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Ñòàðûé 23.12.2009, 19:04
Margarita_tm Margarita_tm âíå ôîðóìà Ïîë æåíñêèé
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Àíåâðèçìà âîñõîäÿùåé àîðòû.

Äîáðîãî çäîðîâüÿ, óâàæàåìûå êîëëåãè.
 èíòåðíåòå íàòîëêíóëàñü íà î÷åíü èíòåðåñóþùóþ ìåíÿ èíôîðìàöèþ ýòî
ìåäèêàìåíòîçíàÿ òåðàïèÿ àíåâðèçìû àîðòû.
Ïðåäëàãàþ å¸ âàøåìó âíèìàíèþ:
" ñâîå âðåìÿ åùå ñýð Âèëüÿì Îñëåð — çíàìåíèòûé àíãëèéñêèé âðà÷, æèâøèé â êîíöå XIX — íà÷àëå XX âåêà, ãîâîðèë, ÷òî íåò äðóãîé òàêîé áîëåçíè, êàê àíåâðèçìà àîðòû, êîòîðàÿ áû çàñòàâèëà âðà÷åé ñêëîíèòü ãîëîâó. Ýòè ñëîâà ñïðàâåäëèâû è ñåãîäíÿ.
Ìíîãèå áîëüíûå ñ ðàçðûâîì áðþøíîé àíåâðèçìû óìèðàþò åùå íà ïóòè â áîëüíèöó, à ëåòàëüíîñòü ñðåäè òåõ, êîãî óäàëîñü ãîñïèòàëèçèðîâàòü, äîñòèãàåò 50 %. Ñòàíäàðòîì ëå÷åíèÿ ÿâëÿþòñÿ ïðåâåíòèâíûå ìåðû â îòíîøåíèè àíåâðèçìû, êîòîðûå ñâîäÿòñÿ ê ðàííåé äèàãíîñòèêå è ðåêîíñòðóêòèâíîìó õèðóðãè÷åñêîìó âìåøàòåëüñòâó. Ïîýòîìó íåäàâíåå èññëåäîâàíèå ÿïîíñêèõ ó÷åíûõ (K. Yoshimura è ñîàâò., «New England Journal of Medicine») î âîçìîæíîñòè ëåêàðñòâåííîé òåðàïèè àíåâðèçìû àîðòû ïðèâëåêëî ê ñåáå âíèìàíèå.
Èññëåäîâàòåëÿìè áûëî ïîêàçàíî, ÷òî äåãðàäàöèÿ ýêñòðàöåëëþëÿðíîãî ìàòðèêñà áåëêîâ ýëàñòèíà è êîëëàãåíà ÿâëÿåòñÿ ðåøàþùèì ôàêòîðîì â ïàòîãåíåçå àíåâðèçìû àîðòû. Îñîáåííî ýòî êàñàåòñÿ ìàòðèêñà ìåòàëëîïðîòåèíàç 2, 8 è 9, êîòîðûå ïðèâîäÿò ê äåãðàäàöèè ýêñòðàöåëëþëÿðíîãî ìàòðèêñà. Îêñèäàòèâíûé ñòðåññ, õðîíè÷åñêîå âîñïàëåíèå ìåäèè è àäâåíòèöèè ñîñóäà, ãåíåòè÷åñêèå ôàêòîðû ÿâëÿþòñÿ ïðè÷èííûìè â ýòîì ïðîöåññå. Ïîòåðÿ ýëàñòèíà â ñòåíêå àîðòû àññîöèèðóåòñÿ ñ åå äèëàòàöèåé, à ïîòåðÿ êîëëàãåíà ïðèâîäèò ê ðàçðûâó.
ßïîíöàì óäàëîñü ïîêàçàòü íà ýêñïåðèìåíòàëüíîé ìîäåëè (ìûøè), ÷òî ñòðåññàêòèâèðîâàííàÿ ïðîòåèíêèíàçà — Jun-N-terminal kinase (JNK) — ÿâëÿåòñÿ ðåøàþùèì ôàêòîðîì â ðàçâèòèè àíåâðèçìû áðþøíîé àîðòû. JNK, êîòîðàÿ ïðèíèìàåò ó÷àñòèå â ðàçëè÷íûõ ìåõàíèçìàõ âîñïàëåíèÿ, íèêîãäà ïðåæäå íå ðàññìàòðèâàëàñü êàê îäèí èç ïðè÷èííûõ ôàêòîðîâ â ïàòîãåíåçå àíåâðèçìû. JNK àêòèâèðóåò âîñïàëèòåëüíûå öèòîêèíû â ãëàäêîé ìóñêóëàòóðå ñîñóäèñòûõ êëåòîê. Ýòà ïðîòåèíêèíàçà òàêæå ðåãóëèðóåò ãåíû, ó÷àñòâóþùèå â áèîñèíòåçå è äåãðàäàöèè ýêñòðàöåëëþëÿðíîãî ìàòðèêñà. Áîëåå òîãî, àâòîðû ïîêàçàëè, ÷òî òêàíè èç àíåâðèçìû áðþøíîé àîðòû ó ÷åëîâåêà ñîâìåñòíî ýêñïðåññèðîâàëè ìàòðèêñ ìåòàëëîïðîòåèíàçû 9 è àêòèâèðîâàëè JNK è ÷òî èíãèáèòîð JNK ïîäàâëÿë âûñâîáîæäåíèå ìàòðèêñà ìåòàëëîïðîòåèíàç 9 è 2.
In vitro âñå î÷åíü õîðîøî, íî ðåàëüíûé èíòåðåñ çàêëþ÷àåòñÿ â òîì, âîçìîæåí ëè ýôôåêò èíãèáèðîâàíèÿ JNK in vivo.  ýòîé îáëàñòè ðåçóëüòàòû èññëåäîâàíèÿ ÿïîíñêèõ ó÷åíûõ âïå÷àòëÿþò. Àâòîðû ïîêàçàëè, ÷òî ëå÷åíèå ñ ïîìîùüþ SP600125 ïðåäîòâðàòèëî ðàçâèòèå àíåâðèçìû áðþøíîé àîðòû ó äâóõ ïîäîïûòíûõ ìûøåé. Ñ ïîìîùüþ òàêîãî ëå÷åíèÿ ïî÷òè ïîëíîñòüþ óäàëîñü èçáåæàòü äèëàòàöèè àîðòû è èñòîí÷åíèÿ ìåäèè, à òàêæå ñîõðàíèòü öåëîñòíîñòü ýëàñòè÷åñêîé ïëàñòèíêè. Áûëî òàêæå ïîêàçàíî, ÷òî JNK ñïîñîáñòâóåò äåãðàäàöèè òêàíè áðþøíîé àîðòû ïóòåì ïîäàâëåíèÿ ôîðìèðîâàíèÿ ýêñòðàöåëëþëÿðíîãî ìàòðèêñà. Âèäèìî, èíãèáèðîâàíèå JNK ïîñðåäñòâîì èñïîëüçîâàíèÿ SP600125 ìîæåò ïîâåðíóòü âñïÿòü ïðîöåññ äåñòðóêöèè ýêñòðàöåëëþëÿðíîãî ìàòðèêñà è, òàêèì îáðàçîì, ïðåäîòâðàòèòü äèëàòàöèþ, êîòîðàÿ ìîæåò ïðèâåñòè ê âîçíèêíîâåíèþ àíåâðèçìû. Ýòà ïîðàçèòåëüíàÿ ðåãðåññèÿ äèëàòàöèè àîðòû ïîçâîëÿåò ïîëàãàòü, ÷òî âîññòàíîâëåíèÿ è ñòàáèëèçàöèè ýêñòðàöåëëþëÿðíîãî ìàòðèêñà ìîæíî äîñòè÷ü ôàðìàêîëîãè÷åñêèìè ñðåäñòâàìè.
Ìîæåò ëè òàêàÿ òåðàïèÿ îãðàíè÷èòü âåðîÿòíîñòü ðàçðûâà àíåâðèçìû àîðòû, îñòàåòñÿ íåÿñíûì è òðåáóåò äàëüíåéøèõ èññëåäîâàíèé. Óñïåøíîå ëå÷åíèå ó äðóãèõ æèâîòíûõ ýêñïåðèìåíòàëüíûõ ìîäåëåé àíåâðèçìû ïîñðåäñòâîì SP600125 èëè äðóãèìè èíãèáèòîðàìè JNK ñäåëàåò çàêëþ÷åíèå ÿïîíñêèõ ó÷åíûõ áîëåå óáåäèòåëüíûì.
Èçâåñòíî, ÷òî â çîíå ðàçðûâà àíåâðèçìû óðîâåíü ìàòðèêñà ìåòàëëîïðîòåèíàç 8 è 9 çàìåòíî ïîâûøåí ïî ñðàâíåíèþ ñ èíòàêòíûìè ó÷àñòêàìè òîé æå ñàìîé àîðòû. Ýòè íàõîäêè ïîçâîëÿþò ïîëàãàòü, ÷òî íàðóøåíèå ëîêàëüíîãî áàëàíñà â ãîìåîñòàçå ýêñòðàöåëëþëÿðíîãî ìàòðèêñà ìîæåò áûòü îòâåòñòâåííûì çà ðàçðûâ àîðòû. Ôàðìàêîëîãè÷åñêèé ïîäõîä, íàïðàâëåííûé êàê íà ìàòðèêñ ìåòàëëîïðîòåèíàç, òàê è íà JNK, ìîæåò ïðèâåñòè ê ðåãðåññèè àíåâðèçìû àîðòû è óñèëèòü åå óñòîé÷èâîñòü ê ðàçðûâó."
«Ìåäèöèíñêàÿ ãàçåòà», ¹ 48, 02.06.2006
ß ïðîäîëæèëà ïîèñê íàäåÿñü ïîëó÷èòü áîëåå ñîâðåìåííûå äàííûå ïî ýòîìó âîïðîñó, îäíàêî íàøëà òîëüêî îäíó èíôîðìàöèþ íà àíãëèéñêîì ÿçûêå. Îíà ïåðåâîäèòñÿ.
Ïðåäëàãàþ å¸ âàì. [Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ] Ó ìåíÿ ê âàì âîïðîñ, âîçìîæíî ó êîãî òî åñòü áîëåå
ñîâðåìåííàÿ èíôîðìàöèÿ èëè âîîáùå âîçìîæíî óæå åñòü ïðåïàðàòû
ïðèìåíÿåìûå â êëèíèêå. Áóäó î÷åíü áëàãîäàðíà çà èíôîðìàöèþ.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
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Ñòàðûé 24.12.2009, 00:15
Àâàòàð äëÿ Gilarov
Gilarov Gilarov âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Âðà÷-ó÷àñòíèê ôîðóìà
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 26.07.2001
Ãîðîä: Ìîñêâà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 7,196
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 713 ðàç(à) çà 691 ñîîáùåíèé
Gilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Ïðåïàðàòîâ, ïðèìåíÿåìûõ ðåàëüíî íåò. Äèñòàíöèÿ îò ìûøè äî ÷åëîâåêà - îãðîìíàÿ. Äà è ñòàòüÿ òðåõëåòíåé äàâíîñòè. Íè÷åãî ñ òåõ ïîð ðåàëüíîãî íå ïîÿâèëîñü.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
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Ñòàðûé 24.12.2009, 14:47
Margarita_tm Margarita_tm âíå ôîðóìà Ïîë æåíñêèé
Íà÷èíàþùèé ó÷àñòíèê
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 23.12.2009
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Ñîîáùåíèé: 13
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Áëàãîäàðþ çà îòâåò. Íå ñîâñåì ñîãëàñíà ñ Âàìè. Ïîñëåäíèå ãîäû,
îáðàòèëè âíèìàíèå íà ðåçóëüòàòû ïîëó÷åííûå ïðè ïðèìåíåíèè ëàçîðòàíà.
 ðàçíûõ èñòî÷íèêàõ áûëî îòìå÷åíî óìåíüøåíèå ãèïåðòðîôèè ëåâîãî
æåëóäî÷êà è óëó÷øåíèå ïîêàçàòåëåé ñîêðàòèòåëüíîé ôóíêöèè, à òàê æå
Þ.Â. Áåëîâ, Î.Ì. Áîãîìîëüñêàÿ îòìå÷àþò ïðèìåíåíèå ëàçîðòàíà ó áîëüíûõ
ñ ñèíäðìîì Ìîðôàíà, êàê ïåðñïåêòèâíîå íàïðàâëåíèå.
Ñ óâàæåíèåì, Ìàðãàðèòà Þðüåâíà Àóçÿê,
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
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Ñòàðûé 24.12.2009, 15:06
Àâàòàð äëÿ Gilarov
Gilarov Gilarov âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Âðà÷-ó÷àñòíèê ôîðóìà
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 26.07.2001
Ãîðîä: Ìîñêâà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 7,196
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 713 ðàç(à) çà 691 ñîîáùåíèé
Gilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Óâàæàåìàÿ Ìàðãàðèòà Þðüåâíà!
Âñå áëîêàòîðû ðåöåïòîðîâ àíãèîòåíçèíà ñíèæàþò ÀÄ è, êàê ñëåäñòâèå, ìîãóò ñíèæàòü âûðàæåííîñòü ãèïåðòðîôèè è çàìåäëÿòü ïðîãðåññèðîâàíèå àíåâðèçìû àîðòû. Èññëåäîâàíèé, ïîêàçàâøèõ ïðåèìóùåñòâà ëîçàðòàíà ïåðåä äðóãèìè ÁÐÀ èëè, íàïðèìåð, èÀÏÔ ñ òî÷êè çðåíèÿ âëèÿíèÿ íà ïðîãðåññèðîâàíèå àíåâðèçìû àîðòû ìíå íå âñòðå÷àëîñü.
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Ñòàðûé 24.12.2009, 17:13
Àâàòàð äëÿ Abugov
Abugov Abugov âíå ôîðóìà
Ðåíòãåíîõèðóðã
      
 
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Çàïèñåé â äíåâíèêå: 2
Abugov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAbugov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAbugov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAbugov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAbugov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAbugov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAbugov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAbugov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAbugov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAbugov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAbugov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò Margarita_tm Ïîñìîòðåòü ñîîáùåíèå
Þ.Â. Áåëîâ, Î.Ì. Áîãîìîëüñêàÿ îòìå÷àþò ïðèìåíåíèå ëàçîðòàíà ó áîëüíûõ
ñ ñèíäðìîì Ìîðôàíà, êàê ïåðñïåêòèâíîå íàïðàâëåíèå.
Íèêãîäà íå âèäåë â ðóêàõ ó Áåëîâà ëàçîòðàí (ó Îëüãè Ìèõàéëîâíû, âïðî÷åì, òîæå)

Êîììåíòàðèè ê ñîîáùåíèþ:
Gilarov îäîáðèë(à): À ëÎçàðòÀí âèäåëè?
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Àáóãîâ Ñåðãåé Àëåêñàíäðîâè÷.
Ðîññèéñêèé Íàó÷íûé Öåíòð Õèðóðãèè èì. àêàäåìèêà Á.Â. Ïåòðîâñêîãî.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #6  
Ñòàðûé 24.12.2009, 17:31
Àâàòàð äëÿ FRSM
 FRSM  FRSM âíå ôîðóìà
ÂÐÀ×
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 12.06.2007
Ãîðîä: Airstrip One
Ñîîáùåíèé: 4,766
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 697 ðàç(à) çà 672 ñîîáùåíèé
FRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Êëèíè÷åñêèå èñïûòàíèÿ â ïðîãðåññå. ßñíî, ÷òî íè Áåëîâ, íè Áîãîìîëüñêàÿ â íèõ ó÷àñòèÿ íå ïðèíèìàþò. "Reporting in the June 26 issue of The New England Journal of Medicine, Johns Hopkins researchers showed that losartan-a compound used for years to treat high blood pressure-slowed the enlargement of the aorta, the most life-threatening defect associated with Marfan syndrome"


Losartan Versus Atenolol for the Treatment of Marfan Syndrome
ClinicalTrials.gov Identifier: NCT00593710

Êîììåíòàðèè ê ñîîáùåíèþ:
Gilarov îäîáðèë(à): Îíè áû åãî åùå ñ ðåçåðïèíîì ñðàâíèëè
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #7  
Ñòàðûé 24.12.2009, 17:40
Rodionov Rodionov âíå ôîðóìà
Âåòåðàí ôîðóìà
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 28.02.2004
Ãîðîä: Ìîñêâà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 9,764
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 804 ðàç(à) çà 733 ñîîáùåíèé
Rodionov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåRodionov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåRodionov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåRodionov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåRodionov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåRodionov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåRodionov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåRodionov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåRodionov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåRodionov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåRodionov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò Abugov Ïîñìîòðåòü ñîîáùåíèå
Íèêãîäà íå âèäåë â ðóêàõ ó Áåëîâà ëàçîòðàí (ó Îëüãè Ìèõàéëîâíû, âïðî÷åì, òîæå)
Ëàçîòðàí â íàäåæíûõ ðóêàõ:
[Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ]

Êîììåíòàðèè ê ñîîáùåíèþ:
Abugov îäîáðèë(à):
Iluhin îäîáðèë(à): )))))
Dr. îäîáðèë(à): ÐîñíàíîÍàíîëàçîòðàí!!
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #8  
Ñòàðûé 24.12.2009, 18:43
Pankov Pankov âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Ó÷àñòíèê ôîðóìà
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 08.03.2008
Ãîðîä: Ìîñêâà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 136
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 4
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 11 ðàç(à) çà 11 ñîîáùåíèé
Pankov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò îòëè÷íóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò Abugov Ïîñìîòðåòü ñîîáùåíèå
Íèêãîäà íå âèäåë â ðóêàõ ó Áåëîâà ëàçîòðàí
Ýòî âñå ïîòîìó, ÷òî ëàçîòðàí ó Þðèÿ Âëàäèìèðîâè÷à íà ãîëîâå!

[Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ]

Êîììåíòàðèè ê ñîîáùåíèþ:
Abugov îäîáðèë(à):
Rodionov îäîáðèë(à):
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #9  
Ñòàðûé 05.01.2010, 10:59
Àâàòàð äëÿ Abugov
Abugov Abugov âíå ôîðóìà
Ðåíòãåíîõèðóðã
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 20.02.2007
Ãîðîä: Ìîñêâà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 2,179
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 202 ðàç(à) çà 197 ñîîáùåíèé
Çàïèñåé â äíåâíèêå: 2
Abugov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAbugov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAbugov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAbugov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAbugov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAbugov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAbugov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAbugov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAbugov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAbugov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAbugov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Ëåíòà.ðó äëÿ ìåíÿ ÿâëÿåòñÿ íåîöåíèìûì èñòî÷íèêîì [Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ]
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Àáóãîâ Ñåðãåé Àëåêñàíäðîâè÷.
Ðîññèéñêèé Íàó÷íûé Öåíòð Õèðóðãèè èì. àêàäåìèêà Á.Â. Ïåòðîâñêîãî.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #10  
Ñòàðûé 05.01.2010, 14:40
Margarita_tm Margarita_tm âíå ôîðóìà Ïîë æåíñêèé
Íà÷èíàþùèé ó÷àñòíèê
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 23.12.2009
Ãîðîä: ×åðíîöû Óêðàèíà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 13
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 4
Margarita_tm *
Óâàæàåìûé Ñåðãåé Àëåêñàíäðîâè÷, áëàãîäàðþ çà èíôîðìàöèþ. Ïîçäðàâëÿþ Âñåõ, ñ Íîâûì ãîäîì!
Èíòåðåñíî, êîãäà áûëè ïðîèçâåäåíû ýòè îïåðàöèè è åñòü ëè êàêèå òî
íàáëþäåíèÿ îòäàëåííûõ ðåçóëüòàòîâ? Äåëî â òîì, ÷òî ìíå â ðàçãîâîðå
ñ Èëüåé Íèêîëàåâè÷åì Åìöåì (Êèåâ, Îõìàòäåò) áûëî ñêàçàíî, ÷òî, îò ïîäîáíîãî
âèäà îïåðàòèâíîãî ëå÷åíèÿ àíåâðèçìû àîðòû â ïîñëåäíåå âðåìÿ îòêàçàëèñü.
Âîïðîñ ðàäèêàëüíîé ïîìîùè ïðè ñèíäðîìå Ìàðôàíà çàêëþ÷àåòñÿ â
êîððåêöèè áèîõèìè÷åñêèõ ïðîöåññîâ â òêàíÿõ ñàìîé àîðòû.  ñâÿçè ñ
ýòèì, ïîñëå îïåðàöèè âîçìîæíî äàëüíåéøåå ðàçâèòèå àíåâðèçìû â
äðóãîì îòðåçêå àîðòû. Èëè åñòü íàáëþäåíèÿ îñòàíîâêè ïðîöåññà?
Ñ óâàæåíèåì, Ìàðãàðèòà Àóçÿê.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #11  
Ñòàðûé 05.01.2010, 15:48
Àâàòàð äëÿ Abugov
Abugov Abugov âíå ôîðóìà
Ðåíòãåíîõèðóðã
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 20.02.2007
Ãîðîä: Ìîñêâà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 2,179
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 202 ðàç(à) çà 197 ñîîáùåíèé
Çàïèñåé â äíåâíèêå: 2
Abugov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAbugov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAbugov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAbugov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAbugov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAbugov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAbugov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAbugov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAbugov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAbugov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAbugov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò Margarita_tm Ïîñìîòðåòü ñîîáùåíèå
Óâàæàåìûé Ñåðãåé Àëåêñàíäðîâè÷, áëàãîäàðþ çà èíôîðìàöèþ.
Óâàæàåìàÿ Ìàðãàðèòà! Èçâèíèòå, ÿ îïÿòü ïîøóòèë. Èç îáðûâî÷íîãî ñîîáùåíèÿ íà ëåíòå.ðó òðóäíî ïîíÿòü îñîáåííîñòè ìåòîäèêè.  ëþáîì ñëó÷àå, ýêçîïðîòåçèðîâàíèå íåáîëüøîãî ó÷àñòêà àîðòû ïðè ñèíäðîìå Ìàðôàíà íå âûãëÿäèò ëîãè÷íûì. Èäåè ìåäèêàìåíòîçíîãî óêðåïëåíèÿ ñîñóäèñòîé ñòåíêè , ÈÌÕÎ êîíå÷íî, íå áîëåå, ÷åì êðàñî÷íûå ìå÷òû. Ïîêà, ê ñîæàëåíèþ, ê îòíîñèòåëüíî ðàäèêàëüíûì ìåòîäàì ëå÷åíèÿ àíåâðèçìû ïðè ñ-ìå Ìàðôàíà, ìîæíî îòíåñòè òîëüêî ýòàïíóþ çàìåíó âñåé àîðòû. Ïðè÷¸ì, ñëîâî âñåé ÿâëÿåòñÿ êëþ÷åâûì. Ïîñêîëüêó äàæå ïëîùàäêè, íà êîòîðûõ ðåèìïëàíòèðóþòñÿ ãðóïïû âåòâåé, ÿâëÿþòñÿ ïîòåíöèàëüíûìè èñòî÷íèêàìè âîçíèêíîâåíèÿ íîâûõ àíåâðèçì.
Íåäàâíî Áåëîâ ñäåëàë ïîòðÿñàþùóþ îïåðàöèþ. Áîëüíîìó, â äðóãîé êëèíèêå, ïðîòåçèðîâàëè íåáîëüøîé ó÷àñòîê áðþøíîé àîðòû. ×åðåç ïîëãîäà áîëüíîé ïîñòóïèë ê íàì ñ àíåâðèçìàìè îáîèõ àíàñòàìîçîâ äèàìåòðîì 10 è 12 ñì!!! Áåëîâ ðåïðîòåçèðîâàë áðþøíóþ àîðòó ñ ó÷àñòêîì ãðóäíîé è ïîäãîòîâèë íàì ïëîùàäêó äëÿ áóäóùåãî ñòåíòèðîâàíèÿ ãðóäíîé àîðòû. Òðåòüèì ýòàïîì áóäåò çàìåíà âîñõîäÿùåé è ãîðèçîíòàëüíîé ÷àñòåé.
Âïðî÷åì, åñëè ÿ îøèáàþñü è â áëèæàéøåå âðåìÿ ìû óâèäèì ýôôåêòèâíûå ìåäèêàìåíîçíûå ñðåäñòâà, óêðåïëÿþùèå ñòåíêó àîðòû, áóäó ÷ðåçâû÷àéíî ðàä.
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Àáóãîâ Ñåðãåé Àëåêñàíäðîâè÷.
Ðîññèéñêèé Íàó÷íûé Öåíòð Õèðóðãèè èì. àêàäåìèêà Á.Â. Ïåòðîâñêîãî.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #12  
Ñòàðûé 05.01.2010, 15:56
Àâàòàð äëÿ FRSM
 FRSM  FRSM âíå ôîðóìà
ÂÐÀ×
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 12.06.2007
Ãîðîä: Airstrip One
Ñîîáùåíèé: 4,766
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 697 ðàç(à) çà 672 ñîîáùåíèé
FRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
"Ëåíòà", äåéñòâèòåëüíî, íå ëó÷øèé èñòî÷íèê ìóäðîñòè. Íî ñðàâíèòü, ÈÌÕÎ, âñåãäà ñòîèò:

Interactive CardioVascular and Thoracic Surgery 2009, doi:10.1510/icvts.2009.220319A
© 2009 European Association of Cardio-Thoracic Surgery

This paper [1] is very important as it finally provides the old, simple and theoretically incontestable [2] principle of the aneurysm external wrapping with a thorough and reproducible surgical solution, thus opening the way to wider and systematic clinical application in the appropriate patients.

An important aspect of this paper, at least in my opinion, is the fact that the described technique is in line with the concept of aortic wall strengthening, implicit in the mesh structure of the prosthesis used as well as in the name given to the repair (EARS – external aortic root support), rather than full prosthetic substitution, which is still the final aim of the standard treatment for aneurysm.

Appreciation that strengthening rather than substitution is the repair theoretically proportionate to the primary lesion to be treated (weakening of the aortic wall) may offer new perspectives not only in external, as in this Brompton Hospital and University College London report, but also and probably mainly, in endovascular repair. Net prosthesis [3], bespoke to the aortic tract to be reinforced, with a larger mesh (≥ 5 mm [3]) and a structure ideally shaped to be kept in contact with the aortic wall by the blood stream itself, within 2-4 weeks is totally incorporated into the intima layer [3], thus providing enough endovascular aortic wall strengthening to arrest aneurysm progression, without interferring with collateral branches circulation (see video and paper at: [Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ]). This will be obviously particularly useful in those aortic tracts where standard repair is mostly dangerous because of the very low ischemic tolerance of tissues perfused by collateral branches (i.e. aortic arch and thoraco-abdominal tract of the aorta).

Marfan patients moreover may represent, for their very frequent aortic aneurysm development and progression, an ideal, first group of patients that could take advantage of early, prophylactic, endovascular net prosthesis reinforcement. Obviously the expected advantage of endovascular net prosthesis repair cannot be extended ipso facto to the aortic valve, which is efficiently provided, at least at one year [1], by the whole ascending aorta external wrapping described by the authors [1].

References

[1] Pepper J, Golesworthy T, Utley M, Chan J, Ganeshalingam S, Lamperth M, Mohiaddin R, Treasure T. Manufactoring and placing a bespoke support for the Marfan aortic root: description of the method and technical results and status at one year for the first ten patients. Interact CardioVasc Thorac Surg doi:10.1510/icvts.2009.220319.

[2] Robicsek F, Thubrikar MJ. Hemodynamic considerations regarding the mechanism and prevention of aortic dissection. Ann Thorac Surg 1994;58:1247-1253.

[3] Nazari S, Luzzana F, Carli F, Mourad Z, Salvi S, Guagliano A, Banfi C, Cinquini C. Aortic wall structural strenghtening by intraluminal net prosthesis to arrest aneurysm progression and to prevent dissection and rupture. Eur J Cardiothorac Surg 1996;10:264-272.

Stefano Nazari
Fondazione Alexis Carrel, Via Marconi, Res Parco 152, 20080 Basiglio, MI, Italy
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