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Îïöèè òåìû Ïîèñê â ýòîé òåìå Îïöèè ïðîñìîòðà
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Ñòàðûé 15.06.2009, 21:47
Lyuda_Garshina Lyuda_Garshina âíå ôîðóìà Ïîë æåíñêèé
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Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 15.06.2009
Ñîîáùåíèé: 1
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îòåê íîãè ïîñëå ïåðåëîìà øåéêè áåäðà

Çäðàâñòâóéòå! Âïåðâûå íà ôîðóìå. Îáðàùàþñü ñ ïðîñüáîé ê êîìïåòåíòíûì ëþäÿì: ïîñîâåòóéòå, êàê ñíÿòü ñèëüíûé îòåê âñåé íîãè ïîñëå ïåðåëîìà øåéêè áåäðà. Ïåðåëîì áåç ñìåùåíèÿ. 2 ìåñÿöà ìàìà ëåæàëà, ñåé÷àñ íà÷àëà ïîíåìíîãó õîäèòü. Ê âå÷åðó íîãà âñÿ ñèëüíî îòåêàåò è êðàñíååò.
Ñïàñèáî çà âíèìàíèå.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
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Ñòàðûé 15.06.2009, 23:59
Àâàòàð äëÿ AslanE
AslanE AslanE âíå ôîðóìà
ìåäèöèíñêèé ðàçíîðàáî÷èé
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 23.03.2009
Ãîðîä: Còàâðîïîëü
Ñîîáùåíèé: 1,638
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 10
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 368 ðàç(à) çà 361 ñîîáùåíèé
AslanE ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAslanE ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAslanE ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAslanE ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAslanE ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAslanE ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAslanE ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAslanE ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAslanE ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAslanE ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAslanE ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Âû ãîâîðèëè âðà÷ó îá ýòîì? Àíãèîõèðóðã èëè õèðóðã ñìîòðåë åå? Êîãäà íîãà ñòàëà îòåêàòü? Ôîòî íîãè è ðåíòãåíîãðàììû ìîæåòå ïîêàçàòü? Ãäå-íèáóäü áîëèò?
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
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Ñòàðûé 16.06.2009, 07:39
Winer Winer âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
ÂÐÀ×
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 17.04.2008
Ãîðîä: Äîíåöê\Ëèìàí. Óêðàèíà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 2,950
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 778 ðàç(à) çà 771 ñîîáùåíèé
Winer ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåWiner ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåWiner ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåWiner ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåWiner ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåWiner ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåWiner ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåWiner ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåWiner ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Ýòî ïðîÿâëåíèå ñíèæåííîãî òîíóñà âåí èç-çà äîëãî ïîñòåëüíîãî ðåæèìà. Ïîñòåïåííî âñå íîðìàëèçóåòñÿ.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
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Ñòàðûé 16.06.2009, 08:06
Àâàòàð äëÿ Iluhin
Iluhin Iluhin âíå ôîðóìà
ÂÐÀ×
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 24.03.2006
Ãîðîä: Ñàíêò-Ïåòåðáóðã
Ñîîáùåíèé: 5,879
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 9
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 1,327 ðàç(à) çà 1,195 ñîîáùåíèé
Iluhin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåIluhin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåIluhin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåIluhin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåIluhin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåIluhin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåIluhin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåIluhin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåIluhin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåIluhin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåIluhin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Îáÿçàòåëüíî (!) íåîáõîäèìî èñêëþ÷èòü òðîìáîç ãëóáîêèõ âåí. Äëÿ ýòîãî íóæíî âûïîëíèòü óëüòðàçâóêîâîå èññëåäîâàíèå - äóïëåêñíîå ñêàíèðîâàíèå âåí - íèæíèõ êîíå÷íîñòåé. Èññëåäîâàíèå ñëåäóåò ïðîâåñòè â ñðî÷íîì ïîðäêå.
Åñëè èçìåíåíèÿ áóäóò íàéäåíû - íå çàáóäüòå ïðåäîñòàâèòü ïîëíóþ èíôîðìàöèþ ïî ïàöèåíòêå.

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Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #5  
Ñòàðûé 16.06.2009, 21:26
HelgaW HelgaW âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Ó÷àñòíèê ôîðóìà
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 16.03.2009
Ãîðîä: Ìîñêâà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 142
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 3
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 42 ðàç(à) çà 42 ñîîáùåíèé
HelgaW ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê ïîëîæèòåëüíî õàðàêòåðèçóåòñÿ íà ôîðóìå
Ïðè òðàâìàõ íèæíèõ êîíå÷íîñòåé,îñîáåííî ó ïîæèëûõ ïàöèåíòîâ,îáÿçàòåëüíî áèíòîâàíèå ýëàñòè÷íûìè áèíòàìè-îáåèõ íèæíèõ êîíå÷íîñòåé,îò ïàëüöåâ äî ïàõîâûõ ñêëàäîê.Õîäèòü è âîîáùå ñïóñêàòü íîãè ñ êðîâàòè-òîëüêî ïîñëå íàëîæåíèÿ áèíòîâ.
Ïðèñîåäèíÿþñü ê ðåêîìåíäàöèè Iluhin -îáÿçàòåëüíî ïðîèçâåñòè óëüòðàçâóêîâîå àíãèîñêàíèðîâàíèå,äàëüíåéøàÿ òàêòèêà-â çàâèñèìîñòè îò åãî ðåçóëüòàòîâ.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
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Ñòàðûé 17.06.2009, 10:49
alex2006mobile alex2006mobile âíå ôîðóìà
ÂÐÀ×
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 24.04.2006
Ãîðîä: Planet Earth
Ñîîáùåíèé: 12,527
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 4,430 ðàç(à) çà 4,273 ñîîáùåíèé
alex2006mobile ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåalex2006mobile ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåalex2006mobile ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåalex2006mobile ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåalex2006mobile ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåalex2006mobile ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåalex2006mobile ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåalex2006mobile ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåalex2006mobile ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåalex2006mobile ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåalex2006mobile ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò HelgaW Ïîñìîòðåòü ñîîáùåíèå
Ïðè òðàâìàõ íèæíèõ êîíå÷íîñòåé,îñîáåííî ó ïîæèëûõ ïàöèåíòîâ,îáÿçàòåëüíî áèíòîâàíèå ýëàñòè÷íûìè áèíòàìè-îáåèõ íèæíèõ êîíå÷íîñòåé,îò ïàëüöåâ äî ïàõîâûõ ñêëàäîê.Õîäèòü è âîîáùå ñïóñêàòü íîãè ñ êðîâàòè-òîëüêî ïîñëå íàëîæåíèÿ áèíòîâ.
Ýòîò ñîâåò áîëüøå óìåñòåí ïðè âàðèêîçíîì ðàñøèðåíèè âåí. À ïðè òðàâìàõ íèæíèõ êîíå÷íîñòåé ýëàñòè÷åñêàÿ êîìïðåññèÿ ïðîâîäèòñÿ äëÿ ïðîôèëàêòèêè òðîìáîçà ãëóáîêèõ âåí, ïîýòîìó áèíòû íóæíû â ïåðâóþ î÷åðåäü ïðè ëåæàíèè, êîãäà ìûøå÷íàÿ "ïîìïà" íå ðàáîòàåò.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
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Ñòàðûé 17.06.2009, 17:43
Àâàòàð äëÿ Sereda Andrey
Sereda Andrey Sereda Andrey âíå ôîðóìà
òðàâìàòîëîã-îðòîïåä
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 04.04.2006
Ãîðîä: Ìîñêâà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 5,318
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 1,239 ðàç(à) çà 1,137 ñîîáùåíèé
Sereda Andrey ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåSereda Andrey ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåSereda Andrey ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåSereda Andrey ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåSereda Andrey ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåSereda Andrey ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåSereda Andrey ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåSereda Andrey ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåSereda Andrey ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåSereda Andrey ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåSereda Andrey ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò HelgaW Ïîñìîòðåòü ñîîáùåíèå
Ïðè òðàâìàõ íèæíèõ êîíå÷íîñòåé,îñîáåííî ó ïîæèëûõ ïàöèåíòîâ,îáÿçàòåëüíî áèíòîâàíèå ýëàñòè÷íûìè áèíòàìè-îáåèõ íèæíèõ êîíå÷íîñòåé,îò ïàëüöåâ äî ïàõîâûõ ñêëàäîê.
Ìîæíî ïîïðîñèòü âàñ óòî÷íèòü èñòî÷íèê, êîòîðûé ðåêîìåíäóåò ñòîëü âûñîêîå áèíòîâàíèå? Ìû êàê-òî òîëüêî ãîëåíü áèíòóåì. Ñïàñèáî.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
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Ñòàðûé 17.06.2009, 21:13
HelgaW HelgaW âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Ó÷àñòíèê ôîðóìà
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 16.03.2009
Ãîðîä: Ìîñêâà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 142
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 3
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 42 ðàç(à) çà 42 ñîîáùåíèé
HelgaW ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê ïîëîæèòåëüíî õàðàêòåðèçóåòñÿ íà ôîðóìå
Ó÷èòûâàÿ âîçìîæíîñòü îáðàçîâàíèÿ òðîìáîâ íå òîëüêî â âåíàõ ãîëåíè,íî è âûøå(ïîäêîëåííàÿ âåíà,âåíû áåäðà),ñ÷èòàÿ êîíå÷íîñòü åäèíûì àíàòîìî-ôóíêöèîíàëüíûì îáðàçîâàíèåì,àíãèîõèðóãè íàøåé êëèíèêè ðåêîìåíäóþò ïðîèçâîäèòü ýëàñòè÷åñêóþ êîìïðåññèþ âñåé êîíå÷íîñòè.Ðàçóìååòñÿ,"äî ïàõîâîé ñêëàäêè" âûðàæåíèå óñëîâíîå-âñå çàâèñèò îò ðàçìåðà áåäðà-îñîáî îáúåìíûå òîëüêî äî íèæíåé èëè ñðåäíåé òðåòè óäàåòñÿ çàáèíòîâàòü,äàëüøå áèíò ïðîñòî ñêðóòèòñÿ â æãóò...Íî âåäü åñòü åùå è êîìïðåññèîííûé òðèêîòàæ.Ïî ïîâîäó êîíêðåòíûõ ëèòåðàòóðíûõ èñòî÷íèêîâ -ïîñïðàøèâàþ íàøèõ àíãèîõèðóðãîâ ïðè ñëó÷àå.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #9  
Ñòàðûé 17.06.2009, 21:47
Àâàòàð äëÿ Iluhin
Iluhin Iluhin âíå ôîðóìà
ÂÐÀ×
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 24.03.2006
Ãîðîä: Ñàíêò-Ïåòåðáóðã
Ñîîáùåíèé: 5,879
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Iluhin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåIluhin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåIluhin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåIluhin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåIluhin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåIluhin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåIluhin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåIluhin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåIluhin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåIluhin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåIluhin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
ß ïîïðîáóþ íåìíîãî ïðîÿñíèòü ñèòóàöèþ ñ ïîñëåîïåðàöèîííîé êîìïðåññèåé.
 ðåêîìåíäàöèÿõ ÀÑÑÐ 2008 âîïðîñó ìåõàíè÷åñêîé òðîìáîïðîôèëàêòèêè â ïîñëåîïåðàöèîííîì ïåðèîäå îòâîäèòñÿ îòäåëüíûé ïîäðàçäåë. ß ïîçâîëþ ñåáå ïðîöèòèðîâàòü åãî öåëèêîì - îí íå î÷åíü áîëüøîé, íî äàåò ïðåäñòàâëåíèå î ñîâðåìåííîé îöåíêå ðîëè êîìïðåññèè â ïðîôèëàêòèêå ÒÃÂ.
Êñòàòè, çàìåòüòå, ðå÷è î áèíòàõ â ãàéäëàéíàõ íå èäåò, õîòÿ â ïóáëèêàöèÿõ î íèõ èíîãäà ãîâîðèòñÿ. Ýòî ñâÿçàíî ñ íåîáõîäèìîñòüþ ñòàíäàðòèçàöèè êîìïðåññèîííîãî âîçäåéñòâèÿ.
Èòàê (ðàçäåë ïðèâåäåí â ñîêðàùåííîì âèäå):
Öèòàòà:
Prevention of Venous Thromboembolism
American College of Chest Physicians Evidence-Based Clinical Practice Guidelines (8th Edition)


1.4.3 Mechanical Methods of Thromboprophylaxis
Specific mechanical methods of thromboprophylaxis, which include graduated compression stockings (GCS ), intermittent pneumatic compression (IPC) devices, and the venous foot pump (VFP), increase venous outflow and/or reduce stasis within the leg veins... While all three of the mechanical methods of thromboprophylaxis have been shown to reduce the risk of DVT in a number of patient groups, they have been studied much less intensively than anticoagulant-based approaches and they are generally less efficacious than anticoagulant thromboprophylaxis. No mechanical thromboprophylaxis option has been studied in a large enough sample to determine if there is a reduction in the risk of death or PE. Special caution should be exercised when interpreting the reported risk reductions ascribed to mechanical methods of thromboprophylaxis for a number of reasons. First, most trials were not blinded, increasing the chance of diagnostic suspicion bias. Second, in the earlier studies that used fibrinogen leg scanning to screen for DVT, mechanical thromboprophy-laxis may have lowered the 10 to 30% false-positive rate seen with the fibrinogen uptake test (FUT) [caused by venous pooling], while the rate remained unchanged in the nonmechanical treatment/control group. Third, a great variety of mechanical devices are available without any accepted physiologic standards and with minimal comparative data. IPC devices differ with respect to their length (calf only vs calf-plus-thigh), single-chamber vs sequential compression, asymmetric compression vs circumferential compression, and the particular pump parameters (compression/relaxation cycle, cycle duration, pressure generation characteristics). GCS are also heterogeneous with respect to stocking length, ankle pressure, gradients in pressure, and fit. The effects of the specific design features of each of the mechanical devices on the prevention of DVT are unknown. In fact, mechanical thromboprophy-laxis methods do not even have to demonstrate that they provide any protection against VTE in order to be approved and marketed. Although many of these devices have never been assessed in any clinical trial, there is an unsubstantiated assumption that they are all effective and equivalent.

"Âîçäåéñòâèå ñïåöèôè÷åñêèõ ñâîéñòâ êàæäîãî ìåõàíè÷åñêîãî ñðåäñòâà íà ïðîôèëàêòèêó Òàíåèçâåñòíî.  ñóùíîñòè, ìåòîäû ìåõàíè÷åñêîé òðîìáîïðîôèëàêòèêè åùå íå ïîêàçàëè, ÷òî îíè îáåñïå÷èâàþò êàêóþ-ëèáî çàùèòó îò ÒÃÂ, äëÿ òîãî ÷òîáû áûòü îäîáðåííûìè è ïðîäàâàåìûìè. Õîòÿ ìíîãèå èç ýòèõ ñðåäñòâ íèêîãäà íå îöåíèâàëèñü â êàêîì-íèáóäü êëèíè÷åñêîì èññëåäîâàíèè, èìåþòñÿ íåîáîñíîâàííîå äîïóùåíèå, ÷òî îíè âñå ýôôåêòèâíû è ðàâíîöåííû"
.

Öèòàòà:
Because of relatively poor compliance with optimal fitting and use of all mechanical options, they are unlikely to be as effective in routine clinical practice as in research studies where major efforts are made to optimize proper use. Finally, the use of all of the mechanical methods of thromboprophylaxis are associated with substantial costs related to their purchase, storage, and maintenance, as well as to their proper fitting and the intensive strategies required to ensure optimal compliance. In the recommendations that follow, use of mechanical thromboprophylaxis is the preferred option for patients at high risk for bleeding. If the high bleeding risk is temporary, consideration should be given to starting pharmacologic thromboprophylaxis once this risk has decreased. Mechanical thrombo-prophylaxis may also be considered in combination with anticoagulant thromboprophylaxis to improve efficacy in patient groups for which this additive effect has been demonstrated. In all situations where mechanical thromboprophylaxis is used, clinical staff must carefully select the correct size of the devices, must properly apply them, and must ensure optimal compliance (ie, they should be removed for only a short time each day when the patient is actually walking or for bathing). Furthermore, care should be taken to ensure that the devices do not actually impede ambulation.
Recommendations: Mechanical Methods of Thromboprophylaxis
1.4.3.1. We recommend that mechanical methods of thromboprophylaxis be used primarily in patients at high risk of bleeding (Grade 1A), or possibly as an adjunct to anticoagulant-based thromboprophylaxis (Grade 2A).
1.4.3.2. For patients receiving mechanical methods of thromboprophylaxis, we recommend that careful attention be directed toward ensuring the proper use of, and optimal adherence with, these methods (Grade 1A).
Äîáàâëþ, ÷òî êîìïðåññèÿ, êîòîðóþ ñîçäàåò ÷óëîê íà áåäðå î÷åíü ìàëà. Åñëè ìû áèíòóåì íîãó âðó÷íóþ, òî, ôîðìèðóÿ ãðàäèåíò äàâëåíèÿ, ìû òàêæå ñíèçèì åãî íà áåäðå äî ìàëîãî çíà÷åíèÿ.
Êñòàòè, èìåííî ïîýòîìó ïðè "ôëåáîëîãè÷åñêèõ" ìàíèïóëÿöèÿõ ñ áîëüøîé ïîäêîæíîé âåíîé (ÁÏÂ) ìû ëèáî óêëàäûâàåì â ïðîåêöèè ÁÏ âàëèê äëÿ "ýêñöåíòðè÷åñêîé êîìïðåññèè", ëèáî äîïîëíèòåëüíî âðåìåííî áèíòóåì áåäðî ýëàñòè÷íûì áèíòîì - äàæå äëÿ ÷àñòè÷íîé êîìïðåññèè ÁÏ ðàâíîìåðíî öèðêóëÿðíî ðàñïðåäåëåííîãî äàâëåíèÿ íåäîñòàòî÷íî, ÷òî óæ ãîâîðèòü î ãëóáîêèõ âåíàõ.

Òàê ÷òî, ñ ïîçèöèè EBM òðåáîâàíèå ñîçäàòü êîìïðåññèþ äî ïàõîâîé ñêëàäêè çâó÷èò íåóáåäèòåëüíî, ñ ìîåé òî÷êè çðåíèÿ îíî ÷ðåçìåðíî, íî ëîìàòü ïî ýòîìó ïîâîäó êîïüÿ ÿ áû íå ñòàë. Ïðàâäà, ïðèçûâàþ ïîäóìàòü, ÷òî áèíòóÿ íîãó äî ïàõà âðó÷íóþ, ìû ðèñêóåì ñîçäàòü íà áåäðå "óäàâêó" (ñàìè îøèáåìñÿ, áèíò ñäâèíåòñÿ). Áèíòîâàíèå ãîëåíè ïðåäñòàâëÿåòñÿ äîñòàòî÷íîé, áåçîïàñíîé, ïðîñòîé è íå óòîìëÿþùåé áîëüíîãî ïðîöåäóðîé.
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Upd.

Íàòîëêíóëñÿ íà ñèñòåìàòè÷åñêèé îáçîð ðàáîò, ñðàâíèâàþùèõ ýôôåêòèâíîñòü êîìïðåññèîííûõ ãîëüôîâ è ÷óëîê (ò.å. êîìïðåññèþ äî êîëåíà è âûøå) ó îïåðèðîâàííûõ ïàöèåíòîâ è ïðè äëèòåëüíûõ ïåðåëåòàõ.

Öèòàòà:
Eur J Vasc Endovasc Surg. 2006 Dec;32(6):730-6. Epub 2006 Aug 23.
Knee versus thigh length graduated compression stockings for prevention of deep venous thrombosis: a systematic review.
Sajid MS, Tai NR, Goli G, Morris RW, Baker DM, Hamilton G.
Department of Vascular Surgery, Royal Free Hospital and University College Medical School, Royal Free Campus, Pond Street, Hampstead, London, NW3 2QG, UK.
RESULTS: 14 randomized control trials were analysed. Thirty six of 1568 (2.3%) participants randomised to KL stockings developed a deep venous thrombosis, compared with 79 of 1696 (5%) in the TL control/thigh length group. Substantial heterogeneity was observed amongst trials. KL stockings had a significant effect to reduce the incidence of DVT in long haul flight passengers, odds ration 0.08 (95%CI 0.03-0.22). In hospitalised patients KL stockings did not appear to be far worse than TL stockings, odds ratio 1.01 (95%CI 0.35-2.90). For combined passengers and patients, there was a benefit in favour of KL stockings, weighted odds ratio 0.45 (95% CI 0.30-0.68). CONCLUSION: KL graduated stockings can be as effective as TL stockings for the prevention of DVT, whilst offering advantages in terms of patient compliance and cost.
Òàê ÷òî ñâèäåòåëüñòâ î ïðåèìóùåñòâàõ "âûñîêîé" êîìïðåññèè íå èìååòñÿ.
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Õîäèòü è âîîáùå ñïóñêàòü íîãè ñ êðîâàòè-òîëüêî ïîñëå íàëîæåíèÿ áèíòîâ.
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Ãì. Êòî áû îñóæäàë âîîáùå "áèíòîâàíèå... â ñîñòàâå êîìïëåêñà". Ðå÷ü òîëüêî âîò ïðî ýòîò ñîâåò:

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Õîäèòü è âîîáùå ñïóñêàòü íîãè ñ êðîâàòè-òîëüêî ïîñëå íàëîæåíèÿ áèíòîâ
Êàê ðàç âàæíåå â êðîâàòè áûòü â áèíòàõ, à íå ïðè õîäüáå, êîãäà èõ êàê ðàç ìîæíî ñíÿòü. Êàê ïèøóò âûøå, "they should be removed for only a short time each day when the patient is actually walking [...]".
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