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Korzun ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåKorzun ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåKorzun ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåKorzun ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåKorzun ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåKorzun ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåKorzun ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåKorzun ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåKorzun ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåKorzun ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåKorzun ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
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Ïëåéîòðîïíûå (äîïîëíèòåëüíûå, íå ëèïèäíûå) ýôôåêòû ñòàòèíîâ:

Ñòàáèëèçàöèÿ àòåðîñêëåðîòè÷åñêîé áëÿøêè (Àðîíîâ Ä.Ì., 2001)
Ïðÿìîå ñîñóäîðàñøèðÿþùåå äåéñòâèå è àíòèèøåìè÷åñêîå äåéñòâèå ñòàòèíîâ: óìåíüøåíèå äåïðåññèè ST è âðåìåíè äî åå íàñòóïëåíèÿ ïðè íàãðóçî÷íûõ ïðîáàõ, ñíèæåíèå ïåðèôåðè÷åñêîãî ñîïðîòèâëåíèÿ, ïðîòèâîäåéñòâèå âàçîñïàçìó (Àðîíîâ Ä.Ì., 2001)
Óâåëè÷åíèå ÷èñëà ñòâîëîâûõ êëåòîê ýíäîòåëèÿ è àêòèâàöèÿ èõ ôóíêöèè, ïðèâîäÿùàÿ ê àíãèîíåîãåíåçó â èøåìèçèðîâàííûõ òêàíÿõ (Cardiovasc Res 2001;49:281-7; Nat Med 2000 Sep;6(9):1004-10)
Òîðìîæåíèå ìèãðàöèè è èíãèáèðîâàíèå ïðîëèôåðàöèè ãëàäêîìûøå÷íûõ êëåòîê (Atherosclerosis 1992 Jul;95(1):87-94; Biochim Biophys Acta 1997 Apr 21;1345(3):259-68)

Àíòèòðîìáîòè÷åñêèå ýôôåêòû: Óìåíüøåíèå àãðåãàöèè òðîìáîöèòîâ (JAMA 1998 May 27; 279(20):1643-50)
Ñíèæåíèå ñèíòåçà òðîìáèíà (J Am Coll Cardiol 1999 Apr;33(5):1286-93)
Óâåëè÷åíèå ôèáðèíîëèçà (Ann Pharmacother 2000;01-Dec,;34(12):1432-9)
Ïðè ïðèìåíåíèè ñèìâàñòàòèíà ñíèæåíèå àêòèâíîñòè òêàíåâîãî ôàêòîðà ìîíîöèòîâ, ñíèæåíèå êîíöåíòðàöèè ñóììû ôðàãìåíòîâ òðîìáèíà (Àðîíîâ Ä.Ì., 2001)
Ïðîôèëàêòèêà ñèìâàñòàòèíîì òðîìáîöèòîçà (ïðåäèêòîð òðîìáîòè÷åñêèõ îñëîæíåíèé è òðîìáîçà øóíòà) ïîñëå ÀÊØ (Àðîíîâ Ä.Ì., 2001)
Ñíèæåíèå âÿçêîñòè êðîâè (ñíèæåíèå îáúåìà ýðèòðîöèòîâ â ëåãî÷íîì êàïèëëÿðíîì ëîæå) ïðè ïðèìåíåíèè ñèìâàñòàòèíà (Àðîíîâ Ä.Ì., 2001)
Óìåíüøåíèå óðîâíÿ èíãèáèòîðà àêòèâàòîðà ïëàçìèíîãåíà 1 ïðè óâåëè÷åíèè ïðîèçâîäñòâà òêàíåâîãî àêòèâàòîðà ïëàçìèíîãåíà â ýíäîòåëèàëüíûõ êëåòêàõ è ïîíèæåíèè âûðàæåííîñòè òêàíåâîãî ôàêòîðà (Atherosclerosis 1998;137(suppl):S101-S109, Cardiovasc Res 2001;52:5-7)
Ïðîèçâîäÿò àíòèòðîìáîòè÷åñêèå ýôôåêòû, êîòîðûå óìåíüøàþò ðèñê òðîìáîçà ãëóáîêèõ âåí (Arch Intern Med 2001;161:1405-10)

Âëèÿíèå íà ýíäîòåëèé: Óâåëè÷åíèå ñèíòåçà NO ýíäîòåëèåì ïîä âëèÿíèåì ñèìâàñòàòèíà èëè ëîâàñòàòèíà (Cardiovasc Res 2001;49:281-7, Àðîíîâ Ä.Ì., 2001),
Âàçîäèëàòàöèÿ çà ñ÷åò íîðìàëèçàöèè ñâîéñòâ ýíäîòåëèÿ ïðè ïðèìåíåíèè ñèìâàñòàòèíà (Neurology 2000 Feb 22;54(4):790-6, Àðîíîâ Ä.Ì., 2001)
Ñîõðàíåíèå è/èëè âîññòàíîâëåíèå áàðüåðíîé ôóíêöèè ýíäîòåëèÿ â îòíîøåíèè îêèñëåííûõ ËÏÍÏ (Circulation 2000;101:1899-906)
Óìåíüøåíèå èíôèëüòðàöèè àðòåðèàëüíîé ñòåíêè ìàêðîôàãàìè (Circulation 2000; 102(23):2803-9)

Ïðîòèâîâîñïàëèòåëüíîå äåéñòâèå: Ñèìâàñòàòèí ñíèæàåò âûðàæåííîñòü àñåïòè÷åñêîãî âîñïàëåíèÿ, íåçàâèñèìî îò ëèïèäíîãî ôàêòîðà (Eur Heart J Supplements 1999;1 T13-T18; Àðîíîâ Ä.Ì., 2001)
Öåðèâàñòàòèí îêàçûâàåò ïðîòèâîâîñïàëèòåëüíîå äåéñòâèå íà ìàêðîôàãè, èíôèöèðîâàííûå õëàìèäèåé (Àðîíîâ Ä.Ì., 2001)
Ñèìâàñòàòèí, ëîâàñòàòèí, àòîðâàñòàòèí è ïðàâàñòàòèí ñíèæàþò óðîâåíü Ñ-ðåàêòèâíîãî áåëêà (Circulation 1998;98:839-44; J Am Med Assoc 2001;286:64-70; N Engl J Med 2001;344:1959-65; Circulation 2001;103:1813-8; Circulation 2001;103:1933-5)
Óìåíüøåíèå óðîâíåé ðåàêòèâíûõ ðàçíîâèäíîñòåé êèñëîðîäà (ò.å. ñóïåðîêñèäíûå è ãèäðîêñèëüíûå ðàäèêàëû), ïðîÿâëåíèå ïðîòèâîâîñïàëèòåëüíîé àêòèâíîñòè (Clin Cardiol. 2003;Vol. 26 (Suppl. I), I-15-I-20)

Èììóíîñóïðåññèâíîå äåéñòâèå: Ñèìâàñòàòèí è ïðàâàñòàòèí óìåíüøàþò ÷èñëî îòòîðæåíèé ïðè ïåðåñàäêàõ ñåðäöà, ò.å. îêàçûâàþò èììóíîäåïðåññèâíîå äåéñòâèå (Àðîíîâ Ä.Ì., 2001)
Âûÿâëåí ñèíåðãèçì â èììóíîñóïðåññèâíîì äåéñòâèè öèêëîñïîðèíà è ëîâàñòàòèíà (Àðîíîâ Ä.Ì., 2001)

Ëå÷åíèå è ïðîôèëàêòèêà àðòåðèàëüíîé ãèïåðòåíçèè, ñàõàðíîãî äèàáåòà: Ó ïàöèåíòîâ ñ ñàõàðíûì äèàáåòîì è ñîïóòñòâóþùåé àðòåðèàëüíîé ãèïåðòåíçèåé - ñíèæåíèå ÀÄ è àëüáóìèíóðèè (Eur J Clin Invest 2000 Nov;30(11):980-7)
Óìåíüøåíèå ðèñêà äèàáåòà (Circulation 2001;103:357-62; Clin Cardiol 2003;26 (Suppl. I), I-15-I-20)
Ñíèæåíèå ðåàêòèâíîñòè ãëàäêîìûøå÷íûõ êëåòîê ñîñóäîâ ê êàòåõîëàìèíàì (Cardiovasc Pharmacol 1999 Jul; 34(1):95-101)
Ñèìâàñòàòèí ïðåäîòâðàùàåò ðàçâèòèå èëè óìåíüøàåò ñòåïåíü ãèïåðòðîôèè ËÆ. (Àðîíîâ Ä.Ì., 2001)

Ëå÷åíèå è ïðîôèëàêòèêà íàðóøåíèé ðèòìà ñåðäöà: Ñòàòèíû îêàçûâàþò àíòèàðèòìè÷åñêîå äåéñòâèå (Àðîíîâ Ä.Ì., 2001)
Ó áîëüíûõ ñ èìïëàíòèðîâàííûì êàðäèîâåðòåðîì-äåôèáðèëëÿòîðîì (èññëåäîâàíèå AVID) ïðèìåíåíèå ñòàòèíîâ ñíèæàëî ðèñê âîçâðàòíûõ ýïèçîäîâ æåëóäî÷êîâîé òàõèêàðäèè è/èëè ôèáðèëëÿöèè æåëóäî÷êîâ; ó áîëüíûõ, ïîëó÷àâøèõ àìèîäàðîí, ïðèìåíåíèå ñòàòèíîâ ñíèæàëî ðèñê îáùåé ñìåðòíîñòè è êîðîíàðíîé ñìåðòíîñòè (N Engl J Med 1997;337:1576-83; Eur Heart J Suppl. Vol. 1 (Suppl C) Mar 1999:C2-C10; J Am Coll Cardiol 2003;42:81-92)

Ëå÷åíèå è ïðîôèëàêòèêà çàáîëåâàíèé ãîëîâíîãî ìîçãà: Óìåíüøåíèå ôîðìèðîâàíèÿ äåïîçèòîâ áåòà-àìèëîèäà, ñíèæåíèå ðèñêà äåìåíöèè (ñëàáîóìèÿ) (Clin Cardiol 2003;26(Suppl. I)I-15-I-20)
Ñíèæåíèå ðèñêà äåìåíöèè ïðè ïðèåìå ñòàòèíîâ (Àðîíîâ Ä.Ì., 2001)
Ýôôåêòèâíîñòü ñòàòèíîâ ïðè ëå÷åíèè è ïðîôèëàêòèêå áîëåçíè Àëüöãåéìåðà (Àðîíîâ Ä.Ì., 2001)
Óìåíüøåíèå óðîâíåé èçîïðåíîèä áåëêîâ (GGPP è FPP), êîòîðûå ÿâëÿþòñÿ âàæíûìè â êëåòî÷íîé ïåðåäà÷å ñèãíàëîâ (Clin Cardiol 2003;26(Suppl. I):I-15-I-20)

Ïðîôèëàêòèêà è ëå÷åíèå îñòåîïîðîçà: Ñèìâàñòàòèí è ëîâàñòàòèí ñíèæàþò ÷àñòîòó ïåðåëîìîâ êîñòåé ó ïîæèëûõ, â ò.÷. áåäðåííîé êîñòè (Àðîíîâ Ä.Ì., 2001)
Ñèìâàñòàòèí ó æåíùèí â ìåíîïàóçå ïîâûøàåò ïëîòíîñòü êîñòåé ïîçâîíî÷íèêà (Àðîíîâ Ä.Ì., 2001)
Óìåíüøåíèå äåÿòåëüíîñòè îñòåîêëàñòîâ ïðè îñòåîïîðîçå (Clin Cardiol 2003;26(Suppl. I):I-15-I-20)
Öåðèâàñòàòèí ñòèìóëèðóåò êîñòåîáðàçóþùèé áåëîê è îñòåîáëàñòû (Àðîíîâ Ä.Ì., 2001)

Ïðîôèëàêòèêà è ëå÷åíèå æåë÷íîêàìåííîé áîëåçíè: Ñèìâàñòàòèí è ëîâàñòàòèí ñíèæàþò íàñûùåíèå õîëåñòåðèíîì æåë÷è (Àðîíîâ Ä.Ì., 2001)
Ðàñòâîðåíèå êàìíåé æåë÷íîãî ïóçûðÿ ñèìâàñòàòèíîì (Àðîíîâ Ä.Ì., 2001)

Òåíäåíöèÿ ê óìåíüøåíèþ ñëó÷àåâ ðàêà è äðóãèõ îíêîëîãè÷åñêèõ çàáîëåâàíèé ïðè ïðèìåíåíèè ñòàòèíîâ (Àðîíîâ Ä.Ì., 2001). Íî çà èñêëþ÷åíèåì ïðàâàñòàòèíà!  èññëåäîâàíèè PROSPER ÷èñëî íîâûõ îíêîëîãè÷åñêèõ äèàãíîçîâ áûëî äîñòîâåðíî âûøå â ãðóïïå ïðàâàñòàòèíà íà 25% (ð=0,02) (Lancet 2003 Mar 29;361(9363):1135-6). Õîòÿ ñóùåñòâóþò áîëåå ðàííèå ìåòà-àíàëèçû, îïðîâåðãàþùèå îíêîãåííîñòü ïðàâàñòàòèíà.
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tourunov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåtourunov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåtourunov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåtourunov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåtourunov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåtourunov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåtourunov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåtourunov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåtourunov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåtourunov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Íåò, òàêèõ èññëåäîâàíèé è îáçîðîâ ÿ è ñàì ìîãó íàéòè ñêîëüêî óãîäíî - äîñòàòî÷íî ââåñòè â google ÷òî-òî òèïà statins beneficial effects... Áûëî ëè õîòü îäíî èññëåäîâàíèå, äîêàçûâàþùåå, ÷òî ñòàòèíû ñíèæàþò ðèñêè ïðè èñõîäíî íèçêîì óðîâíå õîëåñòåðèíà? ß íå çíàþ, ÷åñòíî. Òàê æå êàê íå çíàþ ñóáãðóïïîâûõ àíàëèçîâ â ðàìêàõ ìíîãî÷èñëåííûõ êðóïíûõ "ñòàòèíîâûõ" òðàéëîâ, ïîêàçûâàþùèõ ïîëåçíîñòü ýòèõ ëåêàðñòâ ïðè èñõîäíî íèçêîì óðîâíå õîëåñòåðèíà. Âîçìîæíî Âû çíàåòå?
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Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #20  
Ñòàðûé 13.11.2011, 00:20
Àâàòàð äëÿ Gilarov
Gilarov Gilarov âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Âðà÷-ó÷àñòíèê ôîðóìà
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 26.07.2001
Ãîðîä: Ìîñêâà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 7,196
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 713 ðàç(à) çà 691 ñîîáùåíèé
Gilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Èç óïîìÿíóòîãî ìåòà-àíàëèçà:
[Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ]

[Èçîáðàæåíèÿ äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì]

Êîììåíòàðèè ê ñîîáùåíèþ:
tourunov îäîáðèë(à): à êàê Âû ñ÷èòàåòå - ýòîé ïàöèåíòêå íóæåí ñòàòèí?
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #21  
Ñòàðûé 13.11.2011, 10:54
Àâàòàð äëÿ Korzun
Korzun Korzun âíå ôîðóìà
ÂÐÀ×
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 15.03.2005
Ãîðîä: Ãåðìàíèÿ
Ñîîáùåíèé: 24,430
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 1
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 10,437 ðàç(à) çà 9,607 ñîîáùåíèé
Korzun ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåKorzun ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåKorzun ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåKorzun ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåKorzun ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåKorzun ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåKorzun ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåKorzun ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåKorzun ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåKorzun ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåKorzun ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò tourunov Ïîñìîòðåòü ñîîáùåíèå
Íåò, òàêèõ èññëåäîâàíèé è îáçîðîâ ÿ è ñàì ìîãó íàéòè ñêîëüêî óãîäíî - äîñòàòî÷íî ââåñòè â google ÷òî-òî òèïà statins beneficial effects... Áûëî ëè õîòü îäíî èññëåäîâàíèå, äîêàçûâàþùåå, ÷òî ñòàòèíû ñíèæàþò ðèñêè ïðè èñõîäíî íèçêîì óðîâíå õîëåñòåðèíà? ß íå çíàþ, ÷åñòíî. Òàê æå êàê íå çíàþ ñóáãðóïïîâûõ àíàëèçîâ â ðàìêàõ ìíîãî÷èñëåííûõ êðóïíûõ "ñòàòèíîâûõ" òðàéëîâ, ïîêàçûâàþùèõ ïîëåçíîñòü ýòèõ ëåêàðñòâ ïðè èñõîäíî íèçêîì óðîâíå õîëåñòåðèíà. Âîçìîæíî Âû çíàåòå?
Ïðèâåäåííûé ìíîé îáçîð - ýòî ÌÎÉ ÑÎÁÑÒÂÅÍÍÛÉ (ÿ åãî äåëàë). Ññûëêè íà èíîñòðàííóþ ïåðèîäèêó ñîäåðæàò èññëåäîâàíèå, êîòîðîå äîêàçûâàåò ïîñòóëàò. Ýòî ÷àñòü ìîåãî áîëüøîãî è ìíîãîñòðàäàëüíîãî (äëÿ ìåíÿ) îáçîðà ñòàòèíîâ ñ ðàçíûõ ñòîðîí. Íå óâåðåí, ÷òî ãóãë äàåò ññûëêó íà íåãî...

Ïðèâåäó åùå îäíî èññëåäîâàíèå ïðè íèçêîì óðîâíå õîëåñòåðèíà: HPS (Heart Protection Study). Áîëüøîå è äîñòàòî÷íî èçâåñòíîå.
[Èçîáðàæåíèÿ äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì]
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ñ ïîæåëàíèÿìè êðåïêîãî çäîðîâüÿ
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #22  
Ñòàðûé 13.11.2011, 11:14
Àâàòàð äëÿ tourunov
tourunov tourunov âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Çàñëóæåííûé ó÷àñòíèê
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 14.01.2010
Ãîðîä: Ìîñêâà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 915
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 170 ðàç(à) çà 170 ñîîáùåíèé
tourunov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåtourunov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåtourunov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåtourunov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåtourunov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåtourunov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåtourunov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåtourunov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåtourunov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåtourunov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Öèòàòà:
êîíå÷íî, åñòü, èññëåäîâàíèå Jupiter
Ñïàñèáî. Íî, ñîãëàñèòåñü, 130 ìã/äë ýòî íå 1,4 ììîëü/ë, à ãîðàçäî áîëüøå. Âîïðîñ âåäü â òîì, íàäî ëè íàçíà÷àòü ñòàòèíû ïðè èñõîäíî óðîâíå ÕÑ ËÍÏ íèæå ðåêîìåíäîâàííîãî äëÿ ïàöèåíòîâ î÷åíü âûñîêîãî ðèñêà?
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #23  
Ñòàðûé 13.11.2011, 11:43
Àâàòàð äëÿ Korzun
Korzun Korzun âíå ôîðóìà
ÂÐÀ×
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 15.03.2005
Ãîðîä: Ãåðìàíèÿ
Ñîîáùåíèé: 24,430
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 1
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 10,437 ðàç(à) çà 9,607 ñîîáùåíèé
Korzun ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåKorzun ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåKorzun ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåKorzun ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåKorzun ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåKorzun ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåKorzun ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåKorzun ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåKorzun ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåKorzun ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåKorzun ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Ïðèìåíèòåëüíî ê ïåðåíåñåííîìó èíñóëüòó è ïðîôèëàêòèêå ïîñëåäóþùåãî.
AHA/ASA Scientific Advisory
Statins After Ischemic Stroke and Transient Ischemic Attack
[Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ]
Öèòàòà:
A meta-analysis also shows that the benefits of statins in reducing the rates of stroke and cardio-vascular events is independent of cholesterol levels and occur with other statins.
A Guideline for Healthcare Professionals From the American Heart Association/American Stroke Association
Guidelines for the Prevention of Stroke in Patients With Stroke or Transient Ischemic Attack
[Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ]
Öèòàòà:
Recommendations
1. Statin therapy with intensive lipid-lowering effects is
recommended to reduce risk of stroke and cardiovascular
events among patients with ischemic stroke
or TIA who have evidence of atherosclerosis, an
LDL-C level >100 mg/dL, and who are without
known CHD (Class I; Level of Evidence B).
2. For patients with atherosclerotic ischemic stroke or
TIA and without known CHD, it is reasonable to target
a reduction of at least 50% in LDL-C or a target LDL-C
level of<70 mg/dL
to obtain maximum benefit 51,57 (Class
IIa; Level of Evidence B). (New recommendation)
3. Patients with ischemic stroke or TIA with elevated
cholesterol or comorbid coronary artery disease
should be otherwise managed according to the
NCEP III guidelines, which include lifestyle modification,
dietary guidelines, and medication recommendations 59,60
(Class I; Level of Evidence A).
4. Patients with ischemic stroke or TIA with low HDL-C
may be considered for treatment with niacin or gemfibrozil 61,62
(Class IIb; Level of Evidence B) (Table 3).
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ñ ïîæåëàíèÿìè êðåïêîãî çäîðîâüÿ
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #24  
Ñòàðûé 13.11.2011, 19:46
Yariko Yariko âíå ôîðóìà
ÂÐÀ×
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 07.07.2008
Ãîðîä: Ìîñêâà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 5,871
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 16
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 2,141 ðàç(à) çà 2,050 ñîîáùåíèé
Yariko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåYariko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåYariko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåYariko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåYariko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåYariko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåYariko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåYariko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåYariko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåYariko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåYariko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò tourunov Ïîñìîòðåòü ñîîáùåíèå
Ñïàñèáî. Íî, ñîãëàñèòåñü, 130 ìã/äë ýòî íå 1,4 ììîëü/ë, à ãîðàçäî áîëüøå. Âîïðîñ âåäü â òîì, íàäî ëè íàçíà÷àòü ñòàòèíû ïðè èñõîäíî óðîâíå ÕÑ ËÍÏ íèæå ðåêîìåíäîâàííîãî äëÿ ïàöèåíòîâ î÷åíü âûñîêîãî ðèñêà?
äà, èññëåäîâàíèé ñ ïîïóëÿöèåé ïàöèåíòîâ ñ ËÏÍÏ ìåíåå 1,8 ììîëü íåò, íî ïðîöèòèðóþ ïîñëåäíèå ðåêîìåíäàöèè ñ ññûëêîé íà ìåòààíàëèç

Öèòàòà:
Every 1.0 mmol/L (- 40 mg/dL) reduction in LDL-C is associated with a corresponding 22% reduction in CVD mortality and morbidity. Extrapolating from the available data, an absolute reduction to an LDL-C level ,1.8 mmol/L (less than 70 mg/dL) or at least a 50% relative reduction in LDL-C provides the best benefit in terms of CVD reduction.
[Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ]
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Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #25  
Ñòàðûé 13.11.2011, 20:13
Àâàòàð äëÿ Gilarov
Gilarov Gilarov âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Âðà÷-ó÷àñòíèê ôîðóìà
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 26.07.2001
Ãîðîä: Ìîñêâà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 7,196
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 713 ðàç(à) çà 691 ñîîáùåíèé
Gilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
×åñòíî ãîâîðÿ, ÿ íå óâåðåí â òîì, ÷òî â äàííîì ñëó÷àå net clinical benefit ñòàòèíîâ òàê óæ õîðîøà. Àòåðîñêëåðîç êîðîíàðîâ íå äîêàçàí, èíñóëüò êàðäèîýìáîëè÷åñêèé - ÿ áû ñòàòèíû íå íàçíà÷àë, ïðîâåðÿëáû õîëåñòåðèí ðàç â ïîëãîäà- ãîä.

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audovichenko îäîáðèë(à): àãà
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #26  
Ñòàðûé 13.11.2011, 20:49
Àâàòàð äëÿ tourunov
tourunov tourunov âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Çàñëóæåííûé ó÷àñòíèê
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 14.01.2010
Ãîðîä: Ìîñêâà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 915
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 170 ðàç(à) çà 170 ñîîáùåíèé
tourunov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåtourunov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåtourunov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåtourunov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåtourunov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåtourunov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåtourunov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåtourunov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåtourunov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåtourunov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Öèòàòà:
Every 1.0 mmol/L (- 40 mg/dL) reduction in LDL-C is associated with a corresponding 22% reduction in CVD mortality and morbidity. Extrapolating from the available data, an absolute reduction to an LDL-C level ,1.8 mmol/L (less than 70 mg/dL) or at least a 50% relative reduction in LDL-C provides the best benefit in terms of CVD reduction.
Ñëåäóÿ ëîãèêå àâòîðîâ, íàäî ñòðåìèòüñÿ ñíèçèòü óðîâåíü ÕÑ ËÍÏ äî íóëÿ. Òàê ëè ýòî? Èëè 1,8 äîñòàòî÷íî?
Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò Gilarov Ïîñìîòðåòü ñîîáùåíèå
ÿ áû ñòàòèíû íå íàçíà÷àë, ïðîâåðÿëáû õîëåñòåðèí ðàç â ïîëãîäà- ãîä
Åäèíîìûøëåííèê!
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #27  
Ñòàðûé 13.11.2011, 21:21
GALINAF GALINAF âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Íà÷èíàþùèé ó÷àñòíèê
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 23.02.2009
Ãîðîä: Ìîñêâà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 79
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 142
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 1 ðàç çà 1 ñîîáùåíèå
GALINAF ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê ïîëîæèòåëüíî õàðàêòåðèçóåòñÿ íà ôîðóìå
Åùå ðàç îãðîìíîå ñïàñèáî çà èíòåðåñ ê òåìå.
Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò Gilarov Ïîñìîòðåòü ñîîáùåíèå
Àòåðîñêëåðîç êîðîíàðîâ íå äîêàçàí, èíñóëüò êàðäèîýìáîëè÷åñêèé - ÿ áû ñòàòèíû íå íàçíà÷àë, ïðîâåðÿëáû õîëåñòåðèí ðàç â ïîëãîäà- ãîä.
Óâàæàåìûé Ìèõàèë Þðüåâè÷, à íàëè÷èå ÀÑÁ ñî ñòåíîçîì 46% â ÎÑÀ ïðè ÄÑ òîæå ìîæíî ñ÷èòàòü íåäîêàçàííûì? Ïîéìèòå ïðàâèëüíî, ÿ ñîâñåì íå ñòðåìëþñü ê íàçíà÷åíèþ ñòàòèíîâ, íî õîòåëîñü áû ýòîò îòêàç ìàêñèìàëüíî àðãóìåíòèðîâàòü: èëè ÿ îòíîøó íàëè÷èå áëÿøêè ê ïîãðåøíîñòÿì ìåòîäà, èëè çàêðûâàþ ãëàçà íà åå íàëè÷èå ñ ó÷åòîì íèçêîãî óðîâíÿ ËÏÍÏ (äóìàþ, ïðè ñòàáèëüíîé êëèíè÷åñêîé ñèòóàöèè â äàííîì ñëó÷àå ïðîâåäåíèå àíãèîãðàôèè äëÿ âåðèôèêàöèè ÀÑÁ ÿâëÿåòñÿ ÷èñòî àêàäåìè÷åñêèì èíòåðåñîì, èëè ÿ íå ïðàâà?). Ìíåíèå êîíñóëüòàíòîâ ôîðóìà î÷åíü âàæíî äëÿ ìåíÿ.

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audovichenko îäîáðèë(à): çà÷åì àíãèîãðàôèÿ? ÌÑ-ÊÒ ñ êîíòðàñòîì íè÷óòü íå õóæå
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #28  
Ñòàðûé 13.11.2011, 22:20
Àâàòàð äëÿ VIAlena
VIAlena VIAlena âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Íà÷èíàþùèé ó÷àñòíèê
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 24.03.2011
Ãîðîä: Rus
Ñîîáùåíèé: 24
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 5
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 4 ðàç(à) çà 4 ñîîáùåíèé
VIAlena ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò õîðîøóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò Gilarov Ïîñìîòðåòü ñîîáùåíèå
Àòåðîñêëåðîç êîðîíàðîâ íå äîêàçàí, èíñóëüò êàðäèîýìáîëè÷åñêèé - ÿ áû ñòàòèíû íå íàçíà÷àë, ïðîâåðÿëáû õîëåñòåðèí ðàç â ïîëãîäà- ãîä.
Åñëè áû óáðàòü ôðàçó ïðî àíãèíîçíóþ ñèìïòîìàòèêó â òå÷åíèå 8 ëåò (ïëþñ ÓÇ ÄÑ - êîñâåííî ïîäòâåðæäàåò íàëè÷èå àòåðîñêëåðîçà) - òî âñå ëîãè÷íî è ïðè âñåõ îñòàëüíûõ óêàçàííûõ óñëîâèÿõ è äàííûõ ÕÑ ìîæíî áûëî áû è íå çàäóìûâàòüñÿ î ñòàòèíàõ. Íî ÿ, âî âñÿêîì ñëó÷àå, íå âèäåëà ýòó ïàöèåíòêó, íå ñîáèðàëà ó íåå àíàìíåç, è íå èìåþ î íåé ïðåäñòàâëåíèÿ êðîìå êàê òîãî, ÷òî çäåñü íàïèñàíî ëå÷àùèì âðà÷îì, ïîýòîìó íå ìîãó âîîáùå â êàêîé-òî ìåðå óâåðåííî ãîâîðèòü - íóæíû åé ñòàòèíû èëè íåò.

Ñ ó÷åòîì âûøå èçëîæåííûõ ìíåíèé: åñëè åñòü êëèíèêà ñòåíîêàðäèè, à ÕÑ â ïðåäåëàõ íîðìû, íàïðèìåð, ïåðåä âàìè ïàöèåíò, ïðè ðàçãîâîðå ñ êîòîðûì ñêëàäûâàåòñÿ îïðåäåëåííîå âïå÷àòëåíèå î òîì, ÷òî ó íåãî ñòåíîêàðäèÿ íàïðÿæåíèÿ, íàïðèìåð, 2 ÔÊ, íî ïîêàçàòåëè ÕÑ ïðèìåðíî òàêèå æå, êàê â ïðèâåäåííîì ñëó÷àå - âû áóäåòå íàçíà÷àòü ñòàòèíû èëè íåò? Èëè ïåðåä íàçíà÷åíèåì ñòàòèíîâ íóæíî äîêàçàòü àòåðîñêëåðîç êîðîíàðíûõ àðòåðèé (ÊÀÃ? ÌÑÊÒ?ïîêàçàíî ëè?)? Èëè íå îáðàùàòü âíèìàíèå íà êëèíèêó, à ðóêîâîäñòâîâàòüñÿ òîëüêî óðîâíåì ÕÑ äëÿ íàçíà÷åíèÿ ñòàòèíîâ?
Êîíå÷íî, íàâåðíîå, ó áîëüøèíñòâà âñå-òàêè ÕÑ áûë áû ïîâûøåí è, íàâåðíîå, òîãäà òàêîãî âîïðîñà áû íå âñòàâàëî. Íî íå âñåãäà âñå ñòàíäàðòíî. Èíòåðåñíû âàøè ìíåíèÿ, åñëè, ñêàæåì, âû - êàðäèîëîã/òåðàïåâò çà ïðåäåëàìè ñâîåãî âûñîêîîñíàùåííîãî ó÷ðåæäåíèÿ, è íóæíî íàçíà÷èòü ëå÷åíèå òàêîìó ïàöèåíòó - íàçíà÷èòå ñòàòèíû èëè íåò?
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #29  
Ñòàðûé 13.11.2011, 23:48
Yariko Yariko âíå ôîðóìà
ÂÐÀ×
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 07.07.2008
Ãîðîä: Ìîñêâà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 5,871
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 16
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 2,141 ðàç(à) çà 2,050 ñîîáùåíèé
Yariko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåYariko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåYariko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåYariko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåYariko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåYariko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåYariko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåYariko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåYariko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåYariko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåYariko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò tourunov Ïîñìîòðåòü ñîîáùåíèå
Ñëåäóÿ ëîãèêå àâòîðîâ, íàäî ñòðåìèòüñÿ ñíèçèòü óðîâåíü ÕÑ ËÍÏ äî íóëÿ. Òàê ëè ýòî? Èëè 1,8 äîñòàòî÷íî?
ïîêà, ðåêîìåíäóþò íèæå 1,8 ììîëü/ë. ×àñòî ñïðàøèâàþò, êàêîâ âîçìîæíûé áåçîïàñíûé íèçêèé óðîâåíü ËÏÍÏ.

Öèòàòà:
Can Low-Density Lipoprotein Be Too Low? The Safety and Efficacy of Achieving Very Low Low-Density Lipoprotein With Intensive Statin Therapy A PROVE IT-TIMI 22 Substudy
Stephen D. Wiviott, MD,*† Christopher P. Cannon, MD, FACC,*† David A. Morrow, MD, MPH, FACC,*† Kausik K. Ray, MD,† Marc A. Pfeffer, MD, PHD, FACC,* Eugene Braunwald, MD, MACC,*† for the PROVE IT-TIMI 22 Investigators Boston, Massachusetts
OBJECTIVES This study sought to evaluate the safety and efficacy of achieving very low calculated low-density lipoprotein (LDL) levels with intensive statin therapy.
BACKGROUND Intensive statin therapy reduces clinical events occurring after acute coronary syndrome (ACS) and may result in LDL levels markedly lower than guideline levels. Prior epidemiologic and preclinical studies raise concerns about the safety of very low cholesterol levels.
METHODS The Pravastatin or Atorvastatin Evaluation and Infection Therapy–Thrombolysis In Myocardial Infarction 22 (PROVE IT-TIMI 22) study compared intensive therapy (atorvastatin, 80 mg) and moderate therapy (pravastatin, 40 mg) in patients after ACS. Patients treated with atorvastatin were divided by four-month LDL values into groups: > 100, > 80 to 100 (reference-range-meeting guidelines), >60 to 80, >40 to 60, and < 40 mg/dl. Baseline, clinical, and safety data were compared among groups achieving guideline recommendation levels or lower.
RESULTS Among 1,825 patients with four-month LDL, 91% were at goal (<100 mg/dl). The distribution was 80 to 100 mg/dl (14%), 60 to 80 mg/dl (31%), 40 to 60 mg/dl (34%), and < 40 mg/dl (11%). Those with lower LDL levels were more often male, older, and diabetic, and had lower baseline LDL levels. They had prior statin therapy and fewer prior myocardial infarctions (MI). There were no significant differences in safety parameters, including muscle, liver, or retinal abnormalities, intracranial hemorrhage, or death, in the very low LDL groups. The < 40 mg/dl and 40 to 60 mg/dl groups had fewer major cardiac events (death, MI, stroke, recurrent ischemia, revascularization).
CONCLUSIONS Compared with patients treated with an accepted LDL goal (80 to 100 mg/dl), there was no adverse effect on safety with lower achieved LDL levels, and apparent improved clinical efficacy. These data identify no intrinsic safety concern of achieving low LDL and, therefore,
a strategy of intensive treatment need not be altered in patients achieving very low LDL levels. (J Am Coll Cardiol 2005;46:1411– 6)
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Ñ óâàæåíèåì
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #30  
Ñòàðûé 14.11.2011, 21:00
GALINAF GALINAF âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Íà÷èíàþùèé ó÷àñòíèê
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 23.02.2009
Ãîðîä: Ìîñêâà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 79
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 142
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 1 ðàç çà 1 ñîîáùåíèå
GALINAF ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê ïîëîæèòåëüíî õàðàêòåðèçóåòñÿ íà ôîðóìå
Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò VIAlena Ïîñìîòðåòü ñîîáùåíèå
åñëè åñòü êëèíèêà ñòåíîêàðäèè, à ÕÑ â ïðåäåëàõ íîðìû, íàïðèìåð, ïåðåä âàìè ïàöèåíò, ïðè ðàçãîâîðå ñ êîòîðûì ñêëàäûâàåòñÿ îïðåäåëåííîå âïå÷àòëåíèå î òîì, ÷òî ó íåãî ñòåíîêàðäèÿ íàïðÿæåíèÿ, íàïðèìåð, 2 ÔÊ, íî ïîêàçàòåëè ÕÑ ïðèìåðíî òàêèå æå, êàê â ïðèâåäåííîì ñëó÷àå - âû áóäåòå íàçíà÷àòü ñòàòèíû èëè íåò? Èëè ïåðåä íàçíà÷åíèåì ñòàòèíîâ íóæíî äîêàçàòü àòåðîñêëåðîç êîðîíàðíûõ àðòåðèé (ÊÀÃ? ÌÑÊÒ?ïîêàçàíî ëè?)? Èëè íå îáðàùàòü âíèìàíèå íà êëèíèêó, à ðóêîâîäñòâîâàòüñÿ òîëüêî óðîâíåì ÕÑ äëÿ íàçíà÷åíèÿ ñòàòèíîâ?
Êîíå÷íî, íàâåðíîå, ó áîëüøèíñòâà âñå-òàêè ÕÑ áûë áû ïîâûøåí è, íàâåðíîå, òîãäà òàêîãî âîïðîñà áû íå âñòàâàëî. Íî íå âñåãäà âñå ñòàíäàðòíî. Èíòåðåñíû âàøè ìíåíèÿ, åñëè, ñêàæåì, âû - êàðäèîëîã/òåðàïåâò çà ïðåäåëàìè ñâîåãî âûñîêîîñíàùåííîãî ó÷ðåæäåíèÿ, è íóæíî íàçíà÷èòü ëå÷åíèå òàêîìó ïàöèåíòó - íàçíà÷èòå ñòàòèíû èëè íåò?
Ñïàñèáî, ÷òî òàê âåðíî ìåíÿ ïîíÿëè Äîáàâëþ, ÷òî êðîìå âîçìîæíîãî êîðîíàðíîãî àòåðîñêëåðîçà ìû èìååì åùå è àòåðîñêëåðîç ÁÖÀ, ïîäòâåðæäåííûé ÄÑ. Òàê íóæíû ëè äîïîëíèòåëüíûå èññëåäîâàíèÿ (åñëè íå èíâàçèâíûå, òî äîðîãîñòîÿùèå -ÌÑÊÒ) äëÿ ïîäòâåðæäåíèÿ àòåðîñêëåðîçà, ò.å. èçìåíèòñÿ ëè òàêòèêà â îòíîøåíèè ñòàòèíîâ ïðè òàêèõ ïîêàçàòåëÿõ ëèïèäîãðàììû, åñëè àòåðîñêëåðîç áóäåò äîêàçàí óáåäèòåëüíî?
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