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Ôîðóì äëÿ îáùåíèÿ âðà÷åé ïåäèàòðîâ Ôîðóì ïðåäíàçíà÷åí òîëüêî äëÿ îáùåíèÿ âðà÷åé ìåæäó ñîáîé. Âîïðîñû ïàöèåíòîâ çàäàþòñÿ íà ôîðóìå Ïåäèàòðèÿ.

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Îïöèè òåìû Ïîèñê â ýòîé òåìå Îïöèè ïðîñìîòðà
  #31  
Ñòàðûé 22.05.2007, 20:04
Àâàòàð äëÿ Mara___dok
Mara___dok Mara___dok âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Âåòåðàí ôîðóìà
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 14.08.2006
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Mara___dok ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMara___dok ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMara___dok ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMara___dok ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMara___dok ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMara___dok ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMara___dok ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMara___dok ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMara___dok ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMara___dok ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMara___dok ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Öèòàòà:
Ýòî ó âàñ ñòðàííàÿ òàêòèêà áóäåò, åñëè ðåáåíîê ïåðåíîñèò áðîíõèò ñ ôåáðèëüíîé ëèõîðàäêîé â òå÷åíèå íåäåëè (êàê â âûøåóïîìÿíóòîì ïðèìåðå; õîòÿ õâàòèò è 4-5 äíåé), à âû âìåñòî òîãî, ÷òîá íàçíà÷èòü àíòèáèîòèê, ïðåäëîæåòå ìàìå îáñëåäîâàòü ðåáåíêà (à åùå ëó÷øå - ïîäîæäàòü ðåçóëüòàòû ïîñåâà, ÷òîá óçíàòü íàâåðíÿêà, "êàêèå æå ìû áóäåì íàçíà÷àòü àíòèáèîòèêè". ×òîá íå "ñðàçó").
Êîëëåãà, äàâàéòå ðàçáåðåìñÿ ñ âîçðàñòîì ýòîãî ïðåäïîëàãàåìîãî ðåáåíêà. Èñõîäÿ èç ýòîãî, ïðîäîëæèì ðàçãîâîð.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #32  
Ñòàðûé 24.05.2007, 15:03
dimbi dimbi âíå ôîðóìà Ïîë ìóæñêîé
Ñåðôåð
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 04.05.2007
Ãîðîä: Ñàíêò-Ïåòåðáóðã
Ñîîáùåíèé: 6
dimbi *
Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò ÂÂÑ
Êîëëåãà, à òîò ôàêò, ÷òî áðîíõèòû â ïîäàâëÿþùåì áîëüøèíñòâå ñëó÷àåâ âûçûâàþòñÿ âèðóñàìè îí Âàñ ñîâñåì íå ñìóùàåò?
Âîò òóò åùå ñòàòåéêà ïîëåçíàÿ åñòü.... Äëÿ ïðîäîëæåíèÿ ðàçãîâîðà.
 ïîäàâëÿþùåì. Íî íå â 100% ñëó÷àåâ.
È â äàííîì ñëó÷àå ãîâîðèì î ïðèñîåäèíåíèè áàêòåðèàëüíîé èíôåêöèè.
P.S. Çà ñòàòåéêó ñïàñèáî.
Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò Mara___dok
Êîëëåãà, äàâàéòå ðàçáåðåìñÿ ñ âîçðàñòîì ýòîãî ïðåäïîëàãàåìîãî ðåáåíêà. Èñõîäÿ èç ýòîãî, ïðîäîëæèì ðàçãîâîð.
Äàâàéòå.
Ïóñêàé äåòåíêó áóäåò, ê ïðèìåðó, 3 ãîäèêà.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #33  
Ñòàðûé 25.05.2007, 16:27
OrFun OrFun âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Âðà÷-ó÷àñòíèê ôîðóìà
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 24.05.2006
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OrFun ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåOrFun ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåOrFun ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåOrFun ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåOrFun ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåOrFun ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåOrFun ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåOrFun ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåOrFun ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåOrFun ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåOrFun ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
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Öèòàòà:
À ïî÷åìó áû è íåò? "Ýìïèðè÷åñêîå ïðèìåíåíèå àíòèáàêòåðèàëüíûõ ïðåïàðàòîâ (àìîêñèöèëëèí, àìîêñèöèëëèí/êëàâóëàíàò, ìàêðîëèäû) ìîæåò áûòü îïðàâäàíî â ñëó÷àå çàòÿæíîãî òå÷åíèÿ áðîíõèòà; ïðè ôåáðèëüíîé òåìïåðàòóðå, äëÿùåéñÿ áîëåå 3-5 äíåé; ïðèñîåäèíåíèè áàêòåðèàëüíîé èíôåêöèè." Åñëè óæ âû òàê õîòåëè èñòî÷íèê. Îäèí èç ìíîãèõ, êñòàòè.
ÍÅ òàê óæ è ìíîãèõ ... Âñå æå îí ïðîòèâîðå÷èò ìèðîâûì äàííûì .  Íåëüñîíå íèãäå íå íàøëà î òàêîì êðèòåðèè íàçíà÷åíèÿ àíòèáèîòèêîâ. Ñêàçàíî ëèøü , ÷òî ñèìïòîìû ÎÐÂÈ ó 10% áîëüíûõ ìîãóò ïåðñèñòèðîâàòü äî 2 íåäåëü. Ïîäîáíûå ñòàòüè , êîíå÷íî , ÷èòàëà (ÿ æå íå ñëó÷àéíî íàïèñàëà èìåííî ïðî 5 äíåé , à 10 äíåé , ýòî , êàæåòñÿ èç Íåëüñîíà , íî ñåé÷àñ íå íàøëà â íåì ýòî ìåñòî .)


Êñòàòè , ñëó÷àéíî íàøëàñü èíòåðåñíàÿ ñòàòüÿ . Ïî-ìîåìó , ó íàñ âñå íàîáîðîò - èìåííî âðà÷è , ìåäñåñòðû è ôàðìàöåâòû î÷åíü ëþáÿò "ïîëå÷èòü" äåòèøåê ...[Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ]


Öèòàòà:
Îïÿòü æå ïðèìåð. Äàâàéòå æèòü äðóæíî. Òîíçèëëèò èëè àäåíîèäèò âàñ óñòðîèò?
Äàâàéòå . Âû îá ýòîì ? [Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ]
È , êàê ìû äàëåå âèäèì , äàëåêî íå ëþáîé òîíçèëëèò òðåáóåò àíòèáèîòèêîòåðàïèè ... [Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ]

Öèòàòà:
Ýòî ó âàñ ñòðàííàÿ òàêòèêà áóäåò, åñëè ðåáåíîê ïåðåíîñèò áðîíõèò ñ ôåáðèëüíîé ëèõîðàäêîé â òå÷åíèå íåäåëè (êàê â âûøåóïîìÿíóòîì ïðèìåðå; õîòÿ õâàòèò è 4-5 äíåé), à âû âìåñòî òîãî, ÷òîá íàçíà÷èòü àíòèáèîòèê, ïðåäëîæåòå ìàìå îáñëåäîâàòü ðåáåíêà (à åùå ëó÷øå - ïîäîæäàòü ðåçóëüòàòû ïîñåâà, ÷òîá óçíàòü íàâåðíÿêà, "êàêèå æå ìû áóäåì íàçíà÷àòü àíòèáèîòèêè". ×òîá íå "ñðàçó").
Êîíå÷íî , îáÿçàòåëüíî ïðåäëîæó ìàìå îáñëåäîâàòü ðåáåíêà. Èçâèíèòå , íî áðîíõèò ñ ôåáðèëüíîé ëèõîðàäêîé ó ðåáåíêà ñ î÷àãîâûìè èçìåíåíèÿìè íà ðåíòãåíîãðàììå èëè ó ðåáåíêà ñ áîëüþ â óõå ïîòðåáóåò ðàçíîé òàêòèêè è ðàçíûõ àíòèáèîòèêîâ (äàæå ýìïèðè÷åñêè). È ïî÷åìó îáñëåäîâàíèå-ýòî òîëüêî ïîñåâ ??? Íàïðèìåð- îáùèé àíàëèç êðîâè , ìî÷è , ðåíòãåíîãðàììà ãðóäíîé êëåòêè , îòîñêîïèÿ + âíèìàòåëüíûé îñìîòð ãîðëà (èëè êîíñóëüòàöèÿ ËÎÐ). Çà÷åì òóò äîëãî æäàòü ? Ìîæíî â 1 äåíü óëîæèòüñÿ ...



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Öèòàòà:
Antibiotics Overuse
Antibiotics Overuse

Antibiotic overuse in children has become a common problem over the past decades, aggravated by parental pressure for the medication, according to the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP). In 1980, 4.2 million prescriptions were written for amoxicillin, an oral antibiotic to treat ear infections. In 1992, the number of prescriptions had grown to 12.3 million (194 percent increase). Use of another antibiotic to treat ear infections, cephalosporins, increased from 876,000 prescriptions in 1980 to 6.8 million in 1992 (a 687 percent increase).

However, parents and physicians are heeding warnings from healthcare professionals about antibiotic overuse. In a 2002 study, researchers found that antibiotic prescriptions per 1,000 children and adolescents under the age of 15 dropped by 40 percent from the year 1990 to 2000. Antibiotic prescriptions resulting from physician's visits also dropped by 29 percent. For otitis media, specifically, prescriptions dropped by 47 percent.

Overuse of antibiotics is leading to strains of diseases that are becoming resistant to the medication, making it harder to treat patients. All too often, antibiotics have been prescribed for conditions such as colds, fluid in the middle ear, or bronchitis, which do not respond to antibiotics, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). Antibiotics are only effective in treating bacterial infections.

The key to preventing overuse of antibiotics is education of the parents and physicians in the appropriate use of antibiotics, according to the AAP. Some tips to remember when taking antibiotics, according to the American Medical Association (AMA), include the following
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #34  
Ñòàðûé 25.05.2007, 17:39
OrFun OrFun âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Âðà÷-ó÷àñòíèê ôîðóìà
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 24.05.2006
Ãîðîä: Ìîñêîâñêàÿ îáëàñòü
Ñîîáùåíèé: 938
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 4
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 124 ðàç(à) çà 119 ñîîáùåíèé
OrFun ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåOrFun ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåOrFun ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåOrFun ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåOrFun ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåOrFun ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåOrFun ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåOrFun ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåOrFun ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåOrFun ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåOrFun ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò Mara___dok
Êîëëåãà, äàâàéòå ðàçáåðåìñÿ ñ âîçðàñòîì ýòîãî ïðåäïîëàãàåìîãî ðåáåíêà. Èñõîäÿ èç ýòîãî, ïðîäîëæèì ðàçãîâîð.
Ìàøà , ïðîñòèòå , ïîæàëóéñòà , íî ïî-ìîåìó ýòîò ïóòü ðàçâèòèÿ äèñêóññèè íèêóäà íå âåäåò , òîëüêî âíåñåò ñóìÿòèöó â óæå è áåç òîãî çàïóòàííóþ òåìó . Äëÿ îáñóæäåíèÿ êîíêðåòíûõ äåòåé îïðåäåëåííîãî âîçðàñòà åñòü êîíñóëüòàòèâíûé ôîðóì . Îáñóæäåíèå ãèïîòåòè÷åñêèõ äåòåé îïðåäåëåííîãî âîçðàñòà ñ êîíêðåòíûì íàáîðîì ôèçèêàëüíûõ , àíàìíåñòè÷åñêèõ è ëàáîðàòîðíûõ äàííûõ - â Íåñêó÷èíå (óâû ...ßíû è Èðû áîëüøå íåò íà ôîðóìå ).Îáñóæäåíèå êîíêðåòíîé íîçîëîãèè èëè êëèíè÷åñêîé ñèòóàöèè - äðóãîé âîïðîñ.
Öèòàòà:
È íàïðàñíî âû ðàçúÿñíÿëè íàïðàâëåíèå äèñêóññèè, îíî ìíå ïîíÿòíî
Äà ïðîñòèò ìåíÿ dimbi , íî ÿ âñå æå ïîïðîáóþ îïðåäåëèòü íàïðàâëåíèå äèñêóñèè (ïîòîìó ÷òî ÿ ñàìà óæå çàïóòàëàñü) Íà÷èíàëîñü âñå ñ îáñóæåíèÿ ýòèîëîãèè áðîíõèòà âîîáùå . Ïîñêîëüêó ýòîò ôîðóì- äëÿ âðà÷åé ïåäèàòðîâ , è òåìà áûëà âûíåñåíà èç îáñóæäåíèÿ òàêòèêè ó ðåáåíêà ñ íåîñëîæíåííûì òå÷åíèåì âèðóñíîãî çàáîëåâàíèÿ , áûëî ïðåäëîæåíî âåðíóòüñÿ áëèæå ê äåòÿì ñ íåîñëîæíåííûì ïðåìîðáèäíûì ôîíîì . Äàëåå îáñóæäåíèå ïåðåìåñòèëîñü â ñòîðîíó íåîáõîäèìîñòè àíòèáèîòèêîòåðàïèè ïðè ÎÐÂÈ è êðèòåðèè íàçíà÷åíèÿ ýòîé ñàìîé òåðàïèè. Ïðè÷åì ïî÷åìó-òî íà ïðèìåðå íåêîåãî àáñòðàêòíîãî ðåáåíêà 3 ëåò ñ íåèçâåñòíûì àíàìíåçîì è êëèíèêîé (????).
×òî áóäåì îáñóæäàòü ? Êðèòåðèè àíòèáèîòèêîòåðàïèè ïðè ÎÐÂÈ ? Òàêòèêó âåäåíèÿ äåòåé ñ îñòðûì áðîíõèòîì â óñëîâèÿõ ðîññèéñêîãî ïåäèàòðè÷åñêîãî ó÷àñòêà ?

Êîììåíòàðèè ê ñîîáùåíèþ:
Mara___dok îäîáðèë(à): Ñîãëàñíà.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #35  
Ñòàðûé 25.05.2007, 21:46
OrFun OrFun âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Âðà÷-ó÷àñòíèê ôîðóìà
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 24.05.2006
Ãîðîä: Ìîñêîâñêàÿ îáëàñòü
Ñîîáùåíèé: 938
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 Íåëüñîíå íèãäå íå íàøëà î òàêîì êðèòåðèè íàçíà÷åíèÿ àíòèáèîòèêîâ.
)) Íàøëà . Íî íå ïðî àíòèáèîòèêè , êîíå÷íî ... Èìåííî ïðî äëèòåëüíîñòü ëèõîðàäêè. Ïðàâäà , â ðàçäåëå èíôîðìàöèè äëÿ ïàöèåíòîâ .
[Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ]
Öèòàòà:
If fever continues beyond four to five days, see your doctor for a physical examination to rule out pneumonia.
È ïðî ãèïîòåòè÷åñêèõ äåòåé 3 ëåò ñ ëèõîðàäêîé .Òàêòèêà âåäåíèÿ äåòåé 3-36 ìåñ[Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ]
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