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  #121  
Ñòàðûé 05.09.2007, 02:15
Àâàòàð äëÿ Dr.Vad
Dr.Vad Dr.Vad âíå ôîðóìà
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Dr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
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Hematol Oncol Clin North Am. 2007 Aug;21(4):633-45.
Platelet hyperreactivity: predictive and intrinsic properties.
Bray PF.
Division of Hematology, Cardeza Foundation for Hematologic Research, Jefferson Medical College, Philadelphia, 705 Curtis Building, 1015 Walnut Street, PA 19107, USA.

Platelet thrombi are central to the development of most vascular ischemic events. There is marked interindividual variation in platelet responsiveness, with some subjects displaying platelet hyperreactivity. An increasing number of reports indicate that there are laboratory measures of platelet function that predict clinical thrombotic events. Some, but not all, measures of platelet function are reproducible. Platelet hyperreactivity can be assessed with multiple stimuli in multiple assays and is more likely to be present in women and in subjects who have elevated fibrinogen levels.

Âñåì, ó êîãî åñòü ïðîôåññèîíàëüíûé èíòåðåñ ê ýòîé ïóáëèêàöèè, ñêèíó íà ìûëî (ïðîñüáà óêàçàòü ÷åðåç ËÑ).
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  #122  
Ñòàðûé 05.09.2007, 12:32
Igor73 Igor73 âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Âðà÷-ó÷àñòíèê ôîðóìà
      
 
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Ìíîãî èíòåðåñíûõ ñîîáùåíèé from ESC-07.  òîì ÷èñëå è ïî BMS vs DES [Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ]
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  #123  
Ñòàðûé 06.09.2007, 23:10
Àâàòàð äëÿ Gilarov
Gilarov Gilarov âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Âðà÷-ó÷àñòíèê ôîðóìà
      
 
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 ðåãèñòðå GRACE èìïëàíòàöèÿ ïîêðûòûõ ñòåíòîâ ïðè ÎÈÌ ñîïðîâîæäàëàñü â 5 ðàç áîåå âûñîêîé ñìåðòíîñòüþ â òå÷åíèå 2-õ ëåò (1,6 è 8% ñîîòâåòñòâåííî).
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  #124  
Ñòàðûé 07.09.2007, 10:48
rsp rsp âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Âðà÷-ó÷àñòíèê ôîðóìà
 
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Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò Gilarov Ïîñìîòðåòü ñîîáùåíèå
 ðåãèñòðå GRACE èìïëàíòàöèÿ ïîêðûòûõ ñòåíòîâ ïðè ÎÈÌ ñîïðîâîæäàëàñü â 5 ðàç áîåå âûñîêîé ñìåðòíîñòüþ â òå÷åíèå 2-õ ëåò (1,6 è 8% ñîîòâåòñòâåííî).
à âîò è êîììåíòàðèè:
Possible mechanisms for risk in STEMI
Speculating on the possible mechanisms driving the higher risk of DES in STEMI patients, Steg pointed to data suggesting that large thrombus burden is an independent predictor of complications and increased mortality and to the fact that DES are known to profoundly delay reendothelialization in the stented segment.
"In the acute infarct situation, not only do you have the large thrombus burden and a nonreendothelialized surface, you also will tend to have some platelet constriction and thrombus in the vessel, which will result in possible undersizing of the stent when you use a DES," Steg said. "When you have a bare-metal stent, undersizing is not very important because you're going to have restenosis that's going to prevent stent thrombosis. But when you have a DES, that creates the potential for gaps between the stent struts and the vessel wall as the vessel enlarges and remodels. It has been shown that the frequency of acquired late stent malapposition in the vessel wall is far greater with DES than bare-metal stents. . . and that's a strong prognostic marker for the risk for stent thrombosis, particularly since stents are not properly reendothelialized up to three years."
[Èçîáðàæåíèÿ äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì]
[Èçîáðàæåíèÿ äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì]Commenting on the study for heartwire, Dr Kurt Huber (Wilhelminen Hospital, Vienna, Austria) emphasized that STEMI is a clear off-label indication. As such, he said the GRACE analysis "isn't really new information, because we always were a little bit afraid of using DES in STEMI patients. Now we are getting information from registries that patients who have this high thrombotic risk also have this high adverse outcome. So it's not really astonishing. We really should stay within the correct indications with DES. We still believe these stents are important for patients with small vessel diameters and long lesions, but that's it so far."
Also unsurprised by the results was Dr Spencer King (Emory University School of Medicine, Atlanta, GA), who early on defended a role for bare-metal stents and urged restraint when DES mania was first sweeping the US, UK, and Europe. The findings from the GRACE registry are in keeping with what many people had predicted would happen if DES were used off-label in STEMI patients, given the different pathogenesis of acute MI, King said. "Many people are still using drug-eluting stents for ACS; these registry results should cause them to reconsider that practice," he told heartwire.


GRACE after SCAAR
During a press conference announcing the results, Steg rejected the suggestion that his findings seem at odds with the somewhat heartening new results from the SCAAR registry, released earlier this week. That registry, he pointed out, looked at all recipients of DES, not just STEMI or ACS patients, yet the survival curves reported by the Swedish investigators showed a similar pattern of divergence over time. Moreover, the GRACE analysis looked only at mortality post-hospital discharge, thereby avoiding any bias related to the choice of stent in patients who ultimately died in the hospital.
"I suspect that the initial in-hospital benefit that you see in SCAAR, which by the way we also saw in our study, is related to the lower base risk score that patients with DES often have. What happens is that dying patients will never get a DES: dying patients will always get a bare-metal stent, so there is a bias in the initial survival related to the selection of candidates for DES. Once you censure that, and you start counting the deaths after hospital discharge, you actually see a worrying trend, even in the SCAAR data. In fact, I think the data are remarkably similar."
But Steg, at the outset of his presentation, noted that his group had chosen to focus on STEMI patients after performing an initial analysis of non-STEMI/unstable-angina patients and finding no differences in mortality between DES and bare-metal-stent-treated patients. Whereas all-cause mortality in patients with STEMI was 1.6% for bare-metal-stent-treated patients and 8.6% for DES-treated patients (p<0.001), in non-STEMI patients, those numbers were 3.9% and 2.9% (p=0.5).
Discussing the results, Dr William Wijns (Cardiovascular Center, OLV Hospital, Aalst, Belgium) pointed out that the NSTEMI results are the good news. "Non-STEMI is a class 1 indication for PCI, and the GRACE registry shows no evidence for increased mortality with DES at any time period."
The bad news is that STEMI is also a class 1 indication for PCI, yet the GRACE registry suggests that the mortality risk associated with DES may be more than sixfold greater than that of bare-metal stents.
To further complicate the issue, Wijns showed an analysis he obtained from the SCAAR registry investigators looking only at STEMI patients treated with DES, which indicated that the relative risk of death in more than 35 000 patients was 1.02 (95% CI 0.86-1.21). Three-year follow-up from yet another randomized trial of DES vs bare-metal stents in AMI, the STRATEGY trial, presented earlier at this meeting by Dr Marco Valgimigli (University of Ferrara, Italy), also showed no differences in mortality rates between the two stent groups.
"These conflicting data should not confuse you," Wijns said. "Patients in trials and registries are different, and these differences are associated with differences in outcome. The strongest determinant of outcome is the case mix. In any registry the decision to treat a patient with a DES or bare-metal stent is a reflection of clinical decision-making, so you can't blame it all on the device."
Wijns concluded, "It will take no less than large properly designed outcome-based randomized trial to sort out this issue." In the meantime, "DES should be used only when they are demonstrated to have a neutral or beneficial effect on mortality and rates of MI, as compared with bare-metal stents."
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  #125  
Ñòàðûé 09.09.2007, 18:29
Àâàòàð äëÿ Gilarov
Gilarov Gilarov âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Âðà÷-ó÷àñòíèê ôîðóìà
      
 
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Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò rsp Ïîñìîòðåòü ñîîáùåíèå
"isn't really new information, because we always were a little bit afraid of using DES in STEMI patients. Now we are getting information from registries that patients who have this high thrombotic risk also have this high adverse outcome. So it's not really astonishing. We really should stay within the correct indications with DES. We still believe these stents are important for patients with small vessel diameters and long lesions, but that's it so far."
Èíòåðåñíî, à ó íàñ òîæå ñòàðàþòñÿ èçáåãàòü ïîêðûòûõ ñòåíòîâ ïðè ÈÌ?
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  #126  
Ñòàðûé 11.09.2007, 22:47
rsp rsp âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Âðà÷-ó÷àñòíèê ôîðóìà
 
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rsp ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìårsp ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìårsp ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìårsp ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìårsp ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìårsp ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìårsp ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìårsp ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìårsp ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò Gilarov Ïîñìîòðåòü ñîîáùåíèå
Èíòåðåñíî, à ó íàñ òîæå ñòàðàþòñÿ èçáåãàòü ïîêðûòûõ ñòåíòîâ ïðè ÈÌ?
Õîðîøèé âîïðîñ, äîñòîéíûé îòäåëüíîé òåìû. Èìõî, åñëè ó íàñ è èçáåãàþò ñòàâèòü ïîêðûòûå ñòåíòû, òî ðåàëüíî ëèøü ïî ïðè÷èíå èõ îòñóòñòâèÿ.
Âåäü êðîìå ýòîãî ðåãèñòðà (â êîòîðîì äàæå íåïîíÿòíî êàêèå èìåííî ïîêðûòûå ñòåíòû èñïîëüçîâàëèñü) åñòü êàê ìèíèìóì ÷åòûðå èññëåäîâàíèÿ (Strategy, Typhoon, Sesami, Passion), äîêàçûâàþùèå îáðàòíîå. Íî ñêîðåå âñåãî, ðåøàþùèì â ýòîì âîïðîñå ìîãóò ñòàòü äàííûå èññëåäîâàíèÿ Horizons AMI, ãäå ðàíäîìèçèðîâàíî áîëåå 3000 ïàöèåíòîâ.
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  #127  
Ñòàðûé 17.09.2007, 13:21
Igor73 Igor73 âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Âðà÷-ó÷àñòíèê ôîðóìà
      
 
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Ñîîáùåíèé: 1,195
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 69 ðàç(à) çà 53 ñîîáùåíèé
Igor73 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåIgor73 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåIgor73 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåIgor73 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåIgor73 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåIgor73 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåIgor73 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåIgor73 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåIgor73 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåIgor73 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåIgor73 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
DES vs BMS: ìåòà-àíàëèç îò Lancet.

Christoph Stettler et al. Outcomes associated with drug-eluting and bare-metal stents: a collaborative network meta-analysis.
Lancet 2007; 370: 937–48

Background
Whether the two drug-eluting stents approved by the US Food and Drug Administration—a sirolimus-eluting stent and a paclitaxel-eluting stent—are associated with increased risks of death, myocardial infarction, or stent thrombosis compared with bare-metal stents is uncertain. Our aim was to compare the safety and eff ectiveness of these stents.

Methods
We searched relevant sources from inception to March, 2007, and contacted investigators and manufacturers to identify randomised controlled trials in patients with coronary artery disease that compared drug-eluting with bare-metal stents, or that compared sirolimus-eluting stents head-to-head with paclitaxel-eluting stents. Safety

outcomes included mortality, myocardial infarction, and defi nite stent thrombosis; the eff ectiveness outcome was target lesion revascularisation. We included 38 trials (18 023 patients) with a follow-up of up to 4 years. Trialists and manufacturers provided additional data on clinical outcomes for 29 trials. We did a network meta-analysis with a

mixed-treatment comparison method to combine direct within-trial comparisons between stents with indirect evidence from other trials while maintaining randomisation.
Findings



Mortality was similar in the three groups: hazard ratios (HR) were 1·00 (95% credibility interval 0·82–1·25) for sirolimus-eluting versus bare-metal stents, 1·03 (0·84–1·22) for paclitaxel-eluting versus bare-metal stents, and 0·96 (0·83–1·24) for sirolimus-eluting versus paclitaxel-eluting stents. Sirolimus-eluting stents were associated with the lowest risk of myocardial infarction (HR 0·81, 95% credibility interval 0·66–0·97, p=0·030 vs bare-metal stents; 0·83, 0·71–1·00, p=0·045 vs paclitaxel-eluting stents). There were no signifi cant diff erences in the risk of defi nite stent thrombosis (0 days to 4 years). However, the risk of late defi nite stent thrombosis (>30 days) was increased with paclitaxel-eluting stents (HR 2·11, 95% credibility interval 1·19–4·23, p=0·017 vs bare-metal stents; 1·85, 1·02–3·85, p=0·041 vs sirolimus-eluting stents). The reduction in target lesion revascularisation seen with drug-eluting stents

compared with bare-metal stents was more pronounced with sirolimus-eluting stents than with paclitaxel-eluting stents (0·70, 0·56–0·84; p=0·0021).

Interpretation



The risks of mortality associated with drug-eluting and bare-metal stents are similar. Sirolimus-eluting stents seem to be clinically better than bare-metal and paclitaxel-eluting stents.

Ïîëíûé òåêñò - [Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ]
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Ñòàðûé 17.09.2007, 13:27
Àâàòàð äëÿ Gilarov
Gilarov Gilarov âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Âðà÷-ó÷àñòíèê ôîðóìà
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 26.07.2001
Ãîðîä: Ìîñêâà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 7,196
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 713 ðàç(à) çà 691 ñîîáùåíèé
Gilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Åñëè ñìåðòíîñòü òàêàÿ æå, òîãäà çà÷åì íàì ïîêðûòûå ñòåíòû.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
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Ñòàðûé 17.09.2007, 13:51
Igor73 Igor73 âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Âðà÷-ó÷àñòíèê ôîðóìà
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 17.03.2005
Ãîðîä: Ìîñêâà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 1,195
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 69 ðàç(à) çà 53 ñîîáùåíèé
Igor73 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåIgor73 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåIgor73 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåIgor73 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåIgor73 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåIgor73 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåIgor73 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåIgor73 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåIgor73 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåIgor73 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåIgor73 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò Gilarov Ïîñìîòðåòü ñîîáùåíèå
Åñëè ñìåðòíîñòü òàêàÿ æå, òîãäà çà÷åì íàì ïîêðûòûå ñòåíòû?
"Ñêðèïà÷ íå íóæåí, Âëàäèìèð Íèêîëàåâè÷.."
Êèí-äçà-äçà.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #130  
Ñòàðûé 17.09.2007, 18:12
Sergnt Sergnt âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Êàíäèäàò â âåòåðàíû ôîðóìà
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 21.01.2006
Ãîðîä: Åêá
Ñîîáùåíèé: 1,038
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 1
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 30 ðàç(à) çà 22 ñîîáùåíèé
Sergnt ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåSergnt ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåSergnt ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåSergnt ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåSergnt ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåSergnt ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåSergnt ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåSergnt ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåSergnt ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåSergnt ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò Gilarov
 ðåãèñòðå GRACE èìïëàíòàöèÿ ïîêðûòûõ ñòåíòîâ ïðè ÎÈÌ ñîïðîâîæäàëàñü â 5 ðàç áîåå âûñîêîé ñìåðòíîñòüþ â òå÷åíèå 2-õ ëåò (1,6 è 8% ñîîòâåòñòâåííî).
Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò Gilarov
Èíòåðåñíî, à ó íàñ òîæå ñòàðàþòñÿ èçáåãàòü ïîêðûòûõ ñòåíòîâ ïðè ÈÌ?
Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò rsp Ïîñìîòðåòü ñîîáùåíèå
Õîðîøèé âîïðîñ, äîñòîéíûé îòäåëüíîé òåìû. Èìõî, åñëè ó íàñ è èçáåãàþò ñòàâèòü ïîêðûòûå ñòåíòû, òî ðåàëüíî ëèøü ïî ïðè÷èíå èõ îòñóòñòâèÿ.
Âåäü êðîìå ýòîãî ðåãèñòðà (â êîòîðîì äàæå íåïîíÿòíî êàêèå èìåííî ïîêðûòûå ñòåíòû èñïîëüçîâàëèñü) åñòü êàê ìèíèìóì ÷åòûðå èññëåäîâàíèÿ (Strategy, Typhoon, Sesami, Passion), äîêàçûâàþùèå îáðàòíîå. Íî ñêîðåå âñåãî, ðåøàþùèì â ýòîì âîïðîñå ìîãóò ñòàòü äàííûå èññëåäîâàíèÿ Horizons AMI, ãäå ðàíäîìèçèðîâàíî áîëåå 3000 ïàöèåíòîâ.
Ýòè èññëåäîâàíèÿ:
[Èçîáðàæåíèÿ äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì]
Èç íèõ òðè ñ ñàéôåðîì, îäíî ñ òàêñóñîì...
[Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ]
Íè â îäíîì èç íèõ íå áûëî ïðîäåìîíñòðèðîâàíî ïðåèìóùåñòâî DES íàä Bare â îòíîøåíèè ëåòàëüíîñòè â ïåðèîä äî 12 ìåñ.
(êàê ñòàëî íåäàâíî èçâåñòíî, îñíîâíûå ïðîáëåìû ñ ÄÅÑàìè íà÷èíàþòñÿ ïîñëå ãîäà. Åñëè âñïîìíèòü GRACE, ðàñõîæäåíèå íà÷èíàåòñÿ ñïóñòÿ ãîä è èäåò ïî "íàðàñòàþùåé" åùå äâà ãîäà)

[Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ]
Íåò ðàçíèöû è ïî ðåèíôàðêòó (îïÿòü òàêè, äî 12 ìåñ.)

Çàòî åñòü äîñòîâåðíàÿ ðàçíèöà ïî TVR (êðîìå PASSION ñ òàêñóñîì)
[Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ]
Íàèáîëåå ÷àñòî â êà÷åñòâå äîâîäîâ DES ïðè ÎÈÌ öèòèðóåòñÿ "Òàéôóí" (îíî è ïîíÿòíî - áîëüøå âñåãî ïàöèåíòîâ), îäíàêî â èññëåäîâàíèå íå âêëþ÷àëèñü ïàöèåíòû ñ Êèëëèï 2 è áîëüøå, ïåðåíåñøèå èíôàðêò ìèîêàðäà, ñ ôðàêöèåé âûáðîñà ìåíåå 30%, ñ âûðàæåííîé èçâèòîñòüþ è êàëüöèíîçîì öåëåâîãî ñîñóäà... Ïðè ýòîì â PASSION äîñòîâåðíîé ðàçíèöû â TVR TLR íå ïîëó÷èëîñü, âîçìîæíî ïîòîìó, ÷òî òàì èñïîëüçîâàëñÿ íåñêîëüêî äðóãîé äèçàéí èññëåäîâàíèÿ: âêëþ÷àëèñü ïàöèåíòû ñ Ô ìåíåå 30%, ñ âûðàæåííîé èçâèòîñòüþ ñîñóäîâ, êàëüöèôèêàöèåé, ñòåíîçàìè >30 ìì. Êðîìå ýòîãî èñïîëüçîâàëñÿ áîëåå êîíêðåòíûé Bare ñòåíò Express2/Liberte íåæåëè "any" â Òàéôóíå. Ïîýòîìó, íàâåðíîå, íàïðÿìóþ Ïàññèîí è Òàéôóí ñðàâíèâàòü íåêîððåêòíî.
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Ñòàðûé 17.09.2007, 18:13
Sergnt Sergnt âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Êàíäèäàò â âåòåðàíû ôîðóìà
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 21.01.2006
Ãîðîä: Åêá
Ñîîáùåíèé: 1,038
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 1
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 30 ðàç(à) çà 22 ñîîáùåíèé
Sergnt ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåSergnt ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåSergnt ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåSergnt ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåSergnt ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåSergnt ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåSergnt ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåSergnt ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåSergnt ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåSergnt ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Ïðîäîëæåíèå...

Ìîæíî åùå âñïîìíèòü äàâíèé ðåãèñòð PREMIER, ãäå òîæå DES íå óáåæäàëè â ïîëüçå ïðè ÎÈÌ:
[Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ]

Êðîìå ýòîãî, åñëè ñðàâíèòü ðåçóëüòàòû STRATEGY ñ áîëüøèìè èññëåäîâàíèÿìè îáû÷íûõ ñòåíòîâ ïðè ÎÈÌ (Êàäèëëàê, Ýìåðàëüä è ò.ï.) ïîëó÷èòñÿ ñëåäóþùåå:
[Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ]

DES íåñîìíåííûé ïðîðûâ â èíòåðâåíöèîííîé êàðäèîëîãèè è íèêóäà îíè íå äåíóòñÿ (áóäóò òîëüêî ëó÷øå). Íà ìîé âçãëÿä, ïðîáëåìà DES â òîì, ÷òî èõ ÷àñòî èñïîëüçîâàëè áåç ïîêàçàíèé â ò.÷. ýòî êàñàåòñÿ ÎÈÌ, ãäå ãëàâíîå - áûñòðî è àäåêâàòíî âîññòàíîâèòü êðîâîòîê ïî ïîðàæåííîìó ñîñóäó íåçàâèñèìî îò àíàòîìè÷åñêèõ ñëîæíîñòåé (ê ñëîâó ñêàçàòü, ïðè ïðÿìîì ñðàâíåíèè Ýíäåâîðà è Ñàéôåðà â èññëåäîâàíèè ENDEAVOR-3 (åñëè íå ïóòàþ), ÷àñòîòà "óñïåøíîé äîñòàâêè" óñòðîéñòâà ñîñòàâèëà îê. 98% è 91% ñîîòâåòñòâåííî. Ò.å. ïî÷òè êàæäûé 10-é ñàéôåð íå ñìîãëè èìïëàíòèðîâàòü îïûòíûå îïåðàòîðû)
Òàê ÷òî áóäåì æäàòü íîâûõ ýôôåêòèâíûõ è áåçîïàñíûõ DES!
À ïîêà ïðè ÎÈÌ îáû÷íûå æåëåçêè...
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #132  
Ñòàðûé 17.09.2007, 20:36
Àâàòàð äëÿ Abugov
Abugov Abugov âíå ôîðóìà
Ðåíòãåíîõèðóðã
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 20.02.2007
Ãîðîä: Ìîñêâà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 2,179
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 202 ðàç(à) çà 197 ñîîáùåíèé
Çàïèñåé â äíåâíèêå: 2
Abugov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAbugov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAbugov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAbugov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAbugov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAbugov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAbugov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAbugov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAbugov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAbugov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAbugov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Äðóçüÿ! Ïîêðûòûå ñòåíòû áûëè ïðèäóìàíû òîëüêî äëÿ òîãî, ÷òîáû ñíèçèòü âåðîÿòíîñòü ðåñòåíîçà. Ïîýòîìó, îíè íå âëèÿþò íà ëåòàëüíîñòü â áîëüøèíñòâå (çà èñêëþ÷åíèåì îòäåëüíûõ êîãîðò) ãðóïï áîëüíûõ. Ïðåèìóùåñòâà DES ìîãóò áûòü âûÿâëåíû òîëüêî ïî îäíîìó ïîêàçàòåëþ - êà÷åñòâó æèçíè (â øèðîêîì åãî ïîíèìàíèè).
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Àáóãîâ Ñåðãåé Àëåêñàíäðîâè÷.
Ðîññèéñêèé Íàó÷íûé Öåíòð Õèðóðãèè èì. àêàäåìèêà Á.Â. Ïåòðîâñêîãî.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #133  
Ñòàðûé 17.09.2007, 20:39
Àâàòàð äëÿ Abugov
Abugov Abugov âíå ôîðóìà
Ðåíòãåíîõèðóðã
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 20.02.2007
Ãîðîä: Ìîñêâà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 2,179
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 202 ðàç(à) çà 197 ñîîáùåíèé
Çàïèñåé â äíåâíèêå: 2
Abugov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAbugov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAbugov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAbugov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAbugov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAbugov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAbugov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAbugov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAbugov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAbugov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAbugov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò Gilarov Ïîñìîòðåòü ñîîáùåíèå
Èíòåðåñíî, à ó íàñ òîæå ñòàðàþòñÿ èçáåãàòü ïîêðûòûõ ñòåíòîâ ïðè ÈÌ?
Ó Âàñ, Ìèõàèë Þðüåâè÷ (â Âàøåé êëèíèêå), ñòàðàþòñÿ ñòàâèòü ïîêðûòûå ñòåíòû.

Êîììåíòàðèè ê ñîîáùåíèþ:
Gilarov îäîáðèë(à): ß äàæå çíàþ, êòî ñòàðàåòñÿ
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Àáóãîâ Ñåðãåé Àëåêñàíäðîâè÷.
Ðîññèéñêèé Íàó÷íûé Öåíòð Õèðóðãèè èì. àêàäåìèêà Á.Â. Ïåòðîâñêîãî.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #134  
Ñòàðûé 17.09.2007, 20:47
Sergnt Sergnt âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Êàíäèäàò â âåòåðàíû ôîðóìà
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 21.01.2006
Ãîðîä: Åêá
Ñîîáùåíèé: 1,038
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 1
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 30 ðàç(à) çà 22 ñîîáùåíèé
Sergnt ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåSergnt ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåSergnt ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåSergnt ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåSergnt ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåSergnt ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåSergnt ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåSergnt ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåSergnt ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåSergnt ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò Abugov Ïîñìîòðåòü ñîîáùåíèå
... Ïîýòîìó, îíè íå âëèÿþò íà ëåòàëüíîñòü â áîëüøèíñòâå (çà èñêëþ÷åíèåì îòäåëüíûõ êîãîðò) ãðóïï áîëüíûõ. Ïðåèìóùåñòâà DES ìîãóò áûòü âûÿâëåíû òîëüêî ïî îäíîìó ïîêàçàòåëþ - êà÷åñòâó æèçíè (â øèðîêîì åãî ïîíèìàíèè).
ß èñêðåííå íàäåþñü, ÷òî â áóäóùåì îíè (DES) áóäóò âëèÿòü íå òîëüêî íà êà÷åñòâî, íî è ïðîäîëæèòåëüíîñòü æèçíè. Ñàì ïðèíöèï ñîâìåùåíèÿ ìåõàíè÷åñêîãî ïîäõîäà ñ ôàðìàêîëîãè÷åñêèì (òî÷å÷íîé äîñòàâêîé â íóæíîå ìåñòî)...
Ïîêà æå èìåþòñÿ íà "ìåñòàõ" ïåðåêîñû è â îáðàòíóþ ñòîðîíó - â Âåëèêîáðèòàíèè ñåðüåçíî îáñóæäàåòñÿ òåìà î çàïðåùåíèè DES â êëèíè÷åñêîé ïðàêòèêå
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #135  
Ñòàðûé 17.09.2007, 21:13
Àâàòàð äëÿ dmblok
dmblok dmblok âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Êàíäèäàò â âåòåðàíû ôîðóìà
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 05.11.2006
Ãîðîä: Msk
Ñîîáùåíèé: 1,827
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 6
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 67 ðàç(à) çà 62 ñîîáùåíèé
dmblok ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådmblok ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådmblok ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådmblok ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådmblok ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådmblok ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådmblok ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådmblok ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådmblok ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådmblok ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådmblok ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò Sergnt Ïîñìîòðåòü ñîîáùåíèå
ß èñêðåííå íàäåþñü, ÷òî â áóäóùåì îíè (DES) áóäóò âëèÿòü íå òîëüêî íà êà÷åñòâî, íî è ïðîäîëæèòåëüíîñòü æèçíè. Ñàì ïðèíöèï ñîâìåùåíèÿ ìåõàíè÷åñêîãî ïîäõîäà ñ ôàðìàêîëîãè÷åñêèì (òî÷å÷íîé äîñòàâêîé â íóæíîå ìåñòî)...
ß èñêðåííå íàäåþñü, ÷òî áóäóùåå çà òàáëåòêîé... Ïðèíÿë è áëÿøêàì êèðäûê. Áåç âñÿêîé ìåõàíèêè.

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