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Îïöèè òåìû Ïîèñê â ýòîé òåìå Îïöèè ïðîñìîòðà
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Ñòàðûé 23.05.2007, 19:05
Dr. Nika Dr. Nika âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Âåòåðàí ôîðóìà
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 19.01.2007
Ãîðîä: Ýôèîïèÿ
Ñîîáùåíèé: 2,221
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 423 ðàç(à) çà 411 ñîîáùåíèé
Dr. Nika ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. Nika ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. Nika ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. Nika ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. Nika ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. Nika ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. Nika ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. Nika ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. Nika ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. Nika ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. Nika ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Àíîðåêñèÿ èëè íåò?

Êîëëåãè, ïîìîãèòå, ïîæàëóéñòà, ñ èíôîðìàöèåé è ñîâåòîì.
Âîçìîæíî ëè òàêîå õîòÿ áû òåîðåòè÷åñêè – ÷òîáû àíîðåêñèÿ ñêàçàëàñü íà ïèùåâàðåíèè òàêèì îáðàçîì, ÷òî íàðóøåíà ïåðèñòàëüòèêà êèøå÷íèêà?
Âîïðîñ çàäàþ â îáùåì, òàê êàê íà ðóêàõ íåò âûïèñêè èç îáñëåäîâàíèé. Èç èñòîðèè: ïàöèåíòêà 35 ëåò, ðàíåå èìåëà êîìïëåêñ ïî ïîâîäó ïîëíîòû, ïðîáîâàëà ðàçíûå äèåòû, íî íå ýêñòðåìàëüíî. Ïîòîì îò äèåò îòêàçàëàñü, íî íà÷àëèñü ïðîáëåìû ñ ïèùåâàðåíèåì, ÷àñòàÿ ðâîòà, òîøíîòà. Ìîæåò ïðèíèìàòü âåñüìà îãðàíè÷åííîå êîëè÷åñòâî ïèùè è íå âñå âèäû, òîëüêî î÷åíü ïðåñíóþ è ïîñòíóþ åäó. Íà÷àëèñü ãîëîâîêðóæåíèÿ, ñêà÷êè äàâëåíèÿ. Ïîõóäåëà äî 43 êã ïðè ðîñòå 158 ñì (òî åñòü èíäåêñ óæå íèæå íîðìû). Îáñëåäîâàëà ãîðìîíû, ùèòîâèäêó, ðåïðîäóêòèâíûå îðãàíû (ìåíñòðóàëüíûé öèêë íå íàðóøåí), êðîâü íà áèîõèìèþ, êëèíè÷åñêèé àíàëèç, íà ãåëüìèíòîç, âêëþ÷àÿ çàáîð æåë÷è çîíäîì, êðîâîòîê â êðóïíûõ ñîñóäàõ øåéíîãî îòäåëà (íàøëè íåáîëüøîå ñóæåíèå îäíîé èç àðòåðèé, íî, ïî çàêëþ÷åíèþ, íå çíà÷èòåëüíîå, öèôð íå çíàþ), ÝÊà – â íîðìå. Ñàìà ïàöèåíòêà – âðà÷. Ïðîøëà íåñêîëüêî êóðñîâ ïñèõîòåðàïèè, íàñòóïàëî âðåìåííîå óëó÷øåíèå, íî íå íàäîëãî.
 îáùåì – íè÷åãî ñïåöèôè÷åñêîãî äëÿ åå ïðèñòóïîâ òîøíîòû, ðâîòû, îòòîðæåíèÿ ïèùè è ïîâòîðÿþùèõñÿ ãîëîâîêðóæåíèé íå íàøëè. ÌÐÒ ãîëîâû åùå íå äåëàëè, ïëàíèðóþò. Íî íåäàâíî ïîñìîòðåëè êèøå÷íèê ñ áàðèåì, îáíàðóæèëè, ÷òî âåðõíèå îòäåëû çíà÷èòåëüíî äèëàòèðîâàíû è ïåðèñòàëüòèêà â íèõ çíà÷èòåëüíî ñíèæåíà, à â íèæíèõ îòäåëà íàîáîðîò, ïåðèñòàëüòèêà óñèëåíà. Îòñþäà - íåâîçìîæíîñòü ïðèåìà íîðìàëüíîãî îáúåìà ïèùè, ÷óâñòâî ïåðåïîëíåíèÿ è òîøíîòà, à ïîòîì è ðâîòà.

Âîçâðàùàÿñü ê âîïðîñó – áîëüøèíñòâî âðà÷åé, îñìàòðèâàþùèõ ïàöèåíòêó, ïðèøëè ê çàêëþ÷åíèþ, ÷òî ïðè÷èíà – ïñèõîëîãè÷åñêàÿ. Âîçìîæíî – ïîñëåäñòâèå àíîðåêñèè. Ïðè ýòîì ïàöèåíòêà õî÷åò åñòü, õî÷åò âåñòè íîðìàëüíûé îáðàç æèçíè è õî÷åò ïîïðàâèòüñÿ, ïî åå ñëîâàì. Íî èç-çà ïðîáëåì ñ ïðèåìîì ïèùè íå ìîæåò. Äåïðåññóåò.
Ïîõîæå íà àíîðåêñèþ èëè èç äðóãîé îïåðû?

Ïàöèåíòêà - áëèçêàÿ çíàêîìàÿ, ëå÷èòü ÿ åå íå áóäó, êîíå÷íî, íå â ìîåé êîìïåòåíöèè, íî ïîäñêàçàòü, êóäà îáðàòèòüñÿ, õîòåëîñü áû.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
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Ñòàðûé 23.05.2007, 19:40
Àâàòàð äëÿ doctor101
doctor101 doctor101 âíå ôîðóìà
ÂÐÀ× êîíñóëüòàíò
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 24.07.2004
Ãîðîä: ISRAEL.HAIFA
Ñîîáùåíèé: 19,716
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 13
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 4,531 ðàç(à) çà 4,414 ñîîáùåíèé
Çàïèñåé â äíåâíèêå: 1
doctor101 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådoctor101 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådoctor101 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådoctor101 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådoctor101 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådoctor101 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådoctor101 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådoctor101 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådoctor101 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådoctor101 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådoctor101 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Öèòàòà:
Íî íåäàâíî ïîñìîòðåëè êèøå÷íèê ñ áàðèåì, îáíàðóæèëè, ÷òî âåðõíèå îòäåëû çíà÷èòåëüíî äèëàòèðîâàíû è ïåðèñòàëüòèêà â íèõ çíà÷èòåëüíî ñíèæåíà, à â íèæíèõ îòäåëà íàîáîðîò, ïåðèñòàëüòèêà óñèëåíà.
Ýòî îïèñàíèå íå ìîæåò óñòðîèòü âðà÷à.Îíî àáñîëþòíî íè÷åãî íå îòðàæàåò àíàòîìè÷åñêè.
×òî çíà÷èò âåðõíèå è íèæíèå îòäåëû.×òî èìåííî äèëàòèðîâàíî,ãäå ïåðèñòàëüòèêà óñèëåíà,ãäå ñíèæåíà/â ñîîòâåòñòâóþùèõ îòäåëàõ äîëæíî áûò óñêîðåííîå èëè çàìåäëåííîå ïðîäâèæåíèå âçâåñè,÷òî ñ ãàóñòðàöèåé.
Òàê ïðîñòî îïèñàòü,êàê îïèñàíî-íè÷åãî íå ñêàçàòü âíÿòíîãî.
Ìîæåò òàê ñëó÷èòñÿ,÷òî ïðîïóùåíà îðãàíèêà. çàâèñèìîñòè îò îòäåëà æêò,íå èñêëþ÷åíî ÷òî íóæíî ñäåëàòü áèîïñèþ,íî ýòî ïîòîì.Ïîêà æå ñ÷èòàþ íóæíûì ïîëó÷èòü ïðàâèëüíîå îïèñàíèå òîãî,÷òî âûÿâëÿåòñÿ îáúåêòèâíî.
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doctor Ðolonsky
israel
Ñíèìêè ñìîòðþ òîëüêî â ïðÿìîì ïîêàçå.,áåç íåîáõîäèìîñòè ñêà÷èâàíèÿ.
Ïðîñüáà ïîêàçûâàòü ñíèìêè â ïðàâèëüíîì ïîëîæåíèè.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
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Ñòàðûé 23.05.2007, 20:03
Dr. Nika Dr. Nika âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Âåòåðàí ôîðóìà
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 19.01.2007
Ãîðîä: Ýôèîïèÿ
Ñîîáùåíèé: 2,221
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 423 ðàç(à) çà 411 ñîîáùåíèé
Dr. Nika ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. Nika ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. Nika ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. Nika ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. Nika ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. Nika ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. Nika ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. Nika ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. Nika ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. Nika ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. Nika ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Ïîïðîáóþ ïîëó÷èòü îò íåå îïèñàíèå ð-ñêîïèè.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
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Ñòàðûé 23.05.2007, 20:16
Dr. Nika Dr. Nika âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Âåòåðàí ôîðóìà
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 19.01.2007
Ãîðîä: Ýôèîïèÿ
Ñîîáùåíèé: 2,221
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 423 ðàç(à) çà 411 ñîîáùåíèé
Dr. Nika ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. Nika ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. Nika ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. Nika ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. Nika ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. Nika ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. Nika ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. Nika ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. Nika ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. Nika ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. Nika ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Ïîâçîíèëà ( îíà â äðóãîé ñòðàíå), çàêëþ÷åíèÿ íà ðóêàõ íåò, ïî ïàìÿòè ïðîäèêòîâàëà : ãàñòðîïòîç 2é ñòåïåíè, äóîäåíîñòàç 3é ñòåïåíè, ÿâëåíèÿ õð ýíòåðèòà (áîëüøå â ïðàâûõ ïåòëÿõ - íåðàâíîìåðíîå íàêîïëåíèå áàðèÿ â ñòåíêàõ), óñêîðåíèå ïàññàæà ïî òîíêîé êèøêå (êîíòðàñò ïîÿâëÿåòñÿ â òîëñòîé êèøêå ÷åðåç òðè ÷àñà), ïíåâìàòîç â òîëñòîì êèøå÷íèêå.

Åùå äåëàëèñü: ãàñòðîäóîäåíîñêîïèÿ ïëþñ êîëîíîôèáðîñêîïèÿ - óìåðåííûå ñóáàòðîôè÷åñêèå èçìåíåíèÿ (äàííûõ çà êàòàðàëüíûå, âîñïàëèòåëüíûå èçìåíåíèÿ íå âûÿâëåíû)
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
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Ñòàðûé 23.05.2007, 22:26
Àâàòàð äëÿ doctor101
doctor101 doctor101 âíå ôîðóìà
ÂÐÀ× êîíñóëüòàíò
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 24.07.2004
Ãîðîä: ISRAEL.HAIFA
Ñîîáùåíèé: 19,716
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 13
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 4,531 ðàç(à) çà 4,414 ñîîáùåíèé
Çàïèñåé â äíåâíèêå: 1
doctor101 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådoctor101 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådoctor101 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådoctor101 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådoctor101 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådoctor101 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådoctor101 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådoctor101 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådoctor101 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådoctor101 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådoctor101 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò Dr. Nika
Ïîâçîíèëà ( îíà â äðóãîé ñòðàíå), çàêëþ÷åíèÿ íà ðóêàõ íåò, ïî ïàìÿòè ïðîäèêòîâàëà : ãàñòðîïòîç 2é ñòåïåíè, äóîäåíîñòàç 3é ñòåïåíè, ÿâëåíèÿ õð ýíòåðèòà (áîëüøå â ïðàâûõ ïåòëÿõ - íåðàâíîìåðíîå íàêîïëåíèå áàðèÿ â ñòåíêàõ), óñêîðåíèå ïàññàæà ïî òîíêîé êèøêå (êîíòðàñò ïîÿâëÿåòñÿ â òîëñòîé êèøêå ÷åðåç òðè ÷àñà), ïíåâìàòîç â òîëñòîì êèøå÷íèêå.

Åùå äåëàëèñü: ãàñòðîäóîäåíîñêîïèÿ ïëþñ êîëîíîôèáðîñêîïèÿ - óìåðåííûå ñóáàòðîôè÷åñêèå èçìåíåíèÿ (äàííûõ çà êàòàðàëüíûå, âîñïàëèòåëüíûå èçìåíåíèÿ íå âûÿâëåíû)
Ïðè òàêîâûõ äàííûõ èññëåäîâàíèÿ,ïðè îòñóòñòâèè çàáîëåâàíèé åþ ñîïðîâîæäàþùèõñÿ/ñì.ðåôåðàò/,ìîæíî ãîâîðèòü î ïåðâè÷íîé äèñêèíåçèè.
Àíîðåêñèÿ,â òàêîì ñëó÷àå íå ÿâëÿåòñÿ ïåðâè÷íîé,à ìîæåò ðàñöåíèâàòüñÿ êàê êîìïåíñàòîðíàÿ,çàùèòíàÿ.Ïàöèåíò ïðîñòî íå ìîæåò íîðìàëüíî ïðèíèìàòü ïèùó ïî îáúåêòèâíîé ïðè÷èíå.
[Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ]
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Ïðîñüáà ïîêàçûâàòü ñíèìêè â ïðàâèëüíîì ïîëîæåíèè.
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Ñòàðûé 23.05.2007, 23:09
Dr. Nika Dr. Nika âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Âåòåðàí ôîðóìà
      
 
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Dr. Nika ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. Nika ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. Nika ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. Nika ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. Nika ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. Nika ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. Nika ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. Nika ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. Nika ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. Nika ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. Nika ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Íî äî òîãî, êàê ïàöèåíòêà îçàáîòèëàñü ñâîèì âåñîì, à ýòî áûëî îêîëî 3-4 ëåò íàçàä, íèêàêèõ ïðèçíàêîâ äèñêåíåçèè íå áûëî. È ïîòîì - óëó÷øåíèå íàñòóïàåò ïîñëå ñåàíñîâ ïñèõîòåðàïèè è âî âðåìÿ îòäûõà. Íàïðèìåð, íåäàâíî áûëà íà ìîðå, ðàññëàáèëàñü, ïðîáëåì ñ ïèùåâàðåíèåì áûëî ãîðàçäî ìåíüøå.

Ñïàñèáî áîëüøîå çà ññûëêó, ñåé÷àñ ïðî÷òó.
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Ñòàðûé 24.05.2007, 14:32
Dr. Nika Dr. Nika âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Âåòåðàí ôîðóìà
      
 
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Dr. Nika ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. Nika ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. Nika ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. Nika ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. Nika ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. Nika ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. Nika ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. Nika ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. Nika ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. Nika ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. Nika ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Åñëè ïîñòàâèòü âîïðîñ ïî-äðóãîìó: äîïóñòèì, ýòî âòîðè÷íàÿ äèñêåíåçèÿ ÆÊÒ, âîçìîæåí ëè â ïåðâîïðè÷èíå ïñèõîãåííûé ôàêòîð? Òî åñòü, åñëè òàê -òî ëå÷èòü èìååò ñìûñë íå òîëüêî ìîòîðèêó, íî è äåïðåññèâíûé ôàêòîð ñíèìàòü? Äðóãèõ ïðè÷èí ÿ ïðîñòî íå ìîãó ïîêà îïðåäåëèòü èç òåõ âîçìîæíûõ äëÿ âòîðè÷íûõ äèñêåíåçèé, ÷òî îïèñàíû â ðàçíûõ èñòî÷íèêàõ.
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Ñòàðûé 24.05.2007, 14:45
Àâàòàð äëÿ Divisenko
Divisenko Divisenko âíå ôîðóìà
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Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò Dr. Nika
Åñëè ïîñòàâèòü âîïðîñ ïî-äðóãîìó: äîïóñòèì, ýòî âòîðè÷íàÿ äèñêåíåçèÿ ÆÊÒ, âîçìîæåí ëè â ïåðâîïðè÷èíå ïñèõîãåííûé ôàêòîð? Òî åñòü, åñëè òàê -òî ëå÷èòü èìååò ñìûñë íå òîëüêî ìîòîðèêó, íî è äåïðåññèâíûé ôàêòîð ñíèìàòü? Äðóãèõ ïðè÷èí ÿ ïðîñòî íå ìîãó ïîêà îïðåäåëèòü èç òåõ âîçìîæíûõ äëÿ âòîðè÷íûõ äèñêåíåçèé, ÷òî îïèñàíû â ðàçíûõ èñòî÷íèêàõ.
"Ñíèìàòü äåïðåññèâíûé ôàêòîð" âñåãäà èìååò ñìûñë. Êðîìå òîãî, ÷àñòî ïàöèåíòû ñ ÍÀ íà ñëîâàõ ãîâîðÿò, ÷òî õîòÿò åñòü è ïîïðàâëÿòüñÿ, íà äåëå ïðàêòèêóþò îáðàòíîå. Íóæíî ðàçáèðàòüñÿ...
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Ñòàðûé 24.05.2007, 15:14
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Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò Dr. Nika
Âîçìîæíî ëè òàêîå õîòÿ áû òåîðåòè÷åñêè – ÷òîáû àíîðåêñèÿ ñêàçàëàñü íà ïèùåâàðåíèè òàêèì îáðàçîì, ÷òî íàðóøåíà ïåðèñòàëüòèêà êèøå÷íèêà?
Âîò ÷òî ìîæíî ïðî÷åñòü â Feldman: Sleisenger & Fordtran's Gastrointestinal and Liver Disease, 7th ed ïî ïîâîäó Anorexia Nervosa
Öèòàòà:
Gastrointestinal Complications
Symptoms due to dysfunction of the esophagus, stomach, colon, pancreas, and liver are common. All symptoms except belching improve during refeeding and rarely require drug therapy, x-ray or endoscopic evaluation. [54]

Esophageal and Gastric Motility
Patients may complain of dysphagia for solids. In one series, half of patients were shown by manometry to have achalasia or nonpropulsive and repetitive contractions.[55] Whether or not the achalasia was a primary disorder or secondary to anorexia nervosa is uncertain, because both can present with vomiting and weight loss. In either case, malnutrition is the suspected underlying etiology for the dysmotility observed. Gastric motility is altered, with delayed emptying for solids but not liquids, consistent with an antral motility disturbance.[56] Gastric motility returns to normal following refeeding[57] (see Chapters 6 and 37).

Superior Mesenteric Artery Syndrome
Patients with anorexia nervosa can lose the retroperitoneal fat pad that protects the third portion of the duodenum from compression between the superior mesenteric vessels and the aorta/spine. Acute superior mesenteric artery syndrome, with severe postprandial pain, bloating, and vomiting, has been described[58] (see Chapters 8 and 120 ).

Abnormal Colonic Motility
Patients with anorexia nervosa complain of chronic constipation. Whether or not this is due to reduction in liquid intake or is a justification for laxative abuse is unclear. Melanosis coli from laxative abuse may be seen on endoscopy. In a study of patients admitted to an inpatient unit for treatment of their anorexia nervosa, colonic transit time assessed by radiopaque markers was 86 ± 17.8 hr in those patients studied within 3 weeks of admission, compared with 34.1 ± 4.1 hr in those studied after 3 weeks of nutrition therapy and 28.0 ± 8.6 hr in controls. Slow colonic transit time was shown to improve in patients restudied following refeeding, suggesting that slow transit time was a consequence of malnutrition[59] (see Chapter 12 ).

Hepatic Dysfunction
Patients with anorexia nervosa may have elevations in amino transferase levels, which return to normal on refeeding.[60] A twofold to tenfold elevation in AST, with small increases in alkaline phosphatase, can be seen. One case report of a liver biopsy performed 10 days following refeeding showed periportal inflammatory infiltrates.[61] However, a more recent report failed to find inflammatory infiltrates but did show excessive accumulation of glycogenx.[62] It should be noted that AST may be of skeletal, not hepatic, origin. Skeletal muscle biopsy in patients with anorexia has shown type 2 muscle fiber atrophy and abnormal accumulation of glycogen.[63] The increased stores of hepatic and skeletal muscle glycogen may explain why hypoglycemia is a rare event in patients with anorexia nervosa.
Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò Dr. Nika
Âîçâðàùàÿñü ê âîïðîñó – áîëüøèíñòâî âðà÷åé, îñìàòðèâàþùèõ ïàöèåíòêó, ïðèøëè ê çàêëþ÷åíèþ, ÷òî ïðè÷èíà – ïñèõîëîãè÷åñêàÿ. Âîçìîæíî – ïîñëåäñòâèå àíîðåêñèè. Ïðè ýòîì ïàöèåíòêà õî÷åò åñòü, õî÷åò âåñòè íîðìàëüíûé îáðàç æèçíè è õî÷åò ïîïðàâèòüñÿ, ïî åå ñëîâàì. Íî èç-çà ïðîáëåì ñ ïðèåìîì ïèùè íå ìîæåò. Äåïðåññóåò.
Ïîõîæå íà àíîðåêñèþ èëè èç äðóãîé îïåðû?
Îòòóäà æå:
Öèòàòà:
TABLE 17-4 -- Diagnostic Criteria for Anorexia Nervosa
A. Refusal to maintain body weight at or above a minimally normal weight for age and height
B. Intense fear of gaining weight or becoming fat, even though underweight
C. Disturbance in the way in which ones body weight or shape is experienced, undue influence of body weight or shape on self-evaluation, or denial of the seriousness of the current low body weight
D. In postmenarcheal women, amenorrhea, i.e., the absence of at least three consecutive menstrual cycles. (A woman is considered to have amenorrhea if her periods occur only following hormone, e.g., estrogen, administration)
In the restricting type of anorexia nervosa, the person has not regularly engaged in binge eating or purging using self-induced vomiting, misuse of laxatives, diuretics, or enemas; in the binge-eating/purging type, the person has regularly engaged in binge-eating or purging behavior.
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Clinical Features
Patients with anorexia nervosa typically come to medical evaluation because of weight loss. They often complain of epigastric discomfort, fullness following meals, and constipation. Amenorrhea is universal and may precede significant weight loss.

Differential Diagnosis
Other than a distorted body image, no specific symptoms, physical findings, or laboratory assessment make the diagnosis of anorexia nervosa. Table 175 lists common symptoms and the expected findings on physical examination and laboratory examination consistent with the diagnosis. In general, CBC and serum chemistries help exclude diagnoses such as malabsorption, malignancy, and psychiatric disorders associated with weight loss.


TABLE 17-5 -- Evaluation of Symptoms in Patients with Suspected Anorexia Nervosa*
[äîâîëüíî áîëüøàÿ òàáëèöà, êîððåêòíî êîòîðóþ âñòàâèòü ìíå íå óäàåòñÿ]
Vomiting; abdominal pain; bloating; obstipation; constipation__Abdominal distention with meals; succussion splash__Delayed gastric emptying; occasionally abnormal liver function test results

Malabsorption from celiac sprue, pancreatic insufficiency, parasitic intestinal infections, inflammatory bowel disease, or intestinal obstruction can present as weight loss and anorexia; additionally, patients complain of abdominal pain, bloating, nausea, vomiting, and diarrhea. Anemia and steatorrhea are present. In contrast to patients with anorexia nervosa, patients with malabsorption recognize their cachexia and are appropriately concerned (see Chapter 89 ).

Malignancy, particularly lymphoma and gastric cancer, can present with weight loss. The presence of a normal CBC and the absence of tumor mass or lymphadenopathy on physical examination will help rule out these disorders. Rarely, hypothalamic tumors can present with anorexia; patients typically complain of headaches and physical examination reveals papilledema.

Depression can present with anorexia, but the patient will be listless and withdrawn, not hyperkinetic. Hyperthyroidism can present with hyperactive behavior and weight loss, but the appearance of tremor and goiter, as well as elevated free T4 estimate and suppressed TSH, will make this diagnosis. Adrenal insufficiency can present with weight loss; however the patient will complain of fatigue and often have a normochromic anemia (see Chapters 26 , 29 , and 44 ).
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Ñòàðûé 24.05.2007, 15:47
Dr. Nika Dr. Nika âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
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Dr. Nika ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. Nika ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. Nika ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. Nika ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. Nika ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. Nika ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. Nika ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. Nika ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. Nika ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. Nika ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. Nika ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò Anthioh
"Ñíèìàòü äåïðåññèâíûé ôàêòîð" âñåãäà èìååò ñìûñë. Êðîìå òîãî, ÷àñòî ïàöèåíòû ñ ÍÀ íà ñëîâàõ ãîâîðÿò, ÷òî õîòÿò åñòü è ïîïðàâëÿòüñÿ, íà äåëå ïðàêòèêóþò îáðàòíîå. Íóæíî ðàçáèðàòüñÿ...
Ñïàñèáî çà îòâåò! Ìîëîäàÿ æåíùèíà î÷åíü ïåðåæèâàåò, ÷òî íå ìîæåò íàáðàòü âåñ èç-çà íåâîçìîæíîñòè íîðìàëüíî ïèòàòüñÿ. Ýòî íå òîëüêî ïî ñëîâàì, ýòî èç ëè÷íûõ äîëãñðî÷íûõ íàáëþäåíèé (õîòÿ, êîíå÷íî, 100% óòâåðæäàòü íå âîçüìóñü, íî îíà, ïî åå ñëîâàì "î÷åíü óñòàëà áîëåòü è î÷åíü õî÷åò âåðíóòüñÿ ê íîðìàëüíîé æèçíè".)
Ïî÷åìó ÿ îçàáîòèëàñü - íå àíîðåêñèÿ ëè ýòî, ïîòîìó ÷òî ïðè àíîðåêñèè â õîä èäóò áîëåå ñèëüíûå àíòèäåïðåññàíòû, âðîäå àìèíòðèïòèëèíà, åñëè ÿ íå îøèáàþñü, è òóò óæå íóæíà êîíñóëüòàöèÿ íå òîëüêî ïñèõîëîãà, à è ïñèõèàòðà, âîçìîæíî.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #11  
Ñòàðûé 24.05.2007, 15:55
Dr. Nika Dr. Nika âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Âåòåðàí ôîðóìà
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 19.01.2007
Ãîðîä: Ýôèîïèÿ
Ñîîáùåíèé: 2,221
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 423 ðàç(à) çà 411 ñîîáùåíèé
Dr. Nika ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. Nika ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. Nika ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. Nika ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. Nika ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. Nika ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. Nika ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. Nika ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. Nika ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. Nika ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. Nika ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò alexdr
Âîò ÷òî ìîæíî ïðî÷åñòü â Feldman: Sleisenger & Fordtran's Gastrointestinal and Liver Disease, 7th ed ïî ïîâîäó Anorexia Nervosa


Îòòóäà æå:

Âî-î-îò, ÷òî-òî òèïà ýòîãî..
Ñïàñèáî çà ïîäðîáíûå âûêëàäêè! Î÷åíü ïîçíàâàòåëüíî è îáúÿñíÿåò ìíîãèå âîïðîñû. Êàê ÿ óæå ïèñàëà, îçàáî÷åííîñòü âåñîì è îãðàíè÷åíèå ïèòàíèÿ áûëî ãîäà 3-4 íàçàä, ïîòîì âîçíèêëè ìíîãèå ïðèçíàêè äèñêåíåçèè, è ñåé÷àñ, ïîñëåäíèå äâà ãîäà, ïàöèåíòêà óæå ñàìà æåëàåò íàáðàòü âåñ è íîðìàëüíî ïèòàòüñÿ, íî äèñôóíêöèîíàëüíîñòü ÆÊÒ óæå íå ïîçâîëÿåò. Ïðè ñíèæåíèè èíäåêñà ìàññû òåëà àìåíîðåè íåò.
Òî åñòü â äàííûé ìîìåíò áîëüøå ïîõîæå íà "In contrast to patients with anorexia nervosa, patients with malabsorption recognize their cachexia and are appropriately concerned " Íî ìîæåò ëè ýòî áûòü ïîñëåäñòâèåì áûâøåé àíîðåêñèè?
À ìîæíî ññûëêó íà èñòî÷íèê öèòàò? Ïîïîäðîáíåå õîòåëîñü áû óçíàòü ïðî "Gastric motility returns to normal following refeeding". ×òî ïîäðàçóìåâàåòñÿ ïîä ðå-êîðìëåíèåì?

Ñïàñèáî åùå ðàç!
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #12  
Ñòàðûé 24.05.2007, 15:55
Àâàòàð äëÿ yananshs
yananshs yananshs âíå ôîðóìà Ïîë æåíñêèé
çàáàíåí
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 25.02.2003
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Ñîîáùåíèé: 9,664
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 15
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 56 ðàç(à) çà 51 ñîîáùåíèé
yananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåyananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåyananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåyananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåyananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåyananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåyananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåyananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåyananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåyananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåyananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
[Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ]
[Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ]
[Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ]
[Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ]

Êîììåíòàðèè ê ñîîáùåíèþ:
alexdr îäîáðèë(à):
Divisenko îäîáðèë(à):
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
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Ñòàðûé 24.05.2007, 16:08
Dr. Nika Dr. Nika âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Âåòåðàí ôîðóìà
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 19.01.2007
Ãîðîä: Ýôèîïèÿ
Ñîîáùåíèé: 2,221
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 423 ðàç(à) çà 411 ñîîáùåíèé
Dr. Nika ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. Nika ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. Nika ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. Nika ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. Nika ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. Nika ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. Nika ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. Nika ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. Nika ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. Nika ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. Nika ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò yananshs
[Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ]
[Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ]
[Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ]
Ñïàñèáî, ßíà. Î÷åíü ïîõîæå íà ýòî "Altered gastric emptying sets off a pathophysiologic reaction in patients with anorexia, which helps sustain a psychosocially induced commitment to dieting. Renourishment may be an important first step in treatment", íî âñå æå ìíå êàæåòñÿ ïàöèåíòêà íà äàííûé ìîìåíò íåíàâèä ñîâþ íåñïîñîáíîñòü íîðìàëüíî ïèòàòüñÿ è õî÷åò ïîïðàâèòüñÿ. Èìåííî ýòî è âûçûâàåò ó ìåíÿ ñîìíåíèÿ. Ìîæåò, èçíà÷àëüíî áûëà àíîðåêñèÿ, à ñåé÷àñ óæå , êàê ïîñëåäñòâèå, äèñêåíåçèÿ, íåóïðàâëÿåìàÿ íåìåäèêàìåíòîçíûìè ìåòîäàìè.
Ïðî÷òó ïîáîëüøå ïðî Renourishment.

Åùå ñìóùàåò, ÷òî âîçðàñò ïàöèåíòêè äàëåê îò ïîäðîñòêîâîãî, ïðîáëåìû íà÷àëèñü, êîãäà åé áûëî çà 30, çàìóæåì, äâîå äåòåé, ðàáîòàåò. Òî åñòü íå î÷åíü õàðàêòåðíûé ñòàòóñ äëÿ òèïè÷íîé àíîðåêñè÷êè.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
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Ñòàðûé 24.05.2007, 16:09
Àâàòàð äëÿ alexdr
alexdr alexdr âíå ôîðóìà
ÂÐÀ×
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 25.11.2005
Ãîðîä: Ìîñêâà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 3,187
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 306 ðàç(à) çà 297 ñîîáùåíèé
alexdr ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåalexdr ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåalexdr ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåalexdr ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåalexdr ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåalexdr ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåalexdr ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåalexdr ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåalexdr ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåalexdr ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåalexdr ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò Dr. Nika
À ìîæíî ññûëêó íà èñòî÷íèê öèòàò? Ïîïîäðîáíåå õîòåëîñü áû óçíàòü ïðî "Gastric motility returns to normal following refeeding". ×òî ïîäðàçóìåâàåòñÿ ïîä ðå-êîðìëåíèåì?
54. Waldholtz BD, Andersen AE: Gastrointestinal symptoms in anorexia nervosa. A prospective study. Gastroenterology 98:14151419, 1990.
55. Stacher G, Kiss A, Wiesnagrotzki S, et al: Oesophageal and gastric motility disorders in patients categorized as having primary anorexia nervosa. Gut 27:11201126, 1986.
56. McCallum RW, Grill BB, Lange R, et al: Definition of a gastric emptying abnormality in patients with anorexia nervosa. Dig Dis Sci 30:713722, 1985.
57. Rigaud D, Bedig G, Merrouche M, et al: Delayed gastric emptying in anorexia nervosa is improved by completion of a renutrition program. Dig Dis Sci 33:919, 1988.

Òåðìèí "refeeding" ÿ ïîíÿë êàê âîçâðàò ê íîðìàëüíîìó êîðìëåíèþ
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ðóêó êú ñåìó ïðèëîæèëú Àëåêñàíäðú
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #15  
Ñòàðûé 24.05.2007, 16:16
Dr. Nika Dr. Nika âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Âåòåðàí ôîðóìà
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 19.01.2007
Ãîðîä: Ýôèîïèÿ
Ñîîáùåíèé: 2,221
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 423 ðàç(à) çà 411 ñîîáùåíèé
Dr. Nika ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. Nika ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. Nika ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. Nika ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. Nika ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. Nika ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. Nika ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. Nika ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. Nika ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. Nika ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. Nika ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò alexdr
Òåðìèí "refeeding" ÿ ïîíÿë êàê âîçâðàò ê íîðìàëüíîìó êîðìëåíèþ
Ñïàñèáî, ïîèùó òåêñòû.
Íî âîçâðàò áåç ìåäèêàìåíòîâ ïîëó÷àåòñÿ íåâîçìîæíûì - îáúåêòèâíî ïðèñóòñòâóþò ïðèçíàêè äèñêåíèçèè, îíà ïðîñòî ôèçè÷åñêè íå ìîæåò íîðìàëüíî ïèòàòüñÿ â äàííûé ìîìåíò.
Èíòåðåñíî, åñëè ïîäêëþ÷èòü àíòèäåïðåññàíòû, òî åñòü ïîïûòàòüñÿ ñìÿã÷èòü âîçìîæíûé ïñèõîãåííûé ôàêòîð, óëó÷øåíèå ìîòîðèêè ÆÊÒ òîæå áóäåò áîëåå âåðîÿòíûì?
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