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Íåâðîëîãèÿ è íåéðîõèðóðãèÿ Ôîðóìû: Ôîðóì äëÿ îáùåíèÿ âðà÷åé íåâðîëîãîâ è íåéðîõèðóðãîâ, Ìàíóàëüíàÿ òåðàïèÿ

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Îïöèè òåìû Ïîèñê â ýòîé òåìå Îïöèè ïðîñìîòðà
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Ñòàðûé 03.02.2006, 21:16
Beta Beta âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Íà÷èíàþùèé ó÷àñòíèê
 
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Question Íåéðîïàòèÿ ëèöåâîãî íåðâà

Äîáðîå âðåìÿ ñóòîê.
Ó ìîåãî ìóæà â÷åðà ïîÿâèëîñü îíåìåíèå ëåâîé ÷àñòè ëèöà, ÿçûêà, ïåðåêàøèâàíèå ðòà ïðè ïîïûòêå îòêðûòü ðîò, íåïîëíîå çàêðûâàíèå ëåâîãî ãëàçà, ïðè çàæìóðèâàíèè ðåñíèöû ñëåâà âèäíû.
Óñòàíàâëåí äèàãíîç íåâðèò ëèöåâîãî íåðâà. Íàçíà÷åíû ñëåäóþùèå ïðåïàðàòû: äåêñàìåòàçîí, îðòîôåí, ìèëüãàììà, ïèðàöåòàì â èíúåêöèÿõ, ôóðîñåìèä, áåðëèòèîí âíòóðü, ãèìíàñòèêà, ïëàñòûðü.
ß íàõîæóñü íà äëèííîì ïðîòîêîëå â ïðîãðàììå ÝÊÎ. ×åðåç 5-7 äíåé (8-9 ôåâðàëÿ) ïëàíèðóåòñÿ ïóíêöèÿ ôîëëèêóëîâ è âçÿòèå ñïåðìû ó ìóæà.
Âîïðîñû:
1. Íà âàø âçãëÿä, îïàñíî ëè çàáîëåâàíèå (íåâðèò ëèöåâîãî íåðâà) è âëÿåò ëè îíî íà êà÷åñòâî ñïåðìû?
2. Íåîáõîäèìî ëè åãî (çàáîëåâàíèå) ëå÷èòü? Âåäü ïî ëèòåðàòóðíûì äàííûì 80-90% áîëüíûõ èçëå÷èâàþòñÿ ñàìîïðîèçâîëüíî. Òàê ëè ýòî ïðàêòè÷åñêè?
3. Ëåêàðñòâåííûå ïðåïàðàòû âëèÿþò íà êà÷åñòâî èëè "çäîðîâüå" ñïåðìû. Ìîæíî ëè ïðåïàðàòû îòìåíèòü íà êîðîòêèé ñðîê ïåðåä ñäà÷åé ñïåðìû? íå îòðàçèòñÿ ëè ýòî íà èçëå÷åíèè? Çà êàêîé ìèíèìàëüíûé ñðîê íóæíî îòìåíèòü ïðåïàðàòû, ÷òîáû âîññòàíîâèòü êà÷åñòâî ñïåðìû?
Çàðàíåå áëàãîäàðíà çà âíèìàíèå, è æäó îòâåòîâ è ïîäñêàçîê â íàøåé íåïðîñòîé ñèòóàöèè.
Ëåíà
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Ñòàðûé 03.02.2006, 22:09
efns efns âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
çàáàíåí
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 16.01.2006
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Ñîîáùåíèé: 284
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 23
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 16 ðàç(à) çà 16 ñîîáùåíèé
efns ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåefns ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Âñå ïðåïàðàòû, íàçíà÷åííûå âàøåìó ìóæó , íå èñïîëüçóþòñÿ äëÿ ëå÷åíèÿ äàííîé ïàòîëîãèè. Åãî íàäî õîðîøî ïîîáñëåäîâàòü. Èùèòå íåâðîëîãà.

Êîììåíòàðèè ê ñîîáùåíèþ:
Mikhail îäîáðèë(à):
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Ñòàðûé 03.02.2006, 22:52
Beta Beta âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Íà÷èíàþùèé ó÷àñòíèê
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 26.10.2005
Ãîðîä: Tatarstan
Ñîîáùåíèé: 70
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 14
Beta *
íåéðîïàòèÿ ëèöåâîãî íåðâà

Äåëî â òîì, ÷òî âñå ëå÷åíèå áûëî íàçíà÷åíî íåâðîëîãîì. Åãî òàê æå îñìîòðåë ëîð âðà÷ è èñêëþ÷èë ëîð ïàòîëîãèþ
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Ñòàðûé 04.02.2006, 11:19
EVP EVP âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Âåòåðàí ôîðóìà
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 08.07.2004
Ãîðîä: Êèðîâ
Ñîîáùåíèé: 7,190
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 9
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 992 ðàç(à) çà 975 ñîîáùåíèé
EVP ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåEVP ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåEVP ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåEVP ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåEVP ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåEVP ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåEVP ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåEVP ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåEVP ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåEVP ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåEVP ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Óâàæàåìàÿ Beta, ïàðàëè÷ Áåëëà èëè íåéðîïàòèÿ ëèöåâîãî íåðâà âñòðå÷àåòñÿ ñ ÷àñòîòîé 20-30 ñëó÷àåâ íà 100 òûñ. ÷åëîâåê â ãîä, 60-75% èç íèõ- ýòî îäíîñòîðîííèé ïàðàëè÷. Íåò ðàçëè÷èÿ ìåæäó ìóæ÷èíàìè è æåíùèíàìè ïî çàáîëåâàåìîñòè. Ñðåäíèé âîçðàñò çàáîëåâøèõ îêîëî 40 ëåò, íî çàáîëåâàíèå ìîæåò ïðîèçîéòè, êàê â áîëåå ðàííåì, òàê è â áîëåå ïîçäíåì âîçðàñòå. Ìåíåå ÷àñòî ïàðàëè÷ Áåëëà âñòðå÷àåòñÿ â âîçðàñòå äî 10 ëåò, êîë-âî ñëó÷àåâ óâåëè÷èâàåòñÿ â âîçðàñòå 10-29 ëåò, îñòàåòñÿ ñòàáèëüíûì â 30-69 ëåò è ÿâëÿåòñÿ íàèáîëåå âûñîêèì â âîçðàñòå 70 ëåò è ñòàðøå. Ïðàâàÿ è ëåâàÿ ñòîðîíà ïîðàæàþòñÿ îäèíàêîâî ÷àñòî. Ó áîëüøèíñòâà ïàöèåíòîâ ôóíêöèÿ ëèöåâîé ìóñêóëàòóðû âîññòàíàâëèâàåòñÿ ïîëíîñòüþ, õîòÿ íåêîòîðàÿ ÷àñòü èìååò îñòàâøóþñÿ ñëàáîñòü ìûøö. Íåáëàãîïðèÿòíûå ïðîãíîñòè÷åñêèå ôàêòîðû ýòî ñòàðøàÿ âîçðàñòíàÿ ãðóïïà, àðòåðèàëüíàÿ ãèïåðòîíèÿ, íàðóøåíèå âêóñà, äðóãèå áîëè, êðîìå áîëåé â óõå, ïîëíûé ëèöåâîé ïàðàëè÷.  ïåðâûå òðè äíÿ ýëåêòðîäèàãíîñòèêà íå ïîêàçûâàåò íèêàêèõ èçìåíåíèé â ïîñòðàäàâøèõ ìóñêóëàõ, òîãäà êàê óñòîé÷èâûå èçìåíåíèÿ íàáëþäàþòñÿ íà 4-10 äåíü. Êîãäà ýëåêòðè÷åñêèé îòâåò íåðâà ïîëó÷åí, òî 90% ïàöèåíòîâ âûçäîðàâëèâàþò ïîëíîñòüþ, ïðè îòñóòñòâèè ýë.îòâåòà òîëüêî ó 20% íàáëþäàåòñÿ ïîëíîå âîññòàíîâëåíèå.  áîëüøèíñòâå ñëó÷àåâ ïðè ïåðèôåðè÷åñêîì ïàðàëè÷å ëèöåâîãî íåðâà êàêàÿ-ëèáî î÷åâèäíàÿ ïðè÷èíà åãî âîçíèêíîâåíèÿ îòñóòñòâóåò, ê äðóãèì ïðè÷èíàì, ìåíåå ÷àñòî âñòðå÷àþùèìñÿ ìîæíî îòíåñòè ñàõàðíûé äèàáåò, àðòåðèàëüíàÿ ãèïåðòîíèÿ, ÂÈ× èíôåêöèÿ, áîëåçíü Ëàéìà, ñèíäðîì Ðàìçåÿ-Õàíòà, ñàðêîèäîç, ñèíäðîì Øåãðåíà, ýêëàìïñèÿ, àìèëîèäîç. Ïàðàëè÷ Áåëëà ðåäêî ïîâòîðÿåòñÿ, ðåöèäèâèðóþùèé èëè äâóõñòîðîííèé ïàðàëè÷ äîëæåí âûçâàòü íàñòîðîæåííîñòü â ïëàíå ìèàñòåíèè èëè ïîâðåæäåíèÿ ëèöåâîãî íåðâà íà îñíîâàíèè ìîçãà; òàêèå òèïû ïàðàëè÷à áûâàþò ïðè ëèìôîìå, ñàðêîèäîçå, áîëåçíè Ëàéìà.  ðåäêèõ ñëó÷àÿõ ïàöèåíòû ñ ñèíäðîìîì Ãèéåíà-Áàððå èìåþò íà÷àëî çàáîëåâàíèÿ ñ äâóõñòîðîííåãî ëèöåâîãî ïàðàëè÷à è îòíîñèòåëüíî íåáîëüøîé ñëàáîñòè â êîíå÷íîñòÿõ. Ó ëèö áåç èììóíîäåôèöèòà ñèíäðîì Ðàìçåé-Õàíòà íå ðåöèäèâèðóþùèé è íå äâóõñòîðîííèé.

Ëå÷åíèå.

Ïî ðàçëè÷íûì îöåíêàì îêîëî 71% ïàöèåíòîâ íå ïîëó÷àâøèõ ëå÷åíèå ïîïðàâëÿþòñÿ ïîëíîñòüþ, ó 84% îñòàåòñÿ ìèíèìàëüíàÿ äèñôóíêöèÿ. Òàêèì îáðàçîì 20-30% çàáîëåâøèõ íóæäàþòñÿ â ëå÷åíèè. Ðàçíûå îáúÿñíåíèÿ ñóùåñòâóþò äëÿ ðàííåãî è àãðåññèâíîãî ëå÷åíèÿ. Ñíà÷àëà õèðóðãè, âûïîëíÿþùèå äåêîìïðåññèþ íåðâà, íà ïåðâîå ìåñòî ñòàâèëè îòåê íåðâà, ÷òî ïîäòâåðæäàåòñÿ ðåçóëüòàòàìè ÌÐÒ, ñåé÷àñ ðàññìàòðèâàåòñÿ ðîëü âèðóñà ïðîñòîãî ãåðïåñà (HSV) â ïàòîãåíåçå çàáîëåâàíèÿ, òàê êàê âèðóñ îáíàðóæåí â ýíäîíåâðàëüíîé æèäêîñòè. Ðåçóëüòàòû áîëüøèíñòâà ÐÊÈ ïîêàçàëè ýôôåêòèâíîñòü êîðîòêîãî êóðñà îðàëüíûõ ãëþêîêîðòèêîèäîâ (ïðåäíèçîëîí 1 ìã/êã äåíü) ïåðåä ïëàöåáî, òàêæå â îäíîì èññëåäîâàíèè ïîêàçàíî, ÷òî ñî÷åòàíèå ãëþêîêîðòèêîèä ïëþñ àöèêëîâèð (400 ìã 5 ðàç â äåíü) ýôôåêòèâíåå îäíîãî ïðåäíèçîëîíà.

Ãàéäëàéíû

Ïîäêîìèññèÿ ïî ñòàíäàðòàì êà÷åñòâà àìåðèêàíñêîé Àêàäåìèè Íåâðîëîãèè çàÿâëÿåò ÷òî ðàííåå ëå÷åíèå ñ îðàëüíûìè êîðòèêîñòåðîèäàìè ÿâëÿåòñÿ âåðîÿòíî ýôôåêòèâíûì â ôóíêöèîíàëüíîì óëó÷øåíèè ïðè ïàðàëè÷å Áåëëà, ÷òî äîïîëíåíèå àöèêëîâèðà ê ïðåäíèçîëîíó ÿâëÿåòñÿ âîçìîæíî ýôôåêòèâíûì, è ÷òî íåäîñòàòî÷íî äîêàçàòåëüñòâ, ÷òîáû ðåêîìåíäîâàòü äåêîìïðåññèþ íåðâà.

Ðåêîìåíäàöèè ïî ëå÷åíèþ.
Ïîñêîëüêó ïðè ïàðàëè÷å ëèöåâîãî íåðâà ñóùåñòâóåò îòåê íåðâà, ïðèçíàêè âîñïàëåíèÿ (ïî ðåçóëüòàòàì ÌÐÒ) è åñòü ðåçóëüòàòû èññëåäîâàíèé, ïîäòâåðæäàþùèõ ýôôåêòèâíîñòü ÃÊ, òî ðåêîìåíäóåòñÿ íà÷àòü ïðèìåíåíèå ïðåäíèçîëîíà â äîçå 1 ìã/êã per os â òå÷åíèå 2-14 äíåé ïîñëå íà÷àëà ïàðàëè÷à.
Ïîñêîëüêó ïàðàëè÷ ëèöåâîãî íåðâà àññîöèèðîâàí ñ HSV èíôåêöèåé,àíòèâèðóñíîå ëå÷åíèå ìîæåò ïîìî÷ü, õîòÿ äàííûõ, ïîêàçûâàþùèõ, ÷òî òàêîå ëå÷åíèå óñêîðÿåò âîññòàíîâëåíèå èëè óëó÷øàåò äîëãîñðî÷íûå ðåçóëüòàòû, íåäîñòàòî÷íî.  ñëó÷àå èñïîëüçîâàíèå ïðîòèâîâèðóñíûõ ïðåïàðàòîâ ïðåäïî÷òèòåëüíåå èñïîëüçîâàòü âàëàöèêëîâèð (1ã äâàæäû â äåíü 7 äíåé) èëè ôàìöèêëîâèð (750 ìã òðèæäû â äåíü), ÷òî óäîáíåå àöèêëîâèðà, êîòîðûé íóæíî ïðèíèìàòü â äîçå 800 ìã ïÿòü ðàç â äåíü. Ïðåäíèçîëîí â òàá. â äîçå 1 ìã/êã äåíü íàçíà÷àåòñÿ â òå÷åíèå íåäåëè, ó÷èòûâàþòñÿ ïðîòèâîïîêàçàíèÿ. Íåò ïðè÷èí äëÿ ïîñòåïåííîãî îòìåíà ïðåäíèçîëîíà òîëüêî ïîñëå îäíîé íåäåëè ëå÷åíèÿ.

Ëèòåðàòóðà:Bell's Palsy
Stuart M. E., Strite S. A., Magaldi J. A., Djalilian H. R., Gilden D. H.
N Engl J Med 2004, number 13

Òàêèì îáðàçîì, íà Âàøè âîïðîñû ìîæíî îòâåòèòü òàê:
1.Åñëè ýòî èäèîïàòè÷åñêàÿ íåéðîïàòèÿ ëèöåâîãî íåðâà, òî íå îïàñíà, íà êà÷åñòâî ñïåðìû íå âëèÿåò.
2.Ïîñêîëüêó 20-30% íå âîññòàíàâëèâàþòñÿ áåç ëå÷åíèÿ, òî ëå÷èòü íóæíî.
3.Èç ëå÷åíèÿ ìîæíî áûëî íàçíà÷èòü ëèøü îäèí ïðåäíèçîëîí â òàá. íà íåäåëþ,íî äóìàþ, ÷òî è íàçíà÷åííîå ëå÷åíèå íå ïîâëèÿåò íà êà÷åñòâî ñïåðìû.
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Ñòàðûé 04.02.2006, 12:00
Beta Beta âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Íà÷èíàþùèé ó÷àñòíèê
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 26.10.2005
Ãîðîä: Tatarstan
Ñîîáùåíèé: 70
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 14
Beta *
íåéðîïàòèÿ ëèöåâîãî íåðâà

Ñïàñèáî çà ðàçâåðíóòûé îòâåò. Îáÿçàòåëüíî ïðèñëóøàþñü ê âàøèì ñîâåòàì.
Ó ìåíÿ îñòàåòñÿ âîïðîñ îá èñïîëüçîâàíèè áåðëèòèîíà ïðè ïîëèíåéðîïàòèè. Åñòü ëè êàêèå-íèáóäü äîñòîâåðíûå äîêàçàòåëüñòâà åãî ýôôåêòèâíîñòè â ñðàâíåíèè ñ ïëàöåáî.
Âîïðîñ î ìèëüãàììå, îí íåýôôåêòèâåí òîëüêî ïðè äàííîì çàáîëåâàíèè?
Åñòü ëè äîêàçàòåëüñòâà ýôôåêòèâíîñòè èñïîëüçîâàíèÿ ìèëüãàììû ïðè äðóãèõ çàáîëâàíèÿõ? Âîïðîñ âîçíèê èç-çà íåñîâìåñòèìèîñòè êîìïîíåíòîâ ïðåïàðàòà ìèëüãàììû (òèàìèí, ïðèäîêñèí, öèàíîêîáàëàìèí) ìåæäó ñîáîé.
Î äàëüíåéøèõ èçìåíåíèÿõ áóäó äåðæàòü Âàñ â êóðñå äåëà.
Ëåíà
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Ñòàðûé 04.02.2006, 13:52
EVP EVP âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
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Äîêàçàòåëüñòâà ýôôåêòèâíîñòè áåðëèòèîíà (òèîêòàöèäà, àëüôà-ëèïîåâîé êèñëîòû) åñòü. Íî ïðè äèàáåòè÷åñêîé è àëêîãîëüíîé ïîëèíåéðîïàòèÿõ. Ïðè íåéðîïàòèè ëèöåâîãî íåðâà òàêèõ èññëåäîâàíèé íå ïðîâîäèëîñü. Ìèëüãàììà- ýòî êîìïëåêñ âèòàìèíîâ ãðóïïû Â.  ïåðâóþ î÷åðåäü ýôôåêòèâåí ïðè ñîñòîÿíèÿõ äåôèöèòà ýòèõ âèòàìèíîâ. Åñòü èññëåäîâàíèÿ íà íåáîëüøèõ ãðóïïàõ ïàöèåíòîâ, ïîêàçûâàþùèå ýôôåêòèâíîñòü áåíôîòèàìèíà ïðè àëêîãîëüíîé è äèàáåòè÷åñêîé ïîëèíåéðîïàòèÿõ.  ìèëüãàììå âèòàìèíû íàõîäÿòñÿ â ñîâìåñòèìîé ôîðìå.

Diabet Med. 2004 Feb;21(2):114-21. Related Articles, Links

Treatment of symptomatic diabetic polyneuropathy with the antioxidant alpha-lipoic acid: a meta-analysis.

Ziegler D, Nowak H, Kempler P, Vargha P, Low PA.

German Diabetes Research Institute, Leibriz Institute at the Heinrich Heine University, Dusseldorf, Germany. [Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ]

AIMS: To determine the efficacy and safety of 600 mg of alpha-lipoic acid given intravenously over 3 weeks in diabetic patients with symptomatic polyneuropathy. METHODS: We searched the database of VIATRIS GmbH, Frankfurt, Germany, for clinical trials of alpha-lipoic acid according to the following prerequisites: randomized, double-masked, placebo-controlled, parallel-group trial using alpha-lipoic acid infusions of 600 mg i.v. per day for 3 weeks, except for weekends, in diabetic patients with positive sensory symptoms of polyneuropathy which were scored by the Total Symptom Score (TSS) in the feet on a daily basis. Four trials (ALADIN I, ALADIN III, SYDNEY, NATHAN II) comprised n=1258 patients (alpha-lipoic acid n=716; placebo n=542) met these eligibility criteria and were included in a meta-analysis based on the intention-to-treat principle. Primary analysis involved a comparison of the differences in TSS from baseline to the end of i.v. Treatment between the groups treated with alpha-lipoic acid or placebo. Secondary analyses included daily changes in TSS, responder rates (> or =50% improvement in TSS), individual TSS components, Neuropathy Impairment Score (NIS), NIS of the lower limbs (NIS-LL), individual NIS-LL components, and the rates of adverse events. RESULTS: After 3 weeks the relative difference in favour of alpha-lipoic acid vs. placebo was 24.1% (13.5, 33.4) (geometric mean with 95% confidence interval) for TSS and 16.0% (5.7, 25.2) for NIS-LL. The responder rates were 52.7% in patients treated with alpha-lipoic acid and 36.9% in those on placebo (P<0.05). On a daily basis there was a continuous increase in the magnitude of TSS improvement in favour of alpha-lipoic acid vs. placebo which was noted first after 8 days of treatment. Among the individual components of the TSS, pain, burning, and numbness decreased in favour of alpha-lipoic acid compared with placebo, while among the NIS-LL components pin-prick and touch-pressure sensation as well as ankle reflexes were improved in favour of alpha-lipoic acid after 3 weeks. The rates of adverse events did not differ between the groups. CONCLUSIONS: The results of this meta-analysis provide evidence that treatment with alpha-lipoic acid (600 mg/day i.v.) over 3 weeks is safe and significantly improves both positive neuropathic symptoms and neuropathic deficits to a clinically meaningful degree in diabetic patients with symptomatic polyneuropathy.

Int J Clin Pharmacol Ther. 2005 Feb;43(2):71-7. Related Articles, Links

Erratum in:
Int J Clin Pharmacol Ther. 2005 Jun;43(6):304.

Benfotiamine in the treatment of diabetic polyneuropathy--a three-week randomized, controlled pilot study (BEDIP study).

Haupt E, Ledermann H, Kopcke W.

Saale-Klinik, Bad Kissingen, Lindenfels, Germany. [Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ]

OBJECTIVE: The aim of the study was to evaluate the efficacy of benfotiamine administered over three weeks (allithiamine; a lipid-soluble vitamin B1 prodrug with high bioavailability) to patients with diabetic polyneuropathy in a randomized, placebo-controlled, double-blind, two-center pilot study. MATERIAL AND METHODS: Forty inpatients (23 male, 18 female, age range 18 - 70 years) with a history of type 1 or 2 diabetes and polyneuropathy of not longer than two years, were included in the study. Twenty Patients received two 50 mg benfotiamine tablets four times daily and 20 patients received placebo over the three-week study period. Two clinical units were involved with 10 patients receiving placebo and 10 patients benfotiamine in each. The neuropathy score according to Katzenwadel et al. [1987] was used to evaluate symptoms of polyneuropathy, vibration perception threshold and both the physician's and the patient's own assessment were documented. RESULTS: A statistically significant (p = 0.0287) improvement in the neuropathy score was observed in the group given active drug when compared to the placebo-treated controls. There was no statistically significant change observed in the tuning fork test. The most pronounced effect on complaints was a decrease in pain (p = 0.0414). More patients in the benfotiamine-treated group than in the placebo group considered their clinical condition to have improved (p = 0.052). No side effects attributable to benfotiamine were observed. The differences between the groups cannot be attributed to a change in metabolic parameters since there were no significant alterations in the HbA1 levels and blood sugar profiles. The body mass index of the two groups did not differ. CONCLUSION: This pilot investigation (BEDIP Study) has confirmed the results of two earlier randomized controlled trials and has provided further evidence for the beneficial effects of benfotiamine in patients with diabetic neuropathy.
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Ñòàðûé 04.02.2006, 16:36
Beta Beta âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Íà÷èíàþùèé ó÷àñòíèê
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 26.10.2005
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Ñîîáùåíèé: 70
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ñïàñèáî çà îòâåò è èíôîðìàöèþ
  #8  
Ñòàðûé 28.02.2006, 08:45
Beta Beta âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Íà÷èíàþùèé ó÷àñòíèê
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 26.10.2005
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Ñîîáùåíèé: 70
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íåâðèò ëèöåâîãî íåðâà

Äîáðûé äåíü. È ñíîâà íóæíà ïîìîùü ñïåöèàëèñòîâ.
Ìîé ìóæ (30 ëåò) ñ 10 äíÿ çàáîëåâàíèÿ íåâðèòîì ëèöåâîãî íåðâà ëå÷èëñÿ â íåâðîëîãè÷åñêîì îòäåëåíèè. Îáñëåäîâàëñÿ. Ñäåëàíà ÊÒ ãîëîâíîãî ìîçãà, ðåíòãåí ïàçóõ íîñà, êîíñóëüòèðîâàí ñòîìàòîëîãîì.
Íà ÊÒ - ðàñøèðåíèå áîðîçä, ãèïîòðîôèÿ ëîáíûõ äîëåé, ïåðåäíèå ðîãà áîêîâûõ æåëóäî÷êîâ çàêðóãëåíû, â ñèëüâèåâûõ áîðîçäàõ îïðåäåëÿþòñÿ àðàõíîèäàëüíûå êèñòû äèàìåòðîì äî 0,82 ñì.
Çàêëþ÷åíèå: Ýíöåôàëîïàòèÿ, àðàõíîèäàëüíûå ì/êèñòû ñèëüâèåâûõ áîðîçä, ñëàáî âûðàæåííàÿ âåíòðèêóëÿðíàÿ ãèïåðòåíçèÿ.
Íà ðåíòãåíîãðàôèè ïàçóõ íîñà - êèñòà â ïðàâîé ãàéìîðîâîé ïàçóõå. Çàêëþ÷åíèå ñòîìàòîëîãà - ñòîì. ïàòîëîãèÿ íå íàéäåíà.
Àíàëèç êðîâè â íîðìå.
Ìóæó ïîñëå ëå÷åíèÿ (ìàñàæ íà øåéíûé îòäåë ïîçâ-êà, ýëåêòðîèìïóëüñíîå ëå÷åíèå, èãëîðåôëåêñîòåðàïèÿ,ýëåêòðîôîðåç, ìèëüãàììà, äåêñàìåòàçîí, ïðåäíèçîëîí âíóòðü, ôóðîñåìèä, ýñïà-ëèïîí) ñòàëî ëó÷øå - ëèöî ñèììåòðè÷íîå, èñ÷åçëà ñãëàæåííîñòü íîñîãóáíîé ñêëàäêè, íî ñîõðàíÿåòñÿ ëîãîôòàëüì.

Ïîäñêàæèòå, ïîæàëóéñòà, ìîãëà ëè êèñòà â ïðàâîé ãàéìîðîâîé ïàçóõå áûòü ïðè÷èíîé íåâðèòà ëèöåâîãî íåðâà ñëåâà?
Î ÷åì ìîãóò ãîâîðèòü äàííûå êîìïüþòåðíîé òîìîãðàôèè? Íàøè íåâðîëîãè ïðåäïîëîæèëè î ïåðèíàòàëüíîé ïàòîëîãèè (áûëî îáâèòèå ïóïîâèíîé, àñôèêñèÿ) ìîæåò ëè ýòî áûòü ïðè÷èíîé? Ðàáîòà ìóæà ñâÿçàíà ñ êîìïüþòåðîì. Ìîæåò ëè áûòü âñëåäñòâèå âëèÿíèÿ êîìïüþòåðà? Ñ ÷åì ìîæåò áûòü ñâÿçàíà ãèïîòðîôèÿ ëîáíûõ äîëåé? Ðàíåå ìóæ íå îáñëåäîâàëñÿ, æàëîá íå ïðåäúÿâëÿë.
Íóæíî ëè ïîâòîðÿòü ëå÷åíèå íåâðèòà ëèöåâîãî íåðâà è êîãäà? èëè âîçìîæíî ñàìîñòîÿòåëüíîå èçëå÷åíèå (ëîãîôòàëüìà)?
Çàðàíåå áëàãîäàðíà çà âíèìàíèå è îòâåòû.
  #9  
Ñòàðûé 28.02.2006, 22:34
EVP EVP âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Âåòåðàí ôîðóìà
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 08.07.2004
Ãîðîä: Êèðîâ
Ñîîáùåíèé: 7,190
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 9
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 992 ðàç(à) çà 975 ñîîáùåíèé
EVP ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåEVP ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåEVP ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåEVP ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåEVP ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåEVP ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåEVP ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåEVP ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåEVP ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåEVP ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåEVP ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Óâàæàåìàÿ Beta, çàêëþ÷åíèå ïî ÊÒà ñäåëàíî íå ñîâñåì êîððåêòíî. Åñëè æàëîá íåò, òî íèêàêîãî ëå÷åíèÿ äàííûå èçìåíåíèÿ íå òðåáóþò. Ëå÷àò íå ÊÒÃ, à áîëüíîãî. Êèñòà â ãàéìîðîâîé ïàçóõå ïðè÷èíîé íåâðîïàòèè ëèöåâîãî íåðâà íå ÿâëÿåòñÿ. Î ïðè÷èíàõ ÷èòàéòå â ïðåäûäóùåì ñîîáùåíèè. Ïðåæäå ÷åì îáñóæäàòü âîçìîæíûå ïðè÷èíû ãèïîòðîôèè ëîáíûõ äîëåé íà ÊÒà íóæíî áûòü óâåðåíûì â òîì, ÷òî îíà äåéñòâèòåëüíî ñóùåñòâóåò (ãèïîòðîôèÿ), à íå ÿâëÿåòñÿ ôàíòàçèåé âðà÷à, ñäåëàâøåãî äàííûé âûâîä. Èíîãäà ïîñëå îñòðîé íåâðîïàòèè ëèöåâîãî íåðâà îñòàþòñÿ òå èëè èíûå èçìåíåíèÿ, íî ñî âðåìåíåì îíè ìîãóò ïðîéòè áåç ëå÷åíèÿ. Ïîâòîðíîå ëå÷åíèå íå òðåáóåòñÿ. Èíîãäà ïðîâîäÿò ýëåêòðîñòèìóëÿöèþ íåðâà, íî äàííûõ î åå ýôôåêòèâíîñòè íåäîñòàòî÷íî.
  #10  
Ñòàðûé 03.07.2006, 22:47
êèñêà
Ãîñòü
 
Ñîîáùåíèé: n/a
Ó ìåíÿ òàêîé âîïðîñ. Ìîãó ëè ÿ ïîåõàòü íà þã ïîñëå íåéðîïàòèè ëåâîãî ëèöåâîãî íåðâà? Çàðàíèå ñïàñèáî
  #11  
Ñòàðûé 04.07.2006, 08:53
Mikhail Mikhail âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Âåòåðàí ôîðóìà
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 02.12.2001
Ãîðîä: Ìîñêâà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 3,214
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 3
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 121 ðàç(à) çà 119 ñîîáùåíèé
Mikhail ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMikhail ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMikhail ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMikhail ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMikhail ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMikhail ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMikhail ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMikhail ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMikhail ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMikhail ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMikhail ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
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Ó ìåíÿ òàêîé âîïðîñ. Ìîãó ëè ÿ ïîåõàòü íà þã ïîñëå íåéðîïàòèè ëåâîãî ëèöåâîãî íåðâà? Çàðàíèå ñïàñèáî
Åñëè ó Âàñ áûëà ò.í. èäèîïàòè÷åñêàÿ íåéðîïàòèÿ ëèöåâîãî íåðâà (ò.å. ó Âàñ áûëè èñêëþ÷åíû îðãàíè÷åñêèå çàáîëåâàíèÿ íåðâíîé ñèñòåìû, êîòîðûå ìîãóò èì ïðîÿâëÿòüñÿ) òî íèêàêèõ îãðàíè÷åíèé æèçíåäåÿòåëüíîñòè äëÿ Âàñ íåò. Ìîæíî åõàòü íå òîëüêî íà þã, íî è íà Ñåâåð, Çàïàä è Âîñòîê.


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