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Ôîðóì äëÿ îáùåíèÿ âðà÷åé íåâðîëîãîâ è íåéðîõèðóðãîâ Ôîðóì ïðåäíàçíà÷åí äëÿ îáùåíèÿ âðà÷åé ìåæäó ñîáîé.

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Îïöèè òåìû Ïîèñê â ýòîé òåìå Îïöèè ïðîñìîòðà
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Ñòàðûé 20.03.2013, 18:19
Àâàòàð äëÿ FRSM
 FRSM  FRSM âíå ôîðóìà
ÂÐÀ×
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 12.06.2007
Ãîðîä: Airstrip One
Ñîîáùåíèé: 4,766
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 697 ðàç(à) çà 672 ñîîáùåíèé
FRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Íåñêîëüêî íàïîìèíàåò:

What are the symptoms of dementia with Lewy bodies?

Dementia with Lewy bodies is a progressive disease. This means that over time the symptoms will become worse. In general, DLB progresses at about the same rate as Alzheimer's disease, typically over several years.
A person with DLB will usually have some of the symptoms of Alzheimer's and Parkinson's diseases.
They may experience problems with attention and alertness, often have spatial disorientation and experience difficulty with 'executive function', which includes difficulty in planning ahead and co-ordinating mental activities. Although memory is often affected, it is typically less so than in Alzheimer's disease.
They may also develop the symptoms of Parkinson's disease, including slowness, muscle stiffness, trembling of the limbs, a tendency to shuffle when walking, loss of facial expression, and changes in the strength and tone of the voice.
There are also symptoms that are particular to dementia with Lewy bodies. In addition to the symptoms above, a person with DLB may:
experience detailed and convincing visual hallucinations (seeing things that are not there), often of people or animals
find that their abilities fluctuate daily, or even hourly
fall asleep very easily by day, and have restless, disturbed nights with confusion, nightmares and hallucinations
faint, fall, or have 'funny turns'.
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  #17  
Ñòàðûé 20.03.2013, 20:14
Velichko Velichko âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Âðà÷-ó÷àñòíèê ôîðóìà
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 17.03.2013
Ãîðîä: Êðàñíîäàð
Ñîîáùåíèé: 5
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 3 ðàç(à) çà 3 ñîîáùåíèé
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Äåìåíöèÿ ñ òåëüöàìè Ëåâè, êàê-òî íå ïîäõîäèò. Èç êîãíèòèâíûõ äèñôóíêöèé ïðè ýòîé äåìåíöèè íàèáîëåå ÿðêèì ÿâëÿåòñÿ íàðóøåíèå êîíöåíòðàöèè âíèìàíèÿ (èìåííî ýòîò ñèìïòîì íàèáîëåå ðàííèé è ïîñòîÿííûé íà âñåõ ñòàäèÿõ áîëåçíè, à ó äàííîãî ïàöèåíòà èç êîãíèòèâíûõ ïðåâàëèðóåò ñíèæåíèå ïàìÿòè). Ïðèòîì, ñèìïòîìàòèêà êîëåáëåòñÿ â òå÷åíèå äíÿ (óõóäøåíèå â âå÷åðíåå âðåìÿ). Ïëþñ íåìàëîâàæíûì êðèòåðèåì "ïåðâîãî ðàíãà" òàêæå ñëóæàò èëëþçîðíî-ãàëëþöèíàòîðíûå ðàññòðîéñòâà (â ýòîì ñëó÷àå è ýòîãî ñèìïòîìà íåò). Äèññîìíè÷åñêèå ðàññòðîéñòâà, îñîáåííî â REM-ôàçå, òàêæå ÷óòü ëè íå îáëèãàòíûé ïðèçíàê äàííîé äåìåíöèè (êîøìàðû, ïñèõîìîòîðíîå âîçáóæäåíèå ïî íî÷àì, ñèìïòîì "ñîííîãî îïüÿíåíèÿ").
Çà íóòðèöèîíàëüíóþ ýíöåôàëîïàòèþ (ðå÷ü î âèòàìèí Â12-äåôèöèòíîé ýíöåôàëîïàòèè) ìàëî îáúåêòèâíûõ äàííûõ. Ïîðàæåíèå òîëüêî áåëîãî âåùåñòâà áåç ïîðàæåíèÿ çàäíèõ ñòîëáîâ ñïèííîãî ìîçãà? Íó íå âåðèòñÿ, èçâèíèòå. Ìàëî-ìàëüñêè, íî çàäíå-ñòîëáîâîé ñèíäðîì èëè ñåíñîðíàÿ ïîëèíåéðîïàòèÿ äîëæíà áûòü. À ó ïàöèåíòà èõ íåò.  êðîâè åñòü àíåìèÿ, ìàêðîöèòîç? Íà ÌÐÒ ãîëîâíîãî ìîçãà äîëæíû áûòü î÷àãè äåìèåëèíèçàöèè ïðè òàêîì âèäå ýíöåôàëîïàòèè, òàê êàê ïðè íåé ïðîèñõîäèò ðàçðóøåíèå ìèåëèíà.

ÂÈ×-ýíöåôàëîïàòèÿ, ñîãëàñåí, îòìå÷àåòñÿ â áîëüøèíñòâå ñëó÷àåâ óæå â òåðìèíàëüíîé ñòàäèè çàáîëåâàíèÿ. Íî ïîðîé îíà ìîæåò áûòü è åäèíñòâåííûì ïðîÿâëåíèåì áîëåçíè (ïðîöåíò íåáîëüøîé, íî îïÿòü æå ïîâòîðþñü, ëó÷øå ïåðåïðîâåðèòü - ýòî âåäü íå ãðîìîçäêîå èññëåäîâàíèå).

Âû ãîâîðèòå, ÷òî íåò âåãåòàòèâíûõ íàðóøåíèé, à ïðîáû Øåëëîíãà, Ìàðòèíå ïðîâîäèëè? Åñòü ëè äðóãèå âåãåòàòèâíûå ñèìïòîìû: àêðîãèïîòåðìèÿ, ìîíîòîííàÿ òàõèêàðäèÿ, òàõèêàðäèÿ ïîêîÿ, ãèïîãèäðîç, èìïîòåíöèÿ, íàïðèìåð?

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Ñ óâàæåíèåì, È.À.Âåëè÷êî.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #18  
Ñòàðûé 31.03.2013, 17:38
AveryanovAlexey AveryanovAlexey âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Íà÷èíàþùèé ó÷àñòíèê
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 09.03.2013
Ãîðîä: Ìóðîì
Ñîîáùåíèé: 25
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 32
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 2 ðàç(à) çà 2 ñîîáùåíèé
AveryanovAlexey *
Ðåçóëüòàòû îáñëåäîâàíèé

Ïî ðåçóëüòàòàì ïðîâîäèìîãî ëå÷åíèÿ â òå÷åíèè 1 ìåñÿöà.

Ê ñîæàëåíèþ íà ôîíå ëå÷åíèÿ ïàöèåíòà îñìîòðåòü íå óäàëîñü. Ñî ñëîâ æåíû îòìå÷àëñÿ ñëàáîïîëîæèòåëüíûé ýôôåêò íà ôîíå ïðèìåíåíèÿ ÒÒÑ "Ýêñåëîí" 4,6 ìã/ñóò: "ñòàë êàê-òî áîëåå ñïîêîéíûì". Äðóãèõ ýôôåêòîâ íå áûëî. Ïðåïàðàò íàçíà÷åí ïîâòîðíî, îñìîòðþ íà ôîíå ëå÷åíèÿ ÷åðåç 1-2 íåäåëè.

Íîâîå ïî íåâðîëîãè÷åñêîìó ñòàòóñó.

Ïðèçíàêîâ ïñåâäîáóëüáàðíîãî ïàðàëè÷à íåò (óñòðàíèë íåäîñòàòîê ïåðâîãî îïèñàíèÿ ïàöèåíòà). Ñî ñëîâ æåíû (ðàíåå íå îáðàòèëà âíèìàíèÿ) â òå÷åíèè ïîñëåäíèõ 2 ìåñÿöåâ "ðàçãîâàðèâàåò ñàì ñ ñîáîé" ïî íî÷àì, íå èñêëþ÷àþ íàëè÷èå ãàëþöèíàòîðíîãî ñèíäðîìà, íî âñå ýòî î÷åíü íå òî÷íî ïîêà.

Ðåçóëüòàòû äîîáñëåäîâàíèÿ.

Êðîâü íà ÂÈ× - îòðèöàòåëüíî.
Êðîâü íà ñèôèëèñ - îòðèöàòåëüíî.
ÎÀÊ - íîðìà.
Áèëèðóáèí êðîâè îáùèé 11 ìêìîëü/ë.
Õîëåñòåðèí êðîâè 4,8 ììîëü/ë.
Êðåàòèíèí êðîâè - 102 ìêìîëü/ë.
ÀËÒ - 15 Åä/ë.
ÀÑÒ - 24 Åä/ë.
Ãëþêîçà êðîâè 3,7 ììîëü/ë.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #19  
Ñòàðûé 31.03.2013, 17:56
Àâàòàð äëÿ FRSM
 FRSM  FRSM âíå ôîðóìà
ÂÐÀ×
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 12.06.2007
Ãîðîä: Airstrip One
Ñîîáùåíèé: 4,766
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 697 ðàç(à) çà 672 ñîîáùåíèé
FRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Íåñìîòðÿ íà ïóãàþwóþ ãëóáèíó ñîäåðæàíèÿ ïîñòà 17, âñ¸ æå íå ìîãó îòêàçàòüñÿ îò ïðåäïîëaãàåìîãî ä.ä.:

Diffuse Lewy body Disease
Cortical Lewy body Disease
Lewy Body Dementia
Senile Dementia Of Lewy Type
Lewy Body Variant of Alzheimer's Disease
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #20  
Ñòàðûé 31.03.2013, 18:00
AveryanovAlexey AveryanovAlexey âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Íà÷èíàþùèé ó÷àñòíèê
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 09.03.2013
Ãîðîä: Ìóðîì
Ñîîáùåíèé: 25
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 32
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 2 ðàç(à) çà 2 ñîîáùåíèé
AveryanovAlexey *
Äà ,ñîãëàøóñü ñ âàìè, ïîñìîòðþ åùå â ýòîì íàïðàâëåíèè, íàâåðíÿêà åñòü êàêèå-íèáóäü äèàãíîñòè÷åñêèå êðèòåðèè áîëåçíè ñ òåëüöàìè Ëåâè.

Ïðîñüáà âûñêàçàòü ñâîå ìíåíèå: ïî÷åìó íå êîðòèêî-áàçàëüíàÿ äåãåíåðàöèÿ?

Äà, çàáûë íàïèñàòü: óðîâåíü âèòàìèíà Â12 - íîðìà.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #21  
Ñòàðûé 31.03.2013, 18:27
Àâàòàð äëÿ FRSM
 FRSM  FRSM âíå ôîðóìà
ÂÐÀ×
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 12.06.2007
Ãîðîä: Airstrip One
Ñîîáùåíèé: 4,766
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 697 ðàç(à) çà 672 ñîîáùåíèé
FRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Äà, åòî îäèí èç ïàðàëëåëüíûõ ä.ä..
Íî. Ðåæå. Ó Âàøåãî ïàöèåíòà íå áûëî óíèëàòåðàëüíîñòè.
Íóæíà ÕÎÐOØÀß ÌÐÒ.

Corticobasal degeneration is a progressive neurological disorder characterized by nerve cell loss and atrophy (shrinkage) of multiple areas of the brain including the cerebral cortex and the basal ganglia. Corticobasal degeneration progresses gradually. Initial symptoms, which typically begin at or around age 60, may first appear on one side of the body (unilateral), but eventually affect both sides as the disease progresses. Symptoms are similar to those found in Parkinson disease, such as poor coordination, akinesia (an absence of movements), rigidity (a resistance to imposed movement), disequilibrium (impaired balance); and limb dystonia (abnormal muscle postures). Other symptoms such as cognitive and visual-spatial impairments, apraxia (loss of the ability to make familiar, purposeful movements), hesitant and halting speech, myoclonus (muscular jerks), and dysphagia (difficulty swallowing) may also occur. An individual with corticobasal degeneration eventually becomes unable to walk.

Êîììåíòàðèè ê ñîîáùåíèþ:
MKMED îäîáðèë(à):
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
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Ñòàðûé 31.03.2013, 19:28
Àâàòàð äëÿ MKMED
MKMED MKMED âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Êàíäèäàò â âåòåðàíû ôîðóìà
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 05.05.2006
Ãîðîä: Óôà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 1,530
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 467 ðàç(à) çà 458 ñîîáùåíèé
MKMED ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMKMED ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMKMED ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMKMED ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMKMED ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMKMED ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò AveryanovAlexey Ïîñìîòðåòü ñîîáùåíèå
Äà ,ñîãëàøóñü ñ âàìè, ïîñìîòðþ åùå â ýòîì íàïðàâëåíèè, íàâåðíÿêà åñòü êàêèå-íèáóäü äèàãíîñòè÷åñêèå êðèòåðèè áîëåçíè ñ òåëüöàìè Ëåâè.

Ïðîñüáà âûñêàçàòü ñâîå ìíåíèå: ïî÷åìó íå êîðòèêî-áàçàëüíàÿ äåãåíåðàöèÿ?

Äà, çàáûë íàïèñàòü: óðîâåíü âèòàìèíà Â12 - íîðìà.
Ïðî÷èòàë òåìó. Äîïîëíèòåëüíûå ìåòîäû èññëåäîâàíèé íå îòêðûëèñü, äà è íå òàê âàæíî, äóìàþ.

Ïåðâîå âïå÷àòëåíèå - î êîðòèêî-áàçàëüíîé äåãåíåðàöèè (Cortical Basal Ganglionic Degeneration).

Áûëî áû èíòåðåñíî óçíàòü, åñòü ëè ó ïàöèåíòà àïðàêñèÿ (ìîæåò ïðîïóñòèë â òåêñòå).
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #23  
Ñòàðûé 31.03.2013, 19:38
Velichko Velichko âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Âðà÷-ó÷àñòíèê ôîðóìà
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 17.03.2013
Ãîðîä: Êðàñíîäàð
Ñîîáùåíèé: 5
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