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Óâ. V. ZAITSEV
Âû çíàåòå, ÿ âåäü òîæå çíàêîì ñ ïîäîáíûì ïîäõîäîì è ê âðà÷åáíîìó îáðàçîâàíèþ è ê âðà÷åáíîé ðàáîòå. Ôèëîñîôñòâîâàòü î íîçîëîãè÷åñêèõ åäèíèöàõ, ýòèîëîãèè è ïàòîãåíåçå, "êëèíè÷åñêîì ìûøëåíèè" è ò.ä. è áûòü âðà÷åì ýòî ðàçíûå âåùè. ß ïîëàãàþ, âû îáðàòèëè âíèìàíèå, íàïðèìåð, íà ïîäîáíûå ïîñòû : " Óâàæàåìûå êîëëåãè! Ó êîãî-íèáóäü åñòü îïûò óìíîæåíèÿ?Ñêîëüêî áóäåò äâàæäû äâà? Ìàòåìàòèê." ---------------------------- È â îòâåò: -"5" -"3" -"4" -"À ñòîèò ëè çàíèìàòüñÿ óìíîæåíèåì? È ÷òî áóäåò ñ Ðîññèåé, åñëè âñå áóäóò óìíîæàòü" - è ïàðó öèòàò íå ïî-ðóññêè - è ÿðîñòíûé ñïîð î ñâÿçè ÷èñëà 5 è îçîíîòåðàïèè - è Ãðîìîáîé ñî ñâîèìè ñàõàðíûìè ãðàíóëàìè. Êîðî÷å ãîâîðÿ, "Ðóññêèé ìåäèöèíñêèé ñåðâåð". |
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×òî æ, óâ. Vladlen!
ß áûë ïî÷òè óâåðåí â ôîðìå Âàøåãî îòâåòà. Çà òî íåïðîäîëæèòåëüíîå âðåìÿ, ïîêà Âû íà ôîðóìå, îòâåòàìè ïî ñóùåñòâó Âû íàñ íå áàëîâàëè. Çà÷åì, åñëè òîëüêî îäíîãî ãîðäîãî çâàíèÿ «MD â öèâèëèçîâàííîì ìèðå!» äîñòàòî÷íî äëÿ îäíîçíà÷íûõ îöåíîê.  äàëüíåéøåì ïîñòàðàþñü ó÷åñòü, ÷òî Âàøå ìíåíèå íå ïîäëåæèò îáñóæäåíèþ. P.S. Äà åù¸, îñòàâèì â ñòîðîíå Â. Çàéöåâà, íî ïîëàãàþ, ÷òî ìèêðîáèîëîã, ä-ð áèîë. íàóê Îñèïîâ Ã. À. çíà÷èòåëüíî ëó÷øå ðàçáèðàåòñÿ â ìåòàáîëèçìå ìèêðîôëîðû êèøå÷íèêà, ÷åì MD Vladlen, íåñìîòðÿ íà âñþ åãî çíà÷èìîñòü, ïî ñðàâíåíèþ ñî ñïåöèàëèñòàìè îòñòàëîé Ðîññèè. Åñëè ä-ð Vladlen, î ÷åì îí ïîâåäàë, çíàêîì ýòèì âîïðîñîì íà óðîâíå 2õ2, òî Îñèïîâ Ã. À. âëàäååò åù¸ è èíòåãðàëüíî – äèôôåðåíöèàëüíûì èñ÷èñëåíèåì. |
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Óâàæàåìûé AlexT
Âîïðîñ ñëîæíûé. Ïðîñòîãî îòâåòà íà íåãî ó ìåíÿ íåò.
----------------------------------------------------------- Êîãäà-òî äàâíî îäèí ïðîôåññîð-ôèçèê ðàññêàçûâàë ìíå êàêèå âîïðîñû îí çàäàåò ëþäÿì, æåëàÿ "çàâàëèòü" èõ íà âñòóïèòåëüíûõ ýêçàìåíàõ â óíèâåðñèòåò. "×òî òàêîå ìàãíèò?", - ñïðàøèâàë ïðîôåññîð è, íå ïîëó÷àë îòâåòà. È àáèòóðèåíò øåë äîìîé. È íå ÷óâñòâîâàë ñåáÿ îáèæåííûì. Äåéñòâèòåëüíî, íà ýêçàìåíå ïî ôèçèêå íå çíàòü, ÷òî òàêîå ìàãíèò... Çàáàâíî, ÷òî îòâåòà íà ýòîò âîïðîñ ïî ñóùåñòâó íå çíàåò íèêòî, íå çíàë åãî è ïðîôåññîð. ----------------------------------------------------------- Îäíàæäû äàâíî ÿ ïîñòàâèë íåáîëüøîé ýêñïåðèìåíò. Âñåì ñòóäåíòàì 6-ãî êóðñà ìåäèöèíñêîãî èíñòèòóòà áûë çàäàí âîïðîñ "×åãî áîëüøå â ìë êðîâè - ýðèòðîöèòîâ, ëåéêîöèòîâ èëè òðîìáîöèòîâ?". Ïðàâèëüíî îòâåòèëè ïðèìåðíî 15% âûïóñêíèêîâ, õîòÿ, äàæå ïî òåîðèè âåðîÿòíîñòè, ïðàâèëüíûõ îòâåòîâ äîëæíî áûëî áûòü áîëüøå. Ïîëó÷åííûå â èíñòèòóòå çíàíèÿ, âèäèìî, ìåøàëè. È ýòî ÷èñòàÿ ïðàâäà. ----------------------------------------------------------- Êîðîòêî ãîâîðÿ, ÿ äóìàþ, âðà÷ó ñëåäóåò çíàòü íåêîòîðûå îòâåòû, à "ðàññóæäàòü î ìàãíèòå" ìîæíî è íå áóäó÷è âðà÷åì. |
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Âîò è ëàäóøêè, ïîçèöèÿ äîñòàòî÷íî ÷åòêî ñôîðìóëèðîâàíà. Äëÿ ôèçèêà ïðàêòèêà, ÷èòàé âðà÷à, äîñòàòî÷íî çíàòü, ÷òî ñ ïîìîùüþ ïîñòîÿííîãî ìàãíèòà ìîæíî íàéòè ïîòåðÿííóþ èãîëêó. À ðàññóæäåíèÿ òàì ïî «äèíàìî-òåîðèè», ôåððîìàãíåòèçìå è ò.ï. äëÿ ïðàêòèêà â îáùåì–òî íè ê ÷åìó. Òàêàÿ ïîçèöèÿ, äî îïðåäåëåííîé ñòåïåíè, èìååò ïðàâî íà ñóùåñòâîâàíèå, òîëüêî âîò çíàíèå «îá èãîëêå» íå äàåò ýòîìó ïðàêòèêó ïðàâî äëÿ áåçàïåëëÿöèîííûõ âûâîäîâ, òèïà, ÷òî íàðóøåíèå ìèêðîáèîöåíîçà (äèñáàêòåðèîç) «ñóùåñòâóåò ëèøü â óìàõ ðîññèéñêèõ äîêòîðîâ».
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ê øàïîøíîìó ðàçáîðó
Óâ. Vladlen. Êàê ôëåéì: ìíå î÷åíü ïîíðàâèëñÿ ïîñò, ãäå Âû ïðèâîäèòå ïðèìåð ñ 2õ2. Î÷åíü ìåòêî. Êàê íå ôëåéì: Öèòàòà:
Íåóæåëè âðà÷-ðîäèòåëü (à òåì áîëåå íå âðà÷) îáíàðóæèâ îäíàæäû ó ñîáñòâåííîãî ðåá¸íêà ðåçêîå èçìåíåíèå öâåòà-çàïàõà ôåêàëèé (âïëîòü äî çëîâîííîãî) íå äîëæåí çàäóìàòüñÿ (÷èòàé ïðåäïðèíÿòü ÷åãî ëèáî)? Ïóñòü äàæå ýòî ñîáûòèå ñâÿçàíî ñ îñîáåííîñòÿìè ïèòàíèÿ, à òàêæå ñ "ãèïîòåòè÷åñêèì" ìèêðîáíûì ôîíîì â êèøå÷íèêå, âåðíåå åãî ñòàíîâëåíèåì. Âåäü âñ¸ æå ðåá¸íêà îêðóæàåò íå ñòåðèëüíàÿ ÷èñòîòà. Ïóñòü òåðìèí äèñáàêòåðèîç äèñêóòàáåëåí, íî îòðèöàòü íàëè÷èå èçìåíåíèÿ îáû÷íîãî äëÿ äàííîãî ÷åëîâåêà (íå ïîïóëÿöèè) ñîñòàâà ìèêðîôëîðû êèøå÷íèêà, ìÿãêî ãîâîðÿ, îïðîìåò÷èâî. È ïðåäïîëîãàòü âîçìîæíîñòü åãî (ñîñòàâà) èçìåíåíèÿ ïîä âîçäåéñòâèåì íå ñîâñåì íîðìàëüíûõ ïðè÷èí ïðåäñòàâëÿåòñÿ ëîãè÷íûì. Äðóãîå äåëî êàê ýòî èçìåíåíèå äèàãíîñòèðîâàòü è ëå÷èòü (åñëè íóæíî) - ýòî òåìà èíîãî ðàçãîâîðà. Èëè Âû îòðèöàåòå ñàìî èçìåíåíèå? Êîíå÷íî âðÿäëè îò "äèñáàêòåðèîçà" áóäóò êîæíûå ïðîÿâëåíèÿ - ñêîðåå àëëåðãè÷åñêîé èëè ãèãèåíè÷åñêîé ïðèðîäû, íî ïèùåâàðåíèå-êèøå÷íèê-ïå÷åíü ìîãóò ñòðàäàòü. Âåäü òîò æå íåïðèÿòíûé çàïàõ - ýòî íå ïðîñòî óãëåêèñëûé ãàç+ìåòàí, à àììèàê, è íåêîòîðûå äðóãèå "íå áåçðàçëè÷íûå" òîêñèíû. Íàâåðíîå ýòî íåõîðîøî...  õèðóðãèè ïîäîáíûå ñîñòîÿíèÿ âñòðå÷àþòñÿ, è íè÷åãî õîðîøåãî ýòî íå íåñ¸ò.  çàêëþ÷åíèå: åñëè âûáèðàòü ìåæäó "áîëåçíü" èëè "âûìûñåë", òî ÿ áû âûáðàë "áîëåçíü", õîòÿ ýòî è íå òî÷íî. |
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Äëÿ ó÷àñòíèêîâ äèñêóññèè, êîòîðûå êëåéìèëè äèñáàêòåðèîç, íà òîì îñíîâàíèè, ÷òî ïîíÿòèå dysbacteriosis íà çàïàäå íå èñïîëüçóåòñÿ. Ïðè÷åì èç ýòîãî ôàêòà ñëåäîâàëî, ÷òî åãî (íàðóøåíèÿ ìèêðîáèîöåíîçà ) íåò è íå ìîæåò áûòü â ïðèðîäå, à ñóùåñòâóåò ëèøü â óìàõ ñåðûõ, îòñòàëûõ ðîññèéñêèõ äîêòîðîâ è ìèêðîáèîëîãîâ, íàñòîëüêî æå íåîïðîâåðæèìî, êàê ÷òî 2õ2 íåðàâíî 5.
Óâàæàåìûå, âîçìîæíî ëè, ÷òî ïîñëå èñïîëüçîâàíèÿ ïðè ïîèñêå èñêîìûõ ñòàòåé çàïàäíûõ àâòîðîâ ðîäñòâåííîãî, õîòÿ è áîëåå øèðîêîãî ïîíÿòèÿ - dysbiosis, Âû ñòàíåòå ÷óòü ìåíåå êàòåãîðè÷íû? |
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Óâ. Gallen
"Äðóãîå äåëî êàê ýòî èçìåíåíèå äèàãíîñòèðîâàòü è ëå÷èòü (åñëè íóæíî) - ýòî òåìà èíîãî ðàçãîâîðà"
---------------------------------------------------------------- Ýòî íå òåìà èíîãî ðàçãîâîðà. Èìåííî îá ýòîì è ðå÷ü. |
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äëÿ ã.Çàéöåâà
Ýòî ïåðñîíàëüíî äëÿ Âàñ - ðåçóëüòàòû ïðåäëîæåííîãî âàìè ïîèñêà â Íàöèîíàëüíîé ìåä. áèáëèîòåêå ÑØÀ ([Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ]), âñåãî 70 ññûëîê. Ïåðâûå 20 ïðèâåäåíû íèæå.
Ïðî÷èòàéòå. 1. [Intestinal flora and Crohn's disease] Ann Pharm Fr. 2003 Jul;61(4):276-81. French. PMID: 12843962 [PubMed - in process] 2: Stenina MA, Voevodin DA, Stakhanov VD, Kisilevich ON, Rozanova GN. Related Articles, Links Tissue hypoxia and intestinal dysbiosis in children with tuberculosis. Bull Exp Biol Med. 2003 Feb;135(2):178-80. PMID: 12802429 [PubMed - in process] 3: Lukaczer D, Lerman RH. Related Articles, Links Allergens, dysbiosis and immune dysregulation: case studies on inflammatory bowel disease. Altern Ther Health Med. 2003 May-Jun;9(3):136, 130-4. No abstract available. PMID: 12776484 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] 4: Bukharin OV, Kuz'min MD, Ivanov IuB. Related Articles, Links [Correction of the microbiocoenosis of the male urogenital tract in the course of hormonal therapy] Zh Mikrobiol Epidemiol Immunobiol. 2000 Jul-Aug;(4 Suppl):88-92. Russian. PMID: 12712524 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] 5: Usviatsov BIa, Parshuta LI, Dolgov VA. Related Articles, Links [Microbial biocenosis in the mucous membranes of the nose and the middle ear in patients with purulent otitis] Zh Mikrobiol Epidemiol Immunobiol. 2000 Jul-Aug;(4 Suppl):85-8. Russian. PMID: 12712523 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] 6: Kidd PM. Related Articles, Links Autism, an extreme challenge to integrative medicine. Part 2: medical management. Altern Med Rev. 2002 Dec;7(6):472-99. Review. PMID: 12495373 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] 7: Kir'ianova VV, Gorbacheva KV. Related Articles, Links [Use of zinc sulfate and sodium thiosulfate electrophoresis in treating patients with intestinal dysbacteriosis] Vopr Kurortol Fizioter Lech Fiz Kult. 2002 May-Jun;(3):28-30. Russian. PMID: 12221842 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] 8: [No authors listed] Related Articles, Links Lactobacillus sporogenes. Altern Med Rev. 2002 Aug;7(4):340-2. Review. PMID: 12197786 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] 9: Kidd PM. Related Articles, Links Autism, an extreme challenge to integrative medicine. Part: 1: The knowledge base. Altern Med Rev. 2002 Aug;7(4):292-316. Review. PMID: 12197782 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] 10: Sozinov AS, Pozdeev OK, Lapshina GN, Shulaeva MP, Abdulkhakov SP, Kiiasov AP. Related Articles, Links [Intestinal microflora in rats under the conditions of a chronic toxic lesion of the liver] Zh Mikrobiol Epidemiol Immunobiol. 2002 May-Jun;(3):60-3. Russian. PMID: 12141042 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] 11: Lacour M, Zunder T, Huber R, Sander A, Daschner F, Frank U. Related Articles, Links The pathogenetic significance of intestinal Candida colonization--a systematic review from an interdisciplinary and environmental medical point of view. Int J Hyg Environ Health. 2002 May;205(4):257-68. Review. PMID: 12068745 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] 12: Gavrish TV. Related Articles, Links [Dysbioses of the oral cavity and intestines and immune reactivity in of adolescent bronchial asthma patients] Zh Mikrobiol Epidemiol Immunobiol. 2001 Nov-Dec;(6):74-7. Russian. PMID: 11881503 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] 13: Wu CT, Li ZL, Xiong DX. Related Articles, Links Relationship between enteric microecologic dysbiosis and bacterial translocation in acute necrotizing pancreatitis. World J Gastroenterol. 1998 Jun;4(3):242-245. PMID: 11819286 [PubMed - as supplied by publisher] 14: Kidd PM. Related Articles, Links Multiple sclerosis, an autoimmune inflammatory disease: prospects for its integrative management. Altern Med Rev. 2001 Dec;6(6):540-66. Review. PMID: 11804546 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] 15: Petukhov VA, Karalkin AV, Ibragimov TI, Petukhova NA, Briushkov AIu, Vashchenko NE. Related Articles, Links [Disturbance of liver functions and dysbiosis in patients with lipid distress syndrome and its treatment with lactulose preparation "Duphalac" (lactulose)] Ross Gastroenterol Zh. 2001;(2):92-102. Russian. PMID: 11681193 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] 16: Cordts PR, Kaminski MV, Raju S, Clark MR, Woo KM. Related Articles, Links Could gut-liver function derangements cause chronic venous insufficiency? Vasc Surg. 2001 Mar-Apr;35(2):107-14. PMID: 11668378 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] 17: Bukharin OV, Ivanov IuB, Kuz'min MD, Mikhailenko SV. Related Articles, Links [Characteristics of changes in microbiocenosis in patients with chronic nonspecific urethritis] Zh Mikrobiol Epidemiol Immunobiol. 2001 Jul-Aug;(4):86-9. Russian. PMID: 11569276 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] 18: Kamilova AT, Akhmedov NN, Pulatova DB, Nurmatov BA. Related Articles, Links [Intestinal microbiocenosis in children with intestinal enzymopathy] Zh Mikrobiol Epidemiol Immunobiol. 2001 May-Jun;(3):97-9. Russian. PMID: 11550576 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] 19: Morozova OA, Nesterova MV, Aleksandrov MT, Pashkov EP. Related Articles, Links [Human microflora in the norm and in pathology studied with laser fluorescence] Zh Mikrobiol Epidemiol Immunobiol. 2001 May-Jun;(3):57-60. Russian. PMID: 11550562 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] 20: Davydova TR, Karasenkov IaN, Khavkina EIu. Related Articles, Links [The problem of dysbiosis in practical dentistry] Stomatologiia (Mosk). 2001;80(2):23-4. Russian. No abstract available. PMID: 11534160 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] è ò.ä. |
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À îò êàêèõ áîëåçíåé â òàêîì ñëó÷àå ëå÷èò ýíòåðîë?
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 îôèöèàëüíîé íîòàöèè: Saccharomyces boulardii ïðèìåíÿþòñÿ äëÿ ëå÷åíèÿ ïîíîñîâ, ïðîôèë. èëè ëå÷åíèå àíòèáèîòèê-èíäóöèð. äèàðåè èëè äð. âèäîâ äèàðåé.
Äð. âåðîÿòíûå ïîêàçàíèÿ: Guslandi M, Giollo P, Testoni PA. A pilot trial of Saccharomyces boulardii in ulcerative colitis. Eur J Gastroenterol Hepatol. 2003 Jun;15(6):697-8. Cremonini F, Di Caro S, Covino M, Armuzzi A, Gabrielli M, Santarelli L, Nista EC, Cammarota G, Gasbarrini G, Gasbarrini A. Effect of different probiotic preparations on anti-helicobacter pylori therapy-related side effects: a parallel group, triple blind, placebo-controlled study. Am J Gastroenterol. 2002 Nov;97(11):2744-9. Surawicz CM, McFarland LV, Greenberg RN, Rubin M, Fekety R, Mulligan ME, Garcia RJ, Brandmarker S, Bowen K, Borjal D, Elmer GW. The search for a better treatment for recurrent Clostridium difficile disease: use of high-dose vancomycin combined with Saccharomyces boulardii. Clin Infect Dis. 2000 Oct;31(4):1012-7. Guslandi M, Mezzi G, Sorghi M, Testoni PA. Saccharomyces boulardii in maintenance treatment of Crohn's disease. Dig Dis Sci. 2000 Jul;45(7):1462-4. |
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Ãîñïîäà, ÷òî áû ãîâîðèòü î äèñáàêòåðèîçå è åãî ëå÷åíèè, ìíå êàæåòñÿ, íóæíî îòâåòèòü íà íåñêîëüêî âîïðîñîâ.
×òî òàêîå äèñáàêòåðèîç? Ýòî çàáîëåâàíèå, ýòî ñèìïòîì (ñèíäðîì) êàêîãî òî çàáîëåâàíèÿ, èëè ýòî ñîñòîÿíèå ñîïóòñòâóþùåå êàêîìó òî çàáîëåâàíèþ. Ñèìïòîìû äèñáàêòåðèîçà (ïîíîñ èëè çàïîð, âçäóòèå, ìàëàáñîðáöèÿ, ìàëäèãåñòèÿ è ò.ä.) – ýòî ñèìïòîìû âûçâàííûå ïàòîãåííîé ôëîðîé èëè íàðóøåíèå äåÿòåëüíîñòè êèøå÷íèêà (ïî êàêèì òî äðóãèì ïðè÷èíàì), ÿâëÿåòñÿ áëàãîïðèÿòíûì ôîíîì äëÿ ðàçìíîæåíèÿ ïàòîãåííîé ôëîðû? ×òî ïåðâè÷íî äèñáàêòåðèîç èëè äèñáàêòåðèîç, ýòî ñëåäñòâèå? Íå ôàêò, ÷òî àíòèáèîòèêè ïðè÷èíà äèñáàêòåðèîçà. Òî÷íî òàêæå ëå÷åíèå àíòèáèîòèêàìè è çàñåëåíèå êèøå÷íèêà “õîðîøåé” ôëîðîé íå ïðèâîäÿò ê èçëå÷åíèþ, òàê êàê ýòà ôëîðà â áîëüíîì êèøå÷íèêå íå óäåðæèâàåòñÿ. Åñëè ïîïûòàòüñÿ îòâåòèòü íà ýòè âîïðîñû, ìîæíî ïîíÿòü ñóòü ýòîé ïðîáëåìû è ñïîñîáû å¸ ðåøåíèÿ. |
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To dr. Vladlen!
Ñïàñèáî, êîíå÷íî, õîòÿ åñëè íå îãðàíè÷èâàòüñÿ Íàö. ìåä. áèáëèîòåêîé ÑØÀ, òàêèõ ññûëîê íàìíîãî áîëüøå. Òîëüêî äëÿ ÷åãî Âû ïðåäëàãàåòå ìíå èõ ïî÷èòàòü?  íèõ óòâåðæäàåòñÿ, ÷òî äèñáèîç (dysbiosis) ìèô è ñóùåñòâóåò òîëüêî óìàõ ðîññèéñêèõ äîêòîðîâ? ß âåäü, êàæåòñÿ, ïðåäëàãàë â ýòîé äèñêóññèè (24-07-2003 13:44) óâåñòè ðàññìîòðåíèå ýòîãî ïîíÿòèÿ ñ ïëîñêîñòè ãîëîñëîâíîãî îòðèöàíèÿ, íî êîïàòüñÿ, ðàçìûøëÿòü íàä îáñóæäàåìûìè âîïðîñàìè íå â òðàäèöèÿõ ýòîãî ôîðóìà. |
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Óâ. Vladlen.
Âàì, êàê àâòîðó ýòîé òåìû êîíå÷íî âèäíåå î ÷¸ì ðå÷ü, íî ÿ òàê ïîíÿë çàãîëîâîê: åñòü èëè íåò òàêîå ñîñòîÿíèå, êàê äèñáàêòåðèîç. Ïðîñòèòå, âîçìîæíî ÿ ñëèøêîì êîíêðåòèçèðóþ. Äåëî â òîì, ÷òî íå ñïåöèôèêà ìîåé ðàáîòû, íå âîçìîæíîñòè ìîåé ÖÐÁ íå ïîçâîëÿþò ìíå ãîâîðèòü î ñîñòàâå êèøå÷íîé ôëîðû ó ïàöèåíòîâ â êàêîì-ëèáî êîíòåêñòå - ò.å. î äèàãíîñòèêå. À î ëå÷åíèè ÿ âîáùå óìîë÷ó. ß âûñêàçàë ñâî¸ ïîíèìàíèå ýòîé òåìû. Íàâåðíî áîëüøå êàê ðîäèòåëü - ó ìîåé äî÷åðè áûëè "ïðîáëåìû ñî ñòóëîì" èìåííî òàêèå, êàê ÿ èõ îïèñàë. Íåïðèÿòíîå ñîñòîÿíèå. È ñèäåòü ñëîæà ðóêè, ìÿãêî ãîâîðÿ, íå ïðåäñòàâëÿëîñü ëîãè÷íûì. Ïîýòîìó è ïåðåñìîòð ìåíþ, è óæåñòî÷åíèå ñàí.ãèã îáñòàíîâêè, è êåôèð÷èêè (éîãóðòîâ òîãäà ïî÷òè íå áûëî), è "Ëàêòîáàêòåðèí-Áèôèäóìáàêòåðèí", ïðàâäà âñåãî ïî óïàêîâêå - $( , óãîë¸ê... Âñ¸ áûëî. ×åðåç ìåñÿ÷èøêó ïàìïåðñ áëàãîóõàë Äà, êñòàòè, ïîñåâ òîæå áûë, íî ÿ áóäó÷è óâåðåííûì ñòóäåíòîì ðåøèë, ÷òî ñàì ñìîãó ðàçîáðàòüñÿ - îáîøëèñü áåç ïåäèàòðà. Òåì áîëåå, ÷òî âðÿäëè áûëè áû îòëè÷èÿ. Íàâåðíîå ýòî íåëüçÿ íàçâàòü ëå÷åíèåì, íî ðåãóëÿöèåé - íåñîìíåííî. È âòîðîå. Äëèííûé ñïèñîê ëèò-ðû èç Íàö.ìåä.áèá. ÑØÀ - èìåëîñü ââèäó ïîäàâëÿþùåå áîëüøèíñòâî àâòîðîâ èç "ÑÍÃ"? |
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Äëÿ Gallen
Âîò îáðàùåíèÿ ðîäèòåëåé ñ ñàéòà 03.ru
×òî ïðîèñõîäèò â ýòèõ ñåìüÿõ èç-çà ýëåìåíòàðíîé íåîáðàçîâàííîñòè âðà÷åé, ê êîòîðûì îíè îáðàùàþòñÿ çà ïîìîùüþ? ------------------------------ Îëüãà 02 ñåíòÿáðü 2003 01:46:43 Çäðàâñòâóéòå, äîêòîð! Íàøåìó ñûíóëå 5 ìåñÿöåâ. Ñäàëè àíàëèç íà äèñáàêòåðèîç - ïðèñóòñòâóåò ãåìîëèçèðóþùàÿ êèøå÷íàÿ ïàëî÷êà 100% . Ïåäèàòð âûïèñàë êîëèïðîòåéíûé áàêòåðèîôàã ïî 10 ìë 2 ðàçà â äåíü - 5 äíåé , 3 äíÿ ïåðåðûâ - è ïî 15 ìë êëèçìî÷êó 1 ðàç â äåíü - 5 äíåé. Ñòàëè äàâàòü - ùåêè ñòàëè åùå êðàñíåå. Ïîñîâåòóéòå, ïîæàëóéñòà êàê íàì áûòü! ------------------------------ îëþíÿ 01 ñåíòÿáðü 2003 17:38:35 ó ìîåé øåñòèìåñÿ÷íîé ïëåìÿííèöû îáíàðóæèëè ñòàôèëîêîê. äâàæäû ïðîõîäèëè êóðñ ëå÷åíèÿ , íî ðåçóëüòàò íóëåâîé. Êðîìå òîãî ó ðåáåíêà íàðóøåíî ïèùåâàåðíèå. Ïîñîâåòóéòå ê êîìó îáðàòèòüñÿ äëÿ êîíñóëüòàöèè. Áîþñü, ÷òî ðîäèòåëè çàëå÷àò ðåáåíêà. Çàðàíåå ñïàñèáî. ------------------------------- Þëÿ 01 ñåíòÿáðü 2003 00:56:18 Äîêòîð, ïîìîãèòå ïîæàëóéñòà ðàçîáðàòüñÿ. Ðåáåíî÷êó òðè ìåñÿöà. Àíàíëèç íà äèñáàêòåðèîç: çîëîòèñòûé ñòàôèëîêîêê 65 íà 10 â 4- îé, ãåìîëèòè÷åñêèå 59, 7% . Âñå îñòàëüíîå - íîðìà. Ãàñòðîýíòåðîëîã íàçíà÷èëè Ëèíåêñ, íî â òîò ìîìåíò åãî íå áûëî íè â îäíîé àïòåêå ãîðîäà. Ïåäèàòð âçàìåí âûïèñàëà Áàêòèñóïòèë ïî îäíîé êàïñóëå òðè ðàçà â äåíü. ×åðåç äâà äíÿ ïî æèâîòèêó ó ìàëûøà ïîøëà îáèëüíàÿ òî÷å÷íàÿ ñûïü (ðåáåíîê èñêëþ÷èòåëüíî íà èñêóññòâåííîì âñêàðìëèâàíèè, êóøàåò òîëüêî ãèïîàëëåðãåííûé Õèïï è íèêàêîé ñûïè íèêîãäà íå áûëî). Âíîâü îáðàòèëèñü ê ãàñòðîýíòåðîëîãó. Îíà ñêàçàëà ïîäîæäàòü íåäåëþ (íåäåëÿ çàêîí÷èòñÿ â ñðåäó, 3- åãî ñåíòÿáðÿ) è íè÷åãî íå äàâàòü, à ïî èñòå÷åíèå ýòîãî ñðîêà íà÷àòü äàâàòü Áèîôëîð ïî îäíîé âòîðîé ÷àéíîé ëîæêè òðè ðàçà â äåíü çà ïîë÷àñà äî åäû â òå÷åíèå ìåñÿöà. À çàêîí÷èâ ñ Áèîôëîðîì ñðàçó ïåðåéòè íà ñòàôèëîêîêêîâûé áàêòåðèîôàã ïî 10 ìë. 2ð â äåíü ïèòü è ðàç â äåíü êëèçìó èç 20 ìèëèëèòðîâ òîãî æå áàêòåðèîôàãà è ïðèíèìàòü ñèå â òå÷åíèå äåñÿòè äíåé. Ïîæàëóéñòà, ïîäñêàæèòå: íåëüçÿ ëè êàêèì- òî îáðàçîì ñîâìåùàòü ïðèåì Áèîôëîðà è áàêòåðèîôàãà. È åùå. Äâà äíÿ íàçàä â àïòåêàõ îïÿòü ïîÿâèëñÿ Ëèíåêñ. Ìîæåò áûòü, óìåñòíåå äàâàòü ýòîò ïðåïàðàò. Èëè åñòü âåðîÿòíîñòü, ÷òî âûñûïëåò è íà íåãî( ÷åðåç äâà äíÿ ïîñëå ïðåêðàùåíèÿ ïðèåìà Áàêòèñóïòèëà ñûïü ïðîøëà ïîëíîñòüþ). Ëèíåêñ è Áàêòèñóïòèë ñõîæè ïî ñîñòàâó? È åñëè òàê, âñå- òàêè íà Áàêòèñóïòèëå íàïèñàíî: äåòÿì äî òðåõ ëåò ïðåïàðàò íå íàçíà÷àåòñÿ. À Ëèíåêñ, êàê óêàçàíî â èíñòðóêöèè, ìîæíî äàâàòü è ñ ñàìîãî íåæíîãî âîçðàñòà. Ñåãîäíÿ ðåáåíîê âåñü äåíü î÷åíü áåñïîêîåí, ïëà÷åò íå ïåðåñòàâàÿ, ñó÷èò íîæêàìè. Òàêîãî ó íàñ íå áûëî î÷åíü äàâíî. ß áåñïîêîþñü, ìîæåò ýòî åãî ýòîò çëîáíûé ñòàôèëîêîêê ìó÷àåò. Òàêîå âîçìîæíî? Ïîêàêàë äâàæäû (ñ ýòèì ó íàñ âîîáùå íåò ïðîáëåì ñ òåõ ïîð, êàê ïåðåøëè íà Õèïï ÃÀ, ïðàâäà êàêóëüêà çåëåíîâàòàÿ, íî ñëèçè ïðàêòè÷åñêè íåò). ------------------------------- Óâåðÿþ âàñ, íè îäèí èç ýòèõ ò.í. âðà÷åé íå ïîëó÷èë áû ëèöåíçèè íà ðàáîòó â ëþáîé ìàëî-ìàëüñêè óâàæàþùåé ñâîèõ ãðàæäàí ñòðàíå. |