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Îïöèè òåìû Ïîèñê â ýòîé òåìå Îïöèè ïðîñìîòðà
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Ñòàðûé 27.02.2011, 12:37
Àâàòàð äëÿ AmuRRR
AmuRRR AmuRRR âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Âåòåðàí ôîðóìà
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 25.03.2008
Ãîðîä: Èæåâñê
Ñîîáùåíèé: 2,763
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 142
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 772 ðàç(à) çà 718 ñîîáùåíèé
AmuRRR ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAmuRRR ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAmuRRR ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAmuRRR ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAmuRRR ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAmuRRR ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Î ñôåðîïðèçìàòè÷åñêèõ î÷êàõ

Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò Darina38 Ïîñìîòðåòü ñîîáùåíèå
......................................... Âàæíûì ìîìåíîì ÿâëÿåòñÿ òî, ÷òî ïðè ÷òåíèè è ïèñüìå î÷êè íîñèòü íå íàäî.
Ýòî, ïðîñòèòå, ïî÷åìó? Åñëè ïèñàòü â î÷êàõ, áëèçîðóêîñòè âûðàñòåò?
Èëè ïîòîìó, ÷òî ÷èòàòü-ïèñàòü è òàê, áåç î÷êîâ õîðîøî âèäíî?  ÷¸ì âàæíîñòü ìîìåíòà?
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
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Ñòàðûé 27.02.2011, 20:34
Darina38 Darina38 âíå ôîðóìà
ÂÐÀ×
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 27.11.2007
Ãîðîä: Tashkent
Ñîîáùåíèé: 3,486
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 1,017 ðàç(à) çà 984 ñîîáùåíèé
Çàïèñåé â äíåâíèêå: 1
Darina38 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDarina38 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDarina38 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDarina38 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDarina38 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDarina38 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDarina38 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDarina38 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDarina38 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDarina38 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDarina38 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Óâàæàåìûé Amur, à áèôîêàëüíûå î÷êè çà÷åì äåòêàì ñ ìèîïèåé ïðîïèñûâàþò? Ýòî Âàì, ïðîñòèòå, íå êî ìíå, à â ÏàáÌåä Be more attentively, êîëëåãà.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
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Ñòàðûé 28.02.2011, 01:26
eyedoctor eyedoctor âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Ïîñòîÿííûé ó÷àñòíèê
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 11.06.2010
Ãîðîä: Ìîñêâà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 442
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 25
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 122 ðàç(à) çà 121 ñîîáùåíèé
eyedoctor ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåeyedoctor ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò Darina38 Ïîñìîòðåòü ñîîáùåíèå
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Òðîïèêàìèä òîæå íå èìååò äîêàçàííîé ýôôåêòèâíîñòè
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Òåì íå ìåíåå ýòî øèðîêî ðàñïðîñòðàíåííàÿ ïðàêòèêà.  íåêîòîðûõ ñëó÷àÿõ äàþùàÿ íåáîëüøîé ýôôåêò óìåíüøåíèÿ ñïàçìà àêêîìîäàöèè ïî îêîí÷àíèè êóðñà.

Äî òåõ ïîð ïîêà íå ïðîâåëè ñåðüåçíîå ìóëüòèöåíòðîâîå èññëåäîâàíèå äåéñòâèÿ ïðåïàðàòà "À...." íà ïðîãðåññèðîâàíèå ìèîïèè - åãî äåéñòâèå òàêæå íå èìåëî äîêàçàííîé ýôôåêòèâíîñòè.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
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Ñòàðûé 28.02.2011, 17:05
Àâàòàð äëÿ AmuRRR
AmuRRR AmuRRR âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Âåòåðàí ôîðóìà
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 25.03.2008
Ãîðîä: Èæåâñê
Ñîîáùåíèé: 2,763
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 142
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 772 ðàç(à) çà 718 ñîîáùåíèé
AmuRRR ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAmuRRR ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAmuRRR ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAmuRRR ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAmuRRR ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAmuRRR ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò Darina38 Ïîñìîòðåòü ñîîáùåíèå
Óâàæàåìûé Amur, à áèôîêàëüíûå î÷êè çà÷åì äåòêàì ñ ìèîïèåé ïðîïèñûâàþò? Ýòî Âàì, ïðîñòèòå, íå êî ìíå, à â ÏàáÌåä Be more attentively, êîëëåãà.
Íå çíàþ, çà÷åì ïðîïèñûâàþò. Äåòêàì è òðîïèêàìèä ñ èðèôðèíîì ïðîïèñûâàþò, è áèôîêàëüíûå ñôåðîïðèçìàòè÷åñêèå î÷êè àêàäåìèêà Óòåõèíà, è ýëåêòðîôîðåçàìè ëå÷àò è ò.ä. è ò.ï. - íó è ÷òî.
ÏàáÌÅÄ êîëëåêöèîíèðóåò ñòàòüè, â òîì ÷èñëå è èç ñîâåòñêèõ æóðíàëîâ, â íèõ ÷òî ëè åñòü äîêàçàòåëüñòâà âàæíîñòè íåèñïîëüçîâàíèÿ î÷êîâ äëÿ áëèçè. Ê òîìó æå ìû íå çíàåì íàñêîëüêî ïîëíóþ êîððåêöèþ äàþò î÷êè -1.5 â äàííîì ñëó÷àå, è, âîçìîæíî -1.5 Ä ñîîòâåòñòâóþò íèæíåìó ñåãìåíòó ãèïîòåòè÷åñêèõ áèôîêàëüíûõ î÷êîâ, ò.á. òîïèêñòàðòåð ïèøåò "áëèçîðóêîñòü - 2".

ß ïðåäñòàâèë, êàê ðåá¸íîê, ïðèëåæíî âûïîëíÿÿ âàøó ðåêîìåíäàöèþ, ïîñòîÿííî òî ñíèìàåò, òî íàäåâàåò î÷êè, ïåðåïèñûâàÿ, ê ïðèìåðó, ÷òî òî ñ äîñêè â òåòðàäü â øêîëå.

Äðóãîå äåëî, åñëè åñòü ñòîéêàÿ ñëàáîñòü àêêîìîäàöèè, ïðèâîäÿùàÿ ê äèñêîìôîðòó â î÷êàõ ïðè ðàáîòå âáëèçè, íî ýòî äðóãîé ñëó÷àé. Ò. á. ÷òî íåêîòîðûé äèñêîìôîðò âáëèçè â î÷êàõ â ïåðâîå âðåìÿ èñïûòûâàþò ïî÷òè âñå, êòî íàäåë î÷êè âïåðâûå.
Îñíîâíîé âîïðîñ áûë ïðîñòîé: Åñëè ïèñàòü â î÷êàõ, áëèçîðóêîñòè âûðàñòåò?.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
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Ñòàðûé 28.02.2011, 19:45
Darina38 Darina38 âíå ôîðóìà
ÂÐÀ×
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 27.11.2007
Ãîðîä: Tashkent
Ñîîáùåíèé: 3,486
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 1,017 ðàç(à) çà 984 ñîîáùåíèé
Çàïèñåé â äíåâíèêå: 1
Darina38 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDarina38 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDarina38 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDarina38 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDarina38 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDarina38 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDarina38 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDarina38 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDarina38 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDarina38 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDarina38 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
 îòëè÷èå îò Âàñ ÿ îáðàùàþñü ê Âàì â ñîîòâåòñâèè ñ ýòè÷åñêèìè íîðìàìè îáùåíèÿ. Óâàæàåìûé Amur, îñòàâüòå ñâîè ýìîöèè ïðè ñåáå, íå âìåøèâàéòå ñþäà øàðëàòàíîâ âðîäå Óòåõèíà è áîëüøå, è âíèìàòåëüíåé ÷èòàéòå ðåçóëüòàòû ðàíäîìèçèðîâàííûõ èññëåäîâàíèé(íå ðóññêîÿçû÷íûõ, åñòåñòâåííî).
 äèñêóññèþ ñ Âàìè âòñóïàòü íå íàìåðåíà, òàê êàê îíè âñåãäà ñêó÷íûå è âÿçêèå. Íî âñå æå âûëîæó ñþäà ïàðó ññûëî÷åê, çàìåòüòå íå ðóññêîÿçû÷íûõ.
[Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ]
Randomized trial of effect of bifocal and prismatic bifocal spectacles on myopic progression: two-year results.
Cheng D, Schmid KL, Woo GC, Drobe B.
School of Optometry, Faculty of Health and Vision Improvement Domain, Queensland University ofTechnology, Brisbane, Australia. . [Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ]



[Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ]
Bifocals Fight Myopia Progression in Children
By Crystal Phend, Senior Staff Writer, MedPage Today
Published: January 11, 2010
Reviewed by Zalman S. Agus, MD; Emeritus Professor
University of Pennsylvania School of Medicine and
Dorothy Caputo, MA, RN, BC-ADM, CDE, Nurse Planner
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #6  
Ñòàðûé 01.03.2011, 10:49
eyedoctor eyedoctor âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Ïîñòîÿííûé ó÷àñòíèê
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 11.06.2010
Ãîðîä: Ìîñêâà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 442
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 25
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 122 ðàç(à) çà 121 ñîîáùåíèé
eyedoctor ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåeyedoctor ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò Darina38 Ïîñìîòðåòü ñîîáùåíèå
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[Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ]
Randomized trial of effect of bifocal and prismatic bifocal spectacles on myopic progression: two-year results.
Cheng D, Schmid KL, Woo GC, Drobe B.
School of Optometry, Faculty of Health and Vision Improvement Domain, Queensland University ofTechnology, Brisbane, Australia. . [Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ]



[Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ]
Bifocals Fight Myopia Progression in Children
By Crystal Phend, Senior Staff Writer, MedPage Today
Published: January 11, 2010
Reviewed by Zalman S. Agus, MD; Emeritus Professor
University of Pennsylvania School of Medicine and
Dorothy Caputo, MA, RN, BC-ADM, CDE, Nurse Planner

Óâàæàåìàÿ Darina38!
 ÷åì ïðèíöèïèàëüíàÿ ðàçíèöà ìåæäó Óòåõèíñêèìè ÁÑÏÎ (êîíå÷íî øàðëàòàíñêèìè) è î÷êàìè ïðåäëàãàåìûìè â ïðåäñòàâëåííûõ Âàìè ñòàòüÿõ?
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #7  
Ñòàðûé 01.03.2011, 15:02
Àâàòàð äëÿ AmuRRR
AmuRRR AmuRRR âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Âåòåðàí ôîðóìà
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 25.03.2008
Ãîðîä: Èæåâñê
Ñîîáùåíèé: 2,763
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 142
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 772 ðàç(à) çà 718 ñîîáùåíèé
AmuRRR ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAmuRRR ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAmuRRR ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAmuRRR ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAmuRRR ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAmuRRR ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Ññûëêà íà ïîëíûé òåêñò ïåðâîé ñòàòüè [Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ] .
×èòàåòñÿ êàê ñêàçêà ïðî çîëóøêó, ñòàâøóþ ïðèíöåññîé, ðåçóëüòàòû ïðîñòî çàâîðàæèâàþò,
bifocal lenses can moderately slow myopic progression in children with high rates of myopic progression after 24 months - áèôîêàëû ìîãóò çäÎðîâî çàìåäëèòü ïðîãðåññèðîâàíèå áëèçîðóêîñòè ó äåòåé ñ âûñîêèì óðîâíåì ïðîãðåññèè áëèçîðóêîñòè
[Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ]
[Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ]
Applications to Clinical Practice Bifocal spectacles may be considered for slowing myopic progression in children with an annual progression rate of at least 0.50 D. - Áèôîêàëû ìîãóò ðàññìàòðèâàòüñÿ äëÿ çàìåäëåíèÿ ìèîïè÷åñêîé ïðîãðåññèè ó äåòåé ñ ãîäîâîé ïðîãðåññèåé îò 0.5Ä

åñëè áû íå äåòàëè.
- Äåòåé ïî 40 ñ íåáîëüøèì âî âñåõ 3-õ ãðóïïàõ (êîíòðîëüíàÿ, áèôîêàëû +1.5Ä, áñïî ñ ïðèçìàìè ïî 3.0 îñíîâàíèåì ê íîñó)
- Áàçèðîâàëñÿ ñåé òðàéë íà îäíîé îïòîìåòðè÷åñêîé ïðàêòèêå - Chinese Canadian children were recruited from an optometric practice in Mississauga, Ontario, Canada
- Ìàñêèðîâêè ïðàêòè÷åñêè íåò - The investigator was not masked.
Ðàíî âêëþ÷àòü â ãàéäû.
Ñ äðóãîé ñòîðîíû ïðîèçâîäèòåëè áè è ìóëüòèôîêàëîâ ïîëó÷èëè áû íå òî ÷òî íåïëîõîé, à øèêàðíûé ïîäàðîê. Âîçìîæíî ýòèì îò÷àñòè îáúÿñíÿåòñÿ îïóáëèêîâàíèå íå ãäà íèáóäü, à â Àðõîâàõ Îôòàëüìîëîãèè.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #8  
Ñòàðûé 01.03.2011, 15:09
Àâàòàð äëÿ AmuRRR
AmuRRR AmuRRR âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Âåòåðàí ôîðóìà
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 25.03.2008
Ãîðîä: Èæåâñê
Ñîîáùåíèé: 2,763
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 142
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 772 ðàç(à) çà 718 ñîîáùåíèé
AmuRRR ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAmuRRR ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAmuRRR ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAmuRRR ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAmuRRR ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAmuRRR ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò eyedoctor Ïîñìîòðåòü ñîîáùåíèå
Óâàæàåìàÿ Darina38!
 ÷åì ïðèíöèïèàëüíàÿ ðàçíèöà ìåæäó Óòåõèíñêèìè ÁÑÏÎ (êîíå÷íî øàðëàòàíñêèìè) è î÷êàìè ïðåäëàãàåìûìè â ïðåäñòàâëåííûõ Âàìè ñòàòüÿõ?
bifocal with a near-addition power of +1.50 D and 3 base-in prism in the reading segment of each lens (6 in total). - áèôîêàëû ñ àääèäàöèåé +1.5Ä è ïðèçìàìè ïî 3 Ä îñíîâàíèåì ê íîñó (6 â îáùåì)

Óòåõèíñêèå ÁÑÏÎ îäíîçíà÷íî.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #9  
Ñòàðûé 01.03.2011, 19:42
Darina38 Darina38 âíå ôîðóìà
ÂÐÀ×
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 27.11.2007
Ãîðîä: Tashkent
Ñîîáùåíèé: 3,486
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 1,017 ðàç(à) çà 984 ñîîáùåíèé
Çàïèñåé â äíåâíèêå: 1
Darina38 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDarina38 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDarina38 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDarina38 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDarina38 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDarina38 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDarina38 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDarina38 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDarina38 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDarina38 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDarina38 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò eyedoctor Ïîñìîòðåòü ñîîáùåíèå
Óâàæàåìàÿ Darina38!
 ÷åì ïðèíöèïèàëüíàÿ ðàçíèöà ìåæäó Óòåõèíñêèìè ÁÑÏÎ (êîíå÷íî øàðëàòàíñêèìè) è î÷êàìè ïðåäëàãàåìûìè â ïðåäñòàâëåííûõ Âàìè ñòàòüÿõ?
Óâàæàåìûé eyedoctor! Ïî÷åìó Âàñ òàê èíòåðåñóåò Óòåõèí, êîòîðûé ïðèñâîèë îáùåèçâåñòíûì áèôîêàëüíûì î÷êàì ñâîþ ôàìèëèþ è ïûòàåòñÿ íà ýòîì çàðàáîòàòü?
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #10  
Ñòàðûé 02.03.2011, 01:25
eyedoctor eyedoctor âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Ïîñòîÿííûé ó÷àñòíèê
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 11.06.2010
Ãîðîä: Ìîñêâà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 442
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 25
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 122 ðàç(à) çà 121 ñîîáùåíèé
eyedoctor ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåeyedoctor ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò Darina38 Ïîñìîòðåòü ñîîáùåíèå
Óâàæàåìûé eyedoctor! Ïî÷åìó Âàñ òàê èíòåðåñóåò Óòåõèí, êîòîðûé ïðèñâîèë îáùåèçâåñòíûì áèôîêàëüíûì î÷êàì ñâîþ ôàìèëèþ è ïûòàåòñÿ íà ýòîì çàðàáîòàòü?
Óòåõèí êîíå÷íî íå èìååò âðà÷åáíîãî îáðàçîâàíèÿ, îí êîíå÷íî æå çàðàáàòûâàåò íà ýòîé èäåå. Ìîæåò áûòü èç-çà î÷åðåäåé äåòè ïîïàäàþò ê íåìó ïîçäíîâàòî. Ýòî ïðàâäà êîíå÷íî.
Äà äî Óòåõèíà ñôåðîïðèçìàòè÷åñêàÿ êîððåêöèÿ äëÿ äåòåé ñóùåñòâîâàëà, íî èìåííî îí ñîçäàë äëÿ íåå õîðîøóþ ðåêëàìó, ïðîâåë êàêèå-íèêàêèå èññëåäîâàíèÿ. Òî÷íî òàê æå êàê è äî Ñ.Í. Ôåäîðîâà ñàæàëè ÈÎËû, íî èìåííî ñ åãî èìåíåì ñâÿçàíà ïîïóëÿðèçàöèÿ ýòîãî ìåòîäà êîððåêöèè àôàêèè. Îòå÷åñòâåííàÿ îôèöèàëüíàÿ ìåäèöèíà ìíîãî äåñÿòèëåòèé íå ïðèçíàâàëà çà ÁÑÏÎ ïîëüçû â ïðîôèëàêòèêå áëèçîðóêîñòè, ïîñêîëüêó äå íà Çàïàäå òàêîãî íå äåëàþò. À âîò òåïåðü ñòàòüÿ î ïîëüçå î÷êîâ ïî ñóòè àíàëîãè÷íûõ ÁÑÏÎ ïîÿâëÿåòñÿ â óâàæàåìûõ àíãëîÿçû÷íûõ èçäàíèÿõ. Ñïóñòÿ ÍÅÑÊÎËÜÊÎ ÄÅÑßÒÈËÅÒÈÉ ïîñëå òîãî êàê ýòî áûëî îçâó÷åíî íà ðóññêîì ÿçûêå. Òàê ÷òî Óòåõèí âïîëíå çàñëóæåíî
Öèòàòà:
ïðèñâîèë îáùåèçâåñòíûì áèôîêàëüíûì î÷êàì ñâîþ ôàìèëèþ
À ñîáñòâåííî ñóòü îòâåòà òàêîâà - ñíà÷àëà Âû óòâåðæäàåòå î øàðëàòàíñòâå ã-íà Óòåõèíà, ýòèì ñòàâÿ ïîä ñîìíåíèå âñå åãî ðàçðàáîòêè, à ïîòîì ïðèâîäèòå èíîñòðàííûå ñòàòüè óòâåðæäàþùèå î ïîëüçå ïîëíûõ àíàëîãîâ ÁÑÏÎ, äà åùå è ðåêîìåíäóåòå ïàöèåíòó áèôîêàëû íà îñíîâàíèè ýòèõ æå ñòàòåé. Ãäå ëîãèêà?
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #11  
Ñòàðûé 02.03.2011, 20:22
Darina38 Darina38 âíå ôîðóìà
ÂÐÀ×
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 27.11.2007
Ãîðîä: Tashkent
Ñîîáùåíèé: 3,486
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 1,017 ðàç(à) çà 984 ñîîáùåíèé
Çàïèñåé â äíåâíèêå: 1
Darina38 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDarina38 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDarina38 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDarina38 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDarina38 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDarina38 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDarina38 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDarina38 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDarina38 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDarina38 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDarina38 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Ëîãèêà â òîì, ÷òî áèôîêàëû èçîáðåòåíû íå Óòåõèíûì, è èññëåäîâàíèÿ ïî áèôîêàëàì âåäóòñÿ íà Çàïàäå óæå äàâíî. Íî ÐÊÈ è äîêàçàòåëüíàÿ ìåäèöèíà - ýòî îòíîñèòåëüíî íîâàÿ ìåòîäèêà. À åñëè êàêîé-íèáóäü ÷åëîâåê ïðèñâîèò êîëåñó (êîòîðîå èçîáðåòåíî äàâíûì -äàâíî) ñâîþ ôàìèëèþ Âû òàê æå ðüÿíî áóäåòå åãî çàùèùàòü è ïðîñëàâëÿòü? Íà Çàïàäå î÷åíü ñèëüíû çàêîíû îá àâòîðñòâå. À â ÑÍà - âèäèìî íå î÷åíü. Ïîýòîìó ëþáîé ÷åëîâåê ìîæåò ïðèñâàèâàòü ñâîþ ôàìèëèþ óæå èçâåñòíîìó äàâíî èçîáðåòåíèþ. Âàñ ýòî íå ñìóùàåò è äàæå âïîëíå óñòðàèâàåò, ÿ òàê ïîíèìàþ? Âû íàçíà÷àåòå ñâîèì ïàöèåíòàì îáû÷íûå áèôîêàëû (åñëè åñòü ïîêàçàíèÿ) â îáû÷íîé îïòèêå èëè î÷êè Óòåõèíà?

Êîììåíòàðèè ê ñîîáùåíèþ:
opto_dive îäîáðèë(à): ñëîâà ïðî àâòîðñêèå ïðàâà...
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #12  
Ñòàðûé 03.03.2011, 13:15
Àâàòàð äëÿ AmuRRR
AmuRRR AmuRRR âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Âåòåðàí ôîðóìà
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 25.03.2008
Ãîðîä: Èæåâñê
Ñîîáùåíèé: 2,763
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 142
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 772 ðàç(à) çà 718 ñîîáùåíèé
AmuRRR ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAmuRRR ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAmuRRR ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAmuRRR ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAmuRRR ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAmuRRR ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Ïðåäëàãàþ ðàññìîòðåòü îñíîâíûå âîïðîñû :
- òå æå ëè ýòî, çíàêîìûå íàì ñ ìîëîäîñòè, â ðàññìàòðèâàåìîé ñòàòüå èç Àðõèâîâ ÁÑÏÎ, òîëüêî â ïðîôèëü? Èëè òîëüêî èç ïîëèêàðáîíàòà, èëè ôèðìû Ýññèëîð, èëè â Êàíàäå íà êèòàéñêèõ äåòåé ïî äðóãîìó âîçäåéñòâóþò?
- ñòîèë ëè ðåêîìåíäîâàòü ÁÎ äëÿ ïðèìåíåíèå äåòÿì ñ áëèçîðóêîñòüþ?
íî íå îòâëåêàòüñÿ íà ðàññóæäåíèÿ î ìîðàëüíûõ àñïåêòàõ òåìû àâòîðñêîãî ïðàâà è îöåíêó ïåðñîíàëèé ñîáåñåäíèêîâ è ïðî÷èõ.
"Ìè åãî íå ëþáèì, îí òîæå êóïèë..." (À.Ðàéêèí)
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #13  
Ñòàðûé 03.03.2011, 19:49
Darina38 Darina38 âíå ôîðóìà
ÂÐÀ×
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 27.11.2007
Ãîðîä: Tashkent
Ñîîáùåíèé: 3,486
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 1,017 ðàç(à) çà 984 ñîîáùåíèé
Çàïèñåé â äíåâíèêå: 1
Darina38 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDarina38 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDarina38 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDarina38 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDarina38 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDarina38 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDarina38 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDarina38 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDarina38 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDarina38 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDarina38 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
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Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #14  
Ñòàðûé 27.09.2011, 17:16
Àâàòàð äëÿ AmuRRR
AmuRRR AmuRRR âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Âåòåðàí ôîðóìà
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 25.03.2008
Ãîðîä: Èæåâñê
Ñîîáùåíèé: 2,763
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 142
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 772 ðàç(à) çà 718 ñîîáùåíèé
AmuRRR ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAmuRRR ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAmuRRR ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAmuRRR ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAmuRRR ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAmuRRR ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
 ðàçâèòèå òåìû ñâåæåíüêîå îò êèòàéöåâ:




Surv Ophthalmol. 2011 Sep-Oct;56(5):451-60. Epub 2011 Aug 2.

Multifocal Versus Single Vision Lenses Intervention to Slow Progression of Myopia in School-age Children: A Meta-analysis.

Li SM, Ji YZ, Wu SS, Zhan SY, Wang B, Liu LR, Li SY, Wang NL, Wang JJ.


Source

Department of Epidemiology and Health Statistics, Peking University School of Public Health, Beijing, China; Beijing Tongren Eye Center, Beijing Tongren Hospital, Capital Medical University, Beijing, China.


Abstract

Myopia in school-aged children is a major public health problem in Asians that has been extensively studied. Multifocal lenses (MLs) are advocated as a substitute for single vision lenses (SVLs) to slow myopia progression in children, but results vary greatly across studies. We systematically searched currently available randomized controlled trials that compared the effects of MLs and SVLs in children. A meta-analysis of nine of these trials showed that MLs with powers ranging from +1.50 to +2.00D were associated with a statistically significantly decrease in myopia progression in school-aged children compared with SVLs. The benefit was greater in children with a higher level of myopia at baseline and sustained for a minimum of 24 months. Asian children appeared to have greater benefit from intervention with MLs than white children.

Êðàòêîå ñîäåðæàíèå - ñèñòåìàòåçèðîâàííî øåðñòèëè äîñòóïíûå ðêè, íàøëè øåñòü äîñòîâåðíûõ, àíàëèç ïîêàçàë, ÷òî ìóëüòèôîêàëû ñ àääèäàöèåé îò 1.5 äî 2.0 ñâÿçàíû ñî ñòàòèñòè÷åñêè äîñòîâåðíûì çíà÷èòåëüíûì ñíèæåíèåì ðîñòà áëèçîðóêîñòè ó øêîëüíèêîâ ïî ñðàâíåíèþ ñ îäíîôîêàëüíîé êîððåêöèåé, ñ áîëüøèì ýôôåêòîì ìóëüòèôîêàëîâ ó àçèàòñêèõ äåòåé ïî ñðàâíåíèþ ñ áåëûìè, è áîëüøèì ýôôåêòîì ó èçíà÷àëüíî áîëåå ìèîïèçèðîâàíûõ äåòåé.

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