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Ñòàðûé 24.08.2005, 11:59
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AlexGold ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexGold ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexGold ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexGold ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexGold ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexGold ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexGold ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexGold ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexGold ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexGold ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexGold ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Post Óâåëè÷èâàþò ëè äåòñêèå ïðèâèâêè ðèñê ðàçâèòèÿ àëëåðãè÷åñêèõ çàáîëåâàíèé?

Timing of routine immunisations and subsequent hay fever risk

S A Bremner, I M Carey, S DeWilde, N Richards, W C Maier, S R Hilton, D P Strachan, D G Cook

Arch Dis Child 2005;90:567–573

Background: Suggestions that immunisation influences allergic disease risk, either positively (pertussis) or negatively (BCG) are of concern for vaccination policy.

Aims: To determine whether DTP, MMR, and BCG vaccination in infancy influenced hay fever risk.

Methods: Case-control study of 7098 hay fever cases and controls, within two primary care databases. One control per case was matched for practice, age, and sex. Odds ratios (OR) were derived using conditional logistic regression.

Results: Compared to those completing in month 5 (base group) (39.3%), DTP unvaccinated children (4.3%) had a similar risk of hay fever (OR = 0.94, 95% CI 0.73 to 1.23). However, those completing after 12 months (4.2%) had a reduced risk (OR = 0.60, 95% CI 0.45 to 0.76) compared to the base group. Compared to those vaccinated in month 14 (base group) (29.5%), MMR unvaccinated children (2.3%) had an OR of 0.79 (95% CI 0.58 to 1.08). Completion of MMR after two years was associated with reduced hay fever risk (OR = 0.62, 95% CI 0.48 to 0.80) compared to the base group. The effects of late immunisation with DTP and MMR were independent. Those vaccinated with BCG by age 2 (2.4%) had an odds ratio of 1.28 (95% CI 0.96 to 1.70). Adjustment for consulting behaviour, social factors, or sibship size did not alter these associations.

Conclusions: Immunisation against DTP or MMR does not increase the risk of hay fever. The lower confidence limit for BCG vaccination contradicts the hypothesised protective effect. The reduced risk of hay fever among children immunised late may be explained by a third factor causing both postponement and reduced risk such as intercurrent febrile illnesses.

Authors’ affiliations:
S A Bremner, I M Carey, S DeWilde, S R Hilton, D P Strachan, D G Cook,
Department of Community Health Sciences, St George’s Hospital Medical School, London, UK
N Richards, CompuFile Limited, Send, Surrey, UK
W C Maier, Worldwide Epidemiology Group, GlaxoSmithKline, Greenford, Middlesex, UK

Funding: Wellcome Trust grant 065177/Z/01/Z

Competing interests: Nicky Richards is a director of CompuFile Ltd which markets DIN data to pharmaceutical companies.

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Ñòàðûé 21.11.2005, 21:38
sandro. sandro. âíå ôîðóìà Ïîë ìóæñêîé
Íà÷èíàþùèé ó÷àñòíèê
 
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sandro. ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò îòâðàòèòåëüíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
ÀÊÄÑ - ïðè÷èíà ïîëëèíîçà?

Ó ðîññèéñêèõ ó÷¸íûõ ñâî¸ ìíåíèå íà ýòîò ñ÷¸ò.
«Îáðàçîâàíèå àíòèòåë ê íåïðîòåêòèâíûì àíòèãåíàì âàêöèí. Êîðïóñêóëÿðíûå è ìíîãèå ðàñòâîðèìûå âàêöèíû ïðåäñòàâëÿþò ñîáîé íàáîð àíòèãåííûõ äåòåðìèíàíò, ÷èñëî êîòîðûõ â îäíîé âàêöèíå ìîæåò äîñòèãàòü íåñêîëüêèõ äåñÿòêîâ. Ëèøü íåáîëüøàÿ ÷àñòü ýòèõ äåòåðìèíàíò îáåñïå÷èâàåò ðàçâèòèå èíôåêöèîííîãî èììóíèòåòà. Îñòàëüíûå àíòèãåíû âûçûâàþò ïðîäóêöèþ àíòèòåë íå èãðàþùèõ ñóùåñòâåííîé ðîëè â ôîðìèðîâàíèè èììóíèòåòà. Òàêóþ áåñïîëåçíóþ ðàáîòó ïî ñèíòåçó àíòèòåë èììóííàÿ ñèñòåìà âûïîëíÿåò ïðè ââåäåíèè âàêöèí, ðàññ÷èòàííûõ ïðåèìóùåñòâåííî íà ñîçäàíèå êëåòî÷íîãî èììóíèòåòà. Íåëüçÿ èñêëþ÷èòü âîçìîæíîñòü, ÷òî âûñîêèé óðîâåíü òàêèõ àíòèòåë ñïîñîáåí âûçûâàòü íåæåëàòåëüíûå ÿâëåíèÿ, ñâÿçàííûå ñ îáðàçîâàíèåì èììóííûõ êîìïëåêñîâ. Âàêöèíû ñîäåðæàò ðàçíîîáðàçíûå àëëåðãåííûå ñóáñòàíöèè, îäíè èç íèõ âûçûâàþò ïðåèìóùåñòâåííî íåìåäëåííóþ àëëåðãèþ, äðóãèå — ïîâûøåííóþ ÷óâñòâèòåëüíîñòü çàìåäëåííîãî òèïà. Ïîâûøåííàÿ ÷óâñòâèòåëüíîñòü çàìåäëåííîãî òèïà, êàê ïðàâèëî, ñîïóòñòâóåò êëåòî÷íîìó èììóíèòåòó. Èíûå âçàèìîîòíîøåíèÿ ñêëàäûâàþòñÿ ìåæäó àíòèèíôåêöèîííûì èììóíèòåòîì è íåìåäëåííîé àëëåðãèåé. Ïîñëåäíÿÿ, ÷àùå âñåãî âûñòóïàåò â êà÷åñòâå íåáëàãîïðèÿòíîãî ôàêòîðà òå÷åíèÿ èíôåêöèîííîãî çàáîëåâàíèÿ. Ïîêàçàíî, ÷òî íå âñå äåòè ñ àëëåðãèåé ê ãåòåðîëîãè÷íîìó áåëêó (ÿè÷íîìó áåëêó, áû÷üåìó àëüáóìèíó, ñûâîðîòêå êðóïíîãî ðîãàòîãî ñêîòà è ïð.) äàþò àëëåðãè÷åñêèå ðåàêöèè íà âàêöèíó, ñîäåðæàùóþ ýòîò áåëîê, è ÷òî òàêèå äåòè ìîãóò áûòü âàêöèíèðîâàíû ýòèì ïðåïàðàòîì. Îòñþäà íå ñëåäóåò, ÷òî ââåäåíèå âàêöèíû, ñîäåðæàùåé ÷óæåðîäíûé áåëîê, íå ïðåäñòàâëÿåò îïàñíîñòè. Îïàñíîñòü çàêëþ÷àåòñÿ â òîì, ÷òî ââåäåíèå íåáîëüøîé äîçû ãåòåðîëîãè÷íîãî áåëêà ñîçäàåò ñåíñèáèëèçàöèþ, êîòîðàÿ ìîæåò ïðîÿâèòüñÿ âïîñëåäñòâèè ó ëèö, ïðåäðàñïîëîæåííûõ ê àëëåðãèè, ïðè ââåäåíèè áîëüøîé äîçû áåëêà èëè ïðèåìå åãî ñ ïèùåé. Ýòî æå îòíîñèòñÿ, õîòÿ è â ìåíüøåé ñòåïåíè, ê ìåðòèîëÿòó è àíòèáèîòèêàì, äîáàâëÿåìûì ê âàêöèíàì.
Íåêîòîðûå âàêöèíû ïîâûøàþò óðîâåíü ñûâîðîòî÷íîãî IgE, ÷òî ñîçäàåò âîçìîæíîñòü ïîÿâëåíèÿ íåìåäëåííîé àëëåðãèè ê íåðîäñòâåííûì àíòèãåíàì. Ïðèìåðîì âàêöèí, îáëàäàþùèõ òàêèìè ñâîéñòâàìè, ÿâëÿþòñÿ ÀÊÄÑ-âàêöèíà, îñîáåííî å¸ êîêëþøíûé êîìïîíåíò. ÀÊÄÑ-âàêöèíà ìîæåò ñïîñîáñòâîâàòü ïîÿâëåíèþ àëëåðãè÷åñêèõ ðåàêöèé íà òàêèå àëëåðãåíû, êàê ïûëüöà ðàñòåíèé, äîìàøíÿÿ ïûëü è ò. ï. Âàêöèíàöèÿ àëëåðãè÷åñêèõ äåòåé ÀÄÑ-Ì àíàòîêñèíîì, êàê ïðàâèëî, íå ñîïðîâîæäàåòñÿ ïîÿâëåíèåì êëèíè÷åñêèõ ïðèçíàêîâ àëëåðãèè, õîòÿ â íåêîòîðûõ ñëó÷àÿõ íàáëþäàåòñÿ ïîâûøåíèå óðîâíÿ îáùåãî IgE».
Í.Â. Ìåäóíèöèí. Âàêöèíîëîãèÿ. – Ì., «Òðèàäà-Õ», 1999. ISBN 5-8249-0008-6
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Rodionov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåRodionov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåRodionov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåRodionov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåRodionov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåRodionov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåRodionov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåRodionov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåRodionov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåRodionov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåRodionov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Ìäÿ... Óâàæàåìûé sandro, Âû íå â êóðñå, íà àíàëèçå êàêîé âûáîðêè Í.Â.Ìåäóíèöûí ïðèøåë ê âûâîäó, âûäåëåííîìó Âàìè æèðíûì øðèôòîì? Êàê áûëî ñïëàíèðîâàíî èññëåäîâàíèå?
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Ñòàðûé 22.11.2005, 13:33
Samoshkin Samoshkin âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Âåòåðàí ôîðóìà
      
 
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Samoshkin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåSamoshkin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåSamoshkin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåSamoshkin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåSamoshkin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåSamoshkin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåSamoshkin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåSamoshkin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåSamoshkin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåSamoshkin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåSamoshkin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
sandro!  ìåäèöèíå íåëüçÿ áûòü ãîñëîâíûì, åñëè ÷òî òî óòâåðæäàåòñÿ, òî ýòî äîëæíî áûòü äîêàçàíî èññëåäîâàíèÿìè, ïðè÷åì íå íà óðîâíå ñòóäåí÷åñêîãî íàó÷íîãî êðóæêà. Èç Âàøåãî ïîñòà ÿñíî îäíî, ÷òî "ìîæåò áûòü, ìîæåò ñïîñîáñòâîâàòü" - íå áîëåå ÷åì óìîçàêëþ÷åíèÿ.
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Ñòàðûé 23.11.2005, 02:53
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Íà÷èíàþùèé ó÷àñòíèê
 
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sandro. ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò îòâðàòèòåëüíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Íàñ÷¸ò ãîëîñëîâèÿ è ïëàíèðîâàíèÿ èññëåäîâàíèé - ê ìûøîâåäàì. Ýòî ó÷åáíèê, êñòàòè âûøëî âòîðîå èçäàíèå! Íà ÷òî îðèåíòèðîâàòüñÿ ïðàêòè÷åñêèì âðà÷àì, åñëè ïîä ñîìíåíèå ñòàâÿòñÿ àêàäåìè÷åñêèå çíàíèÿ?
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Ñòàðûé 23.11.2005, 04:52
Àâàòàð äëÿ bill
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Ñòàðûé 23.11.2005, 06:30
sandro. sandro. âíå ôîðóìà Ïîë ìóæñêîé
Íà÷èíàþùèé ó÷àñòíèê
 
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sandro. ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò îòâðàòèòåëüíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Íå âñ¸ íà àãëèöêîì - äîêàçàòåëüñòâî.

Conclusions: Immunisation against DTP or MMR does not increase the risk of hay fever. The lower confidence limit for BCG vaccination contradicts the hypothesised protective effect. The reduced risk of hay fever among children immunised late may be explained by a third factor causing both postponement and reduced risk such as intercurrent febrile illnesses.
Çàêëþ÷åíèÿ: Èììóíèçàöèÿ DTP èëè MMR íå óâåëè÷èâàåò ðèñê ñåííîé ëèõîðàäêè. Áîëåå íèçêèé äîâåðèòåëüíûé èíòåðâàë äëÿ BCG ïðîòèâîðå÷èò âåðîÿòíîìó çàùèòíîìó ýôôåêòó. Óìåíüøåíèå ðèñêà ðàçâèòèÿ ñåííîé ëèõîðàäêè ñðåäè áîëåå ïîçäíî èììóíèçèðîâàííûõ äåòåé ìîæíî îáúÿñíèòü òðåòüèì ôàêòîðîì, âûçûâàþùèì îòñðî÷êó è óìåíüøåíèå ðèñêà ñëó÷àéíûõ ëèõîðàäî÷íûõ áîëåçíåé.
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Ïðîñòî ñîáðàíèå ïåðëîâ îò «âåðîÿòíîãî çàùèòíîãî ýôôåêòà» äî «ñëó÷àéíûõ ëèõîðàäîê»!
Ìûøåâåäû íà èõ ôîíå ïðîñòî ãðàìîòåè! Ýòî ëåêàðñòâî äîêàçàëî ýôôåêòèâíîñòü äëÿ ïðîôèëàêòèêè áîëåçíåé, êîòîðûå åù¸ íå ðàçâèëèñü!
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Ñòàðûé 23.11.2005, 10:22
AlexGold AlexGold âíå ôîðóìà
Âåòåðàí ôîðóìà
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 09.12.2004
Ãîðîä: Ìîñêâà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 2,570
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 584 ðàç(à) çà 482 ñîîáùåíèé
AlexGold ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexGold ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexGold ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexGold ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexGold ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexGold ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexGold ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexGold ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexGold ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexGold ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexGold ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò sandro.
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Yes, your English is obviously not good.

Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò sandro.
Conclusions: Immunisation against DTP or MMR does not increase the risk of hay fever. The lower confidence limit for BCG vaccination contradicts the hypothesised protective effect. The reduced risk of hay fever among children immunised late may be explained by a third factor causing both postponement and reduced risk such as intercurrent febrile illnesses.
Çàêëþ÷åíèÿ: Èììóíèçàöèÿ DTP èëè MMR íå óâåëè÷èâàåò ðèñê ñåííîé ëèõîðàäêè. Áîëåå íèçêèé äîâåðèòåëüíûé èíòåðâàë äëÿ BCG ïðîòèâîðå÷èò âåðîÿòíîìó çàùèòíîìó ýôôåêòó. Óìåíüøåíèå ðèñêà ðàçâèòèÿ ñåííîé ëèõîðàäêè ñðåäè áîëåå ïîçäíî èììóíèçèðîâàííûõ äåòåé ìîæíî îáúÿñíèòü òðåòüèì ôàêòîðîì, âûçûâàþùèì îòñðî÷êó è óìåíüøåíèå ðèñêà ñëó÷àéíûõ ëèõîðàäî÷íûõ áîëåçíåé.
Çàêëþ÷åíèå: Âàêöèíàöèÿ ÀÊÄÑ èëè MMR íå óâåëè÷èâàåò ðèñê ðàçâèòèÿ ïîëëèíîçà. Çíà÷åíèå íèæíåé ãðàíèöû äîâåðèòåëüíîãî èíòåðâàëà ïðîòèâîðå÷èò ãèïîòåçå î çàùèòíîì ýôôåêòå ÁÖÆ [â îòíîøåíèè ðàçâèòèÿ ïîëëèíîçà - À.]. Ñíèæåíèå ðèñêà ðàçâèòèÿ ïîëëèíîçà ñðåäè äåòåé ïðèâèòûõ â áîëåå ïîçäíèå ñðîêè ìîæåò áûòü îáúÿñíåíî òðåòüèì ôàêòîðîì, êîòîðûé ïðèâîäèò êàê ê ïåðåíîñó ñðîêà ïðèâèâêè, òàê è ê ñíèæåíèþ ðèñêà ðàçâèòèÿ ïîëëèíîçà, òàêèì êàê, íàïðèìåð, îñòðûå çàáîëåâàíèÿ ñ òåìïåðàòóðîé.

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Ïðîñòî ñîáðàíèå ïåðëîâ îò «âåðîÿòíîãî çàùèòíîãî ýôôåêòà» äî «ñëó÷àéíûõ ëèõîðàäîê»! Ìûøåâåäû íà èõ ôîíå ïðîñòî ãðàìîòåè!
Íèêàêèõ "ïåðëîâ" òàì íåò. Äåëî íå â èõ ãðàìîòíîñòè, à â Âàøåé. Ïðîñòî ó Âàñ ïëîõî ñ àíãëèéñêèì.

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Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
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Ñòàðûé 23.11.2005, 10:40
AlexGold AlexGold âíå ôîðóìà
Âåòåðàí ôîðóìà
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 09.12.2004
Ãîðîä: Ìîñêâà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 2,570
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 584 ðàç(à) çà 482 ñîîáùåíèé
AlexGold ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexGold ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexGold ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexGold ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexGold ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexGold ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexGold ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexGold ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexGold ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexGold ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexGold ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Âîò åùå îäíî èññëåäîâàíèå íà ñõîäíóþ òåìó. Ïîëíûé òåêñò ñòàòüè äîñòóïåí áåñïëàòíî ïî àäðåñó: [Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ]

Transient Suppression of Atopy in Early Childhood Is Associated With High Vaccination Coverage

Pediatrics 2003;111:e282-e288

Christoph Gruber, MD*; Sabina Illi, MPH‡; Susanne Lau, MD, PhD*; Renate Nickel, MD*; Johannes Forster, MD, PhD§; Wolfgang Kamin, MD II; Carl-Peter Bauer, MD, PhD¶; Volker Wahn, MD, PhD#; and Ulrich Wahn, MD, PhD*; and the MAS-90 Study Group

ABSTRACT. Objective. To analyze prevalences of allergic sensitization and atopic disease in relation to vaccination coverage.

Methods. A German atopy risk-enhanced birth cohort of 1314 neonates who were born in 1990 in 5 German cities was studied. A total of 943 children participated in the follow-up visit at 5 years of age. Atopic symptoms and diagnoses (derived from structured interviews), total serum immunoglobulin E, and specific immunoglobulin E against 9 common allergens (CAP Radio-Allergo-Sorbent Test Fluoro-Enzyme Immunoassay) were evaluated. Children were grouped into dose percentiles according to cumulative doses of any vaccine given up to 5 years of age (<10%, 0–11 doses; 10%–50%, 12–14 doses; 51%–90%, 15–20 doses; >90%, 21–27 doses).

Results. The cumulative vaccine dose was inversely related to atopic dermatitis prevalences at 6 months (13.8%, 5.2%, 5.1%, and 4.5%), 2 years (16.9%, 10.9%, 7.4%, and 3.7%), 3 years (27.6%, 16.4%, 13.5%, and 4.5%), and 5 years (28.3%, 16.0%, 9.3%, and 11.9%). Asthma followed a similar pattern at age 3 (22.4%, 8.6%, 6.7%, and 6.3%), age 4 (20.0%, 8.6%, 8.9%, and 8.1%), and age 5 (20.8%, 12.6%, 10.3%, and 5.5%). Allergic sensitization rates were inversely related to the cumulative vaccine dose at age 2 (37.5%, 29.1%, 23.8%, and 12.9%).

Conclusion. Children with a higher vaccination coverage seemed to be transiently better protected against development of atopy in the first years of life.

From the *Department of Pediatric Pneumology and Immunology, Charite-Humboldt University, Berlin, Germany; ‡Department of Pulmonology and Allergology, Ludwig Maximilians University, Munich, Germany; §St. Hedwig Hospital, Freiburg/Breisgau, Germany; II Department of Pediatric Pneumology, Johannes Gutenberg University, Mainz, Germany; ¶University Children’s Hospital, Technical University, Munich, Germany; and #Klinikum Uckermark, Schwedt/Oder, Germany.

Reprint requests to (C.G.) Department of Pediatric Pneumology and Immunology, Charite-Humboldt University, Augustenburger Platz 1, D-13353 Berlin, Germany. E-mail: [Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ]
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Ñòàðûé 23.11.2005, 17:18
sandro. sandro. âíå ôîðóìà Ïîë ìóæñêîé
Íà÷èíàþùèé ó÷àñòíèê
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 20.11.2005
Ãîðîä: Ñèáèðü
Ñîîáùåíèé: 15
sandro. ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò îòâðàòèòåëüíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Óâàæàåìûé AlexGold! Áîëüøîå ñïàñèáî çà èíòåðåñíûå ññûëêè! Íàäåþñü íà äèñêóññèþ, à íå íà ôëóä âàêöèíàòîðîâ è àíòèâàêöèíàòîðîâ. Âàø àíãëèéñêèé, ïðàâäà, íàâåðíîå ëó÷øå ìîåãî, íî ÿ ïðîø¸ëñÿ äàëüøå ïî ññûëêàì, åù¸ ðàç ñïàñèáî, è ó ìåíÿ ñëîæèëîñü ìíåíèå, ÷òî âàêöèíàöèÿ, êàê è ñïåöèôè÷åñêàÿ ãèïîñåíñèáèëèçàöèÿ ñïîñîáñòâóåò óìåíüøåíèþ JgÅ - çàâèñèìûõ ðåàêöèé è òðàíñôîðìàöèè èììóííîãî îòâåòà â ñòîðîíó M è G çàâèñèìûõ ðåàêöèé, ÷òî êëèíè÷åñêè ïðîÿâëÿåòñÿ óìåíüøåíèåì ïðîÿâëåíèé ìåñòíûõ àëëåðãè÷åñêèõ ðåàêöèé è ôîðìèðîâàíèåì àóòîèììóííîé ïàòîëîãèè. Ýòî ïîêà ãîëîñëîâíîå çàÿâëåíèå, ìíå òðåáóåòñÿ âðåìÿ äëÿ ïåðåâîäà ýòèõ ñòàòåé è àðãóìåíòàöèè.
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Ñòàðûé 24.11.2005, 01:31
dr.Ira dr.Ira âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Âåòåðàí ôîðóìà
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 13.03.2005
Ãîðîä: Èçðàèëü
Ñîîáùåíèé: 9,362
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 1,803 ðàç(à) çà 1,491 ñîîáùåíèé
dr.Ira ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådr.Ira ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådr.Ira ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådr.Ira ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådr.Ira ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådr.Ira ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådr.Ira ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådr.Ira ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådr.Ira ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådr.Ira ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådr.Ira ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò sandro.
Íàñ÷¸ò ãîëîñëîâèÿ è ïëàíèðîâàíèÿ èññëåäîâàíèé - ê ìûøîâåäàì. Ýòî ó÷åáíèê, êñòàòè âûøëî âòîðîå èçäàíèå! Íà ÷òî îðèåíòèðîâàòüñÿ ïðàêòè÷åñêèì âðà÷àì, åñëè ïîä ñîìíåíèå ñòàâÿòñÿ àêàäåìè÷åñêèå çíàíèÿ?
À ÿ (åùå â ìåäó÷èëèùå) ó÷èëàñü ïî ó÷åáíèêó, â êîòîðîì áûëî íàïèñàíî, ÷òî ãåíåòèêà - ïðîäàæíàÿ äåâêà èìïåðèàëèçìà. À ó÷åáíèê ýòîò áûë ÏÅÐÅÈÇÄÀÍ (âèäèìî, êàê î÷åíü õîðîøèé ) â 1975ã. Íà ÷òî, äåéñòâèòåëüíî, îðèåíòèðîâàòüñÿ ïðàêòè÷åñêèì âðà÷àì??? (ñî çëîé èðîíèåé).
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Ñòàðûé 24.11.2005, 09:40
AlexGold AlexGold âíå ôîðóìà
Âåòåðàí ôîðóìà
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 09.12.2004
Ãîðîä: Ìîñêâà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 2,570
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 584 ðàç(à) çà 482 ñîîáùåíèé
AlexGold ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexGold ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexGold ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexGold ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexGold ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexGold ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexGold ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexGold ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexGold ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexGold ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexGold ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò sandro.
ó ìåíÿ ñëîæèëîñü ìíåíèå, ÷òî âàêöèíàöèÿ [...]ñïîñîáñòâóåò óìåíüøåíèþ JgÅ - çàâèñèìûõ ðåàêöèé è òðàíñôîðìàöèè èììóííîãî îòâåòà â ñòîðîíó M è G çàâèñèìûõ ðåàêöèé, ÷òî êëèíè÷åñêè ïðîÿâëÿåòñÿ óìåíüøåíèåì ïðîÿâëåíèé ìåñòíûõ àëëåðãè÷åñêèõ ðåàêöèé è ôîðìèðîâàíèåì àóòîèììóííîé ïàòîëîãèè. Ýòî ïîêà ãîëîñëîâíîå çàÿâëåíèå, ìíå òðåáóåòñÿ âðåìÿ äëÿ ïåðåâîäà ýòèõ ñòàòåé è àðãóìåíòàöèè.
Óâàæåìûé sandro.! Íå îáèæàéòåñü, íî ïðèçíÀþñü, ÷òî ìåíÿ íå î÷åíü èíòåðåñóåò Âàøå ìíåíèå è âûäâèãàåìûå Âàìè ãèïîòåçû íàñ÷åò âçàèìîñâÿçè ïðèâèâîê è ðàçâèòèÿ àóòîèììóííûõ çàáîëåâàíèÿ, ïîñêîëüêó, íàñêîëüêî ÿ ïîíèìàþ, Âû íå ÿâëÿåòåñü êðóïíûì ñïåöèàëèñòîì ìèðîâîãî óðîâíÿ â îáëàñòè èììóíîëîãèè.  îñíîâíîì ìåíÿ èíòåðåñóþò ôàêòû. Åñëè Âû ïðîâåäåòå ýïèäåìèîëîãè÷åñêîå èññëåäîâàíèå, ïîñâÿùåííîå âûÿñíåíèþ âîïðîñà î òîì, âëèÿþò ëè ïðèâèâêè íà ðèñê ðàçâèòèÿ àóòîèììóííûõ çàáîëåâàíèé, òî ÿ ñ áîëüøèì èíòåðåñîì îçíàêîìëþñü ñ åãî ðåçóëüòàòàìè.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
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Ñòàðûé 24.11.2005, 10:57
sandro. sandro. âíå ôîðóìà Ïîë ìóæñêîé
Íà÷èíàþùèé ó÷àñòíèê
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 20.11.2005
Ãîðîä: Ñèáèðü
Ñîîáùåíèé: 15
sandro. ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò îòâðàòèòåëüíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Óâàæàåìûé Àëåêñàíäð! Ñïàñèáî çà âðàçóìèòåëüíûé îòâåò. Òåïåðü ÿñíû íàì¸êè äåæóðíûõ ïñèõèàòðîâ è ÿñíî èõ ïîñòîÿííîå ïðèñóòñòâèå. ß òîæå íå âèæó ñâåòèë ñ ìèðîâûì èìåíåì. Òåàòð îäíîãî àêòåðà - íå äèñêóññèîííûé êëóá! Òåìà çàêðûòà, ïîãðóæàþñü â ñàìàòè.
Óâàæàåìàÿ Èðà! Íàçíà÷àþ Âàì ñâèäàíèå. Ìîæíî ïîãîâîðèòü ó Âàñ â òîïèêå? Òåìà òî àêòóàëüíàÿ. Íåäàâíî ïðî÷èòàë, ÷òî âàêöèíû íå òîëüêî àëëåðãèþ ïðîôèëàêòèðóþò, íî è ñòàð÷åñêîå ñëàáîóìèå, ìíå äî ïåíñèè íåäàëåêî!
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #14  
Ñòàðûé 24.11.2005, 13:04
dr.Ira dr.Ira âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Âåòåðàí ôîðóìà
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 13.03.2005
Ãîðîä: Èçðàèëü
Ñîîáùåíèé: 9,362
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 1,803 ðàç(à) çà 1,491 ñîîáùåíèé
dr.Ira ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådr.Ira ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådr.Ira ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådr.Ira ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådr.Ira ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådr.Ira ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådr.Ira ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådr.Ira ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådr.Ira ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådr.Ira ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådr.Ira ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò sandro.
.
Óâàæàåìàÿ Èðà! Íàçíà÷àþ Âàì ñâèäàíèå. Ìîæíî ïîãîâîðèòü ó Âàñ â òîïèêå? Òåìà òî àêòóàëüíàÿ.
Ïðèåçæàéòå , ÿ Âàì ñòðàíó ïîêàæó... À ïðî ïðèâèâêè...Íàéäèòå ïî ïîèñêîâèêó. Òàì óæå ñòîëüêî ïåðåãîâîðåíî...
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #15  
Ñòàðûé 25.11.2005, 10:56
AlexGold AlexGold âíå ôîðóìà
Âåòåðàí ôîðóìà
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 09.12.2004
Ãîðîä: Ìîñêâà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 2,570
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 584 ðàç(à) çà 482 ñîîáùåíèé
AlexGold ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexGold ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexGold ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexGold ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexGold ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexGold ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexGold ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexGold ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexGold ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexGold ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexGold ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò sandro.
ß òîæå íå âèæó ñâåòèë ñ ìèðîâûì èìåíåì. Òåàòð îäíîãî àêòåðà - íå äèñêóññèîííûé êëóá!
Óâàæàåìûé sandro., èìåííî ïîòîìó, ÷òî îáùàþòñÿ íå ñâåòèëà ñ ìèðîâûì èìåíåì, äèñêóññèÿ äîëæíà áàçèðîâàòüñÿ íà ôàêòàõ, óñòàíîâëåííûõ â õîäå òåõ èëè èíûõ èññëåäîâàíèé, à íå íà ãèïîòåçàõ. Âî âñÿêîì ñëó÷àå, ëè÷íî ìíå äèñêóññèÿ íà óðîâíå ãèïîòåç íåèíòåðåñíà. Ãèïîòåç ìîæíî íàïðèäóìûâàòü ñêîëüêî óãîäíî.
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