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Ñòàðûé 08.11.2023, 17:22
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Óâàæàåìûå äîêòîðà! Ó ìåíÿ âîïðîñ: ê êàêîìó çíà÷åíèþ âèòàìèíà Ä íàäî ñòðåìèòüñÿ ïðè ëèêâèäàöèè åãî äåôèöèòà? Ñåé÷àñ ó ìåíÿ: 13 íã/ìë. Çàðàíåå ñïàñèáî çà îòâåò.
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Ñòàðûé 08.11.2023, 17:32
Àâàòàð äëÿ Dr.Vad
Dr.Vad Dr.Vad âíå ôîðóìà
Ìîäåðàòîð ôîðóìà ïî ãåìàòîëîãèè
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 16.01.2003
Ãîðîä: Õüþñòîí, Òåõàñ
Ñîîáùåíèé: 80,394
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 33,236 ðàç(à) çà 31,585 ñîîáùåíèé
Dr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Áîëåå 30, âàì íóæíî 2 èëè 3 òûñ åä â äåíü, ïî÷åìó âû íå ïèøåòå âñå â îäíîé òåìå, ãäå áîëåå ïîëíàÿ èíôîðìàöèÿ î âàñ? ïî÷åìó, åñëè çàâîäèòå íîâóþ, íå äà¸òå ïåðåêð. ññûëîê? ó âàñ ïðîáëåìû ñ ïðî÷òåíèåì ïðàâèë ôîðóìà èëè èõ ïîíèìàíèåì?
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Ñòàðûé 08.11.2023, 17:50
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Ñïàñèáî çà îòâåò. Èçâèíèòå, ïîñòàðàþñü èñïðàâèòüñÿ.
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Ñòàðûé 14.11.2023, 21:14
Ksenja78 Ksenja78 âíå ôîðóìà Ïîë æåíñêèé
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Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 30.04.2019
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Ñîîáùåíèé: 24
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Ïîçâîëüòå åù¸ óòî÷íèòü, ñêîëüêî ïî âðåìåíè ïðèíèìàòü 2-3 òûñ. åä. âèòàìèíà Ä? È ïîñëå íîðìàëèçàöèè åãî óðîâíÿ ïðîäîëæàòü ïðèíèìàòü (äëÿ ïðîôèëàêòèêè) ? Åñëè äà, òî â êàêîé äîçèðîâêå?
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Ñòàðûé 14.11.2023, 21:43
Àâàòàð äëÿ Dr.Vad
Dr.Vad Dr.Vad âíå ôîðóìà
Ìîäåðàòîð ôîðóìà ïî ãåìàòîëîãèè
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 16.01.2003
Ãîðîä: Õüþñòîí, Òåõàñ
Ñîîáùåíèé: 80,394
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 33,236 ðàç(à) çà 31,585 ñîîáùåíèé
Dr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
ìû íå çíàåì äîïîäëèííî âñåé ñèòóàöèè - êàêîâ è êîãäà âàø óðîâåíü âèòàìèíà ä, òåîðåòè÷åñêè, åñëè ïåðåñòàíåòå ïðèíèìàòü è åäà áóäåò ïðåæíåé è ñîëí. èíñîëÿöèÿ, òî âèòàìèí ä âåðí¸òñÿ íà ñâîé óðîâåíü, âî ìíîãèõ ñòðàíàõ âèòàìèíîì ä óñèëåíû ïðîäóêòû è íàñåëåíèå âèòàìèíèçèðóåòñÿ ïàññèâíî (íå íóæíî ïðèíèìàòü åêñòà-äîáàâêè)
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Âàäèì Âàëåðüåâè÷.
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Ñòàðûé 14.11.2023, 22:52
ghrh44 ghrh44 âíå ôîðóìà
ÂÐÀ×
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 21.07.2014
Ãîðîä: N-sk
Ñîîáùåíèé: 3,942
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 2,027 ðàç(à) çà 1,871 ñîîáùåíèé
ghrh44 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåghrh44 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåghrh44 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåghrh44 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåghrh44 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåghrh44 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåghrh44 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåghrh44 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåghrh44 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåghrh44 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåghrh44 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Çíà÷èòåëüíàÿ ÷àñòü âèòàìèíà Ä ñèíòåçèðóåòñÿ â êîæå, ïî íåêîòîðûì äàííûì äî 90%, õîòÿ öèôðà ýòà îñïàðèâàåòñÿ. Íî, êàê ïðèìåð, ÷àñòîòà åãî äåôèöèòà â Øòàòàõ 42%, a â ñîëíå÷íîé Áðàçèëèè 28%.  Âåëèêîáðèòàíèè ÷àñòîòà â Øîòëàíäèè (ñåâåð) âûøå, ÷åì íà þãå. A äàæå íà þãå, äîñòàòî÷íîå êîëè÷åñòâî ñîëíå÷íûõ äíåé ñ äîñòàòî÷íûì êîëè÷åñòâîì óëüòðàâèîëåòà ñ àïðåëÿ äî ñåíòÿáðÿ 4 ÷àñà â äåíü , ñ 11 óòðà äî 3 äíÿ. À â ñîëíå÷íîì Èðàíå , ãäå ïî÷òè âñå æåíùèíû ñ ãîëîâû äî íîã çàêóòàíû â ÷åðíûå áàëàõîíû , ó äåâî÷åê ÷àñòîòà äåôèöèòà âèòàìèíà D ~ 92% , à ó áåðåìåííûõ æåíùèí ïîðÿäêà 84%. Òàê ÷òî êàê áû ìû íå ñ÷èòàëè, ñîëíå÷íàÿ ïîãîäà è ëåãêàÿ îäåæäà ( òåïëûé êëèìàò) ïðoñòî âàæíû.

A êàêàÿ òàì ñîëíå÷íîñòü â Ïèòåðå? Êîò íàïëàêàë. È õîëîä çàñòàâëÿåò òåïëî îäåâàòüñÿ. Âîò Âàì è îòâåò. Ïîíÿòèÿ íå èìåþ, ïðîâîäèòñÿ ëè â ÐÔ ôîðòèôèêàöèÿ ìîëîêà è âñÿêèõ äîáàâîê ê íåìó ( êóêóðóçíûå õëîïüÿ è ïð).  Øòàòàõ ýòî íàäåæíî ðàáîòàåò ó äåòåé 6-11 ëåò, ó áîëüøèíñòâà êîòîðûõ ýòî ñòàíäàðòíûé çàâòðàê, íî êðàéíå íåýôôåêòèâío ó âçðîñëûõ ( íà çàâòðàê ñàìàÿ ïîïóëÿðíàÿ åäà ýòî ÿè÷íèöà ñ áåêîíîì)

Ðåêîìåíäàöèè ãîâîðÿò, ÷òî ïîcëå äîñòèæåíèÿ íîðìàëüíûõ óðîâíåé ( 30-50 íìîëü/ë) íóæíî ïðèíèìàòü ïîðÿäêà 800-1000 åäèíèö â äåíü, ñòàíäàðòíàÿ äîçà â ëþáîì ìóëüòèâèòàìèíå).

Êîììåíòàðèè ê ñîîáùåíèþ:
Dr.Vad îäîáðèë(à):
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Ñòàðûé 14.11.2023, 23:08
Àâàòàð äëÿ Melnichenko
Melnichenko Melnichenko âíå ôîðóìà
ÂÐÀ×
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 26.07.2001
Ãîðîä: Ìîñêâà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 117,278
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 26
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 33,623 ðàç(à) çà 32,697 ñîîáùåíèé
Melnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Íåò, ôîðòèôèêàöèè íåò
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Ã.À. Ìåëüíè÷åíêî
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Ñòàðûé 14.11.2023, 23:10
Àâàòàð äëÿ Dr.Vad
Dr.Vad Dr.Vad âíå ôîðóìà
Ìîäåðàòîð ôîðóìà ïî ãåìàòîëîãèè
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 16.01.2003
Ãîðîä: Õüþñòîí, Òåõàñ
Ñîîáùåíèé: 80,394
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 33,236 ðàç(à) çà 31,585 ñîîáùåíèé
Dr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
âîò êàê ðàç èíôîðìàöèÿ ïðî âèòàìèí ä äåôèöèò ó ôèííîâ â ñðàâíåíèè ñ ðóññêèìè ýìèãðàíòàìè, ÷òî òåððèòîðèàëüíî áëèçêî ê ÑÏá:

Participants: Immigrants aged 18-64 years (446 Russians, 346 Somalis, 500 Kurds), 798 Finns aged 30-64 years.

Results:
The mean of S-25(OH)D was 64 (95 % CI 62, 66) for Russians, 44 (95 % CI 41, 46) Somalis, 35 (95 % CI 34, 37) Kurds and 64 (95 % CI 62, 66) nmol/l Finns. S-25(OH)D among Somalis and Kurds was lower compared with Finns (P < 0·001).

The prevalence of vitamin D deficiency (S-25(OH)D <30 nmol/l) and insufficiency (S-25(OH)D <50 nmol/l) was higher among immigrants than Finns (P < 0·001). Vitamin D-rich foods differed between the groups; vitamin D-fortified fat spread consumption was higher among Somalis (91 %) than among Russians (73 %) and Kurds (60 %); fish was less consumed among Kurds (17 %) than among Russians (43 %) and Somalis (38 %); and 57 % Russians, 56 % Kurds and 36 % Somalis consumed vitamin D-fortified dairy daily (P < 0·001 for all).

Daily smoking, alcohol consumption and winter blood sampling were determinants of vitamin D insufficiency (P ≤ 0·03).

Older age, physical activity, fish and vitamin D-fortified dairy consumption were associated with lower odds of insufficiency (P ≤ 0·04).
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Public Health Nutr. 2020 May;23(7):1254-1265. doi: 10.1017/S1368980019004312.
Prevalence and determinants of vitamin D deficiency and insufficiency among three immigrant groups in Finland: evidence from a population-based study using standardised 25-hydroxyvitamin D data
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Èñêðåííå,
Âàäèì Âàëåðüåâè÷.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
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Ñòàðûé 15.11.2023, 02:19
ghrh44 ghrh44 âíå ôîðóìà
ÂÐÀ×
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 21.07.2014
Ãîðîä: N-sk
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Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 2,027 ðàç(à) çà 1,871 ñîîáùåíèé
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