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Îïöèè òåìû Ïîèñê â ýòîé òåìå Îïöèè ïðîñìîòðà
  #46  
Ñòàðûé 24.06.2003, 11:59
AlexT AlexT âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Âðà÷-ó÷àñòíèê ôîðóìà
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 12.06.2003
Ãîðîä: Êðèâîé Ðîã
Ñîîáùåíèé: 861
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 64 ðàç(à) çà 61 ñîîáùåíèé
AlexT ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexT ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexT ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexT ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexT ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexT ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexT ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexT ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexT ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexT ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexT ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Óâ. äîêòîð Æèâîâ!

Ïðèâîæó çàìåòêó èç âûøåóïîìÿíóòîãî àâñòðàëèéñêîãî ðóêîâîäñòâà ïî ÂÏ×:

Immunosuppressed Patients
Persons who are immunosuppressed because of HIV or other reasons may not respond as
well as immunocompetent persons to therapy for genital warts, and they may have more
frequent recurrences after treatment. Immunosuppressed women should have cervical Pap
smears annually, with early referral for colposcopy if abnormalities are detected. Squamous
cell carcinomas arising in SILs resembling genital warts occur more frequently among
immunosuppressed persons.

Äëÿ âûÿâëåíèÿ òàêîé èììóíîñóïðåñèè òðàäèöèîííàÿ èììóíîãðàììà è ïðèìåíÿåòñÿ âî âñåì ìèðå.
Òàêèì îáðàçîì, êàê ìåòîä âòîðîãî ýòàïà èììóíîëîãè÷åñêîãî îáñëåäîâàíèÿ (ïîñëå àíàìíåçà), èììóíîãðàììà ìîæåò áûòü ïîëåçíà â ïðîãíîçå òå÷åíèÿ , îòâåòà íà ëå÷åíèå ÂÏ×-èíôåêöèè è åå ðåöèäèâîâ.

Êàê ïðàâèëî, êàòåãîðè÷åñêèå âûñêàçûâàíèÿ (î ïîëíîé áåñïîëåçíîñòè èììóíîãðàììû ïðè ÂÏ×, íàïðèìåð) â ìåäèöèíå ðåäêî îêàçûâàþòñÿ ïðàâèëüíûìè.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #47  
Ñòàðûé 25.06.2003, 01:14
Zhivov Zhivov âíå ôîðóìà
Âåòåðàí ôîðóìà
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 20.08.2001
Ñîîáùåíèé: 3,792
Zhivov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåZhivov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåZhivov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåZhivov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåZhivov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåZhivov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåZhivov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåZhivov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåZhivov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåZhivov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåZhivov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Ñêàæèòå íà ìèëîñòü Àëåêñ,
Ãäå Âû íàøëè â äàííîì ãàéäëàéíå è ãäå ëèáî åùå, õàðàêòåðèñòèêè èììóíîãðàììû, êîòîðûå áû ãîâîðèëè î òîì êîíêðåòíî, ÷òî äàííàÿ ïàöèåíòêà èìååò ïîâûøåííûé ðèñê ðåöèäèâà êîíäèëëîì, öåðâèêàëüíîãî ðàêà è ò.ï. êîíêðåòíûå âåùè. Ãäå ïðÿìîå óêàçàíèå, ÷òî èììóíîãðàììó áîëüíûì HPV ñâÿçàííûì áîëåçíÿì íàäî îáÿçàòåëüíî äåëàòü äëÿ ÷åãî-ëèáî? Ãäå åñòü óêàçàíèÿ, ÷òî èììóíîãðàììà èìåþò íåêóþ äîïîëíèòåëüíóþ öåííîñòü ê îáû÷íîìó ñáîðó àíàìíåçà? Ãäå öåííîñòü ýòîãî èññëåäîâàíèÿ îõàðàêòåðèçîâàíà ñïåöèôè÷íîñòüþ è ÷óâñòâèòåëüíîñòüþ?

Áåçóñëîâíî, èììóíîêîìïðîìåòèðîâàííûé áîëüíîé, åñòü èììóíîêîìïðîìåòèðîâàííûé áîëüíîé. Íî ÷òî êîíêðåòíîãî íàì ñêàæóò ïîêàçàòåëè èììóíîãðàììû? ×òî ïîáóäèòåëüíîãî ê íåêèì êîíêðåòíûì äåéñòâèÿì è îöåíêàì äîáàâÿò ê àíàìíåçó è ò.ä. Òîëüêî êîíêðåòíîãî ïîæàëóéñòà!

P.S. Âàì äëÿ èíôîðìàöèè, Àëåêñ. Îçîí è âñåñèëüíûé îðãàíèçì, êîòîðûé ñàì ñåáÿ áåç "íåíóæíûõ" è "òóïèêîâûõ" â ñâîåì ðàçâèòèè ëåêàðñòâ è îïåðàöèé ÿêîáû èçëå÷èâàåò ÷óòü ëè íå îò âñåõ áîëåçíåé ïîä äåéñòâèåì îçîíà ó Âëàäèìðà ßêîâëåâè÷à ïðè âñåì, îò ðàêà äî, ïðîñòèòå, òðèïåðà.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #48  
Ñòàðûé 25.06.2003, 14:17
AlexT AlexT âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Âðà÷-ó÷àñòíèê ôîðóìà
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 12.06.2003
Ãîðîä: Êðèâîé Ðîã
Ñîîáùåíèé: 861
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 64 ðàç(à) çà 61 ñîîáùåíèé
AlexT ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexT ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexT ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexT ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexT ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexT ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexT ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexT ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexT ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexT ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexT ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Îïÿòü ñêàæó: äà ïðè ÷åì çäåñü îçîíîòåðàïèÿ???

Èíòåðåñíàÿ ëîãèêà ïîëó÷àåòñÿ :
Ñëîâî ïðîòèâ Æèâîâà - ýòî ñëîâî ïðîòèâ EBM, ñëîâî çà Çàéöåâà - ðåêëàìà îçîíîòåðàïèè?
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #49  
Ñòàðûé 29.06.2003, 10:44
E.E. Studentsov E.E. Studentsov âíå ôîðóìà
Çàñëóæåííûé ó÷àñòíèê
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 29.06.2003
Ãîðîä: New York, USA
Ñîîáùåíèé: 834
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 2
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 6 ðàç(à) çà 4 ñîîáùåíèé
E.E. Studentsov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåE.E. Studentsov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåE.E. Studentsov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåE.E. Studentsov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåE.E. Studentsov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåE.E. Studentsov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåE.E. Studentsov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåE.E. Studentsov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåE.E. Studentsov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåE.E. Studentsov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåE.E. Studentsov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Óâàæàåìûé Àëåêñ,

 íàñòîÿùåå âðåìÿ íà Çàïàäå, â ÑØÀ â ÷àñíîñòè, íèêîãî ëå÷åíèÿ ïîëîâîãî ïàðòí¸ðà ïàöèåíòà ñ âûÿâëåíîé ïàïèëëîìàâèðóñíîé èíôåêöèåé íå ïðîâîäèòñÿ, åñëè ó ïåðâîãî, êîíå÷íî, íåò êàêèõ ëèáî êîñìåòè÷åñêèõ æàëîá, êàê òî - áîðîäàâêè. Ìàëî òîãî, â ðàìêàõ êëèíè÷åñêîé ìåäèöèíû íå ïðîâîäÿò äàæå òåñòèðîâàíèÿ ïîëîâîãî ïàðòíåðà, ò.ê. ðåçóëüòàò òåñòà íå âíåñ¸ò êîððåêòèðîâêè â òàêòèêó ëå÷åíèÿ. À ëå÷àò/íàáëþäàþò òîëüêî æåíùèíó. Äàííàÿ òàêòèêà ïîäðîáíî îïèñàíà â àïðåëüñêîì íîìåðå JAMA çà 2002 ãîä (" 2001 Consensus Guidelines for the Management of Women with Cervical Cytological Abnormalites" JAMA, 2002 vol. 287 No 16, 2120-29). Ýòî ñàìîå ëó÷øåå è ýôôåêòèâíîå íà ñåãîäíÿøíèé äåíü, ïîýòîìó ðåêîìåíäóþ âñåì ðîññèéñêèì ñïåöèàëèñòàì âîîðóæèòñÿ èìåííî ýòèì ðóêîâîäñòâîì. Ïîñëåäíåå ðóêîâîäñòâî ïî ðàííåé äèàãíîñòèêå öåðâèêàëüíîé íåîïëàçèè è ðàêà èçëîæåíî â íîÿáðüñêîì íîìåðå Cancer Journal for Clinicians çà 2002 ãîä ("American Cancer Society guideline for the early detection of cervical neoplasia and cancer" CA Cancer J Clin. 2002 Nov-Dec;52(6):342-62. Review) Ïî ïîâîäó òåñò-ñèñòåì. Äëÿ âðà÷à-êëèíèöèñòà âàæíî çíàòü íå êîíêðåòíûé òèï HPV, à ãðóïïó, ê êîòîðîé îí îòíîñèòñÿ: high-risk group (HPV-16/-18/-31/-33/-35/-39/-45/-51/-52/-56/-58/-59/-66/-68/-69)or low-risk group (êóäà âõîäÿò 6,11 - îñíîâíûå òèïû âèðóñà, âûçûâàþùèå îñòðîêîíå÷íûå êoíäèëîìû). Ïîýòîìó, â ïåðâóþ î÷åðåäü øèðîêîå ïðèìåíåíèå â ïðàêòèêå ïîëó÷èë ñêðèíèíãîâûé Hybrid Capture® 2 High-Risk HPV DNA Test, ïðîèçâîäèìûé êîìïàíèåé Dygene. Äàííûé òåñò, ïîëó÷èâøèé îäîáðåíèå FDA, îñíîâàí íà âûÿâëåíèè ñïåöèôè÷íûõ ÐÍÊ-ÄÍÊ êîìïëåêñîâ ïóò¸ì èììóíîôåðìåíòíîãî àíàëèçà (ïîäðîáíóþ èíôîðìàöèþ ìîæíî ïî÷åðïíóòü íà ñàéòå êîìïàíèè: Digene.com).
Êàêèå æå ðåêîìåíäàöèè äàòü áîëüíîé ïî ïîâîäó ïàðòí¸ðà?  ïåðâóþ î÷åðåäü, íåîáõîäèìî îáúÿñíèòü, ÷òî íàëè÷èå ÏÎÑÒÎßÍÍÎÃÎ ïîëîâîãî ïàðí¸ðà àâòîìàòè÷åñêè ïåðåâîäèò æåíùèíó â ãðóïïó íèçêîãî ðèñêà äëÿ ðàçâèòèÿ ðàêà øåéêè ìàòêè. Äåéñòâèòåëüíî, êàê áûëî ïîêàçàíî âñåìè ñåðü¸çíûìè ýïèäåìèîëîãè÷åñêèìè èññëåäîâàíèÿìè îñíîâíîé ðèñê äëÿ öåðâèêàëüíîé ïàòîëîãèè - ÷àñòàÿ ñìåíà ïàðòí¸ðà. Ãèïîòåòè÷åñêè, ïîëîâàÿ íåðàçáîð÷èâîñòü ïðèâîäèò ê ïîñòîÿííîé ýêñïîçèöèè ê ñâåðõ ìàëûì äîçàì HPV âèðóñîâ ðàçëè÷íûõ òèïîâ, êîòîðûå íå ìîäóëèðóþò ñïåöèôè÷íûõ çàùèòíûõ ìåõàíèçìîâ, ÷òî ïðèâîäèò ê ïåðñèñòèðîâàíèþ âèðóñà. Äîçà âèðóñà (viral load) àññîöèèðîâàía ñ àìïëèòóäîé ãóìîðàëüíîãî îòâåòà, â ÷àñíîñòè ñ òèòðîì IgG è ïîÿâëåíèåì ñûâîðîòî÷íîãî IgA, êîòîðûé â ñâîþ î÷åðåäü àññîöèèðîâàí ñ èñ÷åçíîâåíèåì ÄÍÊà âèðóñà èç êëåòîê (viral clearance).

Ïðîôèëàêòè÷åñêàÿ âàêöèíà, íà îñíîâå HPV16 âèðóñî-ïîäîáíûõ ÷àñòèö è ëå÷åáíàÿ âàêöèíà íà îñíîâå ðåêîìáèíàíòíîãî Å7 èëè Å7 ñèíòåòè÷åñêèõ ïåïòèäîâ, åù¸ íå ñòîÿò íà âîîðóæåíèè êëèíè÷åñêîé ìåäèöèíû. Íî òåìà áåçóñëîâíî èíòåðåñíàÿ, òðåáóþùàÿ îòäåëüíîé äèñêóññèè.

Ïî ïîâîäó ðîëè èììóíîãðàì â êëèíè÷åñêîé ìåäèöèíå - öåëèêîì ðàçäåëÿþ ìíåíèå äîêòîðà Æèâîâà.

Ñ óâàæåíèåì,

Åâãåíèé Ñòóäåíöîâ, M.D.
Papillomavirus Laboratory
Albert Einstein College of Medicine
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #50  
Ñòàðûé 30.06.2003, 00:10
Zhivov Zhivov âíå ôîðóìà
Âåòåðàí ôîðóìà
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 20.08.2001
Ñîîáùåíèé: 3,792
Zhivov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåZhivov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåZhivov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåZhivov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåZhivov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåZhivov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåZhivov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåZhivov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåZhivov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåZhivov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåZhivov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
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Âîò åù¸ îäèí âåñüìà ïîëåçíûé äîêóìåíò

Sexually Transmitted Diseases Treatment Guidelines - 2002
Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
MMWR Recomm Rep. 2002 May 10;51(RR-6):1-78.

Ïîëíûé òåêñò ìîæíî íàéòè çäåñü:

[Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ]

Ñ óâàæåíèåì,

Å.Å. Ñòóäåíöîâ
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
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Ñòàðûé 02.07.2003, 12:45
AlexT AlexT âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Âðà÷-ó÷àñòíèê ôîðóìà
 
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AlexT ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexT ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexT ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexT ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexT ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexT ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexT ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexT ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexT ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexT ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexT ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Óâàæàåìûé äîêòîð Ñòóäåíöîâ!

Ðàä âîçìîæíîñòè çàäàòü âîïðîñû ñïåöèàëèñòó, çàíèìàþùåìóñÿ ïàïèëëîìàâèðóñàìè.

Åñëè âû îáðàòèëè âíèìàíèå íà íàøó äèñêóññèþ, íàâåðíîå Âû çàìåòèëè, ÷òî èìåííî ýòî ðóêîâîäñòâî ÑDC ìû è îáñóæäàëè,
è ìîè çàìå÷àíèÿ êàñàëèñü îáîñíîâàííîñòè ïðèâåäåííûõ òàì ðåêîìåíäàöèé ïî ÷àñòè ëå÷åíèÿ ïàðòíåðà ïðè ïàïèëëîìàâèðóñàì .
Êñòàòè, ñìîòðåë åæåãîäíûé ñáîðíèê ïî äîêàçàòåëüíîé ìåäèöèíå Clinical evidence, èçäàâàåìûé BMJ, ïåðåâîä êîòîðîãî òåïåðü ïðîäàåòñÿ â "Ìåäêíèãå".  ÷àñòè 6 çà 2003 ãîä áûëà ñòàòüÿ ïî ïàïèëëîìàâèðóñàì.
Êëèíè÷åñêèé âîïðîñ - ýôôåêòèâíîñòü ëå÷åíèÿ ïàðòíåðà ïðè ÎÊ è ïðèìåíåíèÿ ïðåçåðâàòèâîâ.
Îáçîð ëèòåðàòóðû îò 2001 ãîäà, àíãëèéñêîå èçäàíèå àâãóñò 2002 : êîíòðîëèðóåìûõ êëèíè÷åñêèõ èñïûòàíèé ïî ýòîé òåìå íå íàéäåíî.
Âûâîä: ýôôåêòèâíîñòü íå äîêàçàíà.

Âîçíèêàåò âîïðîñ: ïî÷åìó ñïåöèàëèñòû ïî äîêàçàòåëüíîé ìåäèöèíå íå çàìåòèëè ñòàòåé, êîòîðûå ëåãëè â îñíîâó ðåêîìåíäàöèé CDC? Ìîæåò, ýòè ñòàòüè íå îòâå÷àþò òðåáîâàíèÿì äîêàçàòåëüíîé ìåäèöèíû?.
Êñòàòè, â ñáîðíèêå âûâîäû 3-õ òèïîâ:
- Ýôôåêòèâíîñòü äîêàçàíà
- Ýôôåêòèâíîñòü íå äîêàçàíà
- Ýôôåêòèâíîñòü ìàëîâåðîÿòíà.
Êàê âèäèì, ìíåíèå î ëå÷åíèè ïàðòíåðà - ýòî 2-òèï, à íå òðåòèé.
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äëÿ äîêòîðà Æèâîâà :
Ïðîøó íå ñ÷èòàòü ýòè çàìåòêè íàïàäêàìè íà EBM. Ïðîñòî äàëåêî íå âñå ðåêîìåíäàöèè äàæå â çàðóáåæíûõ èñòî÷íèêàõ îñíîâûâàþòñÿ íà äàííûõ, îòâå÷àþùèõ æåñòêèì òðåáîâàíèÿì EBM. Âåäü è íà çàïàäå EBM îõâàòûâàåò íàìíîãî ìåíüøå ìåäèöèíñêèõ çíàíèé (ïîêà), ÷åì ïðèìåíÿåò ñîâðåìåííûé âðà÷ â ñâîåé ïðàêòèêå.
Ó íàñ æå ÷àñòî àíãëîÿçû÷íûé = îñíîâàíûé íà äàííûõ äîêàçàòåëüíîé ìåäèöèíû.
×òî êàñàåòñÿ ðóêîâîäñòâ, òî èõ íóæíî ÷èòàòü , à íå ïðåêëîíÿòüñÿ (âïðî÷åì , ýòî áîëüøå â ñòîðîíó Vladlena) .
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Ïîçâîëüòå çàäàòü íåñêîëüêî ïðàêòè÷åñêèõ âîïðîñîâ:
- êàê ÷àñòî â âàøåé ïðàêòèêå êëèíè÷åñêèå ïðîÿâëåíèÿ ÂÏ× (ïëîñêèå êîíäèëîìû, íàïðèìåð) åñòü, à òåñò íà ÂÏ× îòðèöàòåëüíûé? ×òî äåëàåòñÿ â òàêèõ ñëó÷àÿõ?
- êàêîå ìåñòî ó âàñ çàíèìàåò ÏÖÐ íà ïàïèëëîìàâèðóñû? Òîëüêî íàó÷íûå èññëåäîâàíèÿ èëè â ïðàêòèêå òîæå ïðèìåíÿþò?
- êàêàÿ ñåé÷àñ íàèáîëåå ÷àñòî ïðèìåíÿþùàñÿ êëàñññèôèêàöèÿ òèïîâ ÂÏ×? Ïðèìåíÿåòñÿ ëè òåðìèí ãðóïïà ñðåäíåãî ðèñêà?
- êàêàÿ ÷àñòîòà âñòðå÷àåìîñòè ÂÏ× 66,68,69 òèïîâ (ò.å òåõ, êîòîðûå â íàøåé ëàáîðàòîðèè ìû íå ìîæåì âûÿâèòü)?
- âñòðå÷àëè ëè Âû ðàáîòû ïî ýôôåêòèâíîñòè èëè íåýôôåêòèâíîñòè ïðèìåíåíèÿ ïðè ÂÏ× ïðåïàðàòîâ ãðóïïû àöèêëîâèðà , è â ÷àñòíîñòè âàëòðåêñà?
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Ñòàðûé 03.07.2003, 10:30
E.E. Studentsov E.E. Studentsov âíå ôîðóìà
Çàñëóæåííûé ó÷àñòíèê
 
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Óâàæàåìûé Àëåêñ,

Óâèäåâ Âàø êîììåíòàðèé ïî ïîâîäó CDC ðåêîìåíäàöèé, ïðèãëÿäåëñÿ è îáíàðóæèë âòîðóþ è òðåòüþ ñòðàíèöó îáñóæäåíèé ïî íàøåé òåìå. Èçâèíèòå, åñëè áû çíàë, íèêîãäà áû íå ïîðåêîìåíäîâàë èñòî÷íèê, êîòîðûé âûçâàë öåëóþ áàòàëèþ è âçðûâ ýìîöèé. Ñîãëàñåí, ÷òî åñëè èíñòðóêöèÿ èëè ðåêîìåíäàöèÿ ïîëíîñòüþ íå ðåøàåò ïðîáëåìó, îíà íå ìîæåò áûòü íàçâàíà ñîâåðøåííîé. Íî... Íî CDC ðåêîìåíäàöèè íàïèñàíû íå áåçóìíûì ÷èíîâíèêîì èç àìåðèêàíñêîãî ìèíèñòåðñòâà çäðàâîîõðàíåíèÿ èëè ìàëü÷èêîì-ìàæîðîì, ðåøèâøèì, çà îïðåäåë¸ííóþ ìçäó, óâåêîâå÷èòü èíôðàêðàcíóþ ïóøêó, ñïîñîáíóþ çàïåëåíãîâàòü è óíè÷òîæèòü ëþáîãî ãàäà â ñàìîé îòäàë¸ííîé òî÷êå ìîåãî îðãàíèçìà; ðåêîìåíäàöèè CDC - ýòî êîíñåíñóñ ê êîòîðîìó ïðèøëè âåäóùèå ñïåöèàëèñòû âñåãî ìèðà â îáëàñòè äîêàçàòåëüíîé ìåäèöèíû. Äîêàçàòåëüíàÿ ìåäèöèíà - ýòî òàêàÿ øòóêà ó êîòîðîé, ãîâîðÿ ÿçûêîì êëàññèêè, âñåãäà ñóùåñòâóåò "Ñåäüìîå" äîêàçàòåëüñòâî, êîòîðîå, ïðè æåëàíèè, ìîæåò áûòü ïðåäúÿâëåíî.
Èòàê, îáî âñ¸ì ïî ïîðÿäêó. Ðàáîòà Ä-ðà Krebs et al. îïóáëèêîâàííàÿ â æóðíàëå Am. J. Obstet. Gynecol. â 1991 è ïðèâîäèìàÿ â ññûëêàõ CDC, íå ÿâëÿòñÿ åäèíñòâåííîé è îñíîâîïîëàãàþùåé; îíà áûëà ëèøü ëîãè÷åñêèì ïðîäîëæåíèåì öåëîãî ðÿäà êëèíè÷åñêèõ íàáëþäåíèé, ñäåëàííûõ ðàçëè÷íûìè ãðóïïàìè ó÷¸íûõ è âðà÷åé. Îá ýòîì ìîæíî óçíàòü èç çàìå÷àòåëüíîãî îáçîðà " Management of the patient with an abnormal Papanicolaou test" êàíàäñêîãî Ä-ðà Alex Ferenczy îïóáëèêîâàííîãî â 1993 ãîäó â æóðíàëå Obstetrics and Gynecology Clinics of North America (Vol. 20, No. 1 p. 189-202).
Âîò öèòàòà:

"...growing number of observation has suggested that monogamous sexual partnership is not associated with reinfection of the partners. For example, in a long-term follow-up study of 2963 women successfully treated with cryotherapy for SIL/CIN of all grades, recurrence rates of new lesions were not higher than that reported in the general and sexually active population, i.e. 4/1000. (ref.1)...In the author's ongoing but yet unpublished study, recurrence rates of vulvar warts after single CO2 laser therapy have been the same (50%) whether the male sexual partner (with HPV-positive lesions) were treated and used condoms or were not treated and did not use condoms. [ref. 2] Similar observations were reported in a recent study of more than 380 patients treated for genital warts and CIN [ref.3]."

ref.1 - Richard, R.M. "Causes and managment of carvical intraepithelial neoplasia." Cancer, 60: 1951-55, 5, 1980
ref.2 - Äàííàÿ ðàáîòà áûëà îïóáëèêîâàíà â æóðíàëå J. Gynecol. Surg. çà 1995;Vol.11 No.1 p. 41-50 "Treating vaginal and external anogenital condylomas with electrosurgery vs CO2 laser ablation."
ref.3 - Larsson, G. et al. " A comparison of complications of laser and cold knife conization." Obstet. Gynecol. Vol.62 p.213, 1983

 òîæå âðåìÿ áûëà ðàáîòà ó÷¸íûõ èç Þæíîé Àìåðèêè:
"The mail factor in the incident of condiloma of the cervix and intraepithelial cervical neoplasms." Ginecol. Obstetr. Mex. 1991 Nov; Vol.59, p. 335-40
Conclusion: There were persistence and recidiva, nonsignificant, when the man had received treatment suggesting that the treatment does not alter the appearence of condyloma, nor cervical intraepithelial neoplasia.

×òî æå áûëî ïîòîì? Îêåé, äîêàçàëè, áîëüøå íè÷åãî íå íàäî. Ñîâñåì íåò.
Áûëè ðàáîòû, áûë ÒÐÓÄ, áûëè äîêàçàòåëüñòâà:
Âîò áðàçèëüñêàÿ ðàáîòà:
Teixeira, J.C. et al. " Effects of the male sexual partner evaluation in the relapses risk in women treated for a HPV-induced genital lesions." International Papillomavirus Conference, September 1-7, Costao do Santinho, Florianopolis, Brasil 2001.
Conclusion: The evaluation of men in this study did not benefit woman regarding the risk of the recurrence of HPV genital lesions. The HPV genital lesions in men were not correlated with relapses, of diseases in women. These observations do not support the hypothesis that non evaluated men would be an important cause of relapses of HPV lesions in women.
Âîò íàì ôðàíöóçñêàÿ:
Aynaud, O. et al. "Cytologyc detection of human papillomavirus DNA in normal male urethral samples." Urology. 2003 Jun;61(6):1098-101.
Conclusion: Our results show that HPV-DNA positivity in the absence of clinically or colposcopically detected lesions is a rare event. Although sensitive enough, cytology is not specific, and its use as a screening tool may lead to a high number of false-positive results.

Åñëè íå óáåäèë, ãîòîâ íàéòè äîïîëíèòåëüíûå äîêàçàòåëüñòâà, êîòîðûå ÿ âñòðå÷àë îòäåëüíûìè îáçàöàìè â ðàçëè÷íûõ ðàáîòàõ, ò.ê. ïóáëèêàöèè íà äàííóþ òåìó ñïåöèàëüíûì èçäàíèåì, áåç êàêèõ-ëèáî äîïîëíåíèé è óòî÷íåíèé, ìíîãèå èññëåäîâàòåëè ñ÷èòàþò ïðîñòî íåñêðîìíûì.

Ìîæíî ëè äîïóñòèòü, ÷òî âñå ýòè ðàáîòû îøèáî÷íû? Ìîæíî. Íî îïðîâåðãíóòü èõ ñìîæåò òîëüêî äîêàçàòåëüíàÿ ìåäèöèíà, êîòîðîé, â îòëè÷èå îò âñÿêîé "áðàõìàïóòðû", ïðèñóùå óíèêàëüíîå ñâîéñòâî ñàìîêîððåêöèè.

Íà äàííîì ýòàïå "ðàçâèòèÿ" ðîññèéñêîé ìåäèöèíû íàì íåîáõîäèìî ñëóøàòü è âïèòûâàòü ìèðîâîé îïûò, î ÷¸ì íåîäíîêðàòíî ãîâîðèëîñü íà ýòîì ôîðóìå. À èíà÷å... Èíà÷å: "Òîëüêî íàì è ñëàâû, ÷òî êîâàíûå áëîõè".

Ïðîñòèòå, óâë¸êñÿ. Îòâåòû íà Âàøè âîïðîñû äàì çàâòðà. Íüþ-Éîðêñêîå âðåìÿ - 3 am.

Ñ ãëóáîêèì óâàæåíèåì,

Å.Å. Ñòóäåíöîâ
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
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Ñòàðûé 03.07.2003, 14:26
AlexT AlexT âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Âðà÷-ó÷àñòíèê ôîðóìà
 
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AlexT ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexT ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexT ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexT ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexT ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexT ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexT ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexT ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexT ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexT ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexT ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Ïîïóòíî çàìå÷ó:
Íåìíîãî íå ïîíÿë ñìûñë ýòîé ñòàòüè:
Aynaud, O. et al. "Cytologyc detection of human papillomavirus DNA in normal male urethral samples." Urology. 2003 Jun;61(6):1098-101.
Conclusion: Our results show that HPV-DNA positivity in the absence of clinically or colposcopically detected lesions is a rare event. Although sensitive enough, cytology is not specific, and its use as a screening tool may lead to a high number of false-positive results.

Öèòîëîãè÷åñêàÿ äåòåêöèÿ ÄÍÊ ÂÏ× - ýòî êàê? Êîéëîöèòû? Ãèáðèäèçàöèÿ in situ? Ìîæíî ïîïîäðîáíåå î ìåòîäèêå? Ïðè ÷åì çäåñü êîëüïîñêîïèÿ? Èçâèíèòå, íî âàøà öèòàòà íåïîíÿòíà.


... Íî îïðîâåðãíóòü èõ ñìîæåò òîëüêî äîêàçàòåëüíàÿ ìåäèöèíà....

Êàê Âû äóìàåòå, ïî÷åìó ýòîò ðÿä çàìå÷àòåëüíûõ ðàáîò îñòàëñÿ áåç âíèìàíèÿ ñïåöèàëèñòîâ, äåëàâøèõ îáçîð äëÿ ñáîðíèêà Clinical Evidence?

Íå ñëèøêîì ëè áåçîãëÿäíî äîâåðÿåòå ëè âû àâòîðàì CDC?

Ðàçóìååòñÿ , íàäî ïðèâåòñòâîâàòü âíåäðåíèå â íàøó ïðàêòèêó îïûòà çàðóáåæíîé ìåäèöèíû, è îòñòàâàíèå íàøå íè äëÿ êîãî íå ñåêðåò, ïî ìîåé ñïåöèàëüíîñòè ýòî îñåáåííî îùóùàåòñÿ. Îäíàêî ôîðóì çà÷åì? Ïî ìîåìó, ÷òîáû îáñóäèòü íåÿñíîñòè è óçíàòü ìíåíèå êîëëåã.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
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V. ZAITSEV V. ZAITSEV âíå ôîðóìà Ïîë ìóæñêîé
çàáàíåí
      
 
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V. ZAITSEV
Óâàæàåìûé AlexT!
Áûë áû ïðèçíàòåëåí, åñëè Âû óòî÷íèòå: îáñóæäåíèå ýòîé òåìû â íåñêîëüêî äðóãîé ïëîñêîñòè, ïðåäëîæåííîé â äèñêóññèè «Âèðóñ ïàïèëîìû ÷åëîâåêà» (Àêóøåðñòâî è ãèíåêîëîãèÿ - Ôîðóì äëÿ âðà÷åé) – Âàì íåèíòåðåñåí?
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
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E.E. Studentsov E.E. Studentsov âíå ôîðóìà
Çàñëóæåííûé ó÷àñòíèê
 
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E.E. Studentsov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåE.E. Studentsov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåE.E. Studentsov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåE.E. Studentsov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåE.E. Studentsov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåE.E. Studentsov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåE.E. Studentsov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåE.E. Studentsov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåE.E. Studentsov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåE.E. Studentsov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåE.E. Studentsov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Óâàæàåìûé Àëåêñ,

Ïîñòàðàþñü îòâåòèòü íà Âàøè âîïðîñû:

- êàê ÷àñòî â âàøåé ïðàêòèêå êëèíè÷åñêèå ïðîÿâëåíèÿ ÂÏ× (ïëîñêèå êîíäèëîìû, íàïðèìåð) åñòü, à òåñò íà ÂÏ× îòðèöàòåëüíûé? ×òî äåëàåòñÿ â òàêèõ ñëó÷àÿõ?-

Ïðè êëèíè÷åñêèõ ïðîÿâëåíèÿõ ïàïèëëîìàâèðóñíîé èíôåêöèè ÄÍÊ âèðóñà îïðåäåëÿåòñÿ ïðàêòè÷åñêè âñåãäà (> 95%). Âíå çàâèñèìîñòè îò ðåçóëüòàòîâ òåñòà æåíùèíà íàáëþäàåòñÿ/ëå÷èòñÿ ñîãëàñíî ðåêîìåíäàöèÿì, î êîòîðûõ ìû óæå ãîâîðèëè. Ìóæ÷èíà (ñ âèäèìûìè êëèíè÷åñêèìè ïðîÿâëåíèÿìè) ëå÷èòñÿ ìåòîäàìè, îïèñàííûìè äîêòîðîì Æèâîâûì.

- êàêîå ìåñòî ó âàñ çàíèìàåò ÏÖÐ íà ïàïèëëîìàâèðóñû? Òîëüêî íàó÷íûå èññëåäîâàíèÿ èëè â ïðàêòèêå òîæå ïðèìåíÿþò?-

ÏÖÐ ïðèìåíÿþò áîëüøåé ÷àñòüþ â íàó÷íûõ èññëåäîâàíèÿõ, â êîòîðûõ íà ïåðâîì ìåñòå (ïî ðàçìàõó èñïîëüçîâàíèÿ) ñòîèò ýïèäåìèîëîãèÿ. Ëàáîðàòîðèÿ, â êîòîðîé ÿ èìåþ ÷åñòü ðàáîòàòü, ó÷àñòâóåò â ýïèä. ïðîåêòå, èìåþùåì, åñëè ìîæíî òàê âûðàçèòüñÿ, âîèñòèíó ýïè÷åñêèå ïðîïîðöèè: 10 òûñÿ÷ ïàöèåíòîâ, íàáëþäàþòñÿ â òå÷åíèå 10 ëåò, ÄÍÊ âèðóñà îïðåäåëÿåòñÿ ñëåïûì ìåòîäîì â òð¸õ íåçàâèñèìûõ ëàáîðàòîðèÿõ: ÏÖÐ-Southern blotting-Dot Blot hybridization.  ëèòåðàòóðå ýòà ðàáîòà ïðîõîäèò êàê Costa Rica Study.
J Natl Cancer Inst. 2000 Mar 15;92(6):464-74.
Population-based study of human papillomavirus infection and cervical neoplasia in rural Costa Rica.

Íà ïðàêòèêå äî íåäàâíåãî âðåìåíè ïðèìåíÿëè äâå îñíîâíûå òåñò-ñèñòåìû: Hybrid capture from Digene Inc. (ñì. âûøå) è PCR Line blot assay from Roche. Ñåé÷àñ â îñíîâíîì Hybrid capture (ïîcëå îäîáðåíèÿ FDA).


- êàêàÿ ñåé÷àñ íàèáîëåå ÷àñòî ïðèìåíÿþùàñÿ êëàññèôèêàöèÿ òèïîâ ÂÏ×? Ïðèìåíÿåòñÿ ëè òåðìèí ãðóïïà ñðåäíåãî ðèñêà?-

Ñîðòèðîâêà HPV ïî ãðóïïàì ðèñêà ÿâëÿåòñÿ ýïèäåìèîëîãè÷åñêîé êëàññèôèêàöèåé. Ðàçäåëåíèå ïàïèëëîìàâèðóñîâ íà òðè ãðóïïû áûëî ïðåäëîæåíî â 1992 â ðàáîòå Ä-ðà Lorincz et al. ("Human Papillomavirus Infection of the Cervix: Relative Risk associations of 15 Common Anogenital Types", 1992 Obstetrics & Gynecology, Vol.79, No.3, p.328-37). Èññëåäîâàòåëè, êñòàòè îíè ðàáîòàëè â êîìïàíèè Digene, ïðåäëîæèëè îòíåñòè ê "low risk" òèïû 6,11,42,43,44; ê "intermidiate risk" òèïû 31,33,35,51,52,58; ê "high risk" òèïû 16,18,45,56. Çàòåì èç ðàáîòû â ðàáîòó ýòà êëàññèôèêàöèÿ ðàñøèðÿëàñü, îòäåëüíûå òèïû âèðóñà êî÷åâàëè èç ãðóïïó â ãðóïïó è å¸ ìîæíî âñòðåòèòü ïî ñåé äåíü êàê â æóðíàëàõ òàê è â ìîíîãðàôèÿõ. Íî áîëüøèíñòâî íàó÷íûõ ãðóïï òàê è íå ïåðåøëè íà ýòó êëàññèôèêàöèþ, ñ÷èòàÿ å¸ ìàëîèíôîðìàòèâíîé. Ñàì Digene îáúåäèíèë äâå ãðóïïû â îäíó è íàçûâàåò å¸ "intermidiate/high" risk group è îòíîñèò òóäà: 16,18,31,33,35,39,45,51,52,56,58,59 è 68

Îäíà èç ïîñëåäíèõ ýïèäåìèîëîãè÷åñêèõ êëàññèôèöàöèé îïóáëèêîâàíà â ôåâðàëüñêîì íîìåðå New England Journal of Medicine çà ýòîò ãîä, ìû ïðèäåðæèâàåìñÿ èìåííî å¸:

"In addition to HPV types 16 and 18, types 31, 33, 35, 39, 45, 51, 52, 56, 58, 59, 68, 73, and 82 should be considered carcinogenic, or high-risk, types, and types 26, 53, and 66 should be considered probably carcinogenic. "

Cyùåñòâóåò òàêæå "phylogenetic classification" â âèäå äåðåâà, åñëè õîòèòå, ìîãó ïåðåñëàòü Âàì ïîñëåäíèþ âåðñèþ.

- êàêàÿ ÷àñòîòà âñòðå÷àåìîñòè ÂÏ× 66,68,69 òèïîâ (ò.å òåõ, êîòîðûå â íàøåé ëàáîðàòîðèè ìû íå ìîæåì âûÿâèòü)?

Ñîãëàñíî Costa Rica study òèï 66 çàíèìàåò 11 ìåñòî ñðåäè îêîëî 40 òèïîâ, íà êîòîðûå ïðîâîäèëîñü òèïèðîâàíèå. 68 òèï íàçâàë áû ðåäêèì. 69 - î÷åíü ðåäêèì.

- âñòðå÷àëè ëè Âû ðàáîòû ïî ýôôåêòèâíîñòè èëè íåýôôåêòèâíîñòè ïðèìåíåíèÿ ïðè ÂÏ× ïðåïàðàòîâ ãðóïïû àöèêëîâèðà , è â ÷àñòíîñòè âàëòðåêñà?
Âû ïèøåòå:
“ Êñòàòè, ëþáîïûòíàÿ öèòàòà èç ñòàòüè À.Ñ. Âèøíåâñêîãî è Í.Ð.Ñàôðîííèêîâîé (Ïðàêòè÷åñêàÿ îíêîëîãèÿ, ò.3 ¹3-2002ã):"Èíòåðåñíî îòìåòèòü, ÷òî ïî ïðîáëåìå ëåêàðñòâåííîãî è êîìáèíèðîâàííîãî ëå÷åíèÿ ÂÏ× ìû íå âñòðåòèëè íè îäíîé ðàáîòû ( îçíàêîìèâøèñü ïî ñåòè Èíòåðíåò ñ 550 ðåôåðàòàìè ñòàòåé, ïîñâÿùåííûõ ýòîé òåìå) , â êîòîðûõ áû óïîìèíàëèñü ïðåïàðàòû - àíàëîãè íóêëåîòèäíûõ îñíîâàíèé, òàêèõ êàê àöèêëîâèð è äðóãèå, êîòîðûå øèðîêî ïðèìåíÿþòñÿ ïðè ãåðïåòè÷åñêîé èíôåêöèè. Ïî âèäèìîìó, ýòè ñîåäèíåíèÿ ïðè ÂÏ× - èíôåêöèè íå ýôôåêòèâíû ."(?!!) Ïðè òàêîé ëîãèêå íîâûõ ìåòîäîâ ëå÷åíèÿ íå áóäåò âîîáùå. Íåò ðàáîò íà Çàïàäå - çíà÷èò ýòî òóïèê.Ìîæåò ñêàçûâàåòñÿ íàøà òðàäèöèÿ âñå íîâîå èñêàòü òîëüêî íà Çàïàäå?Êñòàòè , ðàáîò ïî ïðèìåíåíèÿ Âàëòðåêñà ïðè ÂÏ× ÿ òîæå íå íàøåë, îäíàêî íà ôîðóìàõ íåêîòîðûå ãèíåêîëîãè åãî ðåêîìåíäóþò.”

Âàëàöèêëîâèð (âàëòðåêñ) , âàëèíîâîå ïðîèçâîäíîå è prodrug àöèêëîâèðà, è ïîõîæåå ñîåäèíåíèå ôàìöèêëîâèð, prodrug ïðåïàðàòà ïåíöèêëîâèðà, - ÿâëÿþòñÿ ñèíòåòè÷åñêèìè íóêëåîçèäíûìè àíàëîãàìè. Íàëè÷èå âàëèíà â ñòðóêòóðå óëó÷øàåò ïåðîðàëüíóþ óñâîÿåìîñòü, ÷òî ïîçâîëÿåò ñíèçèòü äîçó. Äðóãèõ îòëè÷èé íåò. Äëÿ ïåðåõîäà â àêòèâíóþ ôîðìó àöèêëîâèð/ âàëàöèêëîâèð ïîäâåðãàþòñÿ âíóòðèêëåòî÷íîìó ôîñôîðèëèðîâàíèþ (ñòàíîâÿòñÿ àíàëîãàìè íóêëåîòèäîâ). Äàííûé ïðîöåññ âîçìîæåí áëàãîäàðÿ ñïåöèàëüíîìó ôåðìåíòó - òèìèäèí-êèíàçå, êîòîðàÿ âñòðå÷àåòñÿ ó ðÿäà âèðóñîâ (HSV èëè CMV ê ïðèìåðó). Çàòåì àêòèâíàÿ ôîðìà áëîêèðóåò âèðóñíóþ ÄÍÊ-ïîëèìåðàçó.
Íèçêàÿ òîêñè÷íîñòü äàííûõ ïðåïàðàòîâ, êàê ðàç è îáúÿñíÿåòñÿ òåì ôàêòîì, ÷òî ñðîäñòâî ýòèõ ïðåïàðàòîâ ê ÄÍÊ-ïîëèìåðàçå âèðóñà çíà÷èòåëüíî ïðåâîñõîäèò ñðîäñòâî ê ÄÍÊ-ïîëèìåðàçå êëåòêè-õîçÿèíà.
×òî æ äàâàéòå ïîñëåäóåì ïðèìåðó ãðóïïû ðîññèécêèõ ãèíåêîëîãîâ è íà÷íåì ñìåëî èñïîëüçîâàòü âàëòðåêñ â êëèíè÷åñêîé ìåäèöèíå, íå îãëÿäûâàÿñü íà Çàïàä, ÷òî áû áûòü âïåðåäè ïëàíåòû âñåé. Óðà!!! Òîëüêî, ïîäîæäèòå ìèíóòî÷êó... Ïàïèëëîìàâèðóñ ÍÅ ÈÌÅÅÒ òèìèäèí-êèíàçû, êàê âïðî÷åì è ÄÍÊ-ïîëèìåðàçû, ïîñëåäíþþ îí çàèìñòâóåò ó êëåòêè-õîçÿèíà.
Òåïåðü ìû ïîíèìàåì, ïî÷åìó À.Ñ. Âèøíåâñêèé è Í.Ð.Ñàôðîííèêîâà íå ñìîãëè íàéòè íèêàêèõ äàííûõ ïî ïðèìåíåíèþ àöèêëîâèðà è åãî ïðîèçâîäíûõ äëÿ ëå÷åíèÿ ïàïèëëîìàâèðóñíîé èíôåêöèè. Âïðî÷åì, îíè ïëîõî èñêàëè... Äåëî â òîì, ÷òî ëþáîå íîâîå ñîåäèíåíèå ïóðèíîãî/ïèðèìèíîâîãî ðÿäà, äàæå åñëè íåýôôåêòèâíîñòü î÷åâèäíà, ïðîõîäèò ñêðèíèíã íà àíòèâèðóñíóþ è àíòèîïóõîëåâóþ àêòèâíîñòü â ðÿäå ëàáîðàòîðèé Åâðîïû è ÑØÀ. Îäíèì èç êðóïíåéøèõ ñïåöèàëèñòîâ â ýòîé îáëàñòè ÿâëÿåòñÿ äîêòîð Erik De Clercq. Âñ¸, ÷òî íóæíî ñäåëàòü â Pubmed, ýòî íàïå÷àòàòü De Clercq HPV, è ìû óâèäèì (÷èòàÿ âíèìàòåëüíî) è àöèêëîâèð, è åãî ïðîèçâîäíûå. Ðåçóëüòàòû ýòîãî ñêðèíèíãà ïîêàçàëè, ÷òî åäèíñòâåííûì íóêëåîçèäîì (èç èçâåñòíûõ), îáëàäàþùèì âûðàæåííîé àíòè-ïàïèëëîìàâèðóñíîé àêòèâíîñòüþ, ÿâëÿåòñÿ Cidofovir (Vistide), a ýòî àöèêëè÷åñêèé íóêëåîçèäíûé ôîñôîíàò (òèìèäèí-êèíàçà íå íóæíà). Ñèäîôîâèð â äàííûé ìîìåíò ïðîõîäèò ìàñøòàáíûå êëèíè÷åñêèå èñïûòàíèÿ, âîçìîæíî, õîòÿ íåîáÿçàòåëüíî, ñêîðî îí áóäåò ðåêîìåíäîâàí FDA, íî òîëüêî â âèäå ìàçè, ââèäó âñ¸ òîé æå ÄÍÊ-ïîëèìåðàçû.
Î ïàòðèîòèçìå... Åñëè îòêðûòü âñåìèðíî èçâåñòíîå ðóêîâîäñòâî ä-ðà D. Brown ïî ñèíòåçó ïèðèìèäèíîâ, íà ïåðâîé ñòðàíèöå íàïèñàíî : "Ïîñâÿùàåòñÿ ÷åòûð¸ì âåëèêèì ïèðèìèäèíùèêàì íàøåãî âðåìåíè." Íà ïåðâîì ìåñòå Âëàäèìèð Ïåòðîâè÷ Ìàìàåâ(Íîâîñèáèðñê).

Ñ óâàæåíèåì,

Å.Å. Ñòóäåíöîâ, M.D.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
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Ñòàðûé 05.07.2003, 06:37
Àâàòàð äëÿ Ó÷àñòêîâûé
Ó÷àñòêîâûé Ó÷àñòêîâûé âíå ôîðóìà
Ïîñòîÿííûé ó÷àñòíèê
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 28.03.2002
Ñîîáùåíèé: 451
Ó÷àñòêîâûé ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò îòëè÷íóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
ß çà ïîñëåäíèé ãîä òåñò íà HPV äåëàë òîëüêî ïîñëå ASCUS íà ïàïàíèêîëàó. Êàê Âû äóìàåòå, áëèçêî ëè âðåìÿ, êîãäà ÿ âìåñòî êîëüïîñêîïèè ïðîñòî áóäó âûïèñûâàòü ðåöåïò íà Vistide, âëàãàëèùíî?

È åùå: ÷òî ñëó÷èëîñü ñ îïèñàííîé ãäå-òî â ïðîøëîì ãîäó ïðèâèâêîé îò HPV-16? Ðåçóëüòàò áûë, íà êîíôåðåíöèè ãîâîðèëè 100% çàùèòû. Èëè ïðåóâåëè÷èâàëè?
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
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Ñòàðûé 05.07.2003, 08:57
AlexT AlexT âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Âðà÷-ó÷àñòíèê ôîðóìà
 
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Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 64 ðàç(à) çà 61 ñîîáùåíèé
AlexT ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexT ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexT ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexT ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexT ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexT ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexT ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexT ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexT ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexT ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexT ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Óâ. äîêòîð Ñòóäåíöîâ!
Ñïàñèáî çà ïîäðîáíûå îòâåòû.
À ñêîëüêî ó âàñ ñòîèò íàáîð "Dygen"-à ? Íà ñàéòå ýòîãî íåò.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
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Ñòàðûé 07.07.2003, 17:37
AlexT AlexT âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Âðà÷-ó÷àñòíèê ôîðóìà
 
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AlexT ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexT ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexT ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexT ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexT ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexT ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexT ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexT ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexT ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexT ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexT ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Ïðî÷èòàë ðåêîìåäóåìûå ññûëêè ïî èñïûòàíèÿì àöèêëîâèðà è ÂÏ×.

Âñå îò÷åòû - îò÷åòû î ëàáîðàòîðíûõ èñïûòàíèÿõ íà êóëüòóðàõ îïóõîëåâûõ êëåòîê. Êëèíè÷åñêèõ èñïûòàíèé ÿ íå íàøåë.

Íàøåë ëþáîïûòíóþ ôðàçó:
Epstein-Barr and cytomegalovirus are also susceptible although to a lesser extent, probably because for these viruses the drug does not appear to be activated by thymidine kinase.
Âûõîäèò, âîçìîæíû è äðóãèå ìåõàíèçìû äåéñòâèÿ àöèêëîâèðà?

Íà îòâåòå íå íàñòàèâàþ , òàê êàê âîïðîñ ñêîðåå òåîðåòè÷åñêèé, â îáùåì-òî ñåãîäíÿøíåå ñîñòîÿíèå âîïðîñà âàìè èçëîæåíî ïîäðîáíî.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
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Ñòàðûé 08.07.2003, 09:40
E.E. Studentsov E.E. Studentsov âíå ôîðóìà
Çàñëóæåííûé ó÷àñòíèê
 
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Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 6 ðàç(à) çà 4 ñîîáùåíèé
E.E. Studentsov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåE.E. Studentsov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåE.E. Studentsov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåE.E. Studentsov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåE.E. Studentsov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåE.E. Studentsov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåE.E. Studentsov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåE.E. Studentsov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåE.E. Studentsov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåE.E. Studentsov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåE.E. Studentsov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Óâàæàåìûé Àëåêñ,

Ñïàñèáî çà èíòåðåñíûå âîïðîñû. Ñ óäîâîëüñòâèåì ïîïûòàþñü íà íèõ îòâåòèòü.

1. Ïåðâè÷íîå ôîñôîðèëèðîâàíèå, ÿâëÿþùèåñÿ îñíîâîïîëàãàþùèì äëÿ àêòèâàöèè àöèêëîâèðà, â êëåòêàõ çàðàæ¸ííûõ CMV áåð¸ò íà ñåáÿ äðóãîé âèðóñíûé ôåðìåíò - ïðîòåèí êèíàçà UL97; ãîìîëîãè÷íûé ôåðìåíò åñòü è ó EBV - BGLF4. Òèìèäèí êèíàçà ïðèñóùà HSV è VZV.


2. Ñïåöèôè÷íûé èíãèáèòîðíûé ýôôåêò ñèäîôîâèðà íà ïðîëèôåðàöèþ ïàïèëëîìàâèðóñà äåéñòâèòåëüíî èìååò äîïîëíèòåëüíûå è/èëè àëüòåðíàòèâíûå ìåõàíèçìû, êîòîðûå âîçìîæíî ñâÿçàíû ñ ïðîöåññàìè àïîïòîçà.  íåñêîëüêèõ ðàáîòàõ ÿ ÷èòàë î òîì, ÷òî ñèäîôîâèð îáëàäàåò ñïîñîáíîñòüþ âîññòàíàâëèâàòü ôóíêöèþ tumor suppressor proteins p53 è pRb, êîòîðûå íåéòðàëèçóþòñÿ îíêîïðîòåíàìè Å6 è Å7 ïàïèëëîìàâèðóñà. Âîò ýòè ðàáîòû:

Abdulkarim B, Sabri S, Deutsch E, Chagraoui H, Maggiorella L, Thierry J, Eschwege F, Vainchenker W, Chouaib S, Bourhis J. Antiviral agent Cidofovir restores p53 function and enhances the radiosensitivity in HPV-associated cancers. Oncogene. 2002 Apr 4;21(15):2334-46.

Andrei G, Snoeck R, Schols D, De Clercq E.
Induction of apoptosis by cidofovir in human papillomavirus (HPV)-positive cells. Oncol Res. 2000;12(9-10):397-408.


3. Êëèíè÷åñêèå èñïûòàíèÿ ïðåïàðàòà ïðè êàêîé áû òî íè áûëî ïàòîëîãèè íåóìåñòíû, åñëè îí ïîêàçàë îòñóòñòâèå âûðàæåííîãî ýôôåêòà â êóëüòóðå êëåòîê èëè íà æèâîòíîé ìîäåëè.


4. Åñëè óæ âàëòðåêñ/àöèêëîâèð âûçûâàåò ó Âàñ òàêóþ ñèìïàòèþ, ìîãó îáðàäîâàòü ñëåäóþùåé èíôîðìàöèåé. Áóäó÷è íà 20-é ìåæäóíàðîäíîé êîíôåðåíöèè ïî ïàïèëëîìàâèðóñàì â Ïàðèæå â îêòÿáðå ïðîøëîãî ãîäà, ÿ ñëóøàë äîêëàä Äîêòîðà Palefsky ïî ãåííîé òåðàïèè HPV.  åãî ëàáîðàòîðèè áûëî ïîêàçàíî, ÷òî åñëè ïðîèçâåñòè òðàíñôåêöèþ êëåòîê, èíôèöèðîâàííûõ HPV, òèìèäèí êèíàçoé HSV, ïðèñîåäèíí¸ííoé ê HPV ïðîìîòîðó, òî òèìèäèí êèíàçà íà÷í¸ò ñèíòåçèðîâàòüñÿ â ýòèõ êëåòêàõ è ñäåëàåò èõ èçáèðàòåëüíî ÷óâñòâèòåëèíûìè ê àöèêëîâèðó. Íî ýòî, êàê Âû ïîíèìàåòå, òåðàïèÿ äàë¸êîãî áóäóùåãî.
Ïðîâåðèë Pubmed, D-p Palefsky îïóáëèêîâàë ñâîþ ðàáîòó:
Sethi N, Palefsky J. Treatment of human papillomavirus (HPV) type 16-infected cells using herpes simplex virus type 1 thymidine kinase-mediated gene therapy transcriptionally regulated by the HPV E2 protein.
Hum Gene Ther. 2003 Jan 1;14(1):45-57.

5. Äëÿ óòî÷íåíèÿ öåíû íà Digene òåñòû ìíå íàäî ïîçâîíèòü â êîìïàíèþ, òàê ÷òî ñîîáùó ïîçæå.

Ñ óâàæåíèåì,

Å.Å. Ñòóäåíöîâ, M.D.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
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