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Ñòàðûé 19.01.2007, 17:06
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thorn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåthorn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåthorn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåthorn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåthorn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåthorn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåthorn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåthorn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåthorn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåthorn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåthorn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Lightbulb CORTICUS

Ïîëó÷èë ñ î÷åðåäíîé ðàññûëêîé [Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ] (âðîäå íóæíà ðåãèñòðàöèÿ)
Öèòàòà:
...Dr. Charles Sprung, of Hadassah Hospital, presented the actual randomized clinical trial (RCT) results from CORTICUS. He humorously started by suggesting that utilization of corticosteroids in the ICU was more a reflection of belief systems than of rigorous clinical trials. It was this long-term controversy that prompted the need for CORTICUS. Again, reminding the audience of recent randomized studies of this question, Dr. Sprung outlined the findings of Annane and colleagues.[3] In persons with refractory shock begun on glucocorticoids and mineralocorticoids within 8 hours, there was a mortality benefit in cortrosyn stimulation-challenged "nonresponders." To confirm and to build on these findings, CORTICUS represented a multicenter, international, double-blind RCT. The primary end point was 28-day all-cause mortality in "nonresponders" (defined as a change of ≤ 9 mcg/dL in cortisol after a 250-mcg cortrosyn stimulation test). Secondary end points dealt with mortality in the entire population, organ failure resolution, and safety. The study was conducted from March 2002 through November 2005 at 52 sites in Europe and the Middle East. The study was designed to enroll 800 patients so that it would have sufficient power to detect a 10% difference in mortality. However, because of difficulty with recruitment, the trial was halted after 500 persons were enrolled. Inclusion criteria included: evidence of infection along with 2 or more SIRS criteria, shock within the prior 72 hours (defined as systolic blood pressure < 90 mm Hg or the need for vasopressors), and signs of hypoperfusion. Patients chronically on corticosteroids, those with advanced directives, immunosuppressed persons, and moribund subjects were excluded.
Initially, participants were given 50 mg of hydrocortisone every 6 hours for 5 days with a tapering dose over the next 6 days. Fludricortisone was not administered.
There were no differences in these baseline characteristics or the severity of illness between the 2 cohorts. For no outcome end point did there appear to be a difference with use of corticosteroids. All-cause mortality was similar between the 2 arms (34% corticosteroids vs 31% placebo). Mortality rates also did not vary based on responder status. However, nonresponders tended to have higher mortality overall. Overall, rates of shock reversal appeared better in those given corticosteroids. This difference was not statistically significant; however, in the subgroup of responders, time to shock reversal appeared faster.
With a note of caution, Dr. Sprung reviewed the safety data. Rates of superinfection were higher in those given corticosteroids (34% vs 27%, P = .099). The frequency of hospital-acquired new sepsis was also higher in those randomized to steroids. Hyperglycemia, not surprising, was also more common on study day 1 in persons treated with corticosteroids.
What explains these findings and why do they differ from earlier trials and meta-analyses?[4] First, Dr. Sprung suggested that compared with the report by Annane and colleagues,[3] those in this study were not as severely ill. The total mortality rate in the Annane trial approached 60% vs 34% in CORTICUS. Similarly, the allowable duration of shock prior to enrollment was shorter in the Annane protocol. Relatedly, perhaps there was some difference due to the withholding of fludricortisone or due to the fact that CORTICUS encouraged physicians to follow current sepsis guidelines.
Whatever the reason, the findings of CORTICUS give pause to those who have advocated more frequent use of corticosteroids in septic shock.[4] Even though it was underpowered, there seems to be no hint of a signal favoring broader use of corticosteroids. Additionally, there may be an indication of harm given the data about superinfection. Further analyses are planned and hopefully these will prove enlightening. Clinicians, nonetheless, must choose if and how to utilize corticosteroids. Hence, restricting their employment to persons who resemble those studied by Annane and colleagues might be the most prudent course as there are clinical trial findings to support this. Broad, routine administration of corticosteroids in severe sepsis and shock seems unwarranted at present.

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Ñòàðûé 21.01.2007, 21:59
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Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò thorn
Broad, routine administration of corticosteroids in severe sepsis and shock seems unwarranted at present.
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Ñòàðûé 02.02.2007, 13:34
Dr. Giggles Dr. Giggles âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
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Dr. Giggles ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. Giggles ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Óâàæàåìûå êîëëåãè! Ïîïûòàþñü çàäàòü âîïðîñ îò îáðàòíîãî - Ãäå âñå åùå îïðàâäàíî ïðèìåíåíèå ãëþêîêîðòèêîèäîâ (ïðèìåíèòåëüíî ê èíòåíñèâíîé òåðàïèè). Ïðè êàêèõ ñîñòîÿíèÿõ òðåáóåòñÿ èõ íàçíà÷åíèå?

 íàøåé ìåñòíîñòè â îáÿçàòåëüíîì ïîðÿäêå íàçíà÷àþò
1. ïðè ñèíäðîìå ñèñòåìíîãî âîñïàëèòåëüíîãî îòâåòà (SIRS) - ìîòèâèðóÿ ýòî ïðîôèëàêòèêîé ðàçâèòèÿ ñåïòè÷åñêîãî øîêà. Ïðè øîêå ñàìî ñîáîé
2. ìàññèâíûõ êðîâîòå÷åíèÿõ â ò.÷. àêóøåðñêèõ - îáîñíîâûâàÿ íàçíà÷åíèÿ áëîêàäîé ôèáðèíîëèçà.
3. Ìåíèíãîêîêêîâûé ñåïñèñ (÷àùå) - ìàëåíüêèå äåòè ñ ñèíäðîìîì Óîòåðõàóñà - Ôðèäåðèêñåíà - çàìåñòèòåëüíàÿ òåðàïèÿ îñòðîé íàäïî÷å÷íèêîâîé íåäîñòàòî÷íîñòè. ÃÊÑ íàçíà÷àþòñÿ è áåç øîêà ïðè ìåíèíãèòå - "ïðîôèëàêòèêà øîêà", "ïðîòèâîîòå÷íàÿ öåëü" â ò.÷. è ïðè ñåðîçíûõ ìåíèíãèòàõ.
4. Íàäïî÷å÷íèêîâàÿ íåäîñòàòî÷íîñòü íåñâÿçàííàÿ ñ èíôåêöèåé - çàìåñòèòåëüíàÿ òåðàïèÿ.
5. Òÿæåëûé âèðóñíûé ãåïàòèò - ôóëüìèíàíòíûé ãåïàòèò - ïîäàâëåíèå âîñïàëåíèÿ, àóòîèììóííîé àãðåññèèè â îòíîøåíèè ãåïàòîöèòîâ.
6. Ðàçëè÷íûå âàðèàíòû íàçíà÷åíèÿ áåç îáîñíîâàíèÿ âîâñå...

Ïîíèìàþ àáñóðäíîñòü è àðõàè÷íîñòü íåêîòîðûõ ïîêàçàíèé, íî âñå æå õîòåëîñü áû óñëûøàòü è Âàøå ìíåíèå!

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Ñòàðûé 02.02.2007, 14:54
Àâàòàð äëÿ thorn
thorn thorn âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Çàñëóæåííûé ó÷àñòíèê
 
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thorn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåthorn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåthorn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåthorn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåthorn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåthorn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåthorn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåthorn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåthorn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåthorn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåthorn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò Dr. Giggles
1. ïðè ñèíäðîìå ñèñòåìíîãî âîñïàëèòåëüíîãî îòâåòà (SIRS) - ìîòèâèðóÿ ýòî ïðîôèëàêòèêîé ðàçâèòèÿ ñåïòè÷åñêîãî øîêà. Ïðè øîêå ñàìî ñîáîé
Îá ýòîì êàê ðàç ðå÷ü â ýòîé âåòêå...
Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò Dr. Giggles
2. ìàññèâíûõ êðîâîòå÷åíèÿõ â ò.÷. àêóøåðñêèõ - îáîñíîâûâàÿ íàçíà÷åíèÿ áëîêàäîé ôèáðèíîëèçà.
Íå çíàþ...
Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò Dr. Giggles
3. Ìåíèíãîêîêêîâûé ñåïñèñ (÷àùå) - ìàëåíüêèå äåòè ñ ñèíäðîìîì Óîòåðõàóñà - Ôðèäåðèêñåíà - çàìåñòèòåëüíàÿ òåðàïèÿ îñòðîé íàäïî÷å÷íèêîâîé íåäîñòàòî÷íîñòè. ÃÊÑ íàçíà÷àþòñÿ è áåç øîêà ïðè ìåíèíãèòå - "ïðîôèëàêòèêà øîêà", "ïðîòèâîîòå÷íàÿ öåëü" â ò.÷. è ïðè ñåðîçíûõ ìåíèíãèòàõ.
Ó âçðîñëûõ ïðè ìåíèíãèòå - îäíîçíà÷íî (ïåðåä èëè âìåñòå ñ ïåðâûì ââåäåíèåì à/á ïî 10 ìã äåêñà 4 ð/ñóò íà 4 äíÿ)... Êàê ðàç ñâåæèé êîêðàíîâñêèé îáçîð â òåìó:
Öèòàòà:
Cochrane Database Syst Rev. 2007 Jan 24;(1):CD004405.

Corticosteroids for acute bacterial meningitis.

van de Beek D, de Gans J, McIntyre P, Prasad K.

BACKGROUND: In experimental studies, the clinical outcome of acute bacterial meningitis has been related to the severity of the inflammatory process in the subarachnoidal space. Treatment with corticosteroids can reduce this inflammatory response and thereby may improve outcome. We conducted a meta-analysis of randomised controlled trials (RCTs) of adjuvant corticosteroids in the treatment of acute bacterial meningitis. OBJECTIVES: We conducted a systematic review examining the efficacy and safety of adjuvant corticosteroid therapy in acute bacterial meningitis. SEARCH STRATEGY: In this updated review, we searched the Cochrane Central Register of Controlled Trials (CENTRAL) (The Cochrane Library Issue 2, 2006); MEDLINE (1966 to July 2006); EMBASE (1974 to June 2006); Current Contents (2001 to June 2006); and reference lists of all articles. We also contacted manufacturers and researchers in the field. SELECTION CRITERIA: Eligible published and non-published RCTs on corticosteroids as adjuvant therapy in acute bacterial meningitis. Patients of any age and in any clinical condition, treated with antibacterial agents and randomised to corticosteroid therapy (or placebo) of any type, could be included. At least case fatality rate or hearing loss had to be recorded for inclusion. DATA COLLECTION AND ANALYSIS: Two review authors independently assessed trial quality and extracted data. Adverse effects were collected from the trials. Additional analyses were performed for children and adults, causative organisms, and low-income and developed countries. MAIN RESULTS: Eighteen studies involving 2750 people were included. Overall, adjuvant corticosteroids were associated with lower case fatality (relative risk (RR) 0.83, 95% CI 0.71 to 0.99), lower rates of severe hearing loss (RR 0.65, 95% CI 0.47 to 0.91) and long-term neurological sequelae (RR 0.67, 95% CI 0.45 to 1.00). In children, corticosteroids reduced severe hearing loss (RR 0.61, 95% CI 0.44 to 0.86). In adults, corticosteroids gave significant protection against death (RR 0.57, 95% CI 0.40 to 0.81) and short-term neurological sequelae (RR 0.42, 95% CI 0.22 to 0.87). Subgroup analysis for causative organisms showed that corticosteroids reduced mortality in patients with meningitis due to Streptococcus pneumoniae (RR 0.59, 95% CI 0.45 to 0.77) and reduced severe hearing loss in children with meningitis due to Haemophilus influenzae (RR 0.37, 95% CI 0.20 to 0.68); subgroup analysis for patients with meningococcal showed a nonsignificant favourable trend in mortality (RR 0.71, 95% CI 0.31 to 1.62). Sub analyses for high-income and low-income countries of the effect of corticosteroids on mortality showed RRs of 0.83 (95% CI 0.52 to 1.05) and 0.87 (95% CI 0.72 to 1.05), respectively. Corticosteroids were protective against short-term neurological sequelae in patients with bacterial meningitis high-income countries (RR 0.56, 95% CI 0.3 to 0.84); in low-income countries this RR was 1.09 (95% CI 0.83 to 1.45). For children with bacterial meningitis admitted in high-income countries, corticosteroids showed a protective effect of on severe hearing loss (RR 0.61, 95% CI 0.41 to 0.90) and favourable point estimates for severe hearing loss associated with non-Haemophilus influenzae meningitis (RR 0.51, 95% CI 0.23 to 1.13) and short-term neurological sequelae (RR 0.72, 95% CI 0.39 to 1.33). For children in low-income countries, the use of corticosteroids was neither associated with benefit nor with harmful effects. Overall, adverse events were not increased significantly with the use of corticosteroids. AUTHORS' CONCLUSIONS: Overall, corticosteroids significantly reduced rates of mortality, severe hearing loss and neurological sequelae. In adults with community-acquired bacterial meningitis, corticosteroid therapy should be administered in conjunction with the first antibiotic dose. In children, data support the use of adjunctive corticosteroids in children in high-income countries. We found no beneficial effect of corticosteroids for children in low-income countries.
Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò Dr. Giggles
4. Íàäïî÷å÷íèêîâàÿ íåäîñòàòî÷íîñòü íåñâÿçàííàÿ ñ èíôåêöèåé - çàìåñòèòåëüíàÿ òåðàïèÿ.
Ýòî âðîäå ïîíÿòíî...
Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò Dr. Giggles
5. Òÿæåëûé âèðóñíûé ãåïàòèò - ôóëüìèíàíòíûé ãåïàòèò - ïîäàâëåíèå âîñïàëåíèÿ, àóòîèììóííîé àãðåññèèè â îòíîøåíèè ãåïàòîöèòîâ.
Íåýôôåêòèâíû, ìîãóò áûòü âðåäíû (êðîìå àóòîèììóííîãî è âðîäå êàê àëêîãîëüíîãî)
Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò Dr. Giggles
6. Ðàçëè÷íûå âàðèàíòû íàçíà÷åíèÿ
Ïíåâìîöèñòíàÿ ïíåâìîíèÿ, òóáåðêóëåçíûé ìåíèíãèò è ò.ä. Íåïëîõîé îáçîð [Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ] Òàì ìîæíî çàðåãèòüñÿ íà free trial è áðàòü ïîëíûé òåêñò â òå÷åíèå íåäåëè... Åñëè ñëîæíîñòè êàêèå - âûøëþ íà ìûëî.
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Ñòàðûé 02.02.2007, 15:23
DmitryTro DmitryTro âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Âðà÷-ó÷àñòíèê ôîðóìà
      
 
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ïóíêò 1 - òîëüêî ïðè ãðàì- (â îñíîâíîì ìåíèíãîêîêêîâîì) øîêå, êàê ïðàâèëî îäíîêðàòíî - ïîäàâëåíèå ñèíòåçà öèòîêèíîâ (ïîä áîëüøèì âîïðîñîì).
ïóíêò 3 ñ íåêîòîðûìè èçìåíåíèÿìè: ïðè ìåíèíãîêîêêîâîì ìåíèíãèòå ó äåòåé - êîðòèêîñòåðîèäû (äåêñàçîí) - ñíèæåíèå ëåòàëüíîñòè, óëó÷øåíèå èñõîäîâ (êðîìå "ïðîôèëàêòèêà øîêà")
ïóíêò 4 - òàê æå
ïóíêò 5 - òàê æå

Îñîáåííî ïîíðàâèëîñü ïðè SIRS - íîâîìîäíîå òâîð÷åñòâî, ãëàâíîå ÷òîáû íà÷àëüñòâî òàêîå íå óâèäåëî.
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Ñòàðûé 02.02.2007, 19:44
Dr. Giggles Dr. Giggles âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Íà÷èíàþùèé ó÷àñòíèê
 
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Ñîîáùåíèé: 81
Dr. Giggles ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. Giggles ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò DmitryTro
Îñîáåííî ïîíðàâèëîñü ïðè SIRS - íîâîìîäíîå òâîð÷åñòâî, ãëàâíîå ÷òîáû íà÷àëüñòâî òàêîå íå óâèäåëî.
Ñïàñèáî çà êîìåíòàðèè. Ìíå òîæå "íðàâèòñÿ", íî ñòàíäàðò àïðóâàí íà÷àëüñòâîì, òàêæå êàê è ïåðèîïåðàöèîííàÿ ñòàðâàöèÿ, êëèçìû è ò.ä.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #7  
Ñòàðûé 02.02.2007, 19:50
Àâàòàð äëÿ thorn
thorn thorn âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Çàñëóæåííûé ó÷àñòíèê
 
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Ãîðîä: Ìîñêâà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 782
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 15 ðàç(à) çà 15 ñîîáùåíèé
thorn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåthorn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåthorn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåthorn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåthorn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåthorn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåthorn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåthorn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåthorn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåthorn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåthorn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò DmitryTro
ñ íåêîòîðûìè èçìåíåíèÿìè: ïðè ìåíèíãîêîêêîâîì ìåíèíãèòå ó äåòåé - êîðòèêîñòåðîèäû (äåêñàçîí) - ñíèæåíèå ëåòàëüíîñòè, óëó÷øåíèå èñõîäîâ (êðîìå "ïðîôèëàêòèêà øîêà")
Èíòåðåñíî, ÷òî èìåííî ïðè ìåíèíãîêîêêîâîì ìåíèíãèòå ïîëüçà îò êîðòèêîñòåðîèäîâ íå î÷åâèäíà.  àíàëèçå ïîäãðóïï â ïðèâåäåííîì âûøå êîêðàíîâñêîì îáçîðå ýòî õîðîøî âèäíî... Ìîæåò âñå äåëî â äîçàõ? Îäíî äåëî ïî 50 ìã ãèäðî 4 ð/ñóò à äðóãîå ïî 10 ìã äåêñà 4 ð/ñóò?
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #8  
Ñòàðûé 02.02.2007, 21:26
Dr. Giggles Dr. Giggles âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Íà÷èíàþùèé ó÷àñòíèê
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 28.07.2005
Ãîðîä: Ðîññèÿ
Ñîîáùåíèé: 81
Dr. Giggles ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. Giggles ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò thorn
Èíòåðåñíî, ÷òî èìåííî ïðè ìåíèíãîêîêêîâîì ìåíèíãèòå ïîëüçà îò êîðòèêîñòåðîèäîâ íå î÷åâèäíà.  àíàëèçå ïîäãðóïï â ïðèâåäåííîì âûøå êîêðàíîâñêîì îáçîðå ýòî õîðîøî âèäíî... Ìîæåò âñå äåëî â äîçàõ? Îäíî äåëî ïî 50 ìã ãèäðî 4 ð/ñóò à äðóãîå ïî 10 ìã äåêñà 4 ð/ñóò?
Ïðîøó ïðîùåíèÿ! Âîïðîñ: Ïî÷åìó æå ïðèìåíåíèå ÃÊÑ ó äåòåé èç ñëàáîðàçâèòûõ (ñ íèçêèìè äîõîäàìè) ñòðàí áåñïîëåçíî, à âûñîêîðàçâèòûõ èõ íàçíà÷àòü ñëåäóåò? Ìîæåò âûáîð àíòèáèîòèêà, äîç?

Ïî ïîâîäó ïðèìåíåíèÿ ÃÊÑ

Öèòàòà:
Corticosteroids in adult
meningitis (see refs)
• Dexamethasone 0.15mg/kg qds for 4 days
started with or just before the first dose of
antibiotics, particularly where
pneumococcal meningitis is suspected
• Do not give unless you are confident you
are using the correct antimicrobials
• Stop the dexamethasone if a non-bacterial
cause is identified
Âçÿòî çäåñü: [Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ]
Ïîëíûé àëãîðèòì ëå÷åáíî-äèàãíîñòè÷åñêèõ ìåðîïðèÿòèé (management) ïðè ïîäîçðåíèè íà áàê ìåíèíãèò è ìåíèíãîêîêêîâûé ñåïñèñ ó âçðîñëûõ
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #9  
Ñòàðûé 21.07.2009, 12:56
zubarew
Ãîñòü
 
Ñîîáùåíèé: n/a
Íîâûé ìåòà-àíàëèç îò Annane ñ êîëëåãàìè îïóáëèêîâàí â íåäàâíåì íîìåðå JAMA. Äàæå íå ñìîòðÿ íà âêëþ÷åíèå â àíàëèç èññëåäîâàíèÿ CORTICUS, îáùèå ðåçóëüòàòû ïîêàçàëè, ÷òî èñïîëüçîâàíèå ïðîäëåííîãî êóðñà íèçêèõ äîç êîðòèêîñòåðîèäîâ ñíèæàëî ëåòàëüíîñòü ó áîëüíûõ ñ òÿæåëûì ñåïñèñîì è ñåïòè÷åñêèì øîêîì.

Öèòàòà:
Context The benefit of corticosteroids in severe sepsis and septic shock remains controversial.

Objective We examined the benefits and risks of corticosteroid treatment in severe sepsis and septic shock and the influence of dose and duration.

Data Sources We searched the CENTRAL, MEDLINE, EMBASE, and LILACS (through March 2009) databases as well as reference lists of articles and proceedings of major meetings, and we contacted trial authors.

Study Selection Randomized and quasi-randomized trials of corticosteroids vs placebo or supportive treatment in adult patients with severe sepsis/septic shock per the American College of Chest Physicians/Society of Critical Care Medicine consensus definition were included.

Data Extraction All reviewers agreed on trial eligibility. One reviewer extracted data, which were checked by the other reviewers and by the trials’ authors whenever possible. Some unpublished data were obtained from the trials’ authors. The primary outcome for this review was 28-day mortality.

Results We identified 17 randomized trials (n=2138) and 3 quasi-randomized trials (n=246) that had acceptable methodological quality to pool in a meta-analysis. Twentyeight-day mortality for treated vs control patients was 388/1099 (35.3%) vs 400/1039 (38.5%) in randomized trials (risk ratio [RR], 0.84; 95% confidence interval [CI], 0.71-1.00; P=.05; I2=53% by random-effects model) and 28/121 (23.1%) vs 24/125 (19.2%) in quasi-randomized trials (RR, 1.05, 95% CI, 0.69-1.58; P=.83). In 12 trials investigating prolonged low-dose corticosteroid treatment, 28-day mortality for treated vs control patients was 236/629 (37.5%) vs 264/599 (44%) (RR, 0.84; 95% CI, 0.72-0.97; P=.02). This treatment increased 28-day shock reversal (6 trials; 322/481 [66.9%] vs 276/471 [58.6%]; RR, 1.12; 95% CI, 1.02-1.23; P=.02; I2=4%) and reduced intensive care unit length of stay by 4.49 days (8 trials; 95% CI, –7.04 to –1.94; P.001; I2=0%) without increasing the risk of gastroduodenal bleeding (13 trials; 65/800 [8.1%] vs 56/764 [7.3%]; P=.50; I2=0%), superinfection (14 trials; 184/998 [18.4%] vs 170/950 [17.9%]; P=.92; I2=8%), or neuromuscular weakness (3 trials; 4/407 [1%] vs 7/404 [1.7%]; P=.58; I2=30%). Corticosteroids increased the risk of hyperglycemia (9 trials; 363/703 [51.6%] vs 308/670 [46%]; P.001; I2=0%) and hypernatremia (3 trials; 127/404 [31.4%] vs 77/401 [19.2%]; P.001; I2=0%).

Conclusions Corticosteroid therapy has been used in varied doses for sepsis and related syndromes for more than 50 years, with no clear benefit on mortality. Since 1998, studies have consistently used prolonged low-dose corticosteroid therapy, and analysis of this subgroup suggests a beneficial drug effect on short-term mortality.
Ðåäàêöèîííûé êîììåíòàðèé â æóðíàëå èìååò õàðàêòåðíîå çíàçâàíèå:
Living With Uncertainty in the Intensive Care Unit. Should Patients With Sepsis Be Treated With Steroids? - È, ïî áîëüøîìó ñ÷åòó íå äàåò îòâåòà íà ýòîò âîïðîñ.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #10  
Ñòàðûé 21.07.2009, 13:39
Àâàòàð äëÿ dmblok
dmblok dmblok âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Êàíäèäàò â âåòåðàíû ôîðóìà
      
 
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Ñîîáùåíèé: 1,827
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Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 67 ðàç(à) çà 62 ñîîáùåíèé
dmblok ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådmblok ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådmblok ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådmblok ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådmblok ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådmblok ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådmblok ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådmblok ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådmblok ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådmblok ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådmblok ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò zubarew Ïîñìîòðåòü ñîîáùåíèå
Íîâûé ìåòà-àíàëèç îò Annane ñ êîëëåãàìè îïóáëèêîâàí â íåäàâíåì íîìåðå JAMA. Äàæå íå ñìîòðÿ íà âêëþ÷åíèå â àíàëèç èññëåäîâàíèÿ CORTICUS, îáùèå ðåçóëüòàòû ïîêàçàëè, ÷òî èñïîëüçîâàíèå ïðîäëåííîãî êóðñà íèçêèõ äîç êîðòèêîñòåðîèäîâ ñíèæàëî ëåòàëüíîñòü ó áîëüíûõ ñ òÿæåëûì ñåïñèñîì è ñåïòè÷åñêèì øîêîì..

Djillali Annane; Eric Bellissant; Pierre-Edouard Bollaert; et al.
Corticosteroids in the Treatment of Severe Sepsis and Septic Shock in Adults: A Systematic Review
JAMA. 2009;301(22):2362-2375

[Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ]


Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò zubarew Ïîñìîòðåòü ñîîáùåíèå
Ðåäàêöèîííûé êîììåíòàðèé â æóðíàëå èìååò õàðàêòåðíîå çíàçâàíèå:
Living With Uncertainty in the Intensive Care Unit. Should Patients With Sepsis Be Treated With Steroids? - È, ïî áîëüøîìó ñ÷åòó íå äàåò îòâåòà íà ýòîò âîïðîñ.

Roman Jaeschke; Derek C. Angus
Living With Uncertainty in the Intensive Care Unit: Should Patients With Sepsis Be Treated With Steroids?
JAMA. 2009;301(22):2388-2390

[Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ]

Êîììåíòàðèè ê ñîîáùåíèþ:
îäîáðèë(à):
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
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Ñòàðûé 09.08.2009, 17:49
zubarew
Ãîñòü
 
Ñîîáùåíèé: n/a
Êîìó èíòåðåñíî, çäåñü âû ìîæåòå ïðî÷èòàòü â ñîêðàùåííîì èçëîæåíèè íà ðóññêîì îáñóæäàåìûé ìåòà-àíàëèç èç æóðíàëà JAMA ( http://www.medmir.com/content/view/2580/64/ )

.. è ðåäàêöèîííóþ ñòàòüþ ê íåé ( http://www.medmir.com/content/view/2581/64/ ).
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