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Îïöèè òåìû Ïîèñê â ýòîé òåìå Îïöèè ïðîñìîòðà
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Ñòàðûé 30.01.2024, 16:44
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Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 21.05.2022
Ãîðîä: Ìîñêâà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 15
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 6
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Âûñîêèå öèôðû íà ãëþêîìåòðå.

Äîáðûé äåíü. Ìóæ÷èíà, 30 ëåò, 177 ñì, 63 êã. Ëåêàðñòâ íå ïðèíèìàþ.

 ñâÿçè ñî ñòðàííûì ñàìî÷óâñòâèåì ïîñëå óãëåâîäèñòîé ïèùè (ñåðäöåáèåíèå, íåêàÿ ñïóòàííîñòü ñîçíàíèÿ è âîçáóäèìîñòü) ðåøèë èçìåðèòü ñàõàð â êðîâè äîìàøíèì ãëþêîìåòðîì Accu-Chek Instant. Ðåçóëüòàòû:

Ñïóñòÿ ÷àñ ïîñëå åäû, 100-150ã êðåêåðîâ (÷óâñòâîâàë ñåáÿ íåõîðîøî, õîòÿ íà÷àëîñü ðàíüøå):
9.2 ììîëü/ë
Ñïóñòÿ 2 ÷àñà ïîñëå åäû:
7.7 ììîëü/ë

Ïðè ýòîì, ëàáîðàòîðíûé àíàëèç ãëþêîçû íàòîùàê îò 14.12.2023:
4.9 ììîëü/ë (3.89-5.83)

Î÷åíü ïóãàþò öèôðû ñ ãëþêîìåòðà, íèêîãäà ñàõàð íå áûë ïîâûøåí. Ïîæàëóéñòà, ïîäñêàæèòå äàëüíåéøèé ïëàí äåéñòâèé. Ñäàâàòü ãëèêèðîâàííûé ãåìîãëîáèí?
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
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Ñòàðûé 30.01.2024, 16:59
Àâàòàð äëÿ Melnichenko
Melnichenko Melnichenko âíå ôîðóìà
ÂÐÀ×
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 26.07.2001
Ãîðîä: Ìîñêâà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 117,405
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 26
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 33,668 ðàç(à) çà 32,742 ñîîáùåíèé
Melnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Èññëåäîâàíèå ãëþêîçû íà ïèêå ïèùåâàðåíèÿ äîìàøíèì ãëþêîìåòðîì è äàæå íàòîùàê îíûì áåññìûñëåííî äëÿ äèàãíîñòèêè äèàáåòà.
Êàêàÿ öèôèðü îæèäàëàñü Âàìè âî âðåìÿ íàó÷íûõ èññëåäîâàíèé ?
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Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
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Ñòàðûé 30.01.2024, 17:05
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Íà÷èíàþùèé ó÷àñòíèê
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 21.05.2022
Ãîðîä: Ìîñêâà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 15
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 6
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Îæèäàòü ÿ íè÷åãî íå îæèäàë, íî íàäåÿëñÿ, ÷òî ïîíèæå, à íå òî÷ü-â-òî÷ü ïî âåðõíåé ãðàíèöå.

Ïîäñêàæèòå, ïîæàëóéñòà, ÷òî íåîáõîäèìî ñäàòü äëÿ äîîáñëåäîâàíèÿ, ðàç ãëþêîìåòð áåñïîëåçåí.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
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Ñòàðûé 30.01.2024, 17:05
Àâàòàð äëÿ Melnichenko
Melnichenko Melnichenko âíå ôîðóìà
ÂÐÀ×
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 26.07.2001
Ãîðîä: Ìîñêâà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 117,405
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 26
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 33,668 ðàç(à) çà 32,742 ñîîáùåíèé
Melnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Î êàêîé íîðìå Âû ãîâîðèòå?
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Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
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Ñòàðûé 30.01.2024, 17:08
neruib neruib âíå ôîðóìà Ïîë ìóæñêîé
Íà÷èíàþùèé ó÷àñòíèê
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 21.05.2022
Ãîðîä: Ìîñêâà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 15
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 6
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In people with normal glucose tolerance, plasma glucose generally rises no higher than 7.8 mmol/l (140 mg/dl) (which reflects the World Health Organization definition) [9]. For this guideline, postmeal hyperglycemia is defined as a plasma glucose level > 7.8 mmol/l (140 mg/dl) 2 h after the ingestion of food.

Î âîò ýòîé.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
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Ñòàðûé 30.01.2024, 17:57
Àâàòàð äëÿ Melnichenko
Melnichenko Melnichenko âíå ôîðóìà
ÂÐÀ×
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 26.07.2001
Ãîðîä: Ìîñêâà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 117,405
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 26
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 33,668 ðàç(à) çà 32,742 ñîîáùåíèé
Melnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Òî åñòü Âû ïðî÷ëè îá îöåíèâàåìîé âåíîçíîé ïëàçìåííîé ãëþêîçå ëàáîðàòîðíûìè ìåòîäàìè è ðåøèëè, ÷òî ýòî î êàïèëëÿðíîé ãëþêîçå ïî äîìàøíåìó ãëþêîìåòðó ?
Ïî÷åìó áû òîãäà íå èçìåðÿòü òåìïåðàòóðó òåëà óëè÷íûì ãðàäóñíèêîì èëè ãðàäóñíèêîì èç áàññåéíà ?
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Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
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Ñòàðûé 30.01.2024, 18:18
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Íà÷èíàþùèé ó÷àñòíèê
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 21.05.2022
Ãîðîä: Ìîñêâà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 15
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 6
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Áîëåå êîððåêòíîé àíàëîãèåé â Âàøåì ïðèìåðå ëè÷íî ÿ ïîñ÷èòàë áû ðòóòíûé è ýëåêòðîííûé ãðàäóñíèêè: äâà ïðèáîðà äëÿ èçìåðåíèÿ îäíîãî ïîêàçàòåëÿ, íî îäèí äàåò ïîãðåøíîñòü, õîòü è âïîëíå ïðèìåíÿåòñÿ äëÿ èçìåðåíèÿ òåìïåðàòóðû.

Ýòî íåâàæíî, âïðî÷åì. Ñêàæèòå, ïîæàëóéñòà, òî åñòü ÷åëîâåêó, êîòîðûé ïîëó÷èë íà ãëþêîìåòðå òàêèå öèôðû, ìîæíî ïðîñòî ýòî ïðîèãíîðèðîâàòü, ïîæàòü ïëå÷àìè è "çàáèòü"? Èëè âñå æå ëàáîðàòîðíî äîîáñëåäîâàòüñÿ, ÷òîáû ïîëó÷èòü ÷åòêèå âûâîäû?
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
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Ñòàðûé 30.01.2024, 18:46
Àâàòàð äëÿ Melnichenko
Melnichenko Melnichenko âíå ôîðóìà
ÂÐÀ×
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 26.07.2001
Ãîðîä: Ìîñêâà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 117,405
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 26
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 33,668 ðàç(à) çà 32,742 ñîîáùåíèé
Melnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Çàáèòü- ñðàâíåíèå íåóìåñòíî. Ýòî ïðèáîðû ðàçíîãî íàçíà÷åíèÿ - äîìàøíèé ãëþêîìåòð íå èñïîëüçóþò äëÿ äèàãíîñòèêè, îøèáêà èçìåðåíèÿ íåïðèåìëåìà ïðè äèàãíîñòè÷åñêîì ïîèñêå. Òí « ïðàíäèàëüíûé» ñèíäðîì íå ñèìïòîì äèàáåòà.
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Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #9  
Ñòàðûé 30.01.2024, 19:23
ELENA_VLAD ELENA_VLAD âíå ôîðóìà
ÂÐÀ×
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 24.07.2008
Ãîðîä: Êðàñíîÿðñê
Ñîîáùåíèé: 6,990
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 278
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 2,147 ðàç(à) çà 2,072 ñîîáùåíèé
ELENA_VLAD ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåELENA_VLAD ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåELENA_VLAD ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåELENA_VLAD ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåELENA_VLAD ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåELENA_VLAD ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåELENA_VLAD ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåELENA_VLAD ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåELENA_VLAD ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåELENA_VLAD ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåELENA_VLAD ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Äëÿ óâåðåííîñòè èññëåäóéòå óðîâåíü ãëèêèðîâàííîãî ãåìîãëîáèíà .
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
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Ñòàðûé 01.02.2024, 18:03
neruib neruib âíå ôîðóìà Ïîë ìóæñêîé
Íà÷èíàþùèé ó÷àñòíèê
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 21.05.2022
Ãîðîä: Ìîñêâà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 15
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 6
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Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò ELENA_VLAD Ïîñìîòðåòü ñîîáùåíèå
Äëÿ óâåðåííîñòè èññëåäóéòå óðîâåíü ãëèêèðîâàííîãî ãåìîãëîáèíà .
Ñïàñèáî! Ïðîâåðèë ãëèêèðîâàííûé, ðåçóëüòàò 4.9%. Ïîíèìàþ, ÷òî íîðìà è ìîæíî íà ýòîì çàêîí÷èòü, íî âñå-òàêè ðàç óæ ñëîâèë âûñîêîâàòûå öèôðû íà ãëþêîìåòðå, íå áóäåò ëè ëèøíèì çàîäíî ñäàòü êðîâü â ëàáîðàòîðèè ÷åðåç 2 ÷ ïîñëå óãëåâîäèñòîé åäû, ïðîâåðèòü êàê îíî íà ñàìîì äåëå? Èëè ãëþêîçîòîëåðàíòíûé òåñò.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
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Ñòàðûé 01.02.2024, 18:08
Àâàòàð äëÿ Melnichenko
Melnichenko Melnichenko âíå ôîðóìà
ÂÐÀ×
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 26.07.2001
Ãîðîä: Ìîñêâà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 117,405
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