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Ôîðóì äëÿ îáùåíèÿ âðà÷åé ïåäèàòðîâ Ôîðóì ïðåäíàçíà÷åí òîëüêî äëÿ îáùåíèÿ âðà÷åé ìåæäó ñîáîé. Âîïðîñû ïàöèåíòîâ çàäàþòñÿ íà ôîðóìå Ïåäèàòðèÿ.

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Îïöèè òåìû Ïîèñê â ýòîé òåìå Îïöèè ïðîñìîòðà
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Ñòàðûé 22.09.2015, 17:08
yevgen03 yevgen03 âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Âðà÷-ó÷àñòíèê ôîðóìà
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 03.08.2010
Ãîðîä: Òâåðü
Ñîîáùåíèé: 67
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 25
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 19 ðàç(à) çà 14 ñîîáùåíèé
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Ïðî ëàêòàçíóþ íåäîñòàòî÷íîñòü

Êîëëåãè, ïðîñòèòå çà äóðàöêèé âîïðîñ. Íî ó ìåíÿ âûøåë ïðîâàë â àðãóìåíòàöèè êëèíèêè ËÍ.
ß âñåãäà ñ÷èòàë, ÷òî îäèí èç îñíîâíûõ åå ñèìïòîìîâ ó ãðóäíè÷êîâ - ýòî íåäîáîð âåñà.
 ðàçãîâîðå îá ýòîì ìåíÿ ïîïðàâèëè, ÷òî íèêàê íà âåñ ËÍ íå âëèÿåò.
ÿ ïåðåðûë ìåä ñàéòû è Íåëüñîíà - è ïðàâäà íå íàøåë è ñëîâà î ïëîõèõ ïðèáàâêàõ.
Âûõîäèò ÿ íå ïðàâ áûë? èëè ìîæåò áûòü åñòü ññûëêà äëÿ àðãóìåíòàöèè?

Êîììåíòàðèè ê ñîîáùåíèþ:
Melodia îäîáðèë(à): õîðîøèé âîïðîñ
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
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Ñòàðûé 22.09.2015, 17:39
Àâàòàð äëÿ Melodia
Melodia Melodia âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Âåòåðàí ôîðóìà
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 02.06.2012
Ãîðîä: Âîëãîãðàä
Ñîîáùåíèé: 3,448
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 32
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 1,859 ðàç(à) çà 1,696 ñîîáùåíèé
Melodia ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelodia ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelodia ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelodia ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelodia ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelodia ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelodia ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelodia ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelodia ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelodia ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelodia ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Çäðàâñòâóéòå, êîëëåãà!
ËÍ ïðîÿâëÿåòñÿ ñèíäðîìîì ìàëüàáñîðáöèè,ò.å.âîäÿíèñòîé îñìîòè÷åñêîé äèàðååé. Äèàðåÿ âåä¸ò çà ñîáîé ýêñèêîç, ãèïîòðîôèþ.
Ïðîùå ãîâîðÿ ëåæèò ó ìåíÿ òàêîé áîëüíîé èìåÿ íóëåâûå èëè îòðèö.ïðèáàâêè. Ñ ëàêòÀçîé òàêîé ðåá¸íîé áûñòðî íàáèðàåò âåñ.
Äðóãîå äåëî,÷òî èíîãäà ëàêòÀçà íå ðàáîòàåò è áåçëàêòîçíàÿ äèåòà íå óëó÷øàåò ñîñòîÿíèå, òîãäà íóæíî ïðîâîäèòü äèô.äèàãíîñòèêó ñ íàñëåäñòâåí.íàðóøåíèÿìè îáìåíà.
ß íåîíàòîëîã è èìåþ äåëî ñ ïåðâè÷íîé ËÍ èëè òðàíçèòîðíîé ó íåäîíîøåííûõ.
 ïðàêòèêå ïåäèàòðà âñòðå÷àåòñÿ ïîçäíÿÿ ôîðìà ËÍ è âòîðè÷íûå, âèäèìî ñ íèìè è âîçíèêëè çàòðóäíåíèÿ.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
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Ñòàðûé 22.09.2015, 18:02
yevgen03 yevgen03 âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Âðà÷-ó÷àñòíèê ôîðóìà
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 03.08.2010
Ãîðîä: Òâåðü
Ñîîáùåíèé: 67
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 25
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 19 ðàç(à) çà 14 ñîîáùåíèé
yevgen03 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò îòëè÷íóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Ñïàñèáî çà áûñòðûé îòâåò!
 òåîðèè ýòî ïîíÿòíî. Íî ÿ â èñòî÷íèêàõ ÿ íå íàøåë ïðî âåñ íè÷åãî.
Íàïðèìåð, ïðè íàðóøåíèè âñàñûâàíèÿ ãàëàêòîçû - îáåçâîæèâàíèå, äèàðåÿ è âåñ íà ïåðâîì ìåñòå, ïðè ËÍ - îïèñûâàþòñÿ òîëüêî ñèìïòîìû, ñâÿçàííûå ñ äèñêîìôîðòîì
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
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Ñòàðûé 22.09.2015, 18:19
Àâàòàð äëÿ Melodia
Melodia Melodia âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Âåòåðàí ôîðóìà
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 02.06.2012
Ãîðîä: Âîëãîãðàä
Ñîîáùåíèé: 3,448
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 32
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 1,859 ðàç(à) çà 1,696 ñîîáùåíèé
Melodia ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelodia ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelodia ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelodia ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelodia ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelodia ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelodia ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelodia ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelodia ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelodia ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelodia ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Åâãåíèé, ñïàñèáî çà ïîñò, ò.ê.çàñòàâèëè ìîçãè øåâåëèòüñÿ è íà÷àòü ðûòüñÿ â ëèòåðàòóðå, îò÷åãî åù¸ áîëüøå çàïóòàëàñü).
Ñêîëüêî âèäåëà ïåðâè÷íîé ËÍ ó íîâîðîæäåííûõ ãèïîòðîôèÿ ïðèñóòñòâîâàëà îáÿçàòåëüíî. Íó, à ê ÷åìó ïðèâîäèò ðâîòà è ïîíîñ ó ÷åëîâåêà? Òåì áîëåå åñëè ýòî íîâîðîæäåííûé?

Âîò,íàïðèìåð
[Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ]

Äðóãîå äåëî âòîðè÷íàÿ ËÍ, çäåñü íå âñ¸ òàê ïðîñòî.
Íàäåþñü, òÿæåëàÿ àðòèëëåðèÿ ïîäêëþ÷èòñÿ è íàñòàâèò íà ïóòü èñòèííûé.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
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Ñòàðûé 22.09.2015, 18:41
Àâàòàð äëÿ Dr.Vad
Dr.Vad Dr.Vad âíå ôîðóìà
Ìîäåðàòîð ôîðóìà ïî ãåìàòîëîãèè
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 16.01.2003
Ãîðîä: Õüþñòîí, Òåõàñ
Ñîîáùåíèé: 80,756
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 33,414 ðàç(à) çà 31,759 ñîîáùåíèé
Dr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
÷òî ïèøóò çäåñü (âûäåëåíî ìíîé):

Primary (or true) lactose intolerance
This extremely rare genetic condition is incompatible with normal life unless there is medical intervention. A truly lactose-intolerant baby would fail to thrive from birth (ie not even start to gain weight) and show obvious symptoms of malabsorption and dehydration.
[Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ]

èëè Cow milk protein intolerance (CMPI) affects 3% of infants under the age of 12 months and is often misdiagnosed as GERD or colic, risking dangerous exposure to antigens...Clinical manifestations of CMPI include diarrhea, bloody stools, vomiting, feeding refusal, eczema, atopic dermatitis, urticaria, angioedema, allergic rhinitis, coughing, wheezing, failure to thrive, and anaphylaxis. [Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ]

èëè âîò òàêàÿ ïóáëèêàöèÿ ïîëóâåêîâîé äàâíîñòè:

West Afr Med J Niger Pract. 1968 Feb;17(1):14-6.
Lactose intolerance in infancy as a cuase for failure to thrive.
Seriki O, Adcock KJ.

êàê ïåðåâîäèòñÿ àíãëèéñêîå failure to thrive (íåäîáîð âåñà/ðîñòà/äð. àíòðîïîìåòðè÷. äàííûõ â êîíêð. ïåðöåíòèëÿõ) ìîæíî ïî÷èòàòü çäåñü [Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ]
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Èñêðåííå,
Âàäèì Âàëåðüåâè÷.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
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Ñòàðûé 22.09.2015, 18:56
Àâàòàð äëÿ Dr.Vad
Dr.Vad Dr.Vad âíå ôîðóìà
Ìîäåðàòîð ôîðóìà ïî ãåìàòîëîãèè
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 16.01.2003
Ãîðîä: Õüþñòîí, Òåõàñ
Ñîîáùåíèé: 80,756
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 33,414 ðàç(à) çà 31,759 ñîîáùåíèé
Dr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
åñëè ãîâîðèòü î íåïåðåíîñèìîñòè êîðîâüåãî ìîëîêà ó ãðóäíè÷êîâ, òî çàìåäëåíèå/îòñóòñòâèå íàáîðà âåñà/ðîñòà íà ôîíå äèàðåè/ðâîòû/ïðîáëåì ñ êîðìëåíèåì ïîçâîëÿåò äèàãíîñòèðîâàòü áîëåå òÿæåëóþ ôîðìó íåïåðåíîñèìîñòè (òîãäà êàê ïðè áîëåå ëåãêèõ ôîðìàõ àíàëîãè÷íûå ÆÊÒ ïðîáëåìû ìåíåå âûðàæåíû è íå âëèÿþò íà íàáîð âåñà/ðîñòà) - àëãîðèòìû/ôèãóðû 1 è 2 ïî ññûëêå:

Guidelines for the diagnosis and management of cow's milk protein allergy in infants
[Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ]

òàì æå â òàáëèöå Alarm symptoms - Gastrointestinal tract: Failure to thrive due to chronic diarrhoea and/or refusal to feed and/or vomiting
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Èñêðåííå,
Âàäèì Âàëåðüåâè÷.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
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Ñòàðûé 22.09.2015, 19:00
Àâàòàð äëÿ Melodia
Melodia Melodia âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Âåòåðàí ôîðóìà
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 02.06.2012
Ãîðîä: Âîëãîãðàä
Ñîîáùåíèé: 3,448
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 32
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 1,859 ðàç(à) çà 1,696 ñîîáùåíèé
Melodia ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelodia ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelodia ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelodia ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelodia ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelodia ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelodia ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelodia ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelodia ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelodia ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelodia ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Âàäèì Âàëåðüåâè÷, çäðàâñòâóéòå!
Ñïàñèáî!
Öèòàòà:
è ïðàâäà íå íàøåë è ñëîâà î ïëîõèõ ïðèáàâêàõ.
íàâåðíîå, ìû ãîâîðèì íåìíîãî î ðàçíûõ âèäàõ ËÍ è î áîëüíûõ ðàçíîãî âîçðàñòà.
Åñëè ýòî ãðóäíè÷îê, êîòîðûé ïèòàåòñÿ òîëüêî ìîëîêîì ìàìû, òî â îòñóòñòâèå ôåðìåíòàè ïðè íàëè÷èè ïîíîñà, ãèïîòðîôèÿ áóäåò, à êàê èíà÷å.
Äðóãîå äåëî ïîçäíÿÿ ËÍ, êîãäà ÷åëîâåê ïèòàåòñÿ íå òîëüêî ìîëîêîì
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #8  
Ñòàðûé 22.09.2015, 19:30
Àâàòàð äëÿ Dr.Vad
Dr.Vad Dr.Vad âíå ôîðóìà
Ìîäåðàòîð ôîðóìà ïî ãåìàòîëîãèè
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 16.01.2003
Ãîðîä: Õüþñòîí, Òåõàñ
Ñîîáùåíèé: 80,756
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 33,414 ðàç(à) çà 31,759 ñîîáùåíèé
Dr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
çäðàâñòâóéòå, Àíàñòàñèÿ!

Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò Melodia Ïîñìîòðåòü ñîîáùåíèå
íàâåðíîå, ìû ãîâîðèì íåìíîãî î ðàçíûõ âèäàõ ËÍ è î áîëüíûõ ðàçíîãî âîçðàñòà.
Åñëè ýòî ãðóäíè÷îê, êîòîðûé ïèòàåòñÿ òîëüêî ìîëîêîì ìàìû, òî â îòñóòñòâèå ôåðìåíòàè ïðè íàëè÷èè ïîíîñà, ãèïîòðîôèÿ áóäåò, à êàê èíà÷å.
òîãäà íóæíî íà÷èíàòü ñ àçîâ:

Hypolactasia, or lactase deficiency, exists in 3 distinct forms: congenital, primary and secondary.

è èìåííî âðîæäåííûé äåôèöèò ïðîÿâëÿåòñÿ íåäîáîðîì âåñà ñ ïåðâûõ ïîïûòîê/äíåé íàêîðìèòü ðåáåíêà:

Congenital lactase deficiency is associated with the least lactase activity. It is a lifelong disorder characterized by failure to thrive and infantile diarrhoea from the first exposure to breast milk. Congenital lactase deficiency is extremely rare, with only around 40 cases having been reported. It is a single autosomal recessive disorder, but very little is known about the molecular basis. The only treatment is complete avoidance of lactose from birth.

ïðàâäà øàíñû åå âñòðåòèòü â òå÷åíèå ñâîåé êàðüåðû ó êîíêðåòíîãî ïåäèàòðà ñòðåìÿòñÿ ê íóëþ, òàê ÷òî Íåëüñîí èëè äð. ïåäèàòðè÷åñêèå ìàíóàëû ÍÅ âêëþ÷àþò ýòè äàííûå â òåêñò, ïîäðîáíåå

2008 Review article: lactose intolerance in clinical practice – myths and realities [Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ]

Ïóáëèêàöèÿ èç ßïîíèè ñïóñòÿ 4 ãîäà óæå áîëåå äåòàëüíî îïèñûâàåò ãåíåòèêó âðîæäåííîãî îòñóòñòâèÿ ëàêòîçû (MIM 223000), õîòÿ òå æå ñèìïòîìû ñèëüíàÿ äèàðåÿ è ïîòåðÿ âåñà (ïðè ðîæäåíèè 3,100 - ÷åðåç 4 äíÿ 2,700) ïðèñóòñòâóþò:

Two novel mutations in the lactase gene in a Japanese infant with congenital lactase deficiency.
[Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ]
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Èñêðåííå,
Âàäèì Âàëåðüåâè÷.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #9  
Ñòàðûé 22.09.2015, 19:45
Àâàòàð äëÿ Dr.Vad
Dr.Vad Dr.Vad âíå ôîðóìà
Ìîäåðàòîð ôîðóìà ïî ãåìàòîëîãèè
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 16.01.2003
Ãîðîä: Õüþñòîí, Òåõàñ
Ñîîáùåíèé: 80,756
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 33,414 ðàç(à) çà 31,759 ñîîáùåíèé
Dr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
åùå îäèí êåéñ èç Ãåðìàíèè î ðåáåíêå ñ âðîæäåííûì äåôèöèòîì îò áëèçêîðîäñòâåííîãî áðàêà òóðåöêèõ ðîäèòåëåé òîæå ïîâåñòâóåò î ïîòåðå âåñà:

The child was born at term with a weight of 3380 g. He developed 12–15 watery stools per day after breast feeding was started. He was admitted to hospital on postnatal day 17 with a weight loss of 14 % as compared to birth weight.

[Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ]

î íåïåðåíîñèìîñòè ëàêòîçû ó âçðîñëûõ (èëè äåôèöèòå ëàêòàçû ó âçðîñëûõ) [Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ]
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Èñêðåííå,
Âàäèì Âàëåðüåâè÷.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #10  
Ñòàðûé 22.09.2015, 22:20
Àâàòàð äëÿ Melodia
Melodia Melodia âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Âåòåðàí ôîðóìà
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 02.06.2012
Ãîðîä: Âîëãîãðàä
Ñîîáùåíèé: 3,448
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 32
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 1,859 ðàç(à) çà 1,696 ñîîáùåíèé
Melodia ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelodia ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelodia ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelodia ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelodia ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelodia ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelodia ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelodia ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelodia ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelodia ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelodia ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Öèòàòà:
Ñêîëüêî âèäåëà ïåðâè÷íîé ËÍ
Ñîáñòâåííî ãîâîðÿ, âèäåëà äâóõ äîíîøåííûõ äåòåé, êîòîðûå áûëè ïåðåâåäåíåíû íà 2îé ýòàï ñ äèàãíîçîì ïðîáëåìû ÃÂ.
 ð/ä äåòè èìåëè îòðèöàòåëüíûå ïðèáàâêè, ïîíîñ, ñðûãèâàíèÿ.  îäåëåíèè 2 äíÿ ìû áåçóñïåøíî ïûòàëèñü íàëàäèòü òåõíèêó ÃÂ, áîëüíûå òåðÿëè âåñ, ïîíîñèëè, áûëè âÿëûìè. Ïîñëå ïåðåâîäà íà áåçëàêòàçíóþ ñìåñü ñèòóàöèÿ ñòàëà íàëàæèâàòüñÿ, ïîÿâèëèñü ïîëîæèòåëüíûå ïðèáàâêè, ñòóë íîðìàëèçîâàëñÿ.
 ïîñëåäóþùåì ïåðåâåëè íà à+ëàêòàçàð è âûïèñàëè ñ ïîëîæèòåëüíîé äèíàìèêîé ñ çàêëþ÷èòåëüíûì äèàãíîçîì ËÍ.
Êàê òî ÿ áûëà óâåðåííà, ÷òî ýòî îíà, óæ áîëüíî ðàçèòåëüíûå ïåðåìåíû ïðîèçîøëè ñ äåòüìè.

Õîòÿ ñåé÷àñ, ïðî÷òÿ
Öèòàòà:
You may have heard about giving drops containing the enzyme lactase to babies who have symptoms of lactose intolerance. There is little evidence that these are of much value when used this way, although there are anecdotal reports that relatively large doses may help in some cases. Lactase drops are designed to be put into expressed breastmilk (or other milk) and left overnight for the enzyme to predigest the lactose in the milk. In practice they seem to be occasionally useful for babies.
ñòàëà ñîìíåâàòüñÿ.
ê ñîæàëåíèþ, ñâÿçè ñ ýòèìè ïàöèåíòàìè íå ïîääåðæèâàëè.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #11  
Ñòàðûé 23.09.2015, 00:05
Àâàòàð äëÿ Dr.Vad
Dr.Vad Dr.Vad âíå ôîðóìà
Ìîäåðàòîð ôîðóìà ïî ãåìàòîëîãèè
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 16.01.2003
Ãîðîä: Õüþñòîí, Òåõàñ
Ñîîáùåíèé: 80,756
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 33,414 ðàç(à) çà 31,759 ñîîáùåíèé
Dr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
äðóãîå áîëåå ÷àñòîå çàáîëåâàíèå, ÷åì àáñ. äåôèöèò ëàêòîçû, ìîæåò äàâàòü ïîõîæóþ êëèí. êàðòèíó, êîòîðàÿ óëó÷øàåòñÿ íà áåçëàêòîçíîé äèåòå - ãàëàêòîçåìèÿ, âîò êåéñ èç Èòàëèè, ãäå åå ñïóòàëè ñ íåïåðåíîñ. êîðîâüåãî ìîëîêà:

A case of galactosemia misdiagnosed as cow’s milk intolerance [Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ]

Êîììåíòàðèè ê ñîîáùåíèþ:
Melodia îäîáðèë(à):
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Èñêðåííå,
Âàäèì Âàëåðüåâè÷.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #12  
Ñòàðûé 23.09.2015, 09:25
yevgen03 yevgen03 âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Âðà÷-ó÷àñòíèê ôîðóìà
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 03.08.2010
Ãîðîä: Òâåðü
Ñîîáùåíèé: 67
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 25
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 19 ðàç(à) çà 14 ñîîáùåíèé
yevgen03 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò îòëè÷íóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Áîëüøîå ñïàñèáî çà ïîìîùü. Çàäàì åùå âîïðîñ: åñëè âåñòè ðå÷ü ïðî âòîðè÷íóþ ËÍ (îíà æå òðàíçèòîðíàÿ, ÿ òàê ïîíÿë), òî ïðè íåé ïîòåðè âåñà íå áóäåò ÷àùå âñåãî. Áóäóò òå æå ïðåñëîâóòûå ÿâëåíèÿ äèñêîìôîðòà è äèàðåè.

Âîò èç ñòàòüè - 2008 Review article: lactose intolerance in clinical practice – myths and realities):
There is some evidence that lactase added to products to render them low in lactose or the use of supplemental lactase can help tolerance but this is not always the case.

Ýòî æå îòíîñèòñÿ íå ê ïåðâè÷íîé ËÍ è çíà÷èò ìîæíî ðàññìàòðèâàòü èñïîëüçîâàíèå òîãî æå ëàêòàçàðà ó äåòåé ñ òàêèìè ñèìïòîìàìè ïðè äîñòàòî÷íûõ ïðèáàâêàõ?
Ïðîñòî ÿ ïðèâûê ïîñëå òîãî, êàê óçíàþ î õîðîøåì âåñå âêëþ÷àòü ÿçûê (óñïîêàèâàòü ðîäèòåëåé) è îòìåòàòü ëþáîå èñïîëüçîâàíèå ëàêòàçû
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #13  
Ñòàðûé 24.09.2015, 15:00
Àâàòàð äëÿ Melodia
Melodia Melodia âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Âåòåðàí ôîðóìà
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 02.06.2012
Ãîðîä: Âîëãîãðàä
Ñîîáùåíèé: 3,448
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 32
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 1,859 ðàç(à) çà 1,696 ñîîáùåíèé
Melodia ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelodia ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelodia ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelodia ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelodia ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelodia ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelodia ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelodia ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelodia ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelodia ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelodia ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Öèòàòà:
åñëè âåñòè ðå÷ü ïðî âòîðè÷íóþ ËÍ (îíà æå òðàíçèòîðíàÿ, ÿ òàê ïîíÿë)
Òðàíçèòîðíàÿ ËÍ õàðàêòåðíà äëÿ íåäîíîøåííûõ, íåêîòîðûå àâòîðû âûäåëÿþò å¸ â îòäåëüíûé âèä ËÍ.

Öèòàòà:
Exists in 4 distinct forms: primary, secondary, congenital, and developmental
[Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ]

Âîò íåïëîõàÿ ñòàòüÿ íà ðóññêîì [Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ]

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