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Ñòåíòèðîâàíèå ñîííûõ àðòåðèé vs êàðîòèäíîé ýíäàòåðýêòîìèè

The Lancet 2006; 368:1239-1247
([Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ]) - íóæíà ðåãèñòðàöèÿ

30 day results from the SPACE trial of stent-protected angioplasty versus carotid endarterectomy in symptomatic patients: a randomised non-inferiority trial

Background
Carotid endarterectomy is effective in stroke prevention for patients with severe symptomatic carotid-artery stenosis, and carotid-artery stenting has been widely used as alternative treatment. Since equivalence or superiority has not been convincingly shown for either treatment, we aimed to compare the two.

Methods
1200 patients with symptomatic carotid-artery stenosis were randomly assigned within 180 days of transient ischaemic attack or moderate stroke (modified Rankin scale score of ≤3) carotid-artery stenting (n=605) or carotid endarterectomy (n=595). The primary endpoint of this hospital-based study was ipsilateral ischaemic stroke or death from time of randomisation to 30 days after the procedure. The non-inferiority margin was defined as less than 2·5% on the basis of an expected event rate of 5%. Analyses were on an intention-to-treat basis. This trial is registered at Current Controlled Trials with the international standard randomised controlled trial number ISRCTN57874028.

Findings
1183 patients were included in the analysis. The rate of death or ipsilateral ischaemic stroke from randomisation to 30 days after the procedure was 6·84% with carotid-artery stenting and 6·34% with carotid endarterectomy (absolute difference 0·51%, 90% CI −1·89% to 2·91%). The one-sided p value for non-inferiority is 0·09.

Interpretation
SPACE failed to prove non-inferiority of carotid-artery stenting compared with carotid endarterectomy for the periprocedural complication rate. The results of this trial do not justify the widespread use in the short-term of carotid-artery stenting for treatment of carotid-artery stenoses. Results at 6–24 months are awaited.

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Ñòàðûé 26.02.2010, 23:02
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Íà American Stroke Association International Stroke Conference 2010 [Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ] ðåçóëüòàòû CREST (Carotid Revascularization Endarterectomy Versus Stenting Trial) - ñàìîãî êðóïíîãî èññëåäîâàíèÿ, ñðàâíèâàâøåãî CAS è CEA äëÿ ïðåäîòâðàùåíèÿ èíñóëüòà ïðè àñèìïòîìíûõ è ñèìòîìàòè÷åñêèõ ñòåíîçàõ êàðîòèäíûõ àðòåðèé.
Öèòàòà:
The study included 1321 symptomatic and 1181 asymptomatic patients from 117 centers in the US and Canada, who were randomized to receive either stenting using the same stent and distal-protection devices (Acculink and Accunet, Abbott Vascular, Redwood City, CA) or carotid endarterectomy. Subjects were 35% female, and only 9.3% were minorities.
Patients with symptomatic stenosis had a >50% stenosis by angiography, >70% by ultrasound, or >70% on computed tomography/magnetic resonance angiography (CT/MRA). Asymptomatic patients had lesions >60% by angiography, >70% by ultrasound, or >80% on CT/MRA.
CAS è CEA ïîêàçàëè ñõîäíûå ðåçóëüòàòû ïî áåçîïàñíîñòè è ýôôåêòèâíîñòè.
Öèòàòà:
On the composite primary end point of any stroke, MI, or death during the periprocedural period or ipsilateral stroke on follow-up, stenting was associated with a 7.2% rate of these events vs 6.8% with surgery, a nonsignificant difference.
However, individual risks varied, they found. At 30 days, the rate of stroke was significantly higher with stenting, at 4.1% vs 2.3% with surgery. Major stroke, though, was not different, at less than 1% in both groups. Conversely, MI was higher with carotid endarterectomy, at 2.3% vs 1.1% with stenting, again a statistically significant difference.
Patients who had an MI, however, reported a better quality of life after recovery than those who had a stroke, the authors noted.
Rates of ipsilateral stroke during a mean follow-up of 2.5 years were equal between groups, at 2.0% for stenting and 2.4% with surgery.
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Published 12 February 2010, doi:10.1136/bmj.c748
Cite this as: BMJ 2010;340:c748

Editorials
Carotid artery stenosis
Carotid artery stenting is not yet ready to replace endarterectomy


Carotid endarterectomy is currently the most effective intervention to prevent stroke in patients with recent symptoms of carotid stenosis.1 2 It also prevents future stroke in younger patients (under 75 years) who have not yet had symptoms, as long as the risk of stroke and death from surgery is not more than 3%.3 4

Patients naturally prefer carotid artery stenting to open surgery, but stenting has not been shown to be acceptably safe in clinical trials. Carotid endarterectomy has been in widespread use for more than 50 years, but carotid artery stenting is a more recent development. In the linked systematic review (doi:10.1136/bmj.c467), Meier and colleagues assessed the short term safety and intermediate term efficacy of carotid endarterectomy versus carotid artery stenting. They found that the short term (30 day) hazards of stroke and death after stenting in recent trials of symptomatic patients have improved but are not yet as good as those seen after surgery.5 In the intermediate term, the two treatments did not differ significantly for stroke or death (hazard ratio 0.90, 95% confidence interval 0.74 to 1.1).

In the most recent trial included in the systematic review, the International Carotid Stenting Study (ICSS), surgery was significantly less likely than stenting to cause stroke, myocardial infarction, or death (5.1% v 8.5%; odds ratio 0.57, 0.39 to 0.85). A subgroup analysis in five centres found more new ischaemic brain lesions after stenting (46% v 14%; odds ratio 5.2, 2.6 to 10.5), and about half of these new lesions were still present on follow-up scanning six weeks later.6

Results from the remaining trial in symptomatic people, CREST (Carotid Revascularisation Endarterectomy versus Stenting Trial) are expected in 2010. An interim systematic review recommends that patients should continue to be stented only within the context of a clinical trial.7

Longer term follow-up (two to 10 years) after successful carotid artery stenting and carotid endarterectomy indicates that the procedures are equally effective in preventing stroke. Arterial restenosis seems to be more likely after stenting, but it is rare to develop associated symptoms.

A learning curve exists for stenting, and a consensus of European stenting specialists reported that experience with at least 150 procedures was needed before the operator could be considered safe. Several earlier trials analysed in this article do not compare like with like—some stenters had very little experience, but surgeons generally had much more. As time has passed, results of stenting have improved and the gap in results has narrowed, but currently it is recommended that only people with experience should perform carotid artery stenting and train others, and that they should do so within the confines of clinical trials.8

Although people who perform stenting are now more experienced and the devices have improved, practical difficulties still make stenting hazardous for symptomatic patients. Emboli from symptomatic plaques are common and "embolic protection devices"—expensive umbrella-like catheter systems—were developed to trap emboli released during stenting and balloon angioplasty. Considerable skill and judgment are needed to pass a catheter beyond the symptomatic plaque and position the device, because more emboli are released until the device is safely in place and open. Despite their name, there is no level 1 evidence that the widespread use of these devices is definitely beneficial. They were optional in the German SPACE trial, where results of carotid artery stenting and carotid endarterectomy were similar, and although they were eventually made compulsory in the French EVA3-S trial, they were not shown to offer any additional stroke protection. It would take a trial of many thousands of patients in whom EPDs could be used to determine whether they were of definite benefit.

As trial data accumulate carotid artery stenting still looks hazardous for symptomatic patients. The attraction of using stents rather than surgery in asymptomatic patients (no symptom, no incision) is obvious, but the balance between early risk and longer term benefit is unclear. For asymptomatic patients undergoing carotid endarterectomy, a procedural risk of stroke or death above 3% would be unacceptable because the longer term net benefit (6% absolute risk reduction for stroke over the next five years) would be lost.3

Worldwide, many more carotid artery stenting and carotid endarterectomy procedures are performed in patients who have not yet had symptoms than on those with symptoms and results from large registries have recently been published suggesting similar short term hazards of procedure related stroke and death (2.9%, 2.4% to 3.4%) in patients under 80 years of age.9 Stenting an asymptomatic plaque might be more appropriate than open surgery, but evidence is needed. The current Asymptomatic Carotid Surgery trial, ACST-2, is comparing stenting and surgery in a randomised trial of at least 5000 patients.10

The natural course of carotid arterial disease is changing, and data from surgical trials of 10-20 years ago may be less relevant today1 2 because aspirin and other antithrombotic drugs are routinely prescribed (especially in symptomatic patients), blood pressure control is better, and lipid lowering treatments are effective. The SPARCL trial and the Cholesterol Treatment Trialists’ Collaboration found that high doses of statins reduced vascular events including ischaemic stroke by around 30%.11 12 Good medical management leads to longer survival, and—although heart attack and stroke are still common causes of death—the remaining risk of stroke may be further reduced by appropriate carotid intervention.

The case for stenting symptomatic carotid stenosis has not been proved, and when intervention by experienced operators is planned and both procedures are feasible, then randomisation between carotid endarterectomy and carotid artery stenting is still ethical. The asymptomatic carotid stenotic plaque may prove more appropriate for stenting, but only time and a large randomised controlled trial will tell.

Cite this as: BMJ 2010;340:c748




A Halliday, professor1, J W Norris, professor emeritus2

1 Department of Vascular Surgery, St George’s Medical School, University of London, London SW17 0RE, 2 Departments of Cardiac and Vascular Sciences and Clinical Neuroscience, St George’s Medical School
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  #7  
Ñòàðûé 26.02.2010, 23:42
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Abugov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAbugov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAbugov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAbugov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAbugov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAbugov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAbugov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAbugov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAbugov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAbugov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAbugov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
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  #8  
Ñòàðûé 27.02.2010, 10:49
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thorn thorn âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
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thorn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåthorn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåthorn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåthorn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåthorn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåthorn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåthorn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåthorn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåthorn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåthorn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåthorn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
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Óìîëÿþ! Óáåäèòå ìåíÿ ñòåíòèðîâàòü ñîííûå! ß î÷åíü õî÷ó! Íî, â íàñòîÿùåå âðåìÿ, íå óâåðåí â ïîëüçå øèðîêîãî ïðèìåíåíèÿ ìåòîäà.
Âîçìîæíî ïîñëå CREST â ãàéäàõ î ñòåíòèðîâàíèè êàðîòèä ïðè ñèìïòîìàòè÷åñêèõ ñòåíîçàõ è íàïèøóò ÷òî-òî òèïà "ïðèåìëåìîé" àëüòåðíàòèâû CEA.
Ñ áåññèìïòîìíûìè ñòåíîçàìè ïîíÿòíî áóäåò ïîñëå çàâåðøåíèÿ TACIT è SPACE 2. ÈÌÕÎ, èìåÿ â CREST áîëüøóþ ÷àñòîòó èíñóëüòîâ çà 30 äíåé ïðè CAS - 4.1% vs 2.3% ïðè CEA ñëîæíî ðàññ÷èòûâàòü íà óñïåõ ñ ó÷åòîì î÷åíü ñêðîìíîé ýôôåêòèâíîñòè ñàìîé êàðîòèäíîé ýíäàðòåðýêòîìèè ïî ñðàâíåíèþ ñ medical treatment (ñíèæåíèå àáñîëþòíîãî ðèñêà âñåãî íà 1% â ãîä çà 3 ãîäà).
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  #9  
Ñòàðûé 27.02.2010, 11:16
Igor73 Igor73 âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
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Igor73 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåIgor73 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåIgor73 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåIgor73 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåIgor73 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåIgor73 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåIgor73 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåIgor73 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåIgor73 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåIgor73 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåIgor73 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
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Ñîîáùåíèå îò Abugov Ïîñìîòðåòü ñîîáùåíèå
Óõ òû! Òîëüêî ñåé÷àñ çàìåòèë, ÷òî ýòî ñîîáùåíèå îò 2006ã. Æàëêî... Âîò ñ Àëåêñîì áûëî èíòåðåñíî ïîáîäàòüñÿ... Ýòî ïðåìüåð-ëèãà...
Íà ôîðóìå î÷åíü íå õâàòàåò Àëåêñà ÌÄ. Íàäî, âèäèìî, ïîäíèìàòüñÿ äî ïðåìüåð-ëèãè, ìîæåò îí è âåðíåòñÿ.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #10  
Ñòàðûé 02.03.2010, 10:02
Igor73 Igor73 âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Âðà÷-ó÷àñòíèê ôîðóìà
      
 
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Igor73 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåIgor73 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåIgor73 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåIgor73 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåIgor73 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåIgor73 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåIgor73 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåIgor73 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåIgor73 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåIgor73 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåIgor73 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
International Carotid Stenting Study (ICSS)

International Carotid Stenting Study (ICSS)
Ñòàòüÿ ïîÿâèëàñü â Lancet. [Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ]
Êîëëåãè, íåò ëè ó êîãî ïîëíîãî òåêñòà? Ñïàñèáî!
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  #11  
Ñòàðûé 02.03.2010, 11:27
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Çàñëóæåííûé ó÷àñòíèê
 
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thorn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåthorn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåthorn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåthorn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåthorn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåthorn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåthorn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåthorn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåthorn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåthorn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåthorn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò Igor73 Ïîñìîòðåòü ñîîáùåíèå
International Carotid Stenting Study (ICSS)
Ñòàòüÿ ïîÿâèëàñü â Lancet. [Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ]
Êîëëåãè, íåò ëè ó êîãî ïîëíîãî òåêñòà? Ñïàñèáî!
Ïå÷àëüíûå äëÿ ñòåíòèðîâàíèÿ ðåçóëüòàòû...
Öèòàòà:
The trial enrolled 1713 patients (stenting group, n=855; endarterectomy group, n=858). Two patients in the stenting group and one in the endarterectomy group withdrew immediately after randomisation, and were not included in the ITT analysis. Between randomisation and 120 days, there were 34 (Kaplan-Meier estimate 4·0%) events of disabling stroke or death in the stenting group compared with 27 (3·2%) events in the endarterectomy group (hazard ratio [HR] 1·28, 95% CI 0·77–2·11). The incidence of stroke, death, or procedural myocardial infarction was 8·5% in the stenting group compared with 5·2% in the endarterectomy group (72 vs 44 events; HR 1·69, 1·16–2·45, p=0·006). Risks of any stroke (65 vs 35 events; HR 1·92, 1·27–2·89) and all-cause death (19 vs seven events; HR 2·76, 1·16–6·56) were higher in the stenting group than in the endarterectomy group. Three procedural myocardial infarctions were recorded in the stenting group, all of which were fatal, compared with four, all non-fatal, in the endarterectomy group. There was one event of cranial nerve palsy in the stenting group compared with 45 in the endarterectomy group. There were also fewer haematomas of any severity in the stenting group than in the endarterectomy group (31 vs 50 events; p=0·0197).
Ñëåäóåò îòìåòèòü, ÷òî protection devices ïðè ñòåíòèðîâàíèè èñïîëüçîâàëèñü òîëüêî â 72% (593 èç 828) + î 27 äàííûõ íåò. È íåïîíÿòíî, îòêóäà 3 ôàòàëüíûõ èíôàðêòà ïðè ñòåíòèðîâàíèè...
[Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ]
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  #12  
Ñòàðûé 03.03.2010, 17:44
Igor73 Igor73 âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Âðà÷-ó÷àñòíèê ôîðóìà
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 17.03.2005
Ãîðîä: Ìîñêâà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 1,195
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 69 ðàç(à) çà 53 ñîîáùåíèé
Igor73 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåIgor73 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåIgor73 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåIgor73 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåIgor73 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåIgor73 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåIgor73 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåIgor73 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåIgor73 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåIgor73 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåIgor73 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò thorn Ïîñìîòðåòü ñîîáùåíèå
Ïå÷àëüíûå äëÿ ñòåíòèðîâàíèÿ ðåçóëüòàòû... Ñëåäóåò îòìåòèòü, ÷òî protection devices ïðè ñòåíòèðîâàíèè èñïîëüçîâàëèñü òîëüêî â 72% (593 èç 828) + î 27 äàííûõ íåò. È íåïîíÿòíî, îòêóäà 3 ôàòàëüíûõ èíôàðêòà ïðè ñòåíòèðîâàíèè...
[Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ]
Ñïàñèáî áîëüøîå çà ññûëêó!
Î÷åíü èíòåðåñíàÿ ðàáîòà, îíè äàæå ñäåëàëè ìåòà-àíàëèç ñâîèõ äàííûõ, EVA-3S è SPACE. Ïîëó÷àåòñÿ, ÷òî êàðîòèäíàÿ ýíäàðòåðýêòîìèÿ (ÊÝÝ) â 1·73 (1·29–2·32) ðàçà ïðåâîñõîäèò êàðîòèäíîå ñòåíòèðîâàíèå ó ñèìïòîìíûõ ïàöèåíòîâ. Èíòåðåñíî áûëî áû äîáàâèòü òóäà åùå äàííûå èññëåäîâàíèÿ CREST.
Íåêîòîðûå ìûñëè:
1. Ìíå êàæåòñÿ, ÷òî â ñâÿçè ñ òàêèìè ïðîòèâîðå÷èâûìè äàííûìè, ðåçóëüòàòû ýòèõ èññëåäîâàíèé áóäóò òðàêòîâàòüñÿ â çàâèñèìîñòè îò æåëàíèÿ áåñåäóþùåãî ñ ïàöèåíòîì âðà÷à: çàõî÷åòñÿ ñäåëàòü ñòåíòèðîâàíèå - CREST, ÊÝÝ - EVA-3S è ICSS. Íàèáîëåå õèòðûå âðà÷è áóäóò öèòèðîâàòü SPACE: õîòèòå ñòåíòèðîâàíèå? Íåò? Òîãäà ÊÝÝ.
2.  èäåàëüíîì, íà ìîé âçãëÿä, âàðèàíòå äëÿ îòâåòà íà âîïðîñ î ðîëè ñòåíòèðîâàíèÿ êàðîòèä ïðè ñèìïòîìíîì êàðîòèäíîì àòåðîñêëåðîçå íåîáõîäèì äèçàéí SAPÐHIRE: ðàíäîìèçàöèÿ â ãðóïïó ñòåíòèðîâàíèÿ èëè ÊÝÝ â ñëó÷àå âûñîêîãî ðèñêà îïåðàòèâíîãî ëå÷åíèÿ (âîçðàñò >80, ÈÌ äî 6 ìåñ, ÔÂ<35%, ïîðàæåíèå ñòâîëà ËÊÀ è ò.ä.).
3. Ìåãà-òðàéë ïî òàêòèêå ó àñèìïòîìíûõ áîëüíûõ (Carotid Endarterectomy Versus Carotid Artery Stenting in Asymptomatic Patients (ACST-2) - [Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ]) íà÷àëñÿ â 2008 è çàêîí÷èòñÿ ïî ïëàíó â 2018 ãã. Åñëè èññëåäîâàíèå íå áóäåò îñòàíîâëåíî äîñðî÷íî, òî ýî áóäåò êðóïíåéøåå ÐÊÈ ïî òàêòèêå ó ïàöèåíòîâ ñ àñèìïòîìíûõ êàðîòèäíûì ñòåíîçîì.
4. Íà ìîé îïÿòü æå êîíñåðâàòèâíûé âçãëÿä, õîòåëîñü áû ñíà÷àëà óáåäèòüñÿ â ïîëüçå àããðåñèâíîé òàêòèêè (ÊÝÝ/ñòåíòèðîâàíèå) íà ñîâðåìåííîì (ñòàòèíû, àñïèðèí, àíòèãèïåðòåíçèâíûå è ò.ä.) ýòàïå ïîëåòà êëèíè÷åñêîé ìûñëè.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #13  
Ñòàðûé 03.03.2010, 18:50
Àâàòàð äëÿ thorn
thorn thorn âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Çàñëóæåííûé ó÷àñòíèê
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 10.04.2003
Ãîðîä: Ìîñêâà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 782
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 15 ðàç(à) çà 15 ñîîáùåíèé
thorn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåthorn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåthorn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåthorn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåthorn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåthorn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåthorn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåthorn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåthorn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåthorn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåthorn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò Igor73 Ïîñìîòðåòü ñîîáùåíèå
 èäåàëüíîì, íà ìîé âçãëÿä, âàðèàíòå äëÿ îòâåòà íà âîïðîñ î ðîëè ñòåíòèðîâàíèÿ êàðîòèä ïðè ñèìïòîìíîì êàðîòèäíîì àòåðîñêëåðîçå íåîáõîäèì äèçàéí SAPÐHIRE: ðàíäîìèçàöèÿ â ãðóïïó ñòåíòèðîâàíèÿ èëè ÊÝÝ â ñëó÷àå âûñîêîãî ðèñêà îïåðàòèâíîãî ëå÷åíèÿ (âîçðàñò >80, ÈÌ äî 6 ìåñ, ÔÂ<35%, ïîðàæåíèå ñòâîëà ËÊÀ è ò.ä.).
Çàáàâíî, ÷òî â CREST êàê ðàç ëó÷øèå ðåçóëüòàòû ïðè ñòåíòèðîâàíèè ïîëó÷èëèñü ó áîëåå ìîëîäûõ...
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #14  
Ñòàðûé 04.03.2010, 22:32
Àâàòàð äëÿ GreyWolf
GreyWolf GreyWolf âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Ó÷àñòíèê ôîðóìà
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 16.04.2009
Ãîðîä: Ðîññèÿ
Ñîîáùåíèé: 163
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 9
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 7 ðàç(à) çà 7 ñîîáùåíèé
GreyWolf ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò îòëè÷íóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Íà ñåãîäíÿøíèé äåíü äàííàÿ òåìà îäíà èç íàèáîëåå ãîðÿ÷î îáñóæäàåìûõ... Õèðóðãè áóäóò ãîðÿ÷î îòñòàèâàòü ñâîè ïîçèöèè, îñîáåííî ïîñëå SAPPHIRE Òåïåðü çà íèìè äîëæîê. À åñëè áåç åõèäñòâà, òî óæå äàâíî ñ÷èòàåòñÿ, ÷òî îïåðèðóþò ñîííûå àðòåðèè òå, êòî ëó÷øå ýòî äåëàåò. Õîðîøèå ðåçóëüòàòû ïðè ÊÝÝÀ - ïîæàëóéñòà, ëó÷øå ïðè ñòåíòèðîâàíèè - íà çäîðîâüå. Íàïðèìåð â íàøåé êëèíèêå îòêðûòîé õèðóðãèè ñîííûõ íåò, è ìû óñïåøíî ýòó íèøó ïîòèõîíüêó çàíèìàåì... Ñòîèò îòìåòèòü, ÷òî â Ðîññèè î÷åíü ñèëüíàÿ øêîëà ñîñóäèñòîé õèðóðãèè ñî ñâîèìè òðàäèöèÿìè è óñòîÿìè, à ïîñåìó ñïîðû áóäóò åùå äîëãî âåñòèñü íà âñåõ êîíãðåññàõ è ôîðóìàõ.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #15  
Ñòàðûé 06.03.2010, 14:38
Àâàòàð äëÿ thorn
thorn thorn âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Çàñëóæåííûé ó÷àñòíèê
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 10.04.2003
Ãîðîä: Ìîñêâà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 782
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 15 ðàç(à) çà 15 ñîîáùåíèé
thorn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåthorn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåthorn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåthorn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåthorn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåthorn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåthorn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåthorn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåthorn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåthorn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåthorn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò GreyWolf Ïîñìîòðåòü ñîîáùåíèå
Õèðóðãè áóäóò ãîðÿ÷î îòñòàèâàòü ñâîè ïîçèöèè, îñîáåííî ïîñëå SAPPHIRE Òåïåðü çà íèìè äîëæîê. À åñëè áåç åõèäñòâà, òî óæå äàâíî ñ÷èòàåòñÿ, ÷òî îïåðèðóþò ñîííûå àðòåðèè òå, êòî ëó÷øå ýòî äåëàåò. Õîðîøèå ðåçóëüòàòû ïðè ÊÝÝÀ - ïîæàëóéñòà, ëó÷øå ïðè ñòåíòèðîâàíèè - íà çäîðîâüå. Íàïðèìåð â íàøåé êëèíèêå îòêðûòîé õèðóðãèè ñîííûõ íåò, è ìû óñïåøíî ýòó íèøó ïîòèõîíüêó çàíèìàåì..
À êàêîé çà õèðóðãàìè äîëæîê? Ïîñëå ìàëåíüêîãî èññëåäîâàíèÿ SAPPHIRE âñå êðóïíûå òðàéëû íå â ïîëüçó ñòåíòèðîâàíèÿ êàðîòèä. Îá ýòîì êàê ðàç ýòà âåòêà. Åñëè ó Âàñ â êëèíèêå íå äåëàþò ýíäàðòåðýêòîìèþ, íàâåðíî èìååò ñìûñë íàïðàâëÿòü ïàöèåíòîâ òóäà, ãäå ýòî äåëàþò õîðîøî. Èíòåðåñíî, ÷åì Âû ìîòèâèðóåòå èñïîëüçîâàíèå êàðîòèäíîãî ñòåíòèðîâàíèÿ ó ñâîèõ ïàöèåíòîâ?
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