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Ñòàðûé 23.02.2002, 10:13
V.Dvorianchikov V.Dvorianchikov âíå ôîðóìà Ïîë ìóæñêîé
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V.Dvorianchikov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïëîõóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Íî, êàê ñëåäóåò èç ýêñïåðèìåíòîâ ñ êîìïëåêñîíàìè, íà àêòèâíîñòü ñïåðìàòîçîèäîâ âëèÿåò âíóòðèêëåòî÷íûé öèíê, à íå öèíê èç ñîêà ïðîñòàòû. Ñòàëî áûòü, ñ àêòèâíîñòüþ ñïåðìèåâ äîëæåí áûòü ñâÿçàí öèíê êàíàëüöåâ, à íå ïðîñòàòû.
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Ñòàðûé 24.03.2006, 18:53
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Óâ. Ãîñïîäà, ñ áîëøèì âíèìàíèåì ñëåäèëà çà âàøåé äèññêóñèåé, è ðåøèëàñü çàäàòü âàì ìîé, âîçìîæíî ãëóïûé, íî íàáîëåâøèé âîïðîñ. Ó ìîåãî ìóæà 2 ãîäà íàçàä ñëó÷èëàñü 2 èíñóëüòà, ñëåäñòâèÿ îêàçàëèñü íåïðåäñêàçóåìûå; òåñòîñòåðîí ïîíèçèëñÿ äî 1,77ng/ml, òàêæå áûë ïîñòàâëåò äèàãíîç ÎÀÒ-ñèíäðîì, ïðîáëåìû ñ ïîòåíöèåé. ß áû ïðåäîñòâèëà âàì àíàëèç ñïåðìîãðàììû, íî îíà íà íåìåöêîì ÿçûêå (ÿ ïðîæèâàþ â Ãåðìàíèè), à ïåðåâîä ìåäèöèíñêèõ òåðìåíîâ íå áëàãîäàðíîå äåëî. Çà ïîñëåäíèé ãîä áûëî ñäåëàíà 3 ïîïûòêè èñêóñòâåííîãî îïëîäîòâîðåíèÿ, íî óâû..., íåäàâíî, êòî-òî èç çíàêîìûõ ,ïîñîâåòîâàë ïåðóàíñêóþ ìàêó, ÷òî âû ñêàæèòå îá ýòîì, è åñòü-ëè ãàðàíòèÿ, ÷òî ìîé ìóæ âîîáùå âîñòàíîâèòñÿ êàê ìóæ÷èíà?
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Ñòàðûé 23.02.2002, 18:57
Regina Regina âíå ôîðóìà
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Äîáðûé äåíü, óâ. ä-ð Æèâîâ

,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Ãëàâíîå æå, ÷òî ìíå íåèçâåñòíû ðåàëüíûå ïóòè âîñïîëíåíèÿ êîíöåíòðàöèè öèíêà â ïðîñòàòå.,,,,,,,,,,

Ïðîñòàòà êðîâîñíàáæàåòñÿ, ïîýòîìó âïîëíå ëîãè÷íî äóìàòü, ÷òî öèíê ïîñòóïàåò òóäà èç êðîâåíîñíîãî ðóñëà...

,,,,,,,,,,,,,, "ß íå âèäåë ñêîëü ëèáî ñåðüåçíûõ ðàáîò, äîêàçûâàþùèõ, ÷òî îðîòàò öèíêà, àñïàðòàò öèíêà, ãèñòèäèíàò öèíêà ïðè èõ ïðèåìå âíóòðü äàþò ïîâûøåíèå êëíöåíòðàöèè ýòîãî ìèêðîýëåìåíòà â ïðåäñòàòåëüíîé æåëåçå",,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,.
Âîçìîæíî, åñëè êàê ñëåäóåò ïîèñêàòü, íàéäåòñÿ ðàáîòà, ãäå èìåííî òàêàÿ ôðàçà ñòîèò... ß áûñòðåíüêî ïîèñêàëà è íàøëà òàêèå öèòàòû, êîòîðûå ñâèäåòåëüñòâóþò î ðîëè öèíêà â ðàññìàòðèâàåìîé ïðîáëåìå:


Î ËÅ×ÅÍÈÈ ÀÑÒÅÍÎÇÎÎÑÏÅÐÌÈÈ ÑÓËÜÔÀÒÎÌ ÖÈÍÊÀ (ñ òàêîãî ïàöèåíòà è íà÷àëàñü âñÿ ýòà äèñêóññèÿ) :
Treatment of asthenozoospermia with zinc sulphate: andrological, immunological and obstetric outcome.
Eur J Obstet Gynecol Reprod Biol 1998 Aug;79(2):179-84 (ISSN: 0301-2115)
Omu AE; Dashti H; Al-Othman S
Department of Obstetrics and Gynaecology, Kuwait University, Safat.
OBJECTIVES: The role of zinc therapy on infertility caused by defective sperm quality is examined. STUDY DESIGN: In this study, 100 men with asthenozoospermia were randomised into two groups--250 mg twice daily zinc therapy for 3 months and no therapy. The patients were followed up for another 6 months. Sperm parameters, circulating antisperm antibodies, sex hormones and T helper cytokines were evaluated before and after treatment for the two groups. RESULTS: There was significant improvement in the sperm quality; sperm count (P<.02), progressive motility (P<.05), fertilising capacity (P<.01) and a reduction in the incidence of antisperm antibodies (P<.01). Zinc/cadmium was higher in the zinc therapy group (P<.02). T helper cytokine, interleukin-4 level was significantly higher after zinc therapy (P<.02) while TNFalpha showed a significant decrease (P<.05). CONCLUSIONS: Zinc therapy has a role in improving sperm parameters in men with asthenozoospermia, probably through its membrane stabilising effect as an antioxidant and its effect on cellular and humoral immunity by reducing the levels of antisperm antibodies and TNFalpha and increasing that of IL-4.

Î ÐÎËÈ ÖÈÍÊÀ Â ÇÀÙÈÒÅ ÎÒ ÐÀÊÀ ÏÐÎÑÒÀÒÛ :
Zinc and cadmium analysis in human prostate neoplasms.
Biol Trace Elem Res 1997 Winter;59(1-3):145-52 (ISSN: 0163-4984)
Brys M; Nawrocka AD; Miekos E; Zydek C; Foksinski M; Barecki A; Krajewska WM
Department of Cytobiochemistry, University of Lodz, Poland.
The objective of this study was to test the hypothesis that prostatic cancer is associated with the changes of zinc (Zn) and cadmium (Cd) concentration. Normal prostate, benign prostatic hyperplasia (BPH), and prostatic carcinoma (PCA) were analyzed for Zn and Cd by atomic absorption spectrometry. Cd level was measured using a graphite furnace and Zn level was measured by flame mode. Metal content was assessed in whole tissues and in nuclear, plasma membrane, and cytosolic fractions. An increase of Zn content in BPH, but a decrease in PCA as compared to normal tissue, was observed. Cd concentration appeared to be higher in BPH and PCA than in normal tissue. No correlation between Zn and Cd level was found in BPH specimens obtained from the same patients. Probability values of p < or = 0.05 were considered to indicate significant differences. Obtained results seem to support the hypothesis of Cd carcinogenicity and preventing function of Zn in prostatic cancer. Plasma membrane fraction corresponding to lysosomal, mitochondrial, and microsomal subcellular compartments are probably critical in Zn and Cd participation in human prostate neoplasms.

Î ÏÎÇÈÒÈÂÍÎÌ ÄÅÉÑÒÂÈÈ ÖÈÍÊÀ ÍÀ ÑÏÅÐÌÀÒÎÃÅÍÅÇ :
Comparison of zinc concentrations in blood and seminal plasma and the various sperm parameters between fertile and infertile men.
J Androl 2000 Jan-Feb;21(1):53-7 (ISSN: 0196-3635)
Chia SE; Ong CN; Chua LH; Ho LM; Tay SK
Department of Community, Occupational and Family Medicine, the National University of Singapore, Republic of Singapore. [Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ].
The aim of the study was to examine the relationships between concentrations of zinc in blood and seminal plasma and sperm quality among infertile and fertile men. One hundred seven male (infertile group) partners of couples who were undergoing investigation for infertility with no known cause for the infertility and 103 men (fertile group) whose wives were pregnant at the time of the study were recruited. The subjects' blood and seminal plasma concentration of zinc were determined by atomic absorption spectroscopy. Except for semen volume, all the other semen parameters for the infertile men were significantly lower than those for the fertile group. The geometric means of the seminal plasma zinc concentration were significantly lower in the infertile group compared with those in the fertile group; 183.6 mg/L (range, 63-499) versus 274.6 mg/L (range, 55-420). There were no significant differences in the geometric means of the blood zinc concentration between the 2 groups. Seminal plasma zinc concentration was significantly correlated with sperm density (r = 0.341, P < .0001), motility (r = 0.253, P < .0001), and viability (r = 0.286, P < .0001). On the basis of the findings of this study and those of other reports, zinc may contribute to fertility through its positive effect on spermatogenesis.

ÎÁ ÓËÓ×ØÅÍÈÈ ÊÀ×ÅÑÒÂÀ ÑÏÅÐÌÛ ÏÐÈ ÏÐȨÌÅ ÖÈÍÊÀ :
Chronic cadmium toxicity to sperm of heavy cigarette smokers: immunomodulation by zinc.
Arch Androl 1999 Sep-Oct;43(2):135-40 (ISSN: 0148-5016)
Al-Bader A; Omu AE; Dashti H
Department of Pathology, Faculty of Medicine, Kuwait University, Safat.
The aim of the study was to investigate the role of zinc therapy in 125 male cigarette smokers with infertility. The mechanism involved in the zinc/cadmium relationship was evaluated through the effect of a zinc-deficient diet and supplementation on testes of male adult Sprague-Drew rats. Heavy smoking was associated with low sperm count, motility, and morphology and increased seminal cadmium levels. Zinc therapy improved sperm quality and increased seminal IL-4, but reduced TNF-alpha and IFN-gamma. A zinc-deficient diet led to high cadmium testicular accumulation comparable with those supplemented with cadmium. Cadmium had a linear correlation with TNF-alpha and IFN-gamma, but not with IL-4. Cytology of testicular aspirate and histopathology were normal in supplemented groups as in controls. These results indicate that zinc modulates the putative effect of cadmium through its enhancement of T-helper 2 cytokines expression and down-regulation of T-helper 1 cytokines.

Î ÍÈÇÊÎÉ ÊÎÍÖÅÍÒÐÀÖÈÈ ÖÈÍÊÀ Â ÑÅÌÅÍÍÎÉ ÆÈÄÊÎÑÒÈ ÏÐÈ ÎËÈÃÎÑÏÅÐÌÈÈ :
Zinc levels in seminal plasma and sperm density.
Ginekol Pol 1998 Jun;69(6):490-3 (ISSN: 0017-0011)
Robak-Cholubek D; Jakiel G; Bakalczuk S; Bokiniec M
Dept of Reproduction and Andrology, University School of Medicine, Lublin.
Zinc levels in seminal plasma were measured. The study was done on 122, random selected males from infertile couples. The atomic absorption spectrophotometer was used. Sperm density of ejaculate was also determined. These parameters were compared in subgroups: normospermic and oligospermic and in classes of variable oligospermic severity. Semen serum zinc levels in normospermic men was significantly increased as compared to oligospermic men. There were no significant differences in zinc levels between the different classes of oligospermia.

Î ÂÊËÞ×ÅÍÈÈ ÖÈÍÊÀ  ÏÐÎÃÐÀÌÌÓ ÄËß ÓËÓ×ØÅÍÈß ÊÀ×ÅÑÒÂÀ ÑÏÅÐÌÛ :
Male infertility: nutritional and environmental considerations.
Altern Med Rev 2000 Feb;5(1):28-38 (ISSN: 1089-5159)
Sinclair S
Green Valley Health, Hagerstown, MD 21742, USA.
Studies confirm that male sperm counts are declining, and environmental factors, such as pesticides, exogenous estrogens, and heavy metals may negatively impact spermatogenesis. A number of nutritional therapies have been shown to improve sperm counts and sperm motility, including carnitine, arginine, zinc, selenium, and vitamin B-12. Numerous antioxidants have also proven beneficial in treating male infertility, such as vitamin C, vitamin E, glutathione, and coenzyme Q10. Acupuncture, as well as specific botanical medicines, have been documented in several studies as having a positive effect on sperm parameters. A multi-faceted therapeutic approach to improving male fertility involves identifying harmful environmental and occupational risk factors, while correcting underlying nutritional imbalances to encourage optimal sperm production and function.

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Ñòàðûé 23.02.2002, 18:58
Regina Regina âíå ôîðóìà
Íà÷èíàþùèé ó÷àñòíèê
 
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ÎÏÛÒ Ñ ÆÈÂÎÒÍÛÌÈ - Î ÐÎËÈ ÖÈÍÊÀ  ÒÅÑÒÈÊÓËßÐÍÎÌ ÑÏÅÐÌÀÒÎÃÅÍÅÇÅ :
Effect of marginal or severe dietary zinc deficiency on testicular development and functions of the rat.
Arch Androl 1997 May-Jun;38(3):243-53 (ISSN: 0148-5016)
Hamdi SA; Nassif OI; Ardawi MS
Department of Medicine, College of Medicine, King Abdulaziz University Hospital, King Abdulaziz University, Jeddah, Saudi Arabia.
The effects of marginal (MZD) and severe (SZD) zinc-deficient diets on testicular function and development were studied in rats maintained on dietary treatment for 6 weeks after weaning. SZD produced variable degrees of histological changes as compared with pair-fed controls, including a significant decrease in the diameter of seminiferous tubules (p < .05) with variable degree of maturation arrest in different stages of spermatogenesis. No significant histological changes were obtained in testes of MZD rats. MZD rats-exhibited significant decreases in serum levels of testosterone (62.6%, p < .001) and progesterone (18.2%, p < .05) with no changes in that of FSH or LH. SZD rats showed marked decreases in serum levels of testosterone (17.8-fold, p < .001) and progesterone (28.8%, p < .001), whereas FSH showed an increase (34.4%, p < .05) as compared with respective controls. In vitro acute stimulation by hCG on testicular tissue preparation obtained from MZD rats resulted in much less androgen production (sum of androstenedione, testosterone, and androstanediol) (72.4%, p < .001) as compared with controls. Testicular androgen contents (sum of androstenedione, testosterone, and androstanediol) decreased significantly in MZD and SZD rats, with the latter showing the greatest decrease. SZD rats were asospermic, whereas MZD rats exhibited marked decrease in sperm counts (by 22.9%, p < .05) as compared with respective controls. The results reflect a direct action of zinc deficiency on testicular steroidogenesis and strongly support the idea that hypogonadism of zinc deficiency results mainly from changes in testicular steroidogenesis or indirectly from Leydig cell failure.
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Ñòàðûé 23.02.2002, 21:22
V.Dvorianchikov V.Dvorianchikov âíå ôîðóìà Ïîë ìóæñêîé
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V.Dvorianchikov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïëîõóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Ñïàñèáî, Regina. Î÷åíü ïîëåçíàÿ èíôîðìàöèÿ.

Ñ ó÷åòîì òîãî, ÷òî óðîâåíü öèíêà â êðîâè ó áîëüíûõ è çäîðîâûõ áûë îäèíàêîâ, ñëåäóåò ïðåäïîëîæèòü, ÷òî äåôèöèò öèíêà ó áîëüíûõ ÿâëÿåòñÿ âòîðè÷íûì è ëîêàëüíûì. À ïîçèòèâíàÿ ðîëü öèíêîâîé òåðàïèè (êñòàòè, â äîâîëüíî ëîøàäèíûõ äëÿ äëèòåëüíîãî ïðèåìà äîçàõ) ñâîäèòñÿ ê ñâÿçûâàíèþ â êèøå÷íèêå íåêîåãî èñòèííîãî ôàêòîðà àñòåíîçîîñïåðìèè, âñàñûâàþùåãîñÿ îòòóäà â êðîâü, ñåëåêòèâíî êîíöåíòðèðóþùåãîñÿ â ãåíèòàëèÿõ è âûçûâàþùåãî ëîêàëüíûé Zn-äåôèöèò ñî âñåìè âûòåêàþùèìè. Î÷åâèäíî, ýòîò ôàêòîð äîëæåí áûòü êñåíîáèîòè÷åñêèì (èíôåêòîãåííûì?), èáî áîëüíûå è çäîðîâûå åäÿò, â ïðèíöèïå, îäíî è òî æå.
Èç èçâåñòíûõ ìíå èíôåêöèîííûõ àãåíòîâ êëèíèêó èñòèííîãî Zn-äåôèöèòà â äåòàëÿõ ïîâòîðÿåò, ðàçâå ÷òî, êëèíèêà ñèñòåìíîãî ìèêî(óðåà)ïëàçìîçà. Æàëü, ÷òî â ðàáîòàõ íå ïðèâîäÿòñÿ äèàãðàììû äèñïåðñèé ñïåðìîãðàôè÷åñêèõ ïîêàçàòåëåé, ñîîòíåñåííûõ ñ ñîäåðæàíèåì Zn â áèîìàòåðèàëå ó áîëüíûõ. Ñìîòðÿ ïî òîìó, èìååòñÿ ëè î÷àã èíôåêöèè â ãåíèòàëèÿõ, â ãåíèòàëèÿõ è êèøå÷íèêå, èëè òîëüêî â êèøå÷íèêå, íà ãðàôèêå òàêîé çàâèñèìîñòè ìîæíî áûëî áû âû÷ëåíèòü äâà ó÷àñòêà - "íå÷óâñòâèòåëüíûé" è "÷óâñòâèòåëüíûé" è ê Zn-òåðàïèè, ñìîòðÿ ïî òîìó, èìååòñÿ ëè èíôåêöèîííûé î÷àã íåïîñòðåñòâåííî â çîíå ñïåðìàòîãåíåçà.
Àëåêñåé, íå õîòèòå ïðîâåðèòü ýòó ãèïîòåçó. ïðè íàëè÷èè äîñòàòî÷íîãî êîëè÷åñòâà âîëîíòåðîâ ýòî î÷åíü íå ñëîæíî. Çàòî, â ñëó÷àå ïîääòâåðæäåíèÿ - ãîòîâàÿ ðåâîëþöèÿ â ñôåðå ìóæñêîãî (è æåíñêîãî?) "àòèïè÷åñêîãî" áåñïëîäèÿ.
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Ñòàðûé 24.02.2002, 21:03
Regina Regina âíå ôîðóìà
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Ñòàðûé 02.03.2002, 09:42
Zhivov Zhivov âíå ôîðóìà
Âåòåðàí ôîðóìà
      
 
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Zhivov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåZhivov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåZhivov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåZhivov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåZhivov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåZhivov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåZhivov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåZhivov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåZhivov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåZhivov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåZhivov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Ðåãèíà,
Åùå ðàç ñïàñèáî çà õîðîøóþ àðãóìåíòàöèþ.  îäíîé èç ðàáîò àâòîðîâ èç Ñèíãàïóðà íå íàéäåíî êîðåëëÿöèè ìåæäó êîíöåíòðàöèåé öèíêà â ñûâîðîòêå êðîâè è â ñåìåííîé ïëàçìå. Ýòîò ôàêò ìîæåò ãîâîðèòü î òîì, ÷òî óâåëè÷åíèå êîíöåíòðàöèè öèíêà â ïèùå èëè ïðèåì öèíêñîäåðæàùèõ ïðåïàðàòîâ íå âñåãäà ïðèâîäèò ïîâûøåíèþ êîíöåíòðàöèè öèíêà â ïðîñòàòå è ò.ä.  ñâÿçè ñ ýòèì ïðîñüáà: åñëè Âû ðàñïëàãàåòå ññûëêàìè íà ðàáîòû ïî ìåòîäàì (ïðåïàðàòàì) ïîâûøàþùèì êîíöåíòðàöèþ öèíêà â ïðîñòàòå è ñåìåííîé ïëàçìå ïðèâåäèòå èõ ïîæàëóéñòà êàê ìîæíî áîëüøå. È âòîðîé ïðàêòè÷åñêèé âîïðîñ: ãäå â Ìîñêâå (à ìîæåò Âû çíàåòå è â Ïèòåðå) îïðåäåëÿþò (êà÷åñòâåííî è äîñòîâåðíî åñòåñòâåííî) êîíöåíòðàöèþ â ñïåðìå öèòðàòîâ, ôðóêòîçû è öèíêà. Çàðàíåå Âàì áëàãîäàðåí çà îòâåò.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #8  
Ñòàðûé 02.03.2002, 11:42
V.Dvorianchikov V.Dvorianchikov âíå ôîðóìà Ïîë ìóæñêîé
çàáàíåí
      
 
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V.Dvorianchikov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïëîõóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Àëåêñåé, âàì ïåðåäàëè àìïóëû ñ Õëàìèöèäîì?
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #9  
Ñòàðûé 24.04.2002, 06:58
Zhivov Zhivov âíå ôîðóìà
Âåòåðàí ôîðóìà
      
 
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Zhivov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåZhivov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåZhivov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåZhivov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåZhivov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåZhivov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåZhivov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåZhivov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåZhivov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåZhivov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåZhivov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Óâàæàåìàÿ Ðåãèíà,
Ó ìåíÿ åñòü áîëüíîé ñ îëèãîçîîñïåðìèåé è íèçêîé êîíöåíòðàöèåé öèíêà â ýÿêóëÿòå (ñïåðìîãðàììà ñäåëàíà âî Ôðàíöèè). Êàêèå êîììåð÷åñêè äîñòóïíûå ñàïïëèìåíòû öèíêà ïðîäàþòñÿ â Ðîññèè?
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
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Ñòàðûé 24.04.2002, 09:15
Regina Regina âíå ôîðóìà
Íà÷èíàþùèé ó÷àñòíèê
 
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Óâàæàåìûé ä-ð Æèâîâ,

ÿ îòñóòñòâîâàëà äîëüøå, ÷åì ïðåäïîëàãàëîñü, ïîýòîìó ïîñëå âîçâðàùåíèÿ íàêîïèëîñü äåë, íå áûëî âîçìîæíîñòè âûéòè "â ýôèð"...

Æèâó â Ãåðìàíèè è, ê ñîæàëåíèþ, íå çíàþ, ãäå â Ðîññèè äåëàþò àíàëèçû ñïåðìû íà öèíê è ïðî÷åå. Åñëè êîìó-òî íóæíî ñäåëàòü àíàëèç è åñòü âîçìîæíîñòü ïðèåõàòü â Ãåðìàíèþ - ïîìîãó ñ ëàáîðàòîðèåé.
Èç ïðåïàðàòîâ öèíêà íà ðîññèéñêîì ðûíêå... ÿ ïðèïîìèíàþ òîëüêî àìåðèêàíñêèå âèòàìèíû "Ñòðåññ ôîðìóëà ñ öèíêîì" îò ôèðìû U.S.Quality Drug - â ïîêàçàíèÿ âõîäèò ïðîáëåìà ñ âûðàáîòêîé ïîëîâûõ ãîðìîíîâ, à òàêæå ïîëüñêèé ïðåïàðàò "Öèíêòåðàë". Êîëëåãè â Ðîññèè íàçîâóò, âîçìîæíî, áîëüøåå êîëè÷åñòâî ïðåïàðàòîâ.

ß ïîêà íå íàøëà êàêèõ-ëèáî äàëüíåéøèõ ññûëîê íà öèíêîâûå ïðîáëåìû. Ïîñìîòðèì.

À áîëüíîìó, ÿ äóìàþ, ïîìèìî ïðåïàðàòà öèíêà ìîæíî ïîñîâåòîâàòü êóøàòü ìîðñêèå ïðîäóêòû.

Âñåãî äîáðîãî
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #11  
Ñòàðûé 24.04.2002, 09:43
V.Dvorianchikov V.Dvorianchikov âíå ôîðóìà Ïîë ìóæñêîé
çàáàíåí
      
 
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Ñîîáùåíèé: 2,953
V.Dvorianchikov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïëîõóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Àëåêñåé,
Çà÷åì âàì ýòî íóæíî? Âû, âåäü, ïðåêðàñíî çíàåòå, ÷òî èç ýòîãî íè÷åãî íå âûéäåò.
Âïðî÷åì, âû ìîæåòå ïîïûòàòüñÿ íîðìàëèçîâàòü îáìåí öèíêà ñ ïîìîùüþ ïðîñòîãî ñîâåòñêîãî ãîìåîïàòè÷åñêîãî Zincum metallicum 6[12,30]. Ëþáîïûòíî, ÷òî â ãîìåîïàòèè ýòîò ïðåïàðàò íàçíà÷àåòñÿ ïðè ïàòîëîãè÷åñêîì ñîêðàùåíèè ñåìåííîãî êàíàòèêà.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #12  
Ñòàðûé 24.04.2002, 11:46
Regina Regina âíå ôîðóìà
Íà÷èíàþùèé ó÷àñòíèê
 
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Äîáðûé äåíü,
óâàæàåìûå ãîñïîäà.

Ïîçâîëþ ñåáå ñ÷èòàòü ñëîâà "íîðìàëèçîâàòü îáìåí öèíêà" â ïðèìåíåíèè ê Zincum metallicum íåîáîñíîâàííûìè. Íåò â êàðòèíå ïðåïàðàòà òàêèõ óêàçàíèé.

À òàê èäåþ ã-íà Äâîðÿí÷èêîâà ïîääåðæèâàþ! Âåäü ïðèìåíèòåëüíî ê ìóæñêèì ãåíèòàëèÿì ñèìïòîìàìè Zincum metallicum ÿâëÿþòñÿ ë¸ãêàÿ âîçáóäèìîñòü, ïðåæäåâðåìåííîå èëè îòòÿíóòîå ïî âðåìåíè ñåìÿèçâåðæåíèå, ïðîñòàòîðåÿ (ïîòåðè öèíêà çàïðîãðàììèðîâàíû!!!), ïå÷àëü ïîñëå ñåìÿèçâåðæåíèÿ, îðõèò, îòåêè ÿè÷åê, ñïàçìû ñåìÿâûâîäÿùèõ ïóòåé, áîëè â ÿè÷êàõ, êîòîðûå óìåíüøàþòñÿ ïðè õîäüáå. Åñòü ó ïàöèåíòà òàêèå ÿâëåíèÿ - ìîæíî ïðîïèñàòü ïðåïàðàò. Ýòî íå åäèíñòâåííûå ñèìïòîìû, åñòü è ìíîæåñòâî äðóãèõ, ÿ ïèøó ýòî íå ïîòîìó, ÷òî õî÷ó ïîêàçàòü ãîìåîïàòè÷åñêóþ ýðóäèöèèþ, à ïîòîìó, ÷òî õî÷ó ïîä÷åðêíóòü, ÷òî íåëüçÿ ðóêîâîäñòâîâàòüñÿ èäååé "äåôèöèò ÷åãî-òî ýòèì æå ñàìûì ãîìåîïàòè÷åñêè ëå÷èòü". Åñëè åñòü äåôèöèò öèíêà êàê òàêîâîé, òî è íóæåí öèíê êàê òàêîâîé. È ïðè÷èíû ïîòåðü öèíêà òîæå íóæíî ïîñòàðàòüñÿ íàéòè, à òî áóäåò "áåçäîííàÿ áî÷êà" - ñêîëüêî íå äàâàé, âñ¸ òåðÿåòñÿ...

Êñòàòè, ó ìåíÿ ñåé÷àñ áûëî âðåìÿ - ïîñìîòðåëà ñòðàíèöó ä-ðà Æèâîâà, òåïåðü ÿ çíàþ, êòî Âû, è ÷òî Âû íàõîäèòåñü â Ðîññèè, ÿ ýòîãî íå çíàëà....
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #13  
Ñòàðûé 24.04.2002, 12:10
V.Dvorianchikov V.Dvorianchikov âíå ôîðóìà Ïîë ìóæñêîé
çàáàíåí
      
 
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Ñîîáùåíèé: 2,953
V.Dvorianchikov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïëîõóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Îé, Ðåãèíà, êàê ìíîãî âàì åùå ïðåäñòîèò óçíàòü èç ãîìåîïàòèè! Ê òîìó æå, ÷àñòü ïðîöèòèðîâàííûõ âàìè ñèìïòîìîâ, êàæåòñÿ, çàèìñòâîâàíà èç Zincum phosphoricum. Íó, äà íå ñóòü...
Î÷åíü íå ëþáëþ áëèñòàòü ÷åìë-ëèáî (òåì áîëåå, ýðóäèöèåé, òåì áîëåå, íå ñîáñòâåííîé), íî ïðèäåòñÿ:
Ìóæñêèå ïîëîâûå îðãàíû. Ïðèïóõàíèå ÿè÷åê, èõ ïîäòÿãèâàíèå êâåðõó. Ñèëüíûå ýðåêöèè. Ýìèññèè ñ èïîõîíäðèåé. Âûïàäåíèå âîëîñ íà ëîáêå. ßè÷êè ïîäòÿíóòû êâåðõó çà ñ÷åò ñîêðàùåíèÿ ñåìåííûõ êàíàòèêîâ.
[Â.Áåðèêå Materia medica ãîìåîïàòè÷åñêèõ ïðåïàðàòîâ. Ì. "Ãîìåîïàòè÷åñêàÿ Ìåäèöèíà", 1998. Ðóññêîå èçäàíèå].
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #14  
Ñòàðûé 24.04.2002, 14:59
Regina Regina âíå ôîðóìà
Íà÷èíàþùèé ó÷àñòíèê
 
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Èìåííî Zincum metallicum !

À Zincum phosphoricum áîëåå õàðàêòåðåí äëÿ î÷åíü ñèëüíîé ýðåêöèè è ñòðàñòíûõ ñíîâ, ñîïðîâîæäàþùèõñÿ ýðåêöèåé, ýÿêóëÿöèåé, ïðèâîäÿùèõ ê íåðâíîìó èñòîùåíèþ.

Ýòà äèñêóññèÿ ìîæåò íàñ ïðèâåñòè ê ñðàâíåíèþ îïèñàíèé ïðåïàðàòîâ, ïðèâåäåííûõ â ðàçíûõ èñòî÷íèêàõ, è ê ñïîðó, ÷üå îïèñàíèå "ïðàâèëüíåå". Äåëàòü ýòî ëó÷øå â ôîðóìå "Ãîìåîïàòèÿ".

À ÷òî ïî ïîâîäó "Îé" - êîíå÷íî, ñîâåðøåíñòâîâàòüñÿ íóæíî ïîñòîÿííî, ýòî ÷ðåçâû÷àéíî öåííîå çàìå÷àíèå, áîëüøîå ñïàñèáî !!!
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
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Ñòàðûé 24.04.2002, 16:06
V.Dvorianchikov V.Dvorianchikov âíå ôîðóìà Ïîë ìóæñêîé
çàáàíåí
      
 
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V.Dvorianchikov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïëîõóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
ß èìåë â âèäó âàøå çàìå÷àíèå íàñ÷åò êàæóùåéñÿ "èçîïàòè÷íîñòè" Zincum íà ôîíå âòîðè÷íîãî Zn-äåôèöèòà, ïðè òîì, ÷òî èñòèííàÿ èçîïàòè÷íîñòü â ãîìåîïàòèè - áåçóñëîâíî, åðåñü.
Âïðî÷åì, ýòî - äåéñòâèòåëüíî, òåìà äëÿ îòäåëüíîãî îáññóæäåíèÿ èëè äàæå îòäåëüíîé ñòàòüè.
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