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Ýôôåêòèâíîñòü æåëåçà ñîëãàð ðåáåíêó
Çäðàâñòâóéòå. Î×ÅÍÜ õîòåëîñü áû çíàòü ìíåíèå DR. VAD ïî ïîâîäó èçìåíåíèÿ îáùåãî àíàëèçà êðîâè.
Ðåáåíîê 3,5 ãîäà- âåñ 12,3êã, ðîñò- 98. Ðîäû â ñðîê- âåñ 3380, ðîñò 53 ñì, ïî øêàëå- 8\9. Ìàëüàäñîðáöèÿ. â 2 ãîäà- ïîëèâàëåíòãàÿ àëëåðãèÿ ( ãëþòåí, ïøåíèöà, áêì)- âñå èñêëþ÷åíî óæå ãîä. Îáùèé àíàëèç êðîâè: Ëåéêîöèòû-4,7(4-9) ýîçèíîôèëû%-1,3 (0-5) ýîçèíîôèëû-0,1(0-0,45) ãåìàòîêðèò,%-33,2(38-49)!!! ãåìîãëîáèí-109(130-170)!!!! Ëèìôîöèòû%- 56,7(25-40)!!! ëèìôîöèòû-2,7(1,3-4) ñðåä. êîíö. ãåì.â ýð-328(320-370) ãåìîãëîáèí-109(130-170) !!! ñðåä.ñîäåð.ãåì. â ýð.-26,7(27-32)!! ñðåä.îááüåì ýðèòðîöèòà-81,2(84-96)!!! ìîíîöèòû,%-9,3 (3-10) ìîíîöèòû-0,4(0,09-0,8) ñðåäíèé îáüåì òðîìáîöèòà-6,2(5-10) íåéòðîôèëû,%-32,4(30-70) íåéòðîôèëû- 1,5(1,8-7,7)!!! Òðîìáîêðèò, 0,12(0,1-1) Òðîìáîöèòû- 200 (150-400) Ýðèòðîöèòû-4,09 (4-5,9) Øèðèíà ðàñïðåäåëåíèÿ ýðèòðîöèòîâ-11,1%- (10-14,5) Äî ýòîãî àíàëèçà ñäàâàëè êðîâü â äðóãîé ëàá(êîììåð÷), ãåìîãëîáèí áûë 120, ãåìàòîêðèò-33. Æåëåçî- 8,9(6,6-32)- ýòî â ëàá-èè ïðè äåòñêîé áîëüíèöå. Íî â äðóãîé ëàá(êîììåð÷). æåëåçî- 22,9 (9-21)ìêìîëü\ë. . è ïàðàëëåëüíî â ýòîé æå ñûâîðîòêå íåìíîãî ïîâûøåí îáùèé áèëèðóáèí - 22(äî 20)ìêìîëü\ë. Ôåððèòèí â êîììåð÷. ëàá-èè- 14(7-140)ìêã\ë. Ðàçíèöà ìåæäó àíàëèçàìè - 4 äíÿ. Âèäèìî ýòî ñâÿçàíî ñ ïîâûøåííûì áèëèðóáèíîì,êîòîðûé êàê òî âëèÿåò íà ýòîò òåñò â äàííîé ëàá( âû ãäå-òî äàâàëè ññûëêè)). Î÷åíü íðàâèòñÿ æåëåçà áèñãëèöèíàò ñîëãàð,, õîðîøèå îòçûâû. 1. Ìîæíî ëè ðåáåíêó ïðèíèìàòü äàííîå æåëåçî?  êàêîé äîçèðîâêå?? 2. Åñòü ëè ó íåãî æäà? ( êàê òî ïóãàåò ñíèæåíèå ãåìîãëîáèíà, íî ëàáîðàòîðèè ðàçíûå)) ×òî ìîæåò ñëóæèòü ïðè÷èíîé ? Ìàëüàäñîðáöèÿ? 3. 3 íåä íàçàä â êàïðîãðàììå îáíàðóæèëè ñëåäû ñêðûòîé êðîâè ( áûë çàïîð, ðåáåíîê åë ìÿñî, îãðàíè÷åíèé â äèåòå íå áûëî)). Ñòóë íîðìàëüíûé,íî íå íàáèðàåò âåñ...  àíàìíåçå áûë æäà... Çàðàíåå áëàãîäàðíû çà îòâåò äîêòîðó!! |
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Ãåìîãëîáèí ó ðåáåíêà äîëæåí áûòü áîëåå 115, àíåìèÿ èìååòñÿ, äåôèöèò æåëåçà òîæå, ôåððèòèí äîëæåí áûòü áîëåå 25, ñîëãàð ìîæíî ðåáåíêó ïî ïîëîâèíêå â äåíü èëè ïî îäíîé ÷åðåç äåíü, â òå÷åíèå 3...4 ìåñ
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Î÷åíü áëàãîäàðíû âàì çà îòâåò!! áóäåì îáÿçàòåëüíî äàâàòü!!
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Çäðàâñòâóéòå, Dr.Vad. Î÷åíü áû õîòåëîñü âàøèõ ðåêîíäàöèé.
Ðåáåíîê, 3,7 âåñ íà äâííûé ìîìåíò 12300, ðîñò 98. Ïðîïèëè æåëåçî ñîëãàð ïî ïîëîâèíå êàïñóëû åæåäíåâíî â òå÷åíèè 2,5 íåäåëü. Ðåçóëüòàòû: Ëåéêîöèòû-5,6(4-9) ýîçèíîôèëû%-1,2 (0-5) ýîçèíîôèëû-0,1 (0-0,45) ãåìàòîêðèò,%-33,5 (38-49)!!! ãåìîãëîáèí-111 (130-170)!!!! Ëèìôîöèòû%- 52,3 (25-40)!!! ëèìôîöèòû-2,9(1,3-4) ñðåä. êîíö. ãåì.â ýð-331 (320-370) ñðåä.ñîäåðæ.ãåì. â ýðèòð. -27,1(27-32)!!! Ñðåäí.Îáüåì ýðèòðîöèòà- 81,7(84-96)!!!!! ìîíîöèòû,%-8,6 (3-10) ìîíîöèòû-0,5(0,09-0,8) ñðåäíèé îáüåì òðîìáîöèòà-5,6 (5-10) íåéòðîôèëû,%-37,6 (30-70) íåéòðîôèëû- 2,1 (1,8-7,7)!!! Òðîìáîêðèò, 0,11 (0,1-1) Òðîìáîöèòû- 202 (150-400) Ýðèòðîöèòû-4,1 (4-5,9) Øèðèíà ðàñïðåäåëåíèÿ ýðèòðîöèòîâ-11,2%- (10-14,5) Ñîý- 6 Ôåððèòèí- 21,9 (10-90) Áèëèðóáèí îáùèé 25(2-20) áèëèðóáèí ïðÿìîé-4,9(0-7) Ñûâîðîòî÷íîå æåëåçî- 11,28(10-28)  ÿíâàðå ñäàâàëè ýòîò âèòàìèí: Âèòàìèí â12-782(187-883) Ïåäèàòð íàñòàèâàëà íà ïðèåìå ìàëüòîôåðà ïî 25 êàïåëü, ñèðîï. Ïðîïèëè 10 äíåé, ñäàëè àíàëèç. Åäèíñòâåííîå ñäàâàëè â ðàçíûõ ëàáîðàòîðèÿõ ñ ïðåäûäóùèì: Ëåéêîöèòû-5,0(4-9) ýîçèíîôèëû%-1 (0-5) ãåìàòîêðèò,%-34,5 (34-48)- ïîâûñèëñÿ""" ãåìîãëîáèí-108 (120-180)!!!! Ëèìôîöèòû%- 70 (11-49)!!! ñðåä. êîíö. ãåì.â ýð-313 (320-370)- ñíèçèëàñü!!!! ñðåä.ñîäåðæ.ãåì. â ýðèòð. - 27, 0(27-32)!!! Ñðåäí.Îáüåì ýðèòðîöèòà- 86,3 (80-100)- ïîâûñèëñÿ !!!! ìîíîöèòû,%-2 (2-10) ñðåäíèé îáüåì òðîìáîöèòà-6,4 (5-10) íåéòðîôèëû,%-26 (30-70) Òðîìáîêðèò, 0,12 (0,1-1) Òðîìáîöèòû- 200 (150-400) Ýðèòðîöèòû-4,0 (4-5,9) Øèðèíà ðàñïðåäåëåíèÿ ýðèòðîöèòîâ-12%- (10-14,5) Ñîý- 6 Ôåððèòèí- 21,95 (10-90) Áèëèðóáèí îáùèé 21(2-20) áèëèðóáèí ïðÿìîé-5,3(0-3) Ñûâîðîòî÷íîå æåëåçî- 12(6-32) Ùåëî÷íàÿ ôîñôîòàçà 100_(86-315). Âñåãäà íà íèæíåé ãðàíèöå íîðìû, â èíâèòðî- íåìíîãî ñíèæåíà. Ïîëó÷àåòñÿ, ÷òî ïîíÿëîñü ñûâîðîòî÷íîå æåëåçî ñ 9 äî 12,ãåìàòîêðèò ñ 32 äî 34,5,,, ñðåäíèé îáüåì ýðèòðîöèòà ñ 81 äî86,3,, Íî, ñíèçèëàñü ñðåäíÿÿ êîíö.ãåì.â ýðèòðîöèòå ñ 331 äî 313........ Ãåìîãëîáèí âîîáùå íå âûðîñ çà ìåñÿö. Äâóõâàëåíòîíîå æåëåçî äàòü íå ìîæåì, íà íåãî èäåò ðåàêöèÿ æêò. Ìåñÿö íàçàä ðåáåíîê áûë íà äèåòå(ãèïîàëëåðãåííàÿ, íî åæåäíåâíî åë êðîëèêà). Ñ èþíÿ ïðîøëîãî ãîäà èç-çà íåäîñòàòêà âåñà è äèåòå åæåäíåâíî ïèë ãèäðîëèçàò â ñìåñè ïåïòàìåí þíèîð, åå îòìåíèëè ìåñÿö íàçàä. Ýòî êàê ðàçà ñîâïàëî(?????) ñî ñíèæåíèåì ãåìîãëîáèíà. Íà äàííûé ìîìåíò, óæå ìåñÿö ïåðèîäè÷åñêè åñò ïå÷åíü òåëÿ÷üþ, ââîäèì êîçèé òâîðîã. 1.Äîêòîð, ìû íå ïîíèìàåì, ïî÷åìó íå ïîäíèìàåòñÿ ãåìîãëîáèí.??. 2.Êàê åãî ìîæíî ïîäíÿòü? 3. Ïî÷åìó ñíèçèëàñü ñðåä. êîíö. ãåì. â ýðèòðîöèòàõ? 2. Çíàþ, âû ñîâåòóåòå ìèøåê, íî ó íàñ, ñêîðåå âñåãî áóäåò àëëåðãèÿ íà äîáàâêè. Ìíå ìîãóò ïðèâåçòè ïðåïàðàò Ôåððåòàá, òàì ôóìàðàò æåëåçà. (((1 êàïñóëà âêëþ÷àåò 1 ìèíèòàáëåòêó 0,54 ìã ôîëèåâîé êèñëîòû (ñîîòâåòñòâåííî 0,5 ìã ñóõîãî âåùåñòâà) è 3 ìèíèòàáëåòêè 163,56 ìã æåëåçà ôóìàðàòà (ñîîòâåòñòâåííî 50 ìã æåëåçà) – àêòèâíûå 000èíãðåäèåíòû. Ìîæíî ëè åãî??? 4. Ïðèåì êàêîãî ïðåïàðàòà ïðîäîëæèòü: ìàëüòîôåðà, ñîëãàðà? Ìû î÷åíü æäåì âàøå ìíåíèå íà íàøè äàëüíåéøèå äåéñòâèÿ, òóò îò íàñ âñå îòìàõèâàþòñÿ....Ñïàñèáî âàì |
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çà 2 íåäåëè è íè÷åãî íå äîëæíî ïîäíÿòüñÿ - ýôôåêò îò ëå÷åíèÿ îöåíèâàåòñÿ ÷åðåç 4-5 íåäåëü; õîòÿ ïîëîæèòåëüíûå ñäâèãè äîëæíû áûòü çàìåòíû íåçàìóòíåííîìó ðàçóìó, êîòîðûé â ïîðûâå ôîáèé íà ïóñòîì ìåñòå êîëîòèò ïî 3-5 âîïðîñèòåëüíûõ/âîñêëèöàòåëüíûõ çíàêîâ
ãåìîãëîáèí-109 - 111 ñðåä.ñîäåð.ãåì. â ýð.-26,7 - 27,1 Åñëè Âû ñåáÿ òàêæå âåäåòå è â ðåàëüíîé æèçíè, òî ïîíÿòíî, ïî÷åìó "âñå îòìàõèâàþòñÿ"
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Ïðèåì ñîëãàðà áûë 20 äíåé. Íà ýòîì ôîíå æåëåçî ñ ïîäíÿëîñü ñ 9 äî 12. Ôåððèòèí âûðîñ äî 20. Ãåìîãëîáèí ñî 111 óïàë äî 108. Òàêæå ïðîèçîøëî ñíèæåíèå ñðåäíåé êîíöåíòðàöèè ãåìîãëîáèíà â ýðèòðîöèòàõ ñ 331 äî 313.
10 äíåé ìàëüòîôåðà ïî àíàëèçàì íèêàêîãî ñäâèãà íå äàëè. Íàì âåðíóòüñÿ ê ïðèåìó æåëåçà ñîëãàð? |
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ïîïðîáóéòå ïîíÿòü: èçìåíåíèÿ íà ôîíå ïðèåìà íå âèäíî íè çà 20, íè çà 10 äíåé; åñëè ÷åðåç 30-35 äíåé íåïðåðûâíîãî ïðèåìà íå âèäåí ïðèðîñò ãåìîãëîáèíà íà 10% è áîëåå, òî ïðåïàðàò ÍÅ óñâàèâàåòñÿ âíóòðü è ïðîâîäÿò â/â ââåäåíèå; ïðè ëþáûõ âèäàõ ìàëüàáñîðáöèè æåëåçî âíóòðü ÍÅ óñâàèâàåòñÿ èëè óñâàèâàåòñÿ ïëîõî, æåëåçî ñîëãàð ìîæåò óñâàèâàòüñÿ ïðè öåëèàêèè (íî ìîæåò è íå óñâàèâàòüñÿ)
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ÿ ïîíèìàþ. Ïðîñòî ñïðàøèâàþ, èñõîäÿ èç äèíàìèêè, òî ñëåäóåò âåðíóòüñÿ îïÿòü ê æåëåçó ñîëãàð? (( ìû íå çíàåì îñòàâëÿòü ìàëüòîôåð èëè ïðèíèìàòü ñîëãàð))
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ìàëüòîôåð ó 25-30% çäîðîâûõ äåòåé ÍÅ óñâàèâàåòñÿ, åãî âîîáøå ÍÅ íóæíî áûëî íà÷èíàòü
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Äà, çíàþ ýòî. Äóìàëè, ÷òî ýòî íå íàø ñëó÷àé.
À êàê âû îòíîñèòåñü ê æåëåçà ôóìàðàòó (ôåððåòàá)? (1 êàïñóëà âêëþ÷àåò 1 ìèíèòàáëåòêó 0,54 ìã ôîëèåâîé êèñëîòû (ñîîòâåòñòâåííî 0,5 ìã ñóõîãî âåùåñòâà) è 3 ìèíèòàáëåòêè 163,56 ìã æåëåçà ôóìàðàòà (ñîîòâåòñòâåííî 50 ìã æåëåçà) – àêòèâíûå 000èíãðåäèåíòû. Ïåêòèíîâûå ìèøêè åãî ñîäåðæàò(åñëè íå îøèáàþñü)).... Ìîæåò åãî ïîïðîáîâàòü? |
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åñëè îòâåòà íå áóäåò íà æåëåçà áèñãëèöèíàò, âðÿä ëè áóäåò âîîáøå îòâåò íà ÷òî ëèáî
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Èñêðåííå, Âàäèì Âàëåðüåâè÷. |
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Ïîíÿòíî, ñïàñèáî. ó ðåáåíêà äî ãîäà áûëà àíåìèÿ, âûëå÷èëè àêòèôåððèíîì. Âîò ïî ýòîìó êàê âàðèàíò, æåëåçà ôóìàðàò.
À åñëè âíóòðèâåííî ââîäèòü- òî êàêîå ïðåäïî÷òèòåëüíî? |
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òîãäà ïåðåéäèòå íà àêòèôåððèí îïÿòü; äåòÿì íàçíà÷àþò âåíîôåð
children who received IV iron sucrose at a children's hospital between 2004 and 2014 were reviewed. Laboratory markers of anemia and iron studies were obtained and preinfusion and postinfusion values were compared. Records were also reviewed for adverse reactions. A total of 142 patients received IV iron sucrose over 10 years. The mean age was 11 years, 9 months. One patient of 142 developed cough and wheezing during the infusion. No other adverse events were found. --- J Pediatr Hematol Oncol. 2017 Jul;39(5):e259-e262. Intravenous Iron Sucrose for Children With Iron Deficiency Anemia
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íå ìîæåì ïåðåéòè,ïîÿâëÿåòñÿ îòðûæêà, òÿæåñòü â æåëóäêå, áîþñü íà ñëèçèñòóþ ïðÿì âûðàæåííîå îòðèöàòåëüíîå âëèÿíèå.... ïðîäîëæèì ñîëãàð (íåò æå ðàçíèöû : â êàïñóëàõ è òàáëåòêàõ?)((ïðîñòî îøèáëàñü è çàêàçàëà òàáëåòêè......
Âåíîôåð îòëîæèì íà êðàéíèé ñëó÷àé... Ñïàñèáî âàì |
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íåò ðàçíèöû - â êàïñóëàõ ïðîøå ïîäìåøèâàòü ê åäå
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Èñêðåííå, Âàäèì Âàëåðüåâè÷. |