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Ñòàðûé 19.04.2009, 17:42
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Melnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Scurfy

Óâàæàåìàÿ äîêòîð Nata k!
íå ìîãó íàéòè êàíîíè÷åñêèé ðóññêèé ïåðåâîä íàçâàíèÿ ãåíà Scurfy - ñ ÷åãî åãî òàê íàçâàëè? ( ðå÷ü èäåò î ìîíîãåííûõ ôîðìàõ äèàáåòà, ïîêà çàñòðÿâøèõ â òèïå 1 )
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nata-k ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìånata-k ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìånata-k ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìånata-k ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìånata-k ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìånata-k ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìånata-k ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìånata-k ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìånata-k ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìånata-k ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìånata-k ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Ãàëèíà Àôàíàñüåâíà, ÿ íå "â òåìå" Òàê ÷òî, íå óâåðåíà, ïîíÿëà ëè âîïðîñ. Íî ïîïðîáóþ êîå-÷òî ñêàçàòü.

Íàçâàíèÿ ãåíîâ íå äîëæíû ïåðåâîäèòüñÿ. Ó îäíîãî ãåíà ìîæåò áûòü íåñêîëüêî ñèíîíèìîâ, íå ãîâîðÿ óæå î íàçâàíèÿõ îòäåëüíûõ àëëåëåé.

Scurfy ýòî, ñêîðåå, íàçâàíèå ôåíîòèïà ìûøåé [Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ]
Öèòàòà:
The X chromosome-linked scurfy (sf) mutant of the mouse is recognized by the scaliness of the skin from which the name is derived and results in death of affected males at about 3-4 weeks of age.
Òàê îáû÷íî áûâàåò, íàéäóò ìóòàíòà, íàçîâóò åãî ïî âíåøíèì ïðîÿâëåíèÿì. Íî íà ýòîì ïåðâîì ýòàïå ñîâñåì íå èçâåñòíî â êàêîì èìåííî ãåíå ìóòàöèÿ. Ïîòîì íàõîäÿò ãåíû-êàíäèäàòû, ó êîòîðûõ óæå åñòü ñâîè íàçâàíèÿ. È ïîëó÷àåòñÿ äâîéñòâåííîñòü.

Ó ÷åëîâåêà ãåíà Scurfy íåò. Âî âñÿêîì ñëó÷àå îá ýòîì ãîâîðÿò áàçû äàííûõ [Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ] [Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ] Åñòü íåñêîëüêî ãîìîëîãîâ ãåíà ìûøè Scurfy.

Îäíî èç öåííûõ ïîñëåäñòâèé èññëåäîâàíèé íà ìîäåëüíûõ îáúåêòàõ - âîçìîæíîñòü âûéòè íà ãåíû -ãîìîëîãè ÷åëîâåêà. Òóò, êàæåòñÿ, îïèñàí òàêîé ïóòü îá Scurfy [Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ]

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Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
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Ñòàðûé 20.04.2009, 07:54
Àâàòàð äëÿ Melnichenko
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Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 26.07.2001
Ãîðîä: Ìîñêâà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 117,561
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 26
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 33,723 ðàç(à) çà 32,796 ñîîáùåíèé
Melnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Ñïàñèáî , ÿ íè â êîåì ñëó÷àå íå õîòåëà åãî ïåðåâåñòè â ÷èñòîì âèäå - ïðîñòî â Óèëüÿìñå ïîÿâèëñÿ ýòîò ðàçäåë , è â ðóññêîì ïåðåâîäå ïåðåâîä÷êè ïðåäëîæèë ïåðåâîä â ñêîáêàõ - îòñþäà è ìîé âîïðîñ, ñêîðåå îá èñòîðèè - ÷òî èìåëè â âèäó,îñîáîå ñïàñèáî çà èíôîðìàöèþ î ÷åëîâåêå - åùå ðàç ïåðå÷èòàþ àáçàö .

Ñïàñèáî !
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Ñòàðûé 20.04.2009, 09:31
Àâàòàð äëÿ Melnichenko
Melnichenko Melnichenko âíå ôîðóìà
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Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 26.07.2001
Ãîðîä: Ìîñêâà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 117,561
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 26
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 33,723 ðàç(à) çà 32,796 ñîîáùåíèé
Melnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
X-ñöåïëåííûé, äèàáåò, ãèïîòèðåîç, èììóííûé äåôèöèò, ýíòåðîïàòèÿ,
àòîïè÷åñêèé äåðìàòèò è ïð. - âîò òîò ðàçäåë , ñ êîòîðûì ÿ ìó÷àþñü
Óèëüÿìñ ïîìèíàë ìûøåé ñ èõ ãåíîì, à ìóäðûé ïðîô Òþëüïàêîâ ÀÍ ñîîáùèë , ÷òî ó ÷åëîâåêà ýòî ìóòàöèè â FOXP3
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nata-k ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìånata-k ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìånata-k ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìånata-k ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìånata-k ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìånata-k ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìånata-k ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìånata-k ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìånata-k ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìånata-k ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìånata-k ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Òî åñòü, ïåðåâîä÷èêè ïûòàëèñü èìåííî ïåðåâåñòè íàçâàíèå ãåíà? Èëè ïðîñòî äàòü ïåðåâîä ñëîâà scurfy?

Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò Melnichenko Ïîñìîòðåòü ñîîáùåíèå
Óèëüÿìñ ïîìèíàë ìûøåé ñ èõ ãåíîì, à ìóäðûé ïðîô Òþëüïàêîâ ÀÍ ñîîáùèë , ÷òî ó ÷åëîâåêà ýòî ìóòàöèè â FOXP3
×åëîâå÷åñêèé FOXP3 ýòî ãîìîëîã ìûøèíîãî Scurfy. È ÿ òàê ïîíèìàþ, ÷òî áåç óïîìèíàíèÿ ìûøåé ïîêà íå îáîéòèñü, ïîñêîëüêî ïðî Scurfy èçâåñòíî áîëüøå, ÷åì ïðî FOXP3. À ïîñêîëüêó ÿñíî, ÷òî FOXP3 èìååò ïëåéîòðîïíîå äåéñòâèå, òî èçó÷àòü åãî ñëîæíåå.

Öèòàòà:
EntrezGene summary for FOXP3:
The protein encoded by this gene is a member of the forkhead/winged-helix family of transcriptional regulators. Defects in this gene are the cause of immunodeficiency polyendocrinopathy, enteropathy, X-linked syndrome (IPEX), also known as X-linked autoimmunity-immunodeficiency syndrome. Alternatively spliced transcript variants encoding different isoforms have been
identified.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
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Ñòàðûé 20.04.2009, 14:50
Àâàòàð äëÿ Melnichenko
Melnichenko Melnichenko âíå ôîðóìà
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Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 26.07.2001
Ãîðîä: Ìîñêâà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 117,561
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 26
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 33,723 ðàç(à) çà 32,796 ñîîáùåíèé
Melnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Ïðåâîä÷èê ïðåäëîæèë â çàãîëîâêå ïîäðàçäåëà ( ãäå ó Âèëüÿìñà áûëî Õ- ñöåïëåííûé äèàáåò è ïð ( ãåí Scurfy ) â ñêîáêàõ íàïèñàòü ñëîâî øåðîõîâàòûé ( ê ãåíó )
Ýòî ìåíÿ óäèâèëî è íàñòîðîæèëî
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Ñòàðûé 20.04.2009, 14:59
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