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Îïöèè òåìû Ïîèñê â ýòîé òåìå Îïöèè ïðîñìîòðà
  #1096  
Ñòàðûé 24.01.2007, 21:25
Dtver Dtver âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Êàíäèäàò â âåòåðàíû ôîðóìà
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 04.03.2004
Ãîðîä: ÐÔ, Òâåðü
Ñîîáùåíèé: 1,651
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 2
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 19 ðàç(à) çà 19 ñîîáùåíèé
Dtver ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDtver ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDtver ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDtver ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDtver ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDtver ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDtver ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDtver ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDtver ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDtver ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDtver ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Êàê òî "ìåíÿ òåðçàþò ñìóòíûå ñîìíåíèÿ". Ïî êëèíèêå, êîíå÷íî, ïîõîæå íà IBD. Íî ôîðìàëüíî ìû èìååì äåëî ñ Acute Inflammatory Diarrhea, çíà÷èò, âûáèðàþ Ñ.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #1097  
Ñòàðûé 24.01.2007, 21:48
Àâàòàð äëÿ riltsov
riltsov riltsov âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Âåòåðàí ôîðóìà
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 17.01.2005
Ãîðîä: Õàðüêîâ, Óêðàèíà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 4,054
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 2
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 649 ðàç(à) çà 631 ñîîáùåíèé
riltsov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåriltsov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåriltsov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåriltsov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåriltsov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåriltsov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåriltsov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåriltsov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåriltsov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåriltsov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåriltsov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò Dtver
Êàê òî "ìåíÿ òåðçàþò ñìóòíûå ñîìíåíèÿ". Ïî êëèíèêå, êîíå÷íî, ïîõîæå íà IBD. Íî ôîðìàëüíî ìû èìååì äåëî ñ Acute Inflammatory Diarrhea, çíà÷èò, âûáèðàþ Ñ.
Êñòàòè, ñàì èçíà÷àëüíî èìåííî ïîýòîìó õîòåë îñòàíîâèòüñÿ íà âàðèàíòå Ñ. Íî ðåçóëüòàò ïîñåâà áóäåò íåñêîðî, ðåçóëüòàò ÊÒ ñòàíåò î÷åâèäíûì ñðàçó. Ïðèçíàêè IBD â àíàìíåçå èãíîðèðîâàòü íå ñòîèò. Ó ýòîãî ïàöèåíòà ìîæåò áûòü îñëîæíåíèå IBD.
ß âûáèðàþ ÊÒ.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #1098  
Ñòàðûé 24.01.2007, 22:55
Dtver Dtver âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Êàíäèäàò â âåòåðàíû ôîðóìà
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 04.03.2004
Ãîðîä: ÐÔ, Òâåðü
Ñîîáùåíèé: 1,651
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 2
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 19 ðàç(à) çà 19 ñîîáùåíèé
Dtver ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDtver ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDtver ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDtver ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDtver ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDtver ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDtver ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDtver ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDtver ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDtver ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDtver ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Óâàæàåìûé Àëåêñàíäð Þðüåâè÷, Âû ïóòàåòå: â àíàìíåçå ó ïàöèåíòà "irritable bowel syndrome".  ýòîé ñâÿçè î÷åíü ñèëüíî íå õâàòàåò èíôîðìàöèè î òîì, êàê âåäóò ñåáÿ òåêóùèå áîëè ïî íî÷àì, íàðóøåí ëè ñîí, íî ëèõîðàäêà âñå ðàâíî çàñòàâëÿåò ïðåäïîëîæèòü ÷òî òî áîëåå ñåðüåçíîå, ÷åì IBS (ÑÐÊ ïî íàøåìó).

Ïîäîæäåì ßíó ñ îòâåòîì
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #1099  
Ñòàðûé 25.01.2007, 03:57
Àâàòàð äëÿ yananshs
yananshs yananshs âíå ôîðóìà Ïîë æåíñêèé
çàáàíåí
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 25.02.2003
Ãîðîä: NY
Ñîîáùåíèé: 9,664
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 15
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 56 ðàç(à) çà 51 ñîîáùåíèé
yananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåyananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåyananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåyananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåyananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåyananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåyananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåyananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåyananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåyananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåyananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
The correct answer is E. Although this patient carries the diagnosis of irritable bowel syndrome, his presentation on this occasion has some elements that are concerning. In particular his fever and impressive abdominal examination coupled with his diarrhea and pain raise a high suspicion for an acute abdomen of some variety. This process may or may not be related to any existing abdominal pathology that this patient may have. He requires imaging of his abdomen to rule out an acute abdominal process such as abscess, pancreatitis, appendicitis, or even colitis.

Prescribing corticosteroids (choice A) or loperamide (choice B) and seeing the patient in two weeks presumes that this presentation has a similar etiology to his past presentations. Again, the impressive abdominal examination and fever makes the likelihood of this being related simply to irritable bowel syndrome very unlikely.

A stool Gram stain and culture (choice C) would be useful, but not more so than abdominal imaging.

Arranging for an immediate colonoscopy (choice D) is not correct for two reasons. First, the bowel preparation required for a good study doesn't make this test useful for acute situations. Secondly, the test limits visualization of possible etiologies to those that affect the large bowel.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #1100  
Ñòàðûé 25.01.2007, 03:59
Àâàòàð äëÿ yananshs
yananshs yananshs âíå ôîðóìà Ïîë æåíñêèé
çàáàíåí
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 25.02.2003
Ãîðîä: NY
Ñîîáùåíèé: 9,664
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 15
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 56 ðàç(à) çà 51 ñîîáùåíèé
yananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåyananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåyananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåyananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåyananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåyananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåyananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåyananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåyananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåyananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåyananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
A 31-year-old man with insulin dependent diabetes mellitus is admitted to the hospital because of a severe diabetic crisis. His wife reports that over the past few days he has developed "the flu." During that time, his blood sugars had become much more difficult to manage despite diligent attention. She states that over the past 24 hours his sugars have been above 500 mg/dL despite insulin and diet control, that have always controlled the sugars in the past. The patient began to breathe very fast in the last 8 hours and he has become somewhat confused in the past 4 hours. His temperature is 38.0 C (99.6 F), blood pressure is 140/85 mm Hg, pulse is 88/min, and respirations are 24/min. His urine is 4+ for ketones and sugar. A fingerstick blood glucose reveals a blood sugar of 850 mg/dL. An arterial blood gas would most likely show:
A. PaCO2 14 mm Hg, pH 7.12, PaO2 60 mm Hg
B. PaCO2 14 mm Hg, pH 7.22, PaO2 90 mm Hg
C. PaCO2 14 mm Hg, pH 7.38, PaO22 90 mm Hg
D. PaCO22 35 mm Hg, pH 7.36, PaO2 90 mm Hg
E. PaCO2 68 mm Hg, pH 6.80, PaO2 60 mm Hg
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #1101  
Ñòàðûé 25.01.2007, 05:59
papadoctor papadoctor âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Êàíäèäàò â âåòåðàíû ôîðóìà
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 27.03.2005
Ãîðîä: USA
Ñîîáùåíèé: 1,685
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 1 ðàç çà 1 ñîîáùåíèå
papadoctor ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåpapadoctor ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåpapadoctor ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåpapadoctor ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåpapadoctor ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåpapadoctor ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåpapadoctor ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåpapadoctor ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåpapadoctor ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåpapadoctor ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåpapadoctor ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
"×òî-òî ñëûøèòüñÿ ðîäíîå" (Ñ). Ãäå íåäåëþ íàçàä ïîäîáíîìó êàäðó ïðîâîäèëè àïïåíäåêòîìèþ ïî ïîâîäó ãàíãðåíîçíîãî àïïåíäèöèòà. Äî 850 ñàõåð íåäîòÿíóë,- áûë ìåíåå 700, íî íå íàìíîãî!
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #1102  
Ñòàðûé 25.01.2007, 06:48
Àâàòàð äëÿ riltsov
riltsov riltsov âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Âåòåðàí ôîðóìà
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 17.01.2005
Ãîðîä: Õàðüêîâ, Óêðàèíà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 4,054
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 2
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 649 ðàç(à) çà 631 ñîîáùåíèé
riltsov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåriltsov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåriltsov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåriltsov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåriltsov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåriltsov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåriltsov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåriltsov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåriltsov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåriltsov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåriltsov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Ê ñîæàëåíèþ, ïî ýòîé çàäà÷êå àðãóìåíòèðîâàíî ðàññóæäàòü íå ìîãó. Ïîëîæóñü íà èíòóèöèþ, âûáåðó âàðèàíò ñ ñàìûì íèçêèì ðÍ.
E. PaCO2 68 mm Hg, pH 6.80, PaO2 60 mm Hg

Êîììåíòàðèè ê ñîîáùåíèþ:
papadoctor îäîáðèë(à): Nobody predicts ABG results in real life, but you got enough clues and the correct answer!
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #1103  
Ñòàðûé 25.01.2007, 11:11
Aladdyn Aladdyn âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Çàñëóæåííûé ó÷àñòíèê
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 16.07.2006
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Aladdyn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAladdyn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAladdyn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAladdyn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAladdyn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAladdyn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAladdyn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAladdyn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAladdyn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAladdyn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAladdyn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
B. PaCO2 14 mm Hg, pH 7.22, PaO2 90 mm Hg
Ìíå êàæåòñÿ, ÷òî íå Å ïîòîìó, ÷òî è àöèäîç íå ïðåäåëüíûé äîëæåí áûòü (òàêîé ñêîðåå äëÿ îòðàâëåíèÿ ìåòàíîëîì õàðàêòåðåí), è êîìïåíñàòîðíûé ðåñïèðàòîðíûé àëêàëîç äîëæåí ðàçâèâàòüñÿ ïðè íàëè÷èè Êóññìàóëÿ, è ãèïîêñèè áûòü íå äîëæíî. Õîòÿ ÿ òîæå, êîíå÷íî, íå ýíäîêðèíîëîã, ìîãó îøèáàòüñÿ.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #1104  
Ñòàðûé 25.01.2007, 12:22
Anton Verbine Anton Verbine âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
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Anton Verbine ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAnton Verbine ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAnton Verbine ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAnton Verbine ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAnton Verbine ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAnton Verbine ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAnton Verbine ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAnton Verbine ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAnton Verbine ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAnton Verbine ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAnton Verbine ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò Aladdyn
B. PaCO2 14 mm Hg, pH 7.22, PaO2 90 mm Hg
... è ãèïîêñèè áûòü íå äîëæíî. .
V principe, logichno. Molodoj paren' s diabetom- tiabet 1-go tipa- ketoacidoz. Ishem metabolicheskij acidoz. Teper' ostalos' vybrat' iz dvuh- acidoz pomen'she- i bez gipoksii, ili- acidoz pobol'she, i s nekotoroj gipoksiej.
Ja by vybral pobol'she, i s gipoksiej- A., t.k, vo- pervyh, zdorovyj do jetogo chelovek- "sputalsja", a vo-vtoryh- s chego-to jeto dolzhno bylo nachat'sja- byli kakie-to simptomy so storony respir. sistemy- pochemu by ne pnevmonija?

Êîììåíòàðèè ê ñîîáùåíèþ:
Aladdyn îäîáðèë(à): Äà, åñëè íà ôîíå ïíåâìîíèè, òî À. Íî ïíåâìîíèÿ êàê ïðè÷èíà ãèïîêñèè äîëæíà áûòü ìàññèâíîé, à çà ýòî äàííûõ â çàäà÷êå ìàëîâàòî.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #1105  
Ñòàðûé 26.01.2007, 17:04
Àâàòàð äëÿ yananshs
yananshs yananshs âíå ôîðóìà Ïîë æåíñêèé
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yananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåyananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåyananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåyananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåyananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåyananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåyananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåyananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåyananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåyananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåyananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
The correct answer is B. When looking at arterial blood gases, examine the pH to identify the acid-base disturbance and then determine whether the acid-base disturbance is respiratory (change in CO2) or metabolic. The relationship between PaCO2 and pH determines whether the condition is acute or chronic. Chronic conditions have a pH closer to 7.4 than would be predicted based upon PCO2 because of compensation. This patient has diabetic ketoacidosis. This condition occurs when some event "pushes" the patient over the edge and they are unable to regulate glucose balance. Typical events include infection or stress. For this man, his primary problem is a metabolic acidosis that will cause him to hyperventilate to compensate for. His oxygenation will be essentially normal since he has no pulmonary pathology: PaCO2 14 mm Hg, pH 7.22, and PaO2 90 mm Hg.

A PaCO2 of 14 mm Hg, pH of 7.12, and PaO2 of 60 mm Hg (choice A) reflects a profound metabolic acidosis with hypoxemia. This is not DKA but perhaps a condition such as sepsis or cyanide poisoning.

A PaCO2 of 14 mm Hg, pH 7.38, and PaO2 90mm Hg (choice C) represents a chronic acidosis. The pH is mildly acidic with a very low PaCO2. For this PaCO2, the patient should be alkalotic, but since he is not, it must have increased the pH from a very low level to near normal. This is the hallmark of a compensated metabolic acidosis. This can be seen with conditions such as Type I and II renal tubular acidosis.

A PaCO2 of 35 mmHg, pH 7.36, and PaO2 of 90 mm Hg (choice D) is a compensated metabolic acidosis. The PaCO2 is nearly normal which suggests the acidosis is mild. Such mild acidosis can occur with specific renal tubular disorders or with chronic diarrhea.

A PaCO2 of 68 mmHg, pH 6.80, and PaO2 of 60 mm Hg (choice E) represents a combined metabolic/respiratory acidosis. The patient has a severe acidosis (pH), the expected PaCO2 should be low to compensate. Instead, it is high. The patient also has hypoxemia. This is typical of severe respiratory failure. Hypoxia causes a metabolic acidosis and the pulmonary system cannot compensate.
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  #1106  
Ñòàðûé 26.01.2007, 17:07
Àâàòàð äëÿ yananshs
yananshs yananshs âíå ôîðóìà Ïîë æåíñêèé
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yananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåyananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåyananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåyananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåyananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåyananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåyananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåyananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåyananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåyananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåyananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
A 27-year-old man comes to the emergency department because of an "exquisitely painful" scrotum. He says that he was walking to lunch with friends when the pain hit him "like a thunderclap." He says that he has a steady girlfriend and that they have an "active sex life." He is "very healthy" and has never experienced pain like this before. He regularly checks himself "there" after that young comedian underwent testicular surgery on television. His temperature is 37 C (98.6 F), blood pressure is 130/85 mm Hg, pulse is 86/min, and respirations are 19/min. Physical examination shows severe scrotal tenderness that is not relieved when the scrotum is elevated. The right testes is high in the scrotum and riding in a horizontal position. The cord above the testes is not tender. A urinalysis shows:

Color straw/light Microscopic
Specific gravity 1.020 WBC 4/hpf
pH 5.8 Glucose absent
Protein absent Bacteria absent

The most appropriate next step is to
A. administer ciprofloxacin, intravenously
B. apply ice packs and observe in the emergency department
C. measure serum HCG and AFP
D. perform a trans-scrotal testicular biopsy
E. request a urology consultation, STAT
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #1107  
Ñòàðûé 26.01.2007, 18:22
Àâàòàð äëÿ riltsov
riltsov riltsov âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Âåòåðàí ôîðóìà
      
 
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riltsov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåriltsov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåriltsov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåriltsov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåriltsov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåriltsov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåriltsov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåriltsov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåriltsov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåriltsov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåriltsov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Çàâîðîò ÿè÷êà.
E. request a urology consultation, STAT

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yananshs îäîáðèë(à):
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #1108  
Ñòàðûé 26.01.2007, 18:24
vosk vosk âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Íà÷èíàþùèé ó÷àñòíèê
 
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vosk ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò îòëè÷íóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
ñóäÿ ïî îïèñàíèþ, ïîõîæå íà testicular torsion. êàê æå ýòî ó óðîëîãîâ ïî-ðóññêè íàçûâàåòñÿ? â îáùåì, äóìàþ íàäî èõ è âûçâàòü, ïóñòü òàì ðàçâîðà÷èâàþò êàê ïîëîæåíî.

E. request a urology consultation, STAT

Dmitry Voskovets
PS: à ÷òî òàêîå STAT?

Êîììåíòàðèè ê ñîîáùåíèþ:
yananshs îäîáðèë(à):
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #1109  
Ñòàðûé 26.01.2007, 18:27
Àâàòàð äëÿ riltsov
riltsov riltsov âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Âåòåðàí ôîðóìà
      
 
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riltsov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåriltsov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåriltsov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåriltsov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåriltsov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåriltsov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåriltsov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåriltsov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåriltsov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåriltsov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåriltsov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò vosk
PS: à ÷òî òàêîå STAT?
Ñ ïîìîùüþ èíòåðíåòà íàøåë îòâåò íà ýòîò âîïðîñ.
Statim = 'Immediately' in Latin. 'STAT' is a medical abbreviation implying urgent or rush
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #1110  
Ñòàðûé 26.01.2007, 18:42
Àâàòàð äëÿ yananshs
yananshs yananshs âíå ôîðóìà Ïîë æåíñêèé
çàáàíåí
      
 
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yananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåyananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåyananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåyananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåyananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåyananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåyananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåyananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåyananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåyananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåyananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
The correct answer is E. This patient has the classic presentation of testicular torsion, which is a surgical emergency, and therefore requires an immediate urologic consultation. He requires surgical intervention to reverse the spermatic cord torsion and restore blood flow.

Antibiotics, such a ciprofloxacin (choice A) are necessary to treat epididymitis, which typically presents with scrotal pain, fever, pyuria, a tender cord, and a normal positioned testes. Elevation of the testes may somewhat relieve the pain. Ice packs, bed rest, antiinflammatory agents, and scrotal support are typically used in conjunction with the antibiotics.

Applying ice packs and observing him in the emergency department (choice B) is inappropriate management of testicular torsion, which requires immediate urologic consultation.

Measuring serum HCG and AFP (choice C) is part of the evaluation for testicular cancer, which typically presents as a painless mass. If tenderness is present, it is often dull and aching, rarely acute and "exquisitely painful."

Performing a trans-scrotal testicular biopsy (choice D) is not useful in testicular torsion, which is a surgical emergency, and therefore requires an immediate urologic consultation. A trans-scrotal testicular biopsy is usually avoided, even if a testicular malignancy is suspected, to prevent potential tumor contamination of the lymphatics.
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