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Îïöèè òåìû Ïîèñê â ýòîé òåìå Îïöèè ïðîñìîòðà
  #61  
Ñòàðûé 09.04.2005, 03:04
Àâàòàð äëÿ yananshs
yananshs yananshs âíå ôîðóìà Ïîë æåíñêèé
çàáàíåí
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 25.02.2003
Ãîðîä: NY
Ñîîáùåíèé: 9,664
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 15
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 56 ðàç(à) çà 51 ñîîáùåíèé
yananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåyananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåyananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåyananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåyananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåyananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåyananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåyananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåyananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåyananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåyananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
P.S. What to Expect When You're Expecting
by Heidi Murkoff
[Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ]


À òàêæå íà áóäóùåå:

What to Expect the First Year
by Heidi Murkoff, Sandee Hathaway, Arlene Eisnberg

What to Expect the Toddler Years
by Arlene Eisenberg

[Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ]
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #62  
Ñòàðûé 09.04.2005, 09:24
natus natus âíå ôîðóìà Ïîë æåíñêèé
Íà÷èíàþùèé ó÷àñòíèê
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 08.04.2005
Ãîðîä: Ìîñêâà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 30
natus ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê ïîëîæèòåëüíî õàðàêòåðèçóåòñÿ íà ôîðóìå
Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò Melnichenko
"Çàâèäóþ áåëîé çàâèñòüþ ëþäÿì ñ ìåä îáðàçîâàíèåì, êîòîðûå õîòü â ÷åì-òî ñàìè ìîãóò ðàçîáðàòüñÿ áåç ïðèâëå÷åíèÿ ÂÐÀ×ÅÉ." - êðóòî.... Òîò ñàìûé 17 ÎÏÃ, ñ êîòîðûì âàì ïðåäëàãàëè áîðîüñÿ äåêñàìåòàçîíîì, ïðîäóêöèÿ êîòîðîãî çàêîíîìåðíî óâåëè÷åíà ïðè áåðåìåííîñòè, çäîðîâî òîðìîçèò ìîçãè...Ïðîëàêòèí òîæå ïðèòîðìàæèâàåò.
Àõ âîò â ÷åì ìîÿ ïðîáëåìà , íàâåðíî è îòåêè èç-çà ýòîãî òîæå.....


Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò Melnichenko
"À â öåëîì- ÝÍÖÐÀÌÍ, ÌÌÀ èì. Ñå÷åíîâà- äà ìèëëèîí ìåñò, ãäå çà 2 ÷àñà ìèðíî èññëåäóþò ÒÒÃ, ãëàâíîå, ÷òîáû ïîòîì ðàçóìíîé áûëà èíòåðïðåòàöèÿ.
Èññëåäîâàòü ÒÒà ìîæíî â ëþáîì çàêîóëêå Ìîñêâû, ÿ Âàñ ñïðàøèâàëà è î íîðìàëüíîé àäåêâàòíîé èíòåðïðåòàöèè àíàëèçîâ, à íå òîëüêî î ìåõàíè÷åñêîì ïîëó÷åíèè ðåçóëüòàòîâ, íî âèäèìî ñ ýòèì íàñòîëüêî ïëîõî, ÷òî äàæå Âû íå ìîæåòå óêàçàòü êîíêðåòíîå ìåñòî äåéñòâèÿ.... Ñå÷åíîâêå ÿ óæå áûëà, òèðîêñèí ïèòü îòêàçàëàñü.......Ïîñëå íàøåé ïëîäîòâîðíîé áåñåäû ÿ äóìàþ óæå íèêóäà íå ïîéäó.

Íàñêîëüêî ÿ ïîíÿëà â íà÷àëå íàøåé äèñêóññèè Âû ñêàçàëè î ìàëîé ÷óâñòâèòåëüíîñòè òåñò-ñèñòåì ê ÒÒà , â ìîåì ïîíèìàíèè èñïîð÷åííûì ãîðìîíàìè , ìàëàÿ ÷óâñòâèòåëüíîñòü îçíà÷àåò íå ñîâñåì òî÷íûé ðåçóëüòàò è êàê ñëåäñòâèå íåïðàâèëüíóþ òðàêòîâêó àíàëèçîâ, à âîâñå íå óçêèå ðàìêè íîðìû ÈÌÕÎ.

Îãðîìíîå ñïàñèáî çà âíèìàíèå ê ìîåé ïåðñîíå è êîíñóëüòàöèþ.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #63  
Ñòàðûé 09.04.2005, 09:26
natus natus âíå ôîðóìà Ïîë æåíñêèé
Íà÷èíàþùèé ó÷àñòíèê
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 08.04.2005
Ãîðîä: Ìîñêâà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 30
natus ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê ïîëîæèòåëüíî õàðàêòåðèçóåòñÿ íà ôîðóìå
ßíà, ñïàñèáî çà ññûëêè, áóäó èçó÷àòü â âûõîäíûå
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #64  
Ñòàðûé 09.04.2005, 09:30
natus natus âíå ôîðóìà Ïîë æåíñêèé
Íà÷èíàþùèé ó÷àñòíèê
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 08.04.2005
Ãîðîä: Ìîñêâà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 30
natus ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê ïîëîæèòåëüíî õàðàêòåðèçóåòñÿ íà ôîðóìå
Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò yananshs
Áåðåìåííûì ÍÅËüÇß îãðàíè÷èâàòü ïîòðåáëåíèå æèäêîñòè!!!
È ïèùó ìîæíî ñîëèòü..
Æèäêîñòè ÿ âûïèâàþ îêîëî 2ë â äåíü, êàæåòñÿ âïîëíå äîñòàòî÷íî, à âîò ñîëåíîå ïðîñòî íå ëþáëþ, ïîýòîìó ñîëþ î÷åíü ìàëî.


Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò yananshs
È áåëêè íå íóæíî îãðàíè÷èâàòü.
ß ÷èòàëà ñòàòüþ î îãðàíè÷åíèè áåëêîâ, ò.ê. îíè çàòðóäíÿþò ðàáîòó ïî÷åê, âîò è íå çíàþ êîìó âåðèòü....
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #65  
Ñòàðûé 09.04.2005, 09:43
Àâàòàð äëÿ yananshs
yananshs yananshs âíå ôîðóìà Ïîë æåíñêèé
çàáàíåí
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 25.02.2003
Ãîðîä: NY
Ñîîáùåíèé: 9,664
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 15
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 56 ðàç(à) çà 51 ñîîáùåíèé
yananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåyananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåyananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåyananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåyananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåyananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåyananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåyananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåyananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåyananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåyananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò natus
ß ÷èòàëà ñòàòüþ î îãðàíè÷åíèè áåëêîâ, ò.ê. îíè çàòðóäíÿþò ðàáîòó ïî÷åê, âîò è íå çíàþ êîìó âåðèòü....
Çàâèñèò îò òîãî, êòî íàïèñàë ýòó ñòàòüþ, è íà êàêèå èñòî÷íèêè îíè ññûëàëèñü.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #66  
Ñòàðûé 09.04.2005, 09:46
natus natus âíå ôîðóìà Ïîë æåíñêèé
Íà÷èíàþùèé ó÷àñòíèê
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 08.04.2005
Ãîðîä: Ìîñêâà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 30
natus ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê ïîëîæèòåëüíî õàðàêòåðèçóåòñÿ íà ôîðóìå
Ïîïðîáóþ ïîèñêàòü åå â èíåòå... (÷èòàëà â æóðíàëå îçäîðîâèòåëüíîì êàêîì-òî)
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #67  
Ñòàðûé 09.04.2005, 09:53
Àâàòàð äëÿ yananshs
yananshs yananshs âíå ôîðóìà Ïîë æåíñêèé
çàáàíåí
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 25.02.2003
Ãîðîä: NY
Ñîîáùåíèé: 9,664
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 15
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 56 ðàç(à) çà 51 ñîîáùåíèé
yananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåyananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåyananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåyananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåyananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåyananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåyananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåyananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåyananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåyananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåyananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
[Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ]
[Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ]

PROTEIN
DRI = 46 grams/day (g/d)
Pregnant or lactating = 71 g/d

RDA = 0.8 g/ Kg of body weight/ day
Pregnant or lactating = 1.1 g of protein/Kg of body weight/ day.

Good sources of protein: meat, fish, poultry, nuts, eggs, beans, soy products, milk, cheese, yogurt.

8 oz. milk = 8 grams protein
3 oz. meat patty = 20 grams protein
1 TBSP of peanut butter = 5 grams protein
3 oz. of tuna = 30 grams of protein
1 oz. of cereal = 6 grams of protein
1 cup of corn = 5 grams of protein

As you can see, it is easy to consume an adequate amount of protein in your diet. The diet you are currently following is probably more than adequate to meet your pregnancy needs.

If you are vegetarian or vegan and if you consume a variety of legumes, grain products, soy products, and vegetables, obtaining adequate protein should not be a problem.


You Should Eat Plenty of Protein
Adequate protein is essential for the development of the baby (especially the brain) and may help protect against preeclampsia during pregnancy.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #68  
Ñòàðûé 09.04.2005, 18:21
Àâàòàð äëÿ Melnichenko
Melnichenko Melnichenko âíå ôîðóìà
ÂÐÀ×
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 26.07.2001
Ãîðîä: Ìîñêâà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 117,410
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 26
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 33,669 ðàç(à) çà 32,743 ñîîáùåíèé
Melnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
"  Ñå÷åíîâêå ÿ óæå áûëà, òèðîêñèí ïèòü îòêàçàëàñü.." .- Ïðîøó ñîîáùèòü ìíå èìÿ ýíäîêðèíîëîãà â ÌÌÀ, íàçíà÷èâøåãî âàì òèðîêñèí.
..."Ïîñëå íàøåé ïëîäîòâîðíîé áåñåäû ÿ äóìàþ óæå íèêóäà íå ïîéäó" - äóìàþ, áóäåò ðàçóìíî, åñëè â âèäó èìåþòñÿ ýíäîêðèíîëîãè, ðàçâå ÷òî çàãëÿíåòå ê íàì íà êàôåäðó ìåñÿöà 3- 6 ïîñëå ðîäîâ( òüôó, òüôó...).

"Íàñêîëüêî ÿ ïîíÿëà â íà÷àëå íàøåé äèñêóññèè Âû ñêàçàëè î ìàëîé ÷óâñòâèòåëüíîñòè òåñò-ñèñòåì ê ÒÒà , â ìîåì ïîíèìàíèè ,èñïîð÷åííîì ãîðìîíàìè , ìàëàÿ ÷óâñòâèòåëüíîñòü îçíà÷àåò íå ñîâñåì òî÷íûé ðåçóëüòàò è êàê ñëåäñòâèå íåïðàâèëüíóþ òðàêòîâêó àíàëèçîâ, à âîâñå íå óçêèå ðàìêè íîðìû ÈÌÕÎ" - íå ñîâñåì òàê.ß óïðîùàëà ñèòóàöèþ. Ïðîáëåìà â ñëåäóþùåì.  íàñòîÿùåå âðåìÿ äëÿ îïðåäåëåíèÿ ÒÒà ( îñîáåííî âî âðåìÿ áåðåìåííîñòè) èñïîëüçóþò íàáîðû 2 è 3 ãåíåðàöèè. Ýòî ôàíòàñòè÷åñêè òî÷íûå íàáîðû( 95 % ÷óâñòâèòåëüíîñòü è ñïåöèôè ÷íîñòü), ïëþñ áûñòðîòà èññëåäîâàíèÿ- 2 ÷àñà ðàáîòû.Âñå ýòî ïîçâîëèëî ñîçäàòü ñîâðåìåííûé ïðîòîêîë îáñëåäîâàíèÿ ëèö ñ ïîäîçðåíèåì íà ïðîáëåìû ñî ùèòîâèäíîé æåëåçîé \ íàëè÷èåì ïðîáëåì. Íèæíÿÿ ãðàíèöà íîðìû äëÿ ÒÒÃ- 0, 17-0, 2 ìåä\ìë.
Íàì äàâíî èçâåñòíû ñòðàííûå íîðìàòèâû, óêàçûâàåìûå â Öåíòðå Îõðàíû Çäîðîâüÿ ìàòåðè è ðåáåíêà ( íà Îïàðèíà), ìû ìíîãî ðàç ãîîâðèëè è â ëåêöèÿõ. è â ëè÷íûõ áåñåäàõ ñ ðóêîâîäèòåëÿìè ëàáîðàòîðèè î íåïîíÿòíîé ñèòóàöèè â ýòîì êðóïíîì ó÷ðåæäåíèè.Ïî÷òè åæåäíåâíî ìû âûòèðàåì çàïëàêàííûõ äàì, íàïóãàííûõ ñòðàøíûìè ðàññêàçàìè ãèíåêîëîãîâ. ×àùå âñåãî ýòî ñâÿçàíî ñ îòñóñòâèåì ïðåäñòàâëåíèé î íîðìàõ äëÿ ÒÒà âî âðåìÿ áåðåìåííîñòè.
Âìåñòå ñ òåì íè ýòè íîðìû, íè ðåêîìåíäàöèè ( îòå÷åñòâåííûå è ìåæäóíàðîäíûå) íå ÿâëÿþòñÿ ñåêðåòîì. Äîñòàòî÷íî âûéòè íà ñàéò Òèðîíåò äëÿ âðà÷åé...
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