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Îïöèè òåìû Ïîèñê â ýòîé òåìå Îïöèè ïðîñìîòðà
  #16  
Ñòàðûé 05.11.2006, 18:36
Àâàòàð äëÿ tomic
tomic tomic âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Ñåðôåð
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 21.12.2005
Ãîðîä: Óêðàèíà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 9
tomic ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïëîõóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Íå ëå÷èòü,à äîïóñòèìî ïðèìåíåíèå ïðè îñòðîì îòðàëåíèè.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #17  
Ñòàðûé 05.11.2006, 18:38
Àâàòàð äëÿ Melnichenko
Melnichenko Melnichenko âíå ôîðóìà
ÂÐÀ×
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 26.07.2001
Ãîðîä: Ìîñêâà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 117,282
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 26
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 33,625 ðàç(à) çà 32,699 ñîîáùåíèé
Melnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
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Åñëè Âû õîòåëè ñîîáùèòü, ÷òî â ñëó÷àå âåíòðèêóëÿðíîé òàõèêàðäèè èëè ãèïåðòåíçèè âûðàæåííîé ìîæíî îáñóæäàòü, â äîïîëåíèå ê ïåðå5÷èñëåííûì ìåòîäàì ëå÷åíèÿ, åùå è ñèìïòîìàòè÷åñêóþ òåðàïèþ ( òèïîâàÿ ññûëêà íèæå) - ïîæàëóéñòà, ìîæíî îáñóæäàòü.



Ventricular tachycardia in a patient with primary hyperparathyroidism.

Chang CJ,
Chen SA,
Tai CT,
Yu WC,
Chen YJ,
Tsai CF,
Hsieh MH,
Ding YA,
Chang MS.
Department of Medicine, National Yang-Ming University, School of Medicine, Taipei, Taiwan.
We present a case of primary hyperparathyroidism with hypercalcemia in a patient who had spontaneous attacks of ventricular tachycardia. Right ventricular burst pacing reproducibly induced ventricular tachycardia in the electrophysiological laboratory after intravenous administration of calcium-gluconate, and verapamil could terminate the tachycardia. After resection of the parathyroid adenoma, the calcium level was restored to normal, and ventricular tachycardia did not occur again during the follow-up period.
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Ã.À. Ìåëüíè÷åíêî
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #18  
Ñòàðûé 05.11.2006, 21:13
Âàíî Âàíî âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Ó÷àñòíèê ôîðóìà
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 28.10.2006
Ãîðîä: Óêðàèíà, Ñóìû
Ñîîáùåíèé: 100
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 2
Âàíî ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò õîðîøóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Ðàíüøå âûïóñêàëñÿ ïðåïàðàò äèíàòðèåâàÿ ñîëü ýòèëåíäèàìèíòåòðàóêñóñíîé êèñëîòû ( òðèëîí Á, Endrate disodium, sequestrene) Íå çíàþ âûïóñêàåòñÿ ëè îí ñåé÷àñ ? Åñëè äà, òî âîçìîæíî ëè åãî ââåäåíèå äëÿ ëå÷åíèÿ ïåðåäîçèðîâêè êàëüöèÿ, èñõîäÿ èç òîãî, ÷òî ïðè áûñòðîì ââåäåíèè òðèëîí Á áûñòðî ñâÿçûâàåò â ñûâîðîòêå êðîâè èîíèçèðîâàíûé êàëüöèé.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #19  
Ñòàðûé 05.11.2006, 21:17
Àâàòàð äëÿ Melnichenko
Melnichenko Melnichenko âíå ôîðóìà
ÂÐÀ×
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 26.07.2001
Ãîðîä: Ìîñêâà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 117,282
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 26
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 33,625 ðàç(à) çà 32,699 ñîîáùåíèé
Melnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Äà, ñïàñèáî, Âàíî- ýòó ðåêîìåíäàöèþ ÿ èñïîëüçîâàëäà â 80=õ â ÌÌÀ ( òàì â ðåàíèìàöèþ äâàæäû ïîñòóïàëè ãèïåðêàëüöèåìè÷åñêèå êðèçû ïðè íåäèàãíîñòèðîâàííûõ ïàðàòèðîìàõ). Ýòà æå ðåêîìíåäàöèÿ âõîäèëà â îòå÷åñòâåííûå ìîíîãðàôèè - íî ïîòîì îíà êàê-òî èñ÷åçëà. Ïîñòìîòðþ- à òî ÿ âñå äóìàþ- ÷åãî-òî ÿ íå íàïèñàëà.
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Ã.À. Ìåëüíè÷åíêî
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #20  
Ñòàðûé 05.11.2006, 21:20
Àâàòàð äëÿ tomic
tomic tomic âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Ñåðôåð
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 21.12.2005
Ãîðîä: Óêðàèíà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 9
tomic ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïëîõóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Ðå÷ü èäåò î ïåðåäîçèðîêå(îòðàâëåíèè) ïðåïàðàòàìè êàëüöèÿ.Ïî÷åìó â êà÷åñòâå ñèìïòîìàòè÷åñêîé òåðàïèè,äëÿ ñíÿòèÿ òîêñè÷åñêîãî äåéñòâèÿ íà ìèîêàðä â óñëîâèÿõ îòäåëåíèÿ ÈÒ íåäîïóêàåòñÿ ïðèìåíåíèå ïðåïàðàòîâ áëîêèðóþùèõ êàëüöèåâûå êàíàëû?
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #21  
Ñòàðûé 05.11.2006, 21:25
Âàíî Âàíî âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Ó÷àñòíèê ôîðóìà
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 28.10.2006
Ãîðîä: Óêðàèíà, Ñóìû
Ñîîáùåíèé: 100
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 2
Âàíî ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò õîðîøóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Öèòàòà:
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2 ãîäà íàçàä áîëüíîé, íàõîäÿùåéñÿ â íàðêîçå ïî ïîâîäó àïîïëåêñèè ÿè÷íèêà, â èíôóçèè âìåñòî ôèçèîëîãè÷åñêîãî ðàñòâîðà áûëî ââåäåíî îêîëî 70 ìë 10 %-ãî ðàñòâîðà õëîðèäà êàëüöèÿ (åñòåñòâåííî, íåïðåäíàìåðåííî!). Ïîñëåäóþùèå äåéñòâèÿ, íàïðàâëåííûå íà ýëèìèíàöèþ èçáûòî÷íîãî êîëè÷åñòâà èîíîâ êàëüöèÿ: ãåìîòðàíñôóçèÿ, èíôóçèÿ ïëàçìû è ïëàçìîçàìåíèòåëåé, ôîðñèðîâàííûé äèóðåç - óâû, ýôôåêòà íå âîçûìåëè. Æåíùèíà ïîãèáëà...
 ëèòåðàòóðå (â ò.÷. è â ðóññêîÿçû÷íîì Èíòåðíåòå) ïîäîáíûõ ñëó÷àåâ ïåðåäîçèðîâêè õëîðèñòîãî êàëüöèÿ íàéòè íå óäàëîñü. Ìîæåò ó êîãî-òî áûë òàêîé ïå÷àëüíûé îïûò? Íàñêîëüêî áûëî-áû îïðàâäàíî ââåñòè êàê àíòèäîò - ðàñòâîð ñåðíîêèñëîé ìàãíåçèè?

Ñ óâàæåíèåì - àíåñòåçèîëîã ×åëþê À.Â.
Õîòåëîñü óçíàòü íåìíîãî ïîäðîáíåé. Êàêîé áûë âîçðàñò è âåñ ó ïàöèåíòêè, áûëè ó íåå ïåðåä îïåðàöèåé èçìåíåíèÿ íà ÅÊÃ, ïðîèçâîäèëîñü ëè èçìåðåíèå óðîâíÿ êàëüöèÿ â ïëàçìå. ×åðåç ñêîëüêî âðåìåíè ïîñëå èíôóçèè ñêîí÷àëàñü áîëüíàÿ.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #22  
Ñòàðûé 05.11.2006, 21:30
Àâàòàð äëÿ Melnichenko
Melnichenko Melnichenko âíå ôîðóìà
ÂÐÀ×
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 26.07.2001
Ãîðîä: Ìîñêâà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 117,282
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 26
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 33,625 ðàç(à) çà 32,699 ñîîáùåíèé
Melnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
ìîæåò, è äîïóñêàåòñÿ- íî âåäü âûâåñòè -òî êàëüöèé ãëàâíîå.Ïîýòîìó Âàø âåðàïàìèë è ìîæåò áûòü ïðèìåíåí òîëüêî â ñëó÷àå ãèïåðòåíçèè íåêîåé çàøêàëèâàþùåé èëè íàðóøåíèé ðèòìà( ñì. ññûëêó) - íî íèêàê íå âìåñòî ìåð ïî ñíèæåíèþ óðîâíÿ êàëüöèÿ ( äîñòóïíûõ íà ñåãîäíÿ â ñòðàíå). Åùå ðàç - ãèïåðêàëüöèåìèÿ â îñíîâíîì ðàçáèðàåòñÿ â ìåäèöèíå êàê ïðîáëåìà ãèïåðïàðàòèðîçà, çëîêà÷åñòâííûõ îïóõîëåé, à ÿòðîãåííûå ïðè÷èíû- ïåðåäîçèðîâêà Ä3. ×òî êàñàåòñÿ ñèòóàöèè ñ ÿòðîãåíîé ãèïåðêàëüöèåìèåé èç-çà âðà÷åáíîé îøèáêè. òî ÿ íàøëà àâòîðó âîïðîñà ññûëêó äàâíî áûâøåãî- ïîñìîòðèòå.Ìîæíî èëè íåëüçÿ áûëî ñïàñòè áîëüíóþ - íå çíàþ, äåòàëè èñòîðèè íàì íåèçâåñòíû.
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Ã.À. Ìåëüíè÷åíêî
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #23  
Ñòàðûé 05.11.2006, 22:42
Âàíî Âàíî âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Ó÷àñòíèê ôîðóìà
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 28.10.2006
Ãîðîä: Óêðàèíà, Ñóìû
Ñîîáùåíèé: 100
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 2
Âàíî ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò õîðîøóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Áûñòðåå âñåãî ñíèçèòü óðîâåíü êàëüöèÿ ïðè ÿòðîãåíèè ìîæíî âûñîêîïîòî÷íûì ãåìîäèàëèçîì. Íî âîïðîñ â òîì, áûëà ëè ó äîêòîðà òàêàÿ âîçìîæíîñòü?
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #24  
Ñòàðûé 05.11.2006, 22:57
Àâàòàð äëÿ Melnichenko
Melnichenko Melnichenko âíå ôîðóìà
ÂÐÀ×
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 26.07.2001
Ãîðîä: Ìîñêâà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 117,282
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 26
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 33,625 ðàç(à) çà 32,699 ñîîáùåíèé
Melnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
calcemic crisis.
È ïðè ýòîì îãîâàðèâàåòñÿ íåîáõîäèìîñòü íåêîåãî ( ýòî óæ äëÿ ìåíÿ âûñøàÿ ìàòåìàòèêà) áåçêàëüöèåâîãî äèàëèçàòà ( ýòà ìûñëü âîëîáùå ÷åòêî ïðîõîäèò ÷åðåç âñå ðåêîìåíäàöèè)

Íî âåäü âñå ðàâíî îñíîâàíàÿ ëèíèÿ ãòèïåðêàëüöèåìèè - ïîèñê ãèïåðïàðàòèðîçà, à ó íàñ ñîâñåì äðóãàÿ ñèòóàöèÿ..
Ziegler R.
Medizinische Universitatsklinik und Poliklinik, Heidelberg, Germany. [Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ]
Hypercalcemia may decompensate from a more or less chronic status into a critical and life-threatening condition, hypercalcemic crisis. In the majority of cases, primary hyperparathyroidism is the cause; humoral hypercalcemia of malignancy or rarer conditions of hypercalcemia will decompensate less often. The leading symptoms that characterize the crisis are oliguria and anuria as well as somnolence and coma. After a hypercalcemic crisis is recognized, an emergency diagnostic program has to be followed either to prove or to exclude primary hyperparathyroidism. In the first case, surgical neck exploration is the only way to avoid fatal outcome. The diagnostic program should be performed within hours; during this time, serum calcium should be lowered. Treatment of choice is hemodialysis against a calcium-free dialysate. Bisphosphonates could be useful as adjuvant drugs.
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Ñòàðûé 05.11.2006, 22:59
Àâàòàð äëÿ Melnichenko
Melnichenko Melnichenko âíå ôîðóìà
ÂÐÀ×
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 26.07.2001
Ãîðîä: Ìîñêâà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 117,282
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 26
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 33,625 ðàç(à) çà 32,699 ñîîáùåíèé
Melnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
[Calcium-free hemodialysis--value in therapy of hypercalcemic crisis]

[Article in German]
Kaiser W,
Biesenbach G,
Kramar R,
Zazgornik J.
Allgemeines offentliches Krankenhaus der Stadt Linz, II. Medizinische Abteilung.
If conservative treatment of hypercalcemic crises is ineffective, low calcium bath or zero calcium bath hemodialysis represent good alternatives. We report 5 patients (from 54 to 82 years old) treated with calcium free acetate hemodialysis because of hypercalcemic crises due to breast cancer with bone metastases, thiazids' medication and immobilisation, liver cirrhosis, hepatocellular carcinoma and hyperparathyroidism. By 3 hours' therapy calcium concentration could be reduced from a mean value of 3.74 mmol/l (3.13-4.46) to 2.47 mmol/l (1.38-3.12). In 3 cases rapid clinical improvement was achieved and in 4 cases the subsequent conservative therapy was sufficient to maintain serum calcium levels within reference range. In accordance to other investigators we consider hemodialysis as an effective method of low risk in hypercalcemic crises. Calcium rebound may occur in patients with hyperparathyrodism.
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Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
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Ñòàðûé 05.11.2006, 23:23
Âàíî Âàíî âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Ó÷àñòíèê ôîðóìà
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 28.10.2006
Ãîðîä: Óêðàèíà, Ñóìû
Ñîîáùåíèé: 100
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 2
Âàíî ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò õîðîøóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Íè÷åãî çäåñü ñëîæíîãî íåò. Äëÿ ïðèãîòîâëåíèÿ äèàëèçóþùåãî ðàñòâîðà èñïîëüçóåòñÿ îáûêíîâåííàÿ ïèùåâàÿ ñîäà ( ãèäðîêàðáîíàò èëè áèêàðáîíàò íàòðèÿ) èëè àöåòàò íàòðèÿ, êîòîðûé â îðãàíèçìå ïðåâðàùàåòñÿ â áèêàðáîíàò.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
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Ñòàðûé 05.11.2006, 23:27
Âàíî Âàíî âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Ó÷àñòíèê ôîðóìà
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 28.10.2006
Ãîðîä: Óêðàèíà, Ñóìû
Ñîîáùåíèé: 100
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 2
Âàíî ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò õîðîøóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Äëÿ tomic. ß äóìàþ,÷òî äëÿ âûèãðàøà âî âðåìåíè ïðè îòðàâëåíèè õëîðèñòûì êàëüöèåì äîïóñòèìî ïðèìåíåíèå áëîêàòîðîâ êàëüöèåâûõ êàíàëîâ. Íàäî ïîñìîòðåòü. Êîãäàòî ðàáîòàë â òîêñèêîëîãè÷åñêîé ðåàíèìàöèè, íî ñ òàêîé ïðîáëåìîé íå ñòûêàëñÿ.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
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Ñòàðûé 06.11.2006, 12:01
Anest1963 Anest1963 âíå ôîðóìà Ïîë ìóæñêîé
Ñåðôåð
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 04.11.2006
Ãîðîä: Óêðàèíà, ã. Õàðöûçñê
Ñîîáùåíèé: 4
Anest1963 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò õîðîøóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
ÓÂÀÆÀÅÌÛÅ ÊÎËËÅÃÈ!
Õî÷ó âûðàçèòü îãðîìíóþ ïðèçíàòåëüíîñòü âñåì, êòî, íå ïîæàëåâ âðåìåíè, îòêëèêíóëñÿ íà âîïðîñû ìîåé ïðîáëåìû – ÿòðîãåííîé ãèïåðêàëüöèåìèè. Îñîáåííî õî÷åòñÿ ïîáëàãîäàðèòü Ãàëèíó Àôàíàñüåâíó Ìåëüíè÷åíêî, çà òî, ÷òî îíà òàê ìíîãî âðåìåíè îòäàåò íàøåìó ôîðóìó, ó÷èò íàñ «óìó - ðàçóìó», îïèðàÿñü íà ñâîé áîãàòåéøèé îïûò.  êîíå÷íîì èòîãå – ýòî ïîçâîëÿåò ñïàñòè íàøèõ ïàöèåíòîâ, à åñëè ýòîãî óæå íå ñóæäåíî, òî - îãðàæäàåò íàñ âïðåäü îò òåõ îðãàíèçàöèîííî-òàêòè÷åñêèõ îøèáîê, êîòîðûå, óâû, åñòü â ïðàêòèêå êàæäîãî.
Åùå ðàç – ÁÎËÜØÎÅ ÂÑÅÌ ÑÏÀÑÈÁÎ!
Òåïåðü ïîñòàðàþñü îòâåòèòü íà âîïðîñû êîëëåã, äëÿ óòî÷íåíèÿ ñèòóàöèè, êîòîðàÿ òîãäà ñîçäàëàñü.
Âîçðàñò æåíùèíû – 34 ãîäà, ìàññà òåëà – 65 - 70 êèëîãðàìì. Ïåðåä óðãåíòíûìè îïåðàöèÿìè òàêîé ñòåïåíè ñëîæíîñòè êàê àïïåíäýêòîìèÿ, òóáýêîìèÿ, ðåçåêöèÿ ÿè÷íèêà è ò.ï., â íàøåé ïðîâèíöèàëüíîé áîëüíè÷êå ñîñòîÿíèå áîëüíîãî îöåíèâàåòñÿ â îñíîâíîì – âèçóàëüíî. Îãðàíè÷èâàåìñÿ îáùèìè àíàëèçàìè êðîâè, ìî÷è. ÝÊÃ, åñëè àíàìíåñòè÷åñêè íåò îñîáåííîñòåé – êàê ïðàâèëî, íå äåëàåòñÿ. ß óæ íå ãîâîðþ îá èññëåäîâàíèè ýëåêòðîëèòîâ êðîâè, ëàáîðàòîðèÿ íå èìååò âîçìîæíîñòè îïðåäåëÿòü ìíîãèå èç íèõ. Âîò ÷òî ó íàñ åñòü, è, êàê ÿ ïîíÿë èç âûñêàçàííîãî êîëëåãàìè, ìîãëî ñóùåñòâåííî ïîâëèÿòü íà ñóäüáó íåñ÷àñòíîé ïàöèåíòêè – ýòî ãåìîäèàëèç (íà òîò ìîìåíò îí íå áûë çàêîíñåðâèðîâàí, êàê ñåé÷àñ).
 äâóõ ñëîâàõ îïèøó õîä ñîáûòèé: áîëüíàÿ ïîñòóïèëà îêîëî 7-30. Ñîñòîÿíèå îöåíåíî êàê òÿæåëîå – 2-å ñóòîê îòìå÷àëèñü êðàòêîâðåìåííûå ïîòåðè ñîçíàíèÿ, áîëè âíèçó æèâîòà. (Ðàáîòàëà ó ïðåäïðèíèìàòåëÿ â ìàãàçèíå, êîòîðûé âåñüìà íå ïðèâåòñòâîâàë óõîä ñîòðóäíèêîâ íà «áîëüíè÷íûé»).  ãåìîãðàììå îòìå÷åíî ñíèæåíèå ïîêàçàòåëåé «êðàñíîé» êðîâè: Ý – 3,5, Hb – 90. Áîëüíàÿ îêîëî 8-00 áûëà â îïåðàöèîííîé. Áûëà íàëàæåíà èíôóçèÿ ñîëåâûõ ðàñòâîðîâ. (À íàêàíóíå íî÷üþ â îòäåëåíèè ïðîâîäèëàñü èíòåíñèâíàÿ òåðàïèÿ áåðåìåííîé ñ ïðîôóçíûì íîñîâûì êðîâîòå÷åíèåì, èç-çà ÷åãî áûë âûðàáîòàí çàïàñ ôëàêîíîâ ñ ôèç. ðàñòâîðîì). Àíåñòåçèñòêà âïîïûõàõ áåðåò ôëàêîí ñî çëîïîëó÷íûì 10 %-ì ðàñòâîðîì êàëüöèÿ õëîðèäà, ñ÷èòàÿ åãî 0,9 %-ì íàòðèÿ õëîðèäîì è ïîäêëþ÷àåò åãî â èíôóçèþ. ß âîøåë â îïåðàöèîííóþ è ñðàçó äàë êîìàíäó íà ââîäíûé íàðêîç, êîãäà îáðàòèë âíèìàíèå íà èôóçèîííóþ ñðåäó – óæå áûëî ïðîêàïàíî 70 ìë.
 èìåþùèõñÿ «ïîä ðóêîé» ñïðàâî÷íûõ èçäàíèÿõ ïî ìåäèêàìåíòîçíûì îòðàâëåíèÿì íèêàêîé àíòèäîòíîé òåðàïèè, êðîìå êëàññè÷åñêîãî «ôîðñèðîâàííîãî äèóðåçà» îïèñàíî íå áûëî. Ñðàçó æå ïîäêëþ÷èë ñòàðøèõ êîëëåã ñ âûñøèìè êàòåãîðèÿìè, êîòîðûå «äàëè äîáðî» íà ôîðñèðîâàííûé äèóðåç, ãåìîòðàíñôóçèþ (êðîâîïîòåðÿ îêîëî 1 ëèòðà) + êëåòêè «÷óæîé» êðîâè ïîòåíöèàëüíî äîëæíû áûëè âçÿòü íà ñåáÿ ÷àñòü èçáûòî÷íûõ èîíîâ êàëüöèÿ. Òàêæå ââîäèëèñü ïëàçìà è ïëàçìîçàìåíèòåëè, ò.ê. íà÷àëî ñíèæàòüñÿ ÀÄ. Çàâåäóþùèé îòäåëåíèåì, ïðîáûâ ïîë÷àñà, óåõàë â õèðóðãèþ (îíà ó íàñ íàõîäèòñÿ â äðóãîé ÷àñòè ãîðîäà). Ñïóñòÿ 2 ÷àñà åùå áûëî âïå÷àòëåíèå, ÷òî ñèòóàöèÿ ðàçðåøèòñÿ áëàãîïîëó÷íî: æåíùèíà ýêñòóáèðîâàíà, â ñîçíàíèè, îñîáûõ æàëîá íå ïðåäúÿâëÿåò, äèóðåç äîñòàòî÷íûé, ÀÄ – ïîðÿäêà 90-100/60 ìì.ðò.ñò., òàõèêàðäèÿ äî 100/ìèí. Íî íà 4-5 ÷àñó íà÷àëñÿ îáâàë ÀÄ, òàõèêàðäèÿ ïîïîëçëà çà 120/ìèí. Ñòàëî ïîíÿòíî, ÷òî êàëüöèé ïîïàë èç ïëàçìû â êëåòêó, áûëî óæå î÷åâèäíûì, ÷òî «íå ïðîíåñåò». Ïîíÿòíî, ÷òî âàçîïðåññîðû, êàðäèîòîíèêè, èíòóáàöèÿ, ÈÂË, ïîâòîðíûé ïðèåçä øåôà, êîíñóëüòàöèÿ êàðäèîëîãà ñ ìîíèòîðèíãîì ÝÊà – óæå ýôôåêòà íå èìåëî. Ïîÿâèëèñü ñèìïòîìû îòåêà ëåãêèõ, çàòåì àñèñòîëèÿ – óäàëîñü åùå «çàâåñòè» ñåðäöå ìèíóò íà 25…
Îáùèé îáúåì èíôóçèè ñîñòàâèë 4 ëèòðà. Âðåìÿ ñ ìîìåíòà èíôóçèè õëîðèäà óâëüöèÿ äî êîíñòàòàöèè ñìåðòè – 7 ÷àñîâ.
Âûâîäû, êîòîðûå ÿ ñäåëàë, áëàãîäàðÿ Âàì, óâàæàåìûå êîëëåãè: âî-ïåðâûõ, íå ïîääàâàòüñÿ áëàãîäóøèþ, êîòîðîå íàâåÿëè ìîè êîëëåãè ïî îòäåëåíèþ, ÷òî «åñëè ðàçâÿçêà íå íàñòóïèëà òîò ÷àñ æå, òî ïðè ñòàíäàðòíûõ ìåòîäàõ ýëèìèíàöèè ÿäîâ (èìåþ ââèäó - ôîðñèðîâàííûé äèóðåç) – âñå äîëæíî ðàçðåøèòüñÿ áëàãîïîëó÷íî». Âî-âòîðûõ, ñòîèëî áû ïîèñêàòü êàëüöèòîíèí, òðèëîí Á, õîòÿ ïðè òîòàëüíîé íàïðàâëåííîñòè ÷àñòíûõ àïòåê íà «âîñòðåáîâàííûå» ïðåïàðàòû – âðÿä ëè ó íèõ ìîãëà áûòü òàêàÿ ýêçîòèêà. Äà åùå è èäèîòñêàÿ ðåãèñòðàöèîííàÿ ñèñòåìà ìåäïðåïàðàòîâ íà Óêðàèíå – îêîëî 20 % êðàéíå íåîáõîäèìûõ ëåêàðñòâåííûõ ñðåäñòâ íå ïðîøëè ðåãèñòðàöèþ! Íî ýòîò îòäåëüíàÿ òåìà äëÿ äèñêóññèè. Ïîýòîìó çà áèñôîñîôíàòû ÿ âîîáùå ìîë÷ó! Åùå ðàç ñïàñèáî çà óïîìèíàíèå î íèõ, èíà÷å â óêðàèíñêîé ñèñòåìå çäðàâîîõðàíåíèÿ ñîâñåì îòóïååøü.
Äà, äóìàþ, ÷òî è âåðàïàìèë áûë áû íå ëèøíèé, ïîêà «ðàñêî÷åãàðèâàëè» áû «èñêóññòâåííóþ ïî÷êó». Íåîáõîäèì áûë ðåçåðâ âðåìåíè, ÷òîáû âûçâàòü èç äîìó ïåðñîíàë, êîòîðûé ðàáîòàåò íà äèàëèçå. Íî, óâû, òîãäà â ïåðâûå 3-4 ÷àñà, êàê ÿ óæå îòìåòèë, ñóáúåêòèâíûå, äà è, äîñòóïíûå â íàøèõ óñëîâèÿõ, îáúåêòèâíûå äàííûå íå ïðåäâåùàëè êàòàñòðîôó, ïîýòîìó, çà äèàëèç è íå ïîäóìàëè, à ïîòîì – áûëî óæå ïîçäíî…

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Ñòàðûé 06.11.2006, 12:12
Àâàòàð äëÿ tomic
tomic tomic âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Ñåðôåð
 
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Ãîðîä: Óêðàèíà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 9
tomic ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïëîõóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
[QUOTE=Âàíî ß äóìàþ,÷òî äëÿ âûèãðàøà âî âðåìåíè ïðè îòðàâëåíèè õëîðèñòûì êàëüöèåì äîïóñòèìî ïðèìåíåíèå áëîêàòîðîâ êàëüöèåâûõ êàíàëîâ.

Ñïàñèáî Âàíî.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
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Ñòàðûé 06.11.2006, 13:32
Àâàòàð äëÿ Melnichenko
Melnichenko Melnichenko âíå ôîðóìà
ÂÐÀ×
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 26.07.2001
Ãîðîä: Ìîñêâà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 117,282
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 26
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