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Ñòàðûé 28.06.2023, 13:06
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Ìû ñîãëàñèëècü ñ ðåêîìåíäàöèÿìè, ÷òî øèòîâèäíûå óçëû <1 ñì íå äîëæíû íå òîëüêî îïåðèðîâàòüñÿ, íî è ïðîõîäèòü áèîïñèþ.
Íî âîò ãðóïïà èç Êîðåè ( Þæíîé, åñòåñòâåííî) ïîêàçàëà, ÷òî â ~1.5% ýòè êðîõîòíûå îïóõîëè òàêèõ áîëüíûõ àãðåññèâíû (“ Aggressive subtypes included diffuse sclerosing, solid, tall cell, columnar cell, and hobnail subtypes.”). Ñåìü èç 177 âûäàëè ðåëàïñ (3.95%), â òî âðåìÿ , êîãäà 12 èç 11,393 (1.7%) ãèñòîëîãè÷åñêè íåàãðåññèâíûõ òîæå âûäàëè ðåëàïñ.

×òî ýòî? Äîëæíû ëè ìû ïåðåñìîòðåòü íàøè ðåêîìåíäàöèè èëè ýòî ïðîñòî àðòåôàêò íåïîëíîãî óäàëåíèÿ?

Çàïàñàåìñÿ ïîïêîðíîì è æäåì ðàáîò èç äðóãèõ öåíòðîâ.

The Journal of Clinical Endocrinology & Metabolism, Volume 108, Issue 6, June 2023, Pages 1370–1375, [Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ]

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Ñòàðûé 28.06.2023, 13:40
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Novel Triple Agonist Nabs Biggest Weight Loss Yet in Obesity Trial
— Plus, two other studies on retatrutide show benefit in type 2 diabetes, fatty liver disease
by Kristen Monaco, Senior Staff Writer, MedPage Today June 26, 2023

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SAN DIEGO -- An investigational triple-hormone receptor agonist yielded major weight loss in people with obesity, a phase II trial showed.

By 24 weeks, patients on any of the four doses of once-weekly injectable retatrutide lost a significantly greater amount of weight than those on placebo -- achieving the trial's primary endpoint -- reported Ania M. Jastreboff, MD, PhD, of Yale University School of Medicine in New Haven, Connecticut, and colleagues, during the American Diabetes Association (ADA) Scientific Sessionsopens in a new tab or window and in the New England Journal of Medicineopens in a new tab or window.

Average change in body weight among the groups at this time were:

-7.2% for the 1-mg group
-12.9% for the combined 4-mg group
-17.3% for the combined 8-mg group
-17.5% for the 12-mg group
-1.6% for the placebo group
Patients taking retatrutide continued to lose a substantial amount of weight compared with placebo at week 48, achieving one of the trial's secondary endpoints. By this time point, patients in the highest-dose group lost nearly a quarter of their body weight, with average changes of -8.7%, -17.1%, -22.8%, -24.2% for the 1-mg, combined 4-mg, combined 8-mg, and 12-mg groups compared with -2.1% with placebo.

"We have not seen results like this before in a trial of less than 1-year duration with an anti-obesity medication," Jastreboff said during an ADA press conference. "The weight loss had not yet plateaued, meaning that participants were [still] losing weight at the time the trial product was discontinued."

"I think this raises the bar," added panel member Carel Le Roux, PhD, of University College Dublin in Ireland, who wasn't involved with the study. "This is really impressive. This is beyond my wildest dreams. To see something like this in my lifetime is pretty impressive."

Retatrutide acts as an agonist of the glucose-dependent insulinotropic polypeptide (GIP), glucagon-like peptide 1 (GLP-1), and glucagon receptors.

All of the patients in the highest-dose group achieved a clinically relevant weight loss of at least 5% by week 48, while 93% achieved a ≥10% weight loss and 83% achieved a ≥15% weight loss.

A total of 13 retatrutide patients and one placebo patient had a body mass index (BMI) decrease to 22 or lower, but none decreased below 19.

Average waist circumference drops with retatrutide ranged from -6.5 cm up to -19.6 cm compared with -2.6 cm with placebo.

The triple agent tended to yield larger magnitudes of weight loss in people with more severe obesity (BMI 35+), as well as female patients. Jastreboff pointed out that these agents tend to induce greater weight loss in women and that prior trials of obesity drugs typically enroll more women. However, her group made it a point to enroll an equal number of men (51.8% of participants), which "may have dampened the efficacy results."

As expected with an agent containing a GLP-1 receptor agonist, the most common adverse events were gastrointestinal-related, but were mostly mild to moderate, including nausea, diarrhea, vomiting, and constipation. Similarly, there was a slight heart rate increase also seen with other agents in this class, which peaked at week 24 of treatment and then declined.

Among the 338 adults enrolled, all had a BMI of 30 or higher or a BMI of 27 plus a weight-related condition (average baseline BMI 37.3). Those with diabetes were excluded from this trial, although 36% had prediabetes.

Randomized in a 2:1:1:1:1:2:2 ratio, participants received either 1 mg, 4 mg (initial dose of 2 mg), 4 mg (initial dose of 4 mg), 8 mg (initial dose of 2 mg), 8 mg (initial dose of 4 mg), or 12 mg (initial dose of 2 mg), or placebo once weekly. In addition, all the participants were guided on lifestyle interventions in the form of dietary counseling, but did not adhere to a specific calorie deficit.

Jastreboff said the phase III TRIUMPH-3 trialopens in a new tab or window will test retatrutide on obesity and obesity-related conditions.

Big Benefits in Type 2 Diabetes, Too

Retatrutide also yielded significant improvements in glycemic control in another phase II trial focused on people with type 2 diabetes.

Also presented at ADA and published in The Lancetopens in a new tab or window, all doses tested outperformed placebo at reducing HbA1c, and most were also better than dulaglutide (Trulicity) 1.5 mg by week 24:

Retatrutide 0.5 mg: -0.43% change in HbA1c
4-mg escalation group: -1.39%
4-mg group: -1.30%
8-mg slow escalation group: -1.99%
8-mg fast escalation group: -1.88%
12-mg escalation group: -2.02%
Dulaglutide: -1.41%
Placebo: -0.01%
These HbA1c improvements were all maintained through to the end of the trial at 36 weeks. Significantly more patients on maintenance doses of 4 mg or higher achieved an HbA1c below 5.7% -- attaining normoglycemia, including 27% of patients on the 12-mg dose.

Substantial drops in body weight were also noted, with patients seeing up to a 16.94% weight loss by week 36.

"This you have never seen in type 2 diabetes. This is a real wow," said lead investigator Julio Rosenstock, MD, of Velocity Clinical Research at Medical City Dallas. "Not a single drug has achieved 17% [weight loss in type 2 diabetes]. And you ain't seen nothing yet, because you see at 36 weeks, you continue to lose weight."

"In type 2 diabetes, for whatever reason, we get 30% less weight loss, but this [weight loss] is consistent with what you get with semaglutide [Wegovyopens in a new tab or window]," he noted.

Again, the most common adverse events reported were mild-to-moderate gastrointestinal events, including nausea, diarrhea, vomiting, and constipation. While there were no severe events, three retatrutide patients experienced moderate hypoglycemia.

Discussing the mechanism behind the glucagon agonist component of the triple agonist, Stephen Bain, MD, and Thinzar Min, MD, both of Swansea University Medical School in Wales, noted in an accompanying commentaryopens in a new tab or window that "if glucagon agonism induces increased energy expenditure, a mechanism quite different to the satiety induced by GLP-1, then long-term cardiovascular outcome trials will almost certainly be requested by regulators, slowing the pathway to clinical use."

Also Works for NAFLD

Retatrutide was also able to reduce the amount of liver fat in a subset of patients with obesity and nonalcoholic fatty liver disease (NAFLD).

In a third study presented at ADA, the highest two doses were able to reduce liver fat by over 80% by week 24 compared with placebo:

1 mg: -42.9%
4 mg: -57.0%
8 mg: -81.4%
12 mg: -82.4%
Placebo: 0.3%
While most liver fat reduction occurred in the first 24 weeks, the 12-mg dose reduced liver fat by 86% by week 48.

Liver fat content dropped below 5% at week 24 in the majority of patients on the highest three doses, leading to resolution of NAFLD. This occurred in 52% of the 4-mg group, 79% of the 8-mg group, and 86% of the 12-mg group.

"Biologically, the addition of glucagon receptor agonism to GIP and GLP-1 ... enhances liver fat clearance and may provide greater efficacy in the treatment of NAFLD and NASH [nonalcoholic steatohepatitis]," said co-author Lee Kaplan, MD, PhD, of the Obesity, Metabolism and Nutrition Institute at Massachusetts General Hospital in Boston.

Weight loss was similar in the NAFLD subgroup and the larger obesity trial population.
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Ñòàðûé 29.06.2023, 08:43
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Áûëî áû íåïëîõî ïîëó÷èòü àëüòåðíàòèâó áàðèàòðè÷åñêîé îïåðàöèè, íî âàæíà öåíà âîïðîñà (äàæå ñàêñåíäó àáñîëþòíîå áîëüøèíñòâî òåõ, êîìó îíà íóæíà, íå ìîãëè ñåáå ïîçâîëèòü) è ñìîòðÿ ÷òî åùå âûÿâèòñÿ â ïîáî÷êàõ â ïîñòìàðêåòèíãîâîì íàáëþäåíèè.
Õîòÿ äëÿ òàêèõ ïðåïàðàòîâ âðîäå îñîáî âðåäíûõ íåîæèäàííîñòåé íå ïðåäâèäèòñÿ, íå öåíòðàëüíîãî äåéñòâèÿ - óæå õîðîøî.
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Ñòàðûé 29.06.2023, 19:16
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ghrh44 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåghrh44 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåghrh44 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåghrh44 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåghrh44 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåghrh44 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåghrh44 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåghrh44 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåghrh44 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåghrh44 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåghrh44 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Òî,÷òî ïîñòìàðêåòîâûå íàáëþäåíèÿ ìîãóò âûÿâëÿòü ÷òî-òî íåîæèäàííîå è íåõîðîøåå,- âïîëíå âîçìîæíî, íî êîìïàíèè íå ãëóïåå íàñ ñ Âàìè, è òðàòÿò ìíîãî äåíåã íà îïðåäåëåíèå äîçû, ïðîäîëæèòåëüíîñòü ïðîòîêîëà è ÷èñëî ó÷àñòíèêîâ. Ýòî â äîáàâëåíèå íà ðàñõîäû íà îòêðûòèÿ, ðàçðàáîòêè, äî-êëèíè÷åñêèå èññëåäîâàíèÿ è ïð.
Ýòî âñå ñâÿçàíî ñ öåíîé ïðåïàðàòîâ. Ìíîæåñòâî ñîâðåìåííûõ ëåêàðñòâ ñîçäàíî î÷åíü ñëîæíûìè ïðîöåññàìè è êîìïàíèè îáÿçàíû ïðèíîñèòü ïðèáûëü ñâîèì àêöèîíåðàì, èíà÷å èì õàíà.
Íî âî âñåõ öèâèëèçîâàííûõ ñòðàíàõ öåíà ëåêàðñòâ ïîêðûâàåòñÿ ñòðàõîâêàìè, ÷àñòíûìè èëè ãîñóäàðñòâåííûìè. Áîëüíûå ïëàòÿò î÷åíü ìàëåíüêèé ïðîöåíò èç ñâîèõ êàðìàíîâ. Áîëåå òîãî, ñàìè ôàðìàöåâòè÷åñêèå êîìïàíèè äàþò êîëîññàëüíûå ñêèäêè ëþäÿì íà ïîêðûòèå ýòèõ ðàñõîäîâ. Êàê ðåçóëüòàò, çà âñþ ñâîþ ïðîôåññèîíàëüíóþ æèçíü ÿ íå âèäåë íè îäíîãî áîëüíîãî, êîòîðûé áûë áû íå ñïîñîáåí îïëàòèòü íåîáõîäèìîå ëåêàðñòâî ïîñëå óòâåðæäåíèÿ åãî ÔÄÀ. Äà, ÿ äîëæåí áûë èíîãäà çâîíèòü â ñòðàõîâûå êîìïàíèè è ãîâîðèòü ñ èõ “ñïåöèàëèñòîì”. Ýòî çàíèìàëî ó ìåíÿ 10-15 ìèíóò è âñåãäà ñòðàõîâàÿ êîìïàíèÿ óòâåðæäàëà ïîêðûòèå ýòîãî ëåêàðñòâà.

È íå çàáûâàéòå î ðàçíèöå â çàðïëàòàõ. Ìèíèìàëüíàÿ â Øòàòàõ ñåé÷àñ $15 â ÷àñ, $120 çà 8-÷àñîâûé â äåíü, $600 çà ïÿòèäíåâíóþ íåäåëþ, $2400 â ìåñÿö. Íàì ñ æåíîé èç-çà âîçðàñòà ïðèõîäèòñÿ ïèòü ìíîãî òàáëåòîê , è íàøà äîëÿ îïëàòû ~$ 100-120 çà 3 ìåñÿöà. Ìèíèìàëüíàÿ ãîñóäàðñòâåííàÿ ïåíñèÿ ( àâòîìàòè÷åñêè ïîñëå 62 ëåò) ïîðÿäêà $ 1200 â ìåñÿö è âêëþ÷àåò ïî÷òè ïîëíóþ öåíó ñòðàõîâêè íà ëþáûå ëåêàðñòâà.
Áåäíûå è íåðàáîòàâøèå ñèäÿò íà Medicaid, è ïîëó÷àþò ïðèáëèçèòåëüíî ñòîëüêî æå + êàðòî÷êè íà åäó, ïðèíèìàþùèåñÿ â ëþáîì ñóïåðìàðêåòå. Íî ëåêàðñòâà è âñÿ äðóãàÿ ìåäèöèíñêàÿ ïîìîùü èì áåñïëàòíà.
 ñîöèàëèñòè÷åñêîé Åâðîïå íèêòî âîîáùå íè÷åãî íå ïëàòèò, íî ó íèõ íàëîãè íà âñå çàðàáîòàííûå äåíüãè â 2-3 ðàçà âûøå, ÷åì â Øòàòàõ.
Òàê ÷òî êàê íè êðóòè, ââ âñåõ ñòðàíàõ ïåðâîãî ìðà è âî ìíîãèõ äàæå âòîðîãî, äþáûå íîâåéøèå è áîëåå ýôôåêòèâíûå ëåêàðñòâà äîñòóïíû âñåì íóæäàþùèìñÿ â íèõ èëè ïî êðàéíåé ìåðå çíà÷èòåëüíîìó ïðîöåíòó. Ìîè êîëëåãè èç Þæíîé Àìåðèêè è Ìåêñèêè ( íåáîãàòûå ñòðàíû) ãîâîðÿò ìíå, ÷òî ó íèõ åñòü âñå, ÷òî åñòü â Øòàòàõ.

Íî ðàñõîäû áîëüíûõ çà ëåêàðñòâà ðàçíÿòñÿ êîëîññàëüíî ìåæäó ÐÔ è Øòàòàìè , ó÷èòûâàÿ ðàçíèöó â äîõîäàõ . Ôàðìàöåâòè÷åñêèå êîìïàíèè ïðîäàþò ñâîè ëåêàðñòâà â äðóãèå ñòðàíû áaçèðóÿñü íà öåíó â ñòðàíàõ ñâîåé ðåãèñòðàöèè è äåëàÿ ñêèäêè çà ìàññîâûå çàêóïêè ïëþñ êîåôôèöèåíò íà ðàçíûå ñòðàíû. Íî äîëÿ àìåðèêàíñêîãî áîëüíîãî ïîñëå ïîêðûòèÿ ñòðàõîâêàìè íåáîëüøàÿ. Äàæå ëåêàðñòâî , îôèöèàëüíî ñòîÿùåå $3000 çà 30 òàáëåòîê èëè îäèí óêîë â ìåñÿö áóäåò ñòîèòü åìó , ñêàæåì $50 , è îí áóäåò ñòîíàòü è ðóãàòü æàäíîñòü êîìïàíèè. Íî îí â ñîñòîÿíèè çàïëàòèòü ýòó ñóììó áåç îñîáîãî íàïðÿæåíèÿ äëÿ ñâîåãî ñåìåéíîãî áþäæåòà. Íî òî æå ñàìîå ëåêàðñòâî äàæå åñëè îíî áóäåò ïðîäàâàòüñÿ â ÐÔ çà $1000, òî aïòåêà áóäåò ïðîñèòü $1500, ÷òî ïî íûíåøíåìó êóðñó áóäåò 132,000 ðóáëåé.
Ýòî ïðîñòî ïðèìåð, èçìåíèòå öèôðû êàê âàì óãîäíî, íî ÷òî áû âû íå äåëàëè, à äîëÿ öåíû ýòîãî ëåêàðñòâà çàáåðåò ãðîìàäíóþ ÷àñòü ñåìåéíîãî áþäæåòà, åñëè íå âåñü è âûøå, äåëàÿ åãî íåäîñòóïíûì äëÿ 99% áîëüíûõ.
Eñëè áû ýòè ëåêàðñòâà ïðîèçâîäèëèñü â ÐÔ, òî ìîæíî áû ñ ýòèì ÷òî-òî ñäåëàòü,
. Íî Ðîññèÿ îò öàðñêîé èìïåðèè äî íûíåøíåãî ñâîåãî íàçâàíèÿ, -ÐÔ,- íèêîãäà íå ñîçäàëà íè îäíîãî íîâîãî ëåêàðñòâà, â ëó÷øåì ñëó÷àå äåëàÿ êîïèè âûøåäøèõ èç-ïîä ïàòåíòà, ïðè÷åì ñ ñîìíèòåëüíûì êà÷åñòâîì. Íîâûé çàêîí â ÐÔ ïîîùðÿåò íåçàêîííîå ïðîèçâîäñòâî ïàòåíòîâàííûõ ëåêàðñòâ èç äðóãèõ ñòðàí, òî åñòü îòêðîâåííóþ êðàæó. Çëûå ÿçûêè èç ôàðìàöåâòè÷åñêèõ êîìïàíèé ãîâîðèëè ìíå, ÷òî îíè íå õîòÿò èìåòü äåëà ñ ÐÔ âîîáùå â îòâåò íà ýòî.
 îáùåì, òî, ÷òî ïðîèñõîäèò â ÐÔ ñ ëåêàðñòâåííîé ïîìîùüþ ýòî êàòàñòðîôà. Ðûíîê çàïîëíåí ñòàðûìè ïðîäóêòàìè 20 âåêà è îòêðîâåííûì ôóôëîì, íî ïîòðÿñàþùèå ïðîðûâû çàïàäíûõ êîìïàíèé â ëå÷åíèè ìàññû áîëåçíåé è îñíîâàííûå íà íîâûõ îòêðûòèÿõ è òåõíîëîãèÿõ íåäîñòóïíû ãðîìàäíîìó áîëüøèíñòâó ëþäåé. Áîëüíûå â îò÷àÿíèè, âðà÷è òîæå. ß íå çàâèäóþ ñâîèì ðîññèéñêèì êîëëåãàì, ÷èòàþùèì î íîâûõ è êðàéíå ýôôåêòèâíûõ ëåêàðñòâàõ è íå ìîãóùèõ èõ èñïîëüçîâàòü. Êðîìå òîãî, íåêîòîðûå “ñâåòèëà” ïðîïàãàíäèðóþò íå ïîäòâåðæäåííûå íèêåì è íèêîãäà ïîòåíöèàëüíûå îñëîæíåíèÿ íîâûõ ëåêàðñòâ, êàê íàïðèìåð ðàçâèòèå çëîêà÷åñòâåííûõ ïðîöåññîâ ïðè ïðèìåíåíèè òåïëèçóìàáà äëÿ ïðåäîòâðàùåíèÿ ÄÌ-1. Ýíäîêðèíîëîãè çíàþò, î ÷åì ÿ ãîâîðþ:-(((


Íå óâåðåí, ÷òî ñ ýòèì âû âñå ìîæåòå ñäåëàòü. Áîëüíûõ ìíå áåñêîíå÷íî æàëü, êàê è êîëëåã.

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Korzun îäîáðèë(à):
FilippovaYulia îäîáðèë(à): Äåëàé, ÷òî ìîæåøü, è áóäü, ÷òî áóäåò - äåâèç âðà÷à ÐÔ.
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Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #95  
Ñòàðûé 19.07.2023, 10:39
Àâàòàð äëÿ Melnichenko
Melnichenko Melnichenko âíå ôîðóìà
ÂÐÀ×
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 26.07.2001
Ãîðîä: Ìîñêâà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 117,370
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 26
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 33,651 ðàç(à) çà 32,725 ñîîáùåíèé
Melnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Eli Lilly announced plans to buy obesity drug developer Versanisopens in a new tab or window for $1.93 billion during early-stage trials of its investigational drug bimagrumabopens in a new tab or window -- a first-in-class monoclonal antibody that binds activin type II A and B receptors, which reduces fat mass and increases lean muscle mass in patients with obesity and type 2 diabetes.

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FilippovaYulia îäîáðèë(à):
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Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #96  
Ñòàðûé 19.07.2023, 12:22
Àâàòàð äëÿ FilippovaYulia
FilippovaYulia FilippovaYulia âíå ôîðóìà
ÂÐÀ×
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 30.01.2011
Ãîðîä: Âîëãîãðàä
Ñîîáùåíèé: 15,446
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 17
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 6,379 ðàç(à) çà 6,135 ñîîáùåíèé
FilippovaYulia ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFilippovaYulia ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFilippovaYulia ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFilippovaYulia ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFilippovaYulia ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFilippovaYulia ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFilippovaYulia ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFilippovaYulia ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFilippovaYulia ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFilippovaYulia ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFilippovaYulia ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Ìîíîêëîíàëüíûå àíòèòåëà ïðèìåíÿþòñÿ â ëå÷åíèè ÝÎÏ, ãèïåðõîëåñòåðèíåìèè, èññëåäóþòñÿ äëÿ ëå÷åíèÿ àðòåðèàëüíîé ãèïåðòîíèè - âîïðîñ èõ ïðèìåíåíèÿ â ëå÷åíèè îæèðåíèÿ è ñàõàðíîãî äèàáåòà ÿâíî áûë âîïðîñîì òîëüêî âðåìåíè è ðàçðàáîòêè ïðåïàðàòà.

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Melnichenko îäîáðèë(à):
Korzun îäîáðèë(à): ïîâñþäó îíè, òîëüêî ïîñïåâàé èçó÷àòü...
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×òîáû ïîñòàâèòü äèàãíîç íåïðàâèëüíî, íàäî èìåòü îñîáûé òàëàíò è ïðåìíîãî ïîñòàðàòüñÿ: ñäåëàòü ÌÐÒ è ÊÒ âñåõ ëþáîïûòíûõ ìåñò áîëüíîãî, ðåíòãåíîâñêèå ñíèìêè îò ãîëîâû äî ïÿò, àíàëèçû âñåõ áèîæèäêîñòåé, ïðèãëàñèòü ïÿòîê-äðóãîé êîíñóëüòàíòîâ… Ñàì ÷åðò ïîòîì âî âñåì ýòîì íå ðàçáåðåòñÿ! Ï. Ðóäè÷
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #97  
Ñòàðûé 20.08.2023, 19:46
Àâàòàð äëÿ Melnichenko
Melnichenko Melnichenko âíå ôîðóìà
ÂÐÀ×
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 26.07.2001
Ãîðîä: Ìîñêâà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 117,370
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 26
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 33,651 ðàç(à) çà 32,725 ñîîáùåíèé
Melnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
The FDA approved the oral retinoid palovarotene (Sohonos) for treating abnormal bone growth associated with fibrodysplasia ossificans progressiva (FOP), drugmaker Ipsen announcedopens in a new tab or window on Wednesday.

Palovarotene, a selective retinoic acid receptor gamma agonist, is indicated for reducing the volume of new heterotopic ossification in adults and children: boys ages 10 years and up and girls ages 8 and up.

FOP is an ultra-rare, progressive disease that affects an estimated 400 people in the U.S., according to the company. It is characterized by episodes of rapid bone growth that can seriously impede patients' mobility and daily function, including their ability to eat, drink, or use the restroom independently.

Most patients need a wheelchair by the age of 30, and the disease can significantly shorten lives -- bone growth around the rib cage can result in breathing problems and cardiorespiratory failure.

"As a clinician caring for patients with FOP, I personally see the daily challenges and stresses that our patients and their families must contend with," Edward Hsiao, MD, PhD, of the University of California San Francisco, said in a statement.

Approval of palovarotene was based on findings from the single-arm, open-label phase III MOVE studyopens in a new tab or window, which included 107 adult and pediatric patients with FOP. Treatment with the retinoid reduced annualized heterotopic ossification volume compared with a natural history study, where patients received standard care but without the drug.

"The published phase III MOVE study showed that Sohonos can decrease new heterotopic ossification, and that palovarotene can be tolerated by many patients with FOP," said Hsiao, an investigator on the study.

But the drug is not for everyone, he cautioned.

"As with all medicines there are risks, in this case especially for young children who may develop early growth plate closure," he said. "In addition, Sohonos has the same side effects as other retinoids, including dryness of the skin and mucus membranes. However, since the accumulation of [heterotopic ossification] in FOP is progressive, irreversible, and life altering, this medication is an important treatment option for our FOP community."

While there were data issuesopens in a new tab or window with the trial, the FDA's Endocrinologic and Metabolic Drugs Advisory Committee largely agreed earlier this year that palovarotene's benefits outweighed its risksopens in a new tab or window for patients with this debilitating condition.

The most common adverse events in MOVE included dry skin, lip dryness, alopecia, drug eruption, rash, pruritus, arthralgia, and premature growth plate closure in children.

In the FDA's announcementopens in a new tab or window, the agency recommended that pediatric patients be monitored for linear growth due to the risk for premature growth plate closure.

"Before taking Sohonos, all growing pediatric patients should undergo skeletal maturity baseline assessments. Continued monitoring is recommended every 6 to 12 months until patients reach skeletal maturity or final adult height," the FDA said.

Palovarotene is contraindicated in pregnant patients and people with a known allergy to retinoids. Prescribing informationopens in a new tab or window for the drug also includes warnings and precautions related to the premature epiphyseal closure in growing pediatric patients, mucocutaneous side effects, metabolic bone disorders, psychiatric disorders, and night blindness. Given the risk of metabolic bone disorders, patients should periodically be radiologically assessed for spinal fractures, according to the FDA.

The drug can be prescribed immediately to eligible patients, Ipsen said. Palovarotene's recommended dosing is 5 mg daily for adults and kids 14 and older (or the weight-based equivalent for younger patients). The dose can also be modified to deal with flare-up symptoms.
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Ã.À. Ìåëüíè÷åíêî
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #98  
Ñòàðûé 02.09.2023, 13:01
Àâàòàð äëÿ Melnichenko
Melnichenko Melnichenko âíå ôîðóìà
ÂÐÀ×
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 26.07.2001
Ãîðîä: Ìîñêâà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 117,370
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 26
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 33,651 ðàç(à) çà 32,725 ñîîáùåíèé
Melnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Íå çàáûòü ( ìîæåò, âñå òàêè ïðèäåò â ñòðàíó) Òèðçåïàòèä óëó÷øàåò àáñîðáöèþ òèðîêñèíà åùå äî ñíèæåíèÿ ìàññû

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FilippovaYulia îäîáðèë(à):
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Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #99  
Ñòàðûé 12.09.2023, 19:38
Àâàòàð äëÿ Melnichenko
Melnichenko Melnichenko âíå ôîðóìà
ÂÐÀ×
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 26.07.2001
Ãîðîä: Ìîñêâà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 117,370
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 26
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 33,651 ðàç(à) çà 32,725 ñîîáùåíèé
Melnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
À âîò è ïåðâûå íåïðèÿòíûå íîâîñòè.
ÀíåñòåçèîëîãèÑØÀ ðåêîìåíäóþò ìèíèìóì çà íåäåëþ äî ïëàíîâûõ îïåðàöèé îòìåíÿòü àãîíèñòûGLP1 ( ïëîõîå îïîðîæíåíèå æåëóäêà, àñïèðàöèè) Íî îïåðàöèè íå âñåãäà ïëàíîâûå

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FilippovaYulia îäîáðèë(à): Îæèäàåìî (ïî ìåõàíèçìó äåéñòâèÿ)
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Ã.À. Ìåëüíè÷åíêî
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #100  
Ñòàðûé 12.09.2023, 21:28
Àâàòàð äëÿ Melnichenko
Melnichenko Melnichenko âíå ôîðóìà
ÂÐÀ×
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 26.07.2001
Ãîðîä: Ìîñêâà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 117,370
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 26
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 33,651 ðàç(à) çà 32,725 ñîîáùåíèé
Melnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Îæèäàåìî, íî íåïðèÿòíî- è, ãëàâíîå, ïîêà íå ïðîèçîéäåò , ñàì íå äîäóìàåøüñÿ
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Ã.À. Ìåëüíè÷åíêî
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #101  
Ñòàðûé 12.09.2023, 22:18
ELENA_VLAD ELENA_VLAD íà ôîðóìå
ÂÐÀ×
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 24.07.2008
Ãîðîä: Êðàñíîÿðñê
Ñîîáùåíèé: 6,987
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 278
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 2,143 ðàç(à) çà 2,068 ñîîáùåíèé
ELENA_VLAD ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåELENA_VLAD ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåELENA_VLAD ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåELENA_VLAD ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåELENA_VLAD ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåELENA_VLAD ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåELENA_VLAD ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåELENA_VLAD ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåELENA_VLAD ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåELENA_VLAD ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåELENA_VLAD ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Íàóòðî äàæå ïîñëå Âèêòîçû â÷åðàøíÿÿ ïèùà íà ÔÃÑ â æåëóäêå ïðèñóòñòâîâàëà çà÷àñòóþ

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Melnichenko îäîáðèë(à):
FilippovaYulia îäîáðèë(à):
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #102  
Ñòàðûé 10.10.2023, 20:15
Àâàòàð äëÿ Melnichenko
Melnichenko Melnichenko âíå ôîðóìà
ÂÐÀ×
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 26.07.2001
Ãîðîä: Ìîñêâà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 117,370
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 26
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 33,651 ðàç(à) çà 32,725 ñîîáùåíèé
Melnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Îáàëäåòü! ISGLT ïðåäëîæèëè èñïîëüçîâàòü ïðè SIAD ! È ïîëó÷èëîñü!

Êîììåíòàðèè ê ñîîáùåíèþ:
FilippovaYulia îäîáðèë(à): À âîò ýòî íåîæèäàííî!
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Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #103  
Ñòàðûé 11.10.2023, 05:16
ghrh44 ghrh44 âíå ôîðóìà
ÂÐÀ×
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 21.07.2014
Ãîðîä: N-sk
Ñîîáùåíèé: 3,977
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 2,039 ðàç(à) çà 1,883 ñîîáùåíèé
ghrh44 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåghrh44 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåghrh44 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåghrh44 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåghrh44 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåghrh44 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåghrh44 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåghrh44 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåghrh44 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåghrh44 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåghrh44 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Äà, òàêè äîâîëüíî èíòåðåñíàÿ ðàáîòà, èñïîëüçóþùàÿ ëåêàðñòâî, óòâåðæä¸ííîå äëÿ ÑÄ2 êàê îòíîñèòåëüíî ýôôåêòèâíîå ñðåäñòâî äëÿ ëå÷åíèÿ SIADH.

doi: 10.1681/ASN.2019090944

Ýòî àíàëîã èñòîðèè ñèëüäåíàôèëà äëÿ ãèïåðòîíèè, ñòàâøåì çíàìåíèòîé " Ãîëóáîé Òàáëåòêîé" ó ìóæ÷èí ñ ýðåêòèëüíîé äèñôóíêöèåé è ìèíîêñèäèëà ( òîæå àíòèãèïåðòåíñèâíîå ëåêàðñòâî) â ðàçû îáîøåäøåì ñâî¸ îðèãèíàëüíîå íàçíà÷åíèå êàê ñðåäñòâî îò îáëûñåíèÿ. Íå çàáóäåì òàêæå àñïèðèí ( âìåñòî æàðîïîíèæàþùåãî ñòàâøèì àíòèòðîìáîòèêîì). Ïîáî÷íîå äåéñòâèå ìîæåò ñòàòü î÷åíü öåííûì ïîêàçàíèåì äëÿ äðóãîé áîëåçíè.

Íî ÿ ñîâåòóþ òàêæå ïðî÷åñòü ïðåâîñõîäíûé àíàëèç ýòîé ñòàòüè â òîì æå íîìåðå æóðíàëà. Ðåäêî ÿ âèäåë òàêóþ òùàòåëüíóþ è âäóì÷èâóþ êðèòèêó!

doi: 10.1159/000509082

 çàêëþ÷åíèå àâòîðû ýòîé ðåöåíçèè ïðåäîñòåðåãàþò îò ðóòèííîãî ïðèìåíåíèÿ ýìïàãëèôëîçèíà ïðè ãèïîíàòðåìèè. Ñëèøêîì ðàíî .



Îðèãèíàëüíàÿ ñòàòüÿ áûëà îïóáëèêîâàíà â Ìàðòå 2020. Òðè ñ ïîëîâèíîé ãîäà ïîçæå ÿ íå íàø¸ë íè îäíîé ñòàòüè, ïîäòâåðæäàþùåé îðèãèíàëüíóþ íàõîäêó. Ðàçâå ÷òî îäèí ñëó÷àé, ãäå ãèïîíàòðåìèÿ ÷àñòè÷íî êîíòðîëèðîâàëàñü ìî÷åâèíîé è äîáàâêà ýìïàãëèôëîçèíà íîðìàëèçîâàëà íàòðèé. Íî... ïîïûòêà îòìåíû ìî÷åâèíû è ïðîäîëæåíèÿ ýìïàãëèôëîçèíà ïðèâåëà ê âîçâðàòó ãèïîíàòðåìèè :-(((

DOI: 10.1007/s42000-023-00430-0

Àâòîðû ðåöåíçèè ìîãëè áûòü ïðàâû. Íî ïîïûòêó èñïîëüçîâàòü ýìïàãëèôëîçèí ó áîëüíûõ ñ îñòðûì SIADH ïîñëå îïåðàöèè íà ãèïîôèçå ñòîèëî áû ñäåëàòü. Åñëè ïîëó÷èòñÿ, ëå÷åíèå èõ ñìîæåò ïðîõîäèòü â îáû÷íîé ïàëàòå âìåñòî ðåàíèìàöèè, è îáëåã÷èò æèçíü îðäèíàòîðàì, êîòîðûõ áóäÿò ñðåäè íî÷è áåæàòü â áîëüíèöó èç-çà íàòðèÿ 125:-)

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FilippovaYulia îäîáðèë(à):
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Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #104  
Ñòàðûé 06.12.2023, 15:41
Àâàòàð äëÿ Melnichenko
Melnichenko Melnichenko âíå ôîðóìà
ÂÐÀ×
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 26.07.2001
Ãîðîä: Ìîñêâà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 117,370
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 26
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 33,651 ðàç(à) çà 32,725 ñîîáùåíèé
Melnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Pemvidutide (2.4 mg), an investigational GLP-1/glucagon dual receptor agonistopens in a new tab or window, helped people with obesity achieve an average 15.6% weight loss after 48 weeks in the phase II MOMENTUM trial, developer Altimmune announced.

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FilippovaYulia îäîáðèë(à):
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