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Îïöèè òåìû Ïîèñê â ýòîé òåìå Îïöèè ïðîñìîòðà
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Ñòàðûé 09.04.2011, 21:22
Àâàòàð äëÿ doctor_psy
doctor_psy doctor_psy âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Íà÷èíàþùèé ó÷àñòíèê
 
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Ãîðîä: Íîâîêóçíåöê
Ñîîáùåíèé: 27
doctor_psy ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò îòëè÷íóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Ñî÷åòàíèå öèòîñòàòèêîâ è àíòèäåïðåññàíòîâ ãðóïïû ÑÈÎÇ

Çäðàâñòâóéòå, óâàæàåìûå êîëëåãè.

Êî ìíå, âðà÷ó-ïñèõîòåðàïåâòó, îáðàòèëàñü çà ïîìîùüþ æåíùèíà (âåðíåå ïðèâåç íà êîíñóëüòàöèþ å¸ ìóæ), ïåðåíåñøàÿ ìàñòýêòîìèþ ïî ïîâîäó ðàêà ìîëî÷íîé æåëåçû - òî÷íîãî äèàãíîçà ñîîáùèòü íå ìîãó, òàê êàê íåò âûïèñêè. Òàê êàê, ó ýòîé æåíùèíû â íàñòîÿùåå âðåìÿ òÿæ¸ëàÿ äåïðåññèÿ ñ íåäàâíåé ïîïûòêîé ñóèöèäà, ñîáèðàþñü íàçíà÷èòü åé àíòèäåïðåññàíò èç ãðóïïû ñåëåêòèâíûõ èíãèáèòîðîâ îáðàòíîãî çàõâàòà ñåðîòîíèíà (ÑÈÎÇ). Ëó÷åâîé òåðàïèè íå áûëî, íî â îíêîäèñïàíñåðå åé ñîáèðàþòñÿ ïðîâåñòè êóðñ õèìèîòåðàïèè. ß ïîïðîñèë óçíàòü, êàêèå ïðåïàðàòû åé ñîáèðàþòñÿ íàçíà÷èòü, ÷òî áû èñêëþ÷èòü íåáëàãîïðèÿòíîå ñî÷åòàíèå ÑÈÎÇ è öèòîñòàòèêîâ. Ïîëó÷èë ñëåäóþùèé ñïèñîê ïðåïàðàòîâ:
- äîêñîðóáèöèí;
- öèêëîôîñôàí;
- ôòîðóðàöèí.

Òàê êàê ó ïàöèåíòêè â ïñèõè÷åñêîì ñîñòîÿíèè ïðåîáëàäàåò òðåâîæíûå ðåàêöèè, ñîáèðàþñü íàçíà÷èòü åé ðåêñåòèí (ïàðîêñåòèí).

Âîïðîñ ê óâàæàåìûì îíêîëîãàì: ñî÷åòàíèå äàííûõ öèòîñòàòèêîâ è ïàðîêñåòèíà íå ïðèâåä¸ò ëè ê íåáëàãîïðèÿòíûì ïîñëåäñòâèÿì?  ñïåö. ëèòåðàòóðå íè÷åãî íå íàø¸ë. Íà ýòîì ôîðóìå ïîäîáíûõ òåì òîæå íå âñòðåòèë.

Ìîæåò áûòü êòî-íèáóäü ïîäåëèòñÿ ñâîèì îïûòîì ôàðìàêîëîãè÷åñêîãî ëå÷åíèÿ äåïðåññèè ó îíêîëîãè÷åñêèõ áîëüíûõ. Ó ìåíÿ óâû, òàêîãî îïûòà ïîêà íåò.

Çàðàíåå ñïàñèáî çà ïîìîùü...
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
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Ñòàðûé 09.04.2011, 22:09
Àâàòàð äëÿ genbytu
genbytu genbytu âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Âðà÷-ó÷àñòíèê ôîðóìà
      
 
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Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 959 ðàç(à) çà 949 ñîîáùåíèé
genbytu ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìågenbytu ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìågenbytu ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìågenbytu ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìågenbytu ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìågenbytu ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìågenbytu ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìågenbytu ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìågenbytu ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìågenbytu ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìågenbytu ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Ïðè áåãëîì îáçîðå ëèòåðàòóðû ïî äàííîé òåìå äàííûõ çà íåãàòèâíîå âçàèìîäåéñòâèå ñõåìû FEC ñ ïàðîêñèòèíîì íå íàøåë, îäíàêî óòî÷íèòå ó æåíùèíû ãîðìîíàëüíûé ñòàòóñ îïóõîëè, íå ïðèíèìàåò ëè îíà Òàìîêñèôåí?
Öèòàòà:
Metabolic Drug Interactions between Antidepressants and Anticancer Drugs: Focus on Selective Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitors and Hypericum Extract.
Caraci F, Crupi R, Drago F, Spina E.
Abstract
Different antidepressant drugs are currently used for the treatment of depression in cancer patients, such as second-generation antidepressants and, recently, the extracts of Hypericum perforatum. These agents are susceptible to metabolically-based drug interactions with anticancer drugs. The aim of the present article is to provide an updated review of clinically relevant metabolic drug interactions between selected anticancer drugs and antidepressants, focusing on selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors (SSRIs) and Hypericum extract. SSRIs can cause pharmacokinetic interactions through their in vitro ability to inhibit one or more cytochrome P450 isoenzymes (CYPs). SSRIs differ in their potential for metabolic drug interactions with anticancer drugs. Fluoxetine and paroxetine are potent inhibitors of CYP2D6 and administration of these SSRIs reduces the clinical benefit of an anticancer drug, such as tamoxifen, by decreasing the formation of active metabolites of this drug. Women with breast cancer who receive paroxetine in combination with tamoxifen are at increased risk for death. Other SSRIs, including citalopram, escitalopram, are weak or negligible inhibitors of CYP2D6 and are less likely to interact with anticancer drugs, while sertraline causes significant inhibition of this isoform only at high doses. Hypericum extract, by inducing both the CYP3A4 and the P-glycoprotein (P-gp), can reduce the plasma concentrations of different antineoplastic agents such as imatinib, irinotecan and docetaxel, thus reducing the clinical efficacy of these drugs. Although these interactions are often predictable, the use of fluoxetine, paroxetine and Hypericum extract should be avoided in cancer patients.
åñòü íàïðèìåð òàêîå èññëåäîâàíèå
Öèòàòà:
Selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors and breast cancer mortality in women receiving tamoxifen: a population based cohort study.
Kelly CM, Juurlink DN, Gomes T, Duong-Hua M, Pritchard KI, Austin PC, Paszat LF.
Abstract
OBJECTIVE: To characterise whether some selective serotonin reuptake inhibitor (SSRI) antidepressants reduce tamoxifen's effectiveness by inhibiting its bioactivation by cytochrome P450 2D6 (CYP2D6).
DESIGN: Population based cohort study.
PARTICIPANTS: Women living in Ontario aged 66 years or older treated with tamoxifen for breast cancer between 1993 and 2005 who had overlapping treatment with a single SSRI.
MAIN OUTCOME MEASURES: Risk of death from breast cancer after completion of tamoxifen treatment, as a function of the proportion of time on tamoxifen during which each SSRI had been co-prescribed.
RESULTS: Of 2430 women treated with tamoxifen and a single SSRI, 374 (15.4%) died of breast cancer during follow-up (mean follow-up 2.38 years, SD 2.59). After adjustment for age, duration of tamoxifen treatment, and other potential confounders, absolute increases of 25%, 50%, and 75% in the proportion of time on tamoxifen with overlapping use of paroxetine (an irreversible inhibitor of CYP2D6) were associated with 24%, 54%, and 91% increases in the risk of death from breast cancer, respectively (P<0.05 for each comparison). By contrast, no such risk was seen with other antidepressants. We estimate that use of paroxetine for 41% of tamoxifen treatment (the median overlap in our sample) would result in one additional breast cancer death within five years of cessation of tamoxifen for every 19.7 (95% confidence interval 12.5 to 46.3) patients so treated; the risk with more extensive overlap would be greater.
CONCLUSION: Paroxetine use during tamoxifen treatment is associated with an increased risk of death from breast cancer, supporting the hypothesis that paroxetine can reduce or abolish the benefit of tamoxifen in women with breast cancer.
Êðîìå òîãî ýôôåêòèâíîñòü ïàðîêñåòèíà â ëå÷åíèè äåïðåññèè ó áîëüíûõ ðàêîì ìîëî÷íîé æåëåçû íåîäíîçíà÷íà

Öèòàòà:
A double-blind, multicenter, parallel-group study of paroxetine, desipramine, or placebo in breast cancer patients (stages I, II, III, and IV) with major depression.
Musselman DL, Somerset WI, Guo Y, Manatunga AK, Porter M, Penna S, Lewison B, Goodkin R, Lawson K, Lawson D, Evans DL, Nemeroff CB.
Abstract
OBJECTIVE: This study compared the efficacy and safety of paroxetine and desipramine with those of placebo in the treatment of depressive disorders in adult women with breast cancer, stages I-IV.
METHOD: In a double-blind, placebo-controlled study, 35 female outpatients with breast cancer and DSM-III-R major depression or adjustment disorder with depressed mood were randomly assigned to treatment with paroxetine (N=13), desipramine (N=11), or placebo (N=11) for 6 weeks. Primary efficacy was assessed by change from baseline in score on the 21-item Hamilton Rating Scale for Depression (HAM-D), and the secondary outcome measure was change from baseline in the Clinical Global Impressions-Severity of Illness scale (CGI-S) score.
RESULTS: Mean changes in the total HAM-D and CGI-S scores from baseline to 6-week endpoint for the paroxetine and desipramine groups were not significantly different than those for the placebo-treated group. An unusually high rate of response (defined as >or=50% improvement in the HAM-D score) in the placebo group was observed (55% [N=6]); adverse events precipitated patient discontinuation in the active treatment groups (9% [N=1] for desipramine, 15% [N=2] for paroxetine) similar to that in the placebo-treated patients (18% [N=2]). Improvement on symptom dimensions within the HAM-D and Hamilton Rating Scale for Anxiety (depressive, anxiety, cognitive, neurovegetative, or somatic) was also similar between groups.
CONCLUSION: The small number of women in this study most likely contributed to the lack of observed differences in efficacy observed during the 6 weeks of treatment. Randomized, placebo-controlled trials of adequate power seeking to determine efficacy of antidepressants in the United States for the treatment of women with breast cancer and comorbid depression remain of paramount importance.
Ïîèùèòå â ýòîì íàïðàâëåíèè, åñëè íàéäåòå ÷òî-òî èíòåðåñíîå - ïèøèòå.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
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Ñòàðûé 09.04.2011, 22:47
Àâàòàð äëÿ doctor_psy
doctor_psy doctor_psy âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Íà÷èíàþùèé ó÷àñòíèê
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 12.04.2004
Ãîðîä: Íîâîêóçíåöê
Ñîîáùåíèé: 27
doctor_psy ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò îòëè÷íóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò genbytu Ïîñìîòðåòü ñîîáùåíèå
Ïðè áåãëîì îáçîðå ëèòåðàòóðû ïî äàííîé òåìå äàííûõ çà íåãàòèâíîå âçàèìîäåéñòâèå ñõåìû FEC ñ ïàðîêñèòèíîì íå íàøåë, îäíàêî óòî÷íèòå ó æåíùèíû ãîðìîíàëüíûé ñòàòóñ îïóõîëè, íå ïðèíèìàåò ëè îíà Òàìîêñèôåí?
Íåò, îíà â äàííûé ìîìåíò íè÷åãî íå ïðèíèìàåò. Áîëåå, òîãî, îíà è öèòîñòàòèêè ïðèíèìàòü íå õî÷åò, ò.ê. ñòðàøèòñÿ ñîïóòñòâóþùåãî âûïàäåíèÿ âîëîñ. Õîòÿ, ÿ äóìàþ ìû ñ îíêîëîãàìè å¸ ïåðåóáåäèì. Ñîáñòâåííî ìîè ïñèõîòåðàïåâòè÷åñêèå äåéñòâèÿ ñåé÷àñ êàê ðàç â ýòîì íàïðàâëåíèè - ïîêàçàòü åé, ÷òî æèçíü ñ óòðàòîé îäíîé ãðóäè è âðåìåííîãî âûïàäåíèÿ âîëîñ íå çàêàí÷èâàåòñÿ è ò.ä. è ò.ï.

Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò genbytu Ïîñìîòðåòü ñîîáùåíèå
Êðîìå òîãî ýôôåêòèâíîñòü ïàðîêñåòèíà â ëå÷åíèè äåïðåññèè ó áîëüíûõ ðàêîì ìîëî÷íîé æåëåçû íåîäíîçíà÷íà.
À ÷òî òîãäà ýôôåêòèâíî? ß åé ïàðîêñåòèí, â îñíîâíîì êàê àíêñèîëèòèê õî÷ó íàçíà÷èòü (è åñëè òàì åù¸ áóäåò ñîïóòñòâóþùèé òèìîàíàëåïòè÷åñêèé ýôôåêò - òîæå õîðîøî).


Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò genbytu Ïîñìîòðåòü ñîîáùåíèå
Ïîèùèòå â ýòîì íàïðàâëåíèè, åñëè íàéäåòå ÷òî-òî èíòåðåñíîå - ïèøèòå.
ß êîíå÷íî ïî÷èòàþ ýòè òåêñòû (ñïàñèáî çà íàâîäêó). À åñòü ëè ó êîãî ðåàëüíûé îïûò ôàðìòåðàïèè ïîäîáíûõ ðàññòðîéñòâ. Ìíå äóìàåòñÿ (õîòÿ òî÷íîé ñòàòèñòèêè íå çíàþ), ÷òî áîëüøèíñòâî æåíùèí â ïîäîáíîé ñèòóàöèè ïåðåæèâàþò òÿæåëåéøèå äåïðåññèè, êîòîðûå êîíå÷íî æå òðåáóþò àäåêâàòíîé òåðàïèè.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
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Ñòàðûé 09.04.2011, 23:07
Àâàòàð äëÿ genbytu
genbytu genbytu âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Âðà÷-ó÷àñòíèê ôîðóìà
      
 
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Ãîðîä: Ìîñêâà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 3,112
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 1
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 959 ðàç(à) çà 949 ñîîáùåíèé
genbytu ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìågenbytu ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìågenbytu ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìågenbytu ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìågenbytu ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìågenbytu ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìågenbytu ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìågenbytu ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìågenbytu ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìågenbytu ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìågenbytu ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò doctor_psy Ïîñìîòðåòü ñîîáùåíèå
æèçíü ñ óòðàòîé îäíîé ãðóäè è âðåìåííîãî âûïàäåíèÿ âîëîñ íå çàêàí÷èâàåòñÿ è ò.ä. è ò.ï.
Íàïîìíèòå æåíùèíå, ÷òî åñòü âîçìîæíîñòü âûïîëíåíèÿ ðåêîíñòðóêòèâíîé îïåðàöèè.

Öèòàòà:
À ÷òî òîãäà ýôôåêòèâíî? ß åé ïàðîêñåòèí, â îñíîâíîì êàê àíêñèîëèòèê õî÷ó íàçíà÷èòü (è åñëè òàì åù¸ áóäåò ñîïóòñòâóþùèé òèìîàíàëåïòè÷åñêèé ýôôåêò - òîæå õîðîøî).
Èç îíêîëîãîâ Âàì âðÿä ëè êòî ñìîæåò ÷òî-òî ïîäñêàçàòü ïî äàííîé ïðîáëåìå.
Ó íàñ â êëèíèêå åñòü ïñèõîòåðàïåâò, íî íà ìîåé ïàìÿòè àíòèäåïðåññàíòû íè êîìó íå íàçíà÷àëèñü, îáû÷íî îáõîäèëèñü âåðáàëüíûìè ìåòîäàìè âîçäåéñòâèÿ.
Öèòàòà:
À åñòü ëè ó êîãî ðåàëüíûé îïûò ôàðìàêîòåðàïèè ïîäîáíûõ ðàññòðîéñòâ. Ìíå äóìàåòñÿ (õîòÿ òî÷íîé ñòàòèñòèêè íå çíàþ), ÷òî áîëüøèíñòâî æåíùèí â ïîäîáíîé ñèòóàöèè ïåðåæèâàþò òÿæåëåéøèå äåïðåññèè, êîòîðûå êîíå÷íî æå òðåáóþò àäåêâàòíîé òåðàïèè.
Ïðîáëåìà äåéñòâèòåëüíî ñóùåñòâóåò, âåäü äåïðåññèè ïîäâåðæåíû íå òîëüêî æåíùèíû ñ ðàêîì ìîëî÷íîé æåëåçû, íî è âîîáùå áîëüøèíñòâî îíêîëîãè÷åñêèõ áîëüíûõ.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #5  
Ñòàðûé 11.04.2011, 13:56
Àâàòàð äëÿ doctor_psy
doctor_psy doctor_psy âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Íà÷èíàþùèé ó÷àñòíèê
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 12.04.2004
Ãîðîä: Íîâîêóçíåöê
Ñîîáùåíèé: 27
doctor_psy ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò îòëè÷íóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò genbytu Ïîñìîòðåòü ñîîáùåíèå
Ó íàñ â êëèíèêå åñòü ïñèõîòåðàïåâò, íî íà ìîåé ïàìÿòè àíòèäåïðåññàíòû íè êîìó íå íàçíà÷àëèñü, îáû÷íî îáõîäèëèñü âåðáàëüíûìè ìåòîäàìè âîçäåéñòâèÿ
È ïðè ñóèöèäàëüíûõ ïîïûòêàõ òîæå?

Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò vmark Ïîñìîòðåòü ñîîáùåíèå
Åñòü ãðóïïû, øêîëû, êîòîðûå âêëþ÷àþò ñåáÿ æåíùèí, êîòîðûå óæå ïðîøëè ëå÷åíèå ïî ïîâîäó ðàêà ìîëî÷íîé æåëåçû è æåíùèí, êîòîðûì ïðåäñòîèò òàêîå ëå÷åíèå. èõ îáùåíèå, ïåðåäà÷à îïûòà, âîçìîæíîñòè ðåàáèëèòàöèè è ò.ä. ãîðàçäî áîëüøå ïîìîãàþò, ÷åì ôàðìïðåïàðàòû.
Ñîãëàñåí, ãðóïïà ïîääåðæêè ëþäåé ñ ïîäîáíûìè ïðîáëåìàìè, äà è âîîáùå ãðóïïîâàÿ ïñèõîòåðàïèÿ - õîðîøî ïîìîãàåò íå çàöèêëèâàòüñÿ íà ÑÂÎÈÕ ïðîáëåìàõ, ðàñøèðÿåò âèäåíüå, äà¸ò íàäåæäó... (êîãäà-òî ìíîãî çàíèìàëñÿ ãðóïïîâîé òåðàïèåé). Òîëüêî âîò â Íîâîêóçíåöêå, ïîäîáíûõ ãðóïï (îíêîáîëüíûõ) òî÷íî íåò.  íàøåì îíêîäèñïàíñåðå äàæå ïñèõîòåðàïåâòà íåò - íå çàäåðæèâàþòñÿ òàì ïñèõîòåðàïåâòû (äåíåã íå ïëàòÿò, ðàáîòà òÿæ¸ëàÿ).

Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò vmark Ïîñìîòðåòü ñîîáùåíèå
Âîîáùå ñ÷èòàåòñÿ, ÷òî åñëè íåò ïñèõè÷åñêîãî çàáîëåâàíèÿ, òî àíòèäåïðåññàíòû ìîãóò óñèëèòü äåïðåññèþ, ò.ê. âíóòðåííèå ïðè÷èíû îñòàþòñÿ íåâûñêàçàííûìè, íåïîíÿòûìè ñàìèì ÷åëîâåêîì. Íî ïîä÷¸ðêèâàþ, ýòî â òîì ñëó÷àå åñëè åñòü âíóòðåííèå ïåðåæèâàíèÿ , ñâÿçàííûå, íàïðèìåð, ñ âûÿâëåíèåì çàáîëåâàíèÿ è ò.ï. Åñëè æå åñòü ÏÑÈÕÈ×ÅÑÊÈÅ ðàññòðîéñòâà, òî ïðåïàðàòû íóæíû.
Ýòî ñòàðûé ñïîð: íóæíî ëè ïðè äåïðåññèÿõ (òî÷íåå ïðè êàêîé ñòåïåíè òÿæåñòè) - íàçíà÷àòü àíòèäåïðåññàíòû. Òîëüêî â÷åðà ïðèåõàë èç Íîâîñèáèðñêà - ñî ñúåçäà ïñèõîòåðàïåâòîâ Ñèáèðè. Ïñèõîòåðàïåâòû ïðèøåäøèå èç ïñèõèàòðèè - ðàñøèðÿþò ïîêàçàíèÿ äëÿ íàçíà÷åíèÿ àíòèäåïðåññàíòîâ, îñîáåííî åñëè â èõ îïûòå áûëè ïàöèåíòû ñ ñóèöèäîì; ïñèõîòåðàïåâòû ïåðåó÷åííûå èç äðóãèõ ñïåöèàëüíîñòåé (ïðîøåäøèå ñåðòèôèêàöèîííûé öèêë, íî íå èìåþùèå îïûòà ðàáîòû â ïñèõèàòðè÷åñêîé êëèíèêå), à òàê æå ïñèõîëîãè - ìèíèìèçèðóþò ïîêàçàíèÿ äëÿ àíòèäåïðåññàíòîâ. Òîëüêî íå íàäî ÏÐÎÒÈÂÎÏÎÑÒÀÂËßÒÜ àíòèäåïðåññàíòû - ïñèõîòåðàïèè. Ñ÷èòàþ, ÷òî ïðè äåïðåññèè (îñîáåííî òÿæ¸ëîé ñòåïåíè) ýòè äâà âèäà ëå÷åíèÿ õîðîøî äîïîëíÿþò äðóã äðóãà. Êðîìå òîãî, ïðîâîäèëèñü èññëåäîâàíèÿ íà òðóïàõ ñóèöèäåíòîâ (òî÷íîé ññûëêè ñåé÷àñ íå äàì) - ó 100% (èëè ãäå-òî áëèçêèå öèôðû) - áûëè íàðóøåíèÿ ñåðîòîíèíîâîãî îáìåíà.
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Ñòàðûé 11.04.2011, 16:34
Àâàòàð äëÿ genbytu
genbytu genbytu âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Âðà÷-ó÷àñòíèê ôîðóìà
      
 
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Ãîðîä: Ìîñêâà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 3,112
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 1
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 959 ðàç(à) çà 949 ñîîáùåíèé
genbytu ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìågenbytu ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìågenbytu ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìågenbytu ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìågenbytu ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìågenbytu ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìågenbytu ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìågenbytu ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìågenbytu ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìågenbytu ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìågenbytu ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò doctor_psy Ïîñìîòðåòü ñîîáùåíèå
È ïðè ñóèöèäàëüíûõ ïîïûòêàõ òîæå?
 ìîåé èìåííî îíêîëîãè÷åñêîé ïðàêòèêå ñóèöèäàëüíûõ ïîïûòîê áûëî 2, íî ýòî áûëè èíêóðàáåëüíûå áîëüíûå è ìûñëè íàçíà÷èòü àíòèäåïðåññàíòû ïñèõîòåðàïåâò íå âûñêàçûâàë.
 Âàøåì ñëó÷àå, êàê ÿ ïîíÿë, ïàöèåíòêå ïðîâåäåíî ðàäèêàëüíîå ëå÷åíèå è, ñîáñòâåííî, îáúåêòèâíûõ ïðè÷èí äëÿ ñóèöèäà (åñëè ìîæíî òàê âûðàçèòüñÿ) íåò.
 õèðóðãè÷åñêîé ïðàêòèêå ïîïûòîê ñóèöèäà áûëî ìíîãî, íî âñå îíè áûëè ñâÿçàíû ñ ïñèõîçàìè, êàê ïðàâèëî àëêîãîëüíîé ýòèîëîãèè ))).
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #7  
Ñòàðûé 12.04.2011, 13:58
Àâàòàð äëÿ vmark
vmark vmark âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Âðà÷-ó÷àñòíèê ôîðóìà
      
 
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Ãîðîä: Ìîñêâà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 5,560
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 40
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 570 ðàç(à) çà 558 ñîîáùåíèé
vmark ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåvmark ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåvmark ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåvmark ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåvmark ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåvmark ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåvmark ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåvmark ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåvmark ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåvmark ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåvmark ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò doctor_psy Ïîñìîòðåòü ñîîáùåíèå
Ñ÷èòàþ, ÷òî ïðè äåïðåññèè (îñîáåííî òÿæ¸ëîé ñòåïåíè) ýòè äâà âèäà ëå÷åíèÿ õîðîøî äîïîëíÿþò äðóã äðóãà.
1. À ÷òî áûëè ñóèöèäàëüíûå ìûñëè? Áûëè ïîïûòêè ñóèöèäà èëè ïðîñòî ïàöèåíòêà âûñêàçûâàëà ìûñëè? Êîìó âûñêàçûâàëà?
2. ß ðàáîòàþ ñ ïàöèåíòàìè 4 êëèí. ãðóïïû îêîëî 20 ëåò. Çà ýòî âðåìÿ âèäåë 1 çàâåðøåííûé ñóèöèä (áåç ïðåäâàðèòåëüíûõ ìûñëåé, ïðè äîñòàòî÷íî àäåêâàòíîì ïîâåäåíèè) è ïàðó ïàöèåíòîâ ñ òÿæ¸ëûì áîëåâûì ñèíäðîìîì, êîòîðûå íå õîòåëè æèòü èç-çà ñèëüíûõ áîëåé. Ïîñëå êóïèðîâàíèÿ áîëåâîãî ñèíäðîìà âñå ýòè ìûñëè èñ÷åçëè. Âñå îñòàëüíûå ïàöèåíòû èìåëè ïåðåæèâàíèÿ â ïëàíå ñàìîé áîëåçíè, íàäâèãàþùåéñÿ ñìåðòè, èçìåíèâøåéñÿ âíåøíîñòè, äåòåé è ò.ï. Íèêòî èç íèõ íèêàêèõ ñóèöèäàëüíûõ ìûñëåé íå âûñêàçûâàë äî êîíöà æèçíè. Íèêòî èç íèõ íå ïîëó÷àë àíòèäåïðåññàíòû. Ñ íèìè âåëèñü áåñåäû î äèàãíîçå, ïðîãíîçå, î âîçìîæíîñòè ðåøåíèÿ âîïðîñà ñ äåòüìè, êîòîðûå îñòàíóòñÿ ïîñëå óõîäà áîëüíîãî è ò.ä.
3. Åñëè Âû âíèìàòåëüíî ÷èòàëè ìî¸ ïåðâîå ñîîáùåíèå, òî ÿ òàì êàê ðàç ïîä÷¸ðêèâàë, ÷òî åñëè åñòü ÏÑÈÕÈ×ÅÑÊÈÅ ðàññòðîéñòâà, òî ïðåïàðàòû íóæíû.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #8  
Ñòàðûé 10.04.2011, 08:19
aberzoy aberzoy âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Âåòåðàí ôîðóìà
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 03.02.2003
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Ñîîáùåíèé: 5,681
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 1,128 ðàç(à) çà 1,080 ñîîáùåíèé
aberzoy ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåaberzoy ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåaberzoy ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåaberzoy ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåaberzoy ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåaberzoy ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåaberzoy ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåaberzoy ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåaberzoy ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåaberzoy ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåaberzoy ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Ïî àíòèäåïðåññàíòàì íè÷åãî ñêàçàòü íå ìîó.

À ïñèõîëîãè÷åñêàÿ ïîääåðæêà âàæíà.

Êñòàòè, èç ïðàêòèêè, ïîñëå çàìåíû ïðè÷åñêè íà ïàðèê ïîäàâëÿþùåå áîëüøèíñòâî íà÷èíàåò ïîëó÷àòü êîìïëèìåíòû îò îêðóæàþùèõ î íîâîé ïðè÷åñêå (öâåòå/ñòèëå).
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  #9  
Ñòàðûé 10.04.2011, 10:19
Àâàòàð äëÿ vmark
vmark vmark âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Âðà÷-ó÷àñòíèê ôîðóìà
      
 
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Ãîðîä: Ìîñêâà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 5,560
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 40
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 570 ðàç(à) çà 558 ñîîáùåíèé
vmark ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåvmark ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåvmark ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåvmark ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåvmark ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåvmark ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåvmark ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåvmark ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåvmark ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåvmark ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåvmark ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Åñòü ãðóïïû, øêîëû, êîòîðûå âêëþ÷àþò ñåáÿ æåíùèí, êîòîðûå óæå ïðîøëè ëå÷åíèå ïî ïîâîäó ðàêà ìîëî÷íîé æåëåçû è æåíùèí, êîòîðûì ïðåäñòîèò òàêîå ëå÷åíèå. èõ îáùåíèå, ïåðåäà÷à îïûòà, âîçìîæíîñòè ðåàáèëèòàöèè è ò.ä. ãîðàçäî áîëüøå ïîìîãàþò, ÷åì ôàðìïðåïàðàòû. Âîîáùå ñ÷èòàåòñÿ, ÷òî åñëè íåò ïñèõè÷åñêîãî çàáîëåâàíèÿ, òî àíòèäåïðåññàíòû ìîãóò óñèëèòü äåïðåññèþ, ò.ê. âíóòðåííèå ïðè÷èíû îñòàþòñÿ íåâûñêàçàííûìè, íåïîíÿòûìè ñàìèì ÷åëîâåêîì. Íî ïîä÷¸ðêèâàþ, ýòî â òîì ñëó÷àå åñëè åñòü âíóòðåííèå ïåðåæèâàíèÿ , ñâÿçàííûå, íàïðèìåð, ñ âûÿâëåíèåì çàáîëåâàíèÿ è ò.ï. Åñëè æå åñòü ÏÑÈÕÈ×ÅÑÊÈÅ ðàññòðîéñòâà, òî ïðåïàðàòû íóæíû.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #10  
Ñòàðûé 11.04.2011, 18:35
Àâàòàð äëÿ genbytu
genbytu genbytu âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Âðà÷-ó÷àñòíèê ôîðóìà
      
 
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Ãîðîä: Ìîñêâà
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Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 959 ðàç(à) çà 949 ñîîáùåíèé
genbytu ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìågenbytu ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìågenbytu ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìågenbytu ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìågenbytu ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìågenbytu ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìågenbytu ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìågenbytu ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìågenbytu ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìågenbytu ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìågenbytu ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Ïî ïîâîäó âíåøíåãî âèäà, ïîääåðæèâàþ Àëåêñàíäðà Àíäðååâè÷à, ïàðèê ðåøàåò áîëüøèíñòâî ïðîáëåì. ß ñàì íå óçíàþ íåêîòîðûõ ïàöèåíòîê ïîñëå âûïèñêè, êðîìå òîãî, âîëîñû òåðÿþò íå âñå ïàöèåíòêè, ïëþñ ýòî ÿâëåíèå âðåìåííîå.
Ñóùåñòâóåò ñïåöèàëüíîå áåëüå äëÿ æåíùèí ïîñëå ìàñòýêòîìèè ñ âíåøíèì ïðîòåçîì ìîëî÷íîé æåëåçû.
 áîëüøèíñòâå ñëó÷àåò âîçìîæíî âûïîëíåíèå îòñðî÷åííîé ðåêîíñòðóêöèè ìîëî÷íîé æåëåçû, ñåé÷àñ ýòî ìîæíî ñäåëàòü äàæå ïî êâîòå.
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Ñòàðûé 12.04.2011, 20:21
Àâàòàð äëÿ vmark
vmark vmark âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Âðà÷-ó÷àñòíèê ôîðóìà
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 23.05.2005
Ãîðîä: Ìîñêâà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 5,560
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 40
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 570 ðàç(à) çà 558 ñîîáùåíèé
vmark ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåvmark ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåvmark ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåvmark ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåvmark ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåvmark ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåvmark ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåvmark ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåvmark ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåvmark ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåvmark ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Ïðîøó ïðîùåíèÿ, íå çàìåòèë â âàøåì ñîîáùåíèè ïðî ñóèöèä. Äóìàë, ÷òî Âàì èíòåðåñåí îïûò ëþäåé, ðàáîòàþùèõ ñ îíêîëîãè÷åñêèìè áîëüíûìè, èñõîäÿ èç ýòîé ôðàçû
Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò doctor_psy Ïîñìîòðåòü ñîîáùåíèå
Ìîæåò áûòü êòî-íèáóäü ïîäåëèòñÿ ñâîèì îïûòîì ôàðìàêîëîãè÷åñêîãî ëå÷åíèÿ äåïðåññèè ó îíêîëîãè÷åñêèõ áîëüíûõ. Ó ìåíÿ óâû, òàêîãî îïûòà ïîêà íåò.
Òåïåðü ÿ ïîíÿë, ÷òî ó Âàñ êîíêðåòíûé âîïðîñ.  ïîäáîðå àíòèäåïðåññàíòîâ ïîìî÷ü íå ñìîãó. Óäà÷è.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
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Ñòàðûé 14.04.2011, 08:02
Àâàòàð äëÿ Divisenko
Divisenko Divisenko âíå ôîðóìà
Âðà÷ ïñèõîòåðàïåâò
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 03.09.2005
Ãîðîä: Ìîñêâà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 15,046
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 3,886 ðàç(à) çà 3,784 ñîîáùåíèé
Çàïèñåé â äíåâíèêå: 2
Divisenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDivisenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDivisenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDivisenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDivisenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDivisenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDivisenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDivisenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDivisenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDivisenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDivisenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
ß áû Âåíëàôàêñèí âûáðàë.
Îòñóòñòâèÿ íåáëàãîïðèÿòíîãî âçàèìîäåéñòâèÿ ìû èñêëþ÷èòü íå ìîæåì. Íî ëå÷èòü âñå ðàâíî íóæíî.
È ÿ áû åùå íàçíà÷èë òðàíêâèëèçàòîð, êîãäà åùå íà÷íåòñÿ äåéñòâèå ÀÄ, à òðåâîãó íóæíî óæå ñåé÷àñ óáèðàòü.
Äà, è Âåíëàôàêñèí íà÷èíàòü ñ ìàëûõ äîç, ò.å. 1/4 òàáëåòêè 75 ìã 2 ðàçà â äåíü, ñ ïîñòåïåííûì ïîâûøåíèåì.
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Ñòàðûé 14.04.2011, 08:56
Àâàòàð äëÿ doctor_psy
doctor_psy doctor_psy âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Íà÷èíàþùèé ó÷àñòíèê
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 12.04.2004
Ãîðîä: Íîâîêóçíåöê
Ñîîáùåíèé: 27
doctor_psy ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò îòëè÷íóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò Anthioh Ïîñìîòðåòü ñîîáùåíèå
ß áû Âåíëàôàêñèí âûáðàë.
Îòñóòñòâèÿ íåáëàãîïðèÿòíîãî âçàèìîäåéñòâèÿ ìû èñêëþ÷èòü íå ìîæåì. Íî ëå÷èòü âñå ðàâíî íóæíî.
È ÿ áû åùå íàçíà÷èë òðàíêâèëèçàòîð, êîãäà åùå íà÷íåòñÿ äåéñòâèå ÀÄ, à òðåâîãó íóæíî óæå ñåé÷àñ óáèðàòü.
Äà, è Âåíëàôàêñèí íà÷èíàòü ñ ìàëûõ äîç, ò.å. 1/4 òàáëåòêè 75 ìã 2 ðàçà â äåíü, ñ ïîñòåïåííûì ïîâûøåíèåì.
Ïðèâåò Ñåðãåé. Ñïàñèáî, ÷òî ïîäêëþ÷èëñÿ ê îáñóæäåíèþ. Äà, ê ñîæàëåíèþ òîøíîòó è äð.àáäîìèíàëüíûå ðàññòðîéñòâà íå èñêëþ÷àþ, êîòîðûå ìîãóò óñèëèòüñÿ ïðè íàçíà÷åíèè öèòîñòàòèêîâ (íà÷íóò èõ êàïàòü 20.04.11), ïîýòîìó óæå è íàçíà÷èë âåëàêñèí (âåíëàôàêñèí) ïî 75 ìã/ñóò, íàäåþñü ê òîìó âðåìåíè ýòè ïîáî÷íûå ýôôåêòû îò âåíëàôàêñèíà óæå ïðîéäóò... À òðàíêâèëèçàòîð êàêîé ïîðåêîìåíäóåøü? Îíà åù¸ è àêòèâíî ðàáîòàåò - ýòî òî, ÷òî å¸ ñåé÷àñ â æèçíè óäåðæèâàåò, íå äà¸ò ïîãðóæàòüñÿ â ìðà÷íûå ìûñëè, íå õîòåëîñü áû å¸ ðàáîòå ïîìåøàòü (ðàáîòà ñâÿçàíà ñ ïåðåãîâîðàìè, ïîäïèñàíèåì êîíòðàêòîâ)...
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Ñòàðûé 26.04.2011, 16:37
KimPApsyh KimPApsyh âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Íà÷èíàþùèé ó÷àñòíèê
 
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Ãîðîä: Íèæíåâàðòîâñê
Ñîîáùåíèé: 47
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 1
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 2 ðàç(à) çà 2 ñîîáùåíèé
KimPApsyh ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê ïîëîæèòåëüíî õàðàêòåðèçóåòñÿ íà ôîðóìå
Ìîæåò óæå íå àêòóàëüíî, íî äëÿ èíòåðåñà.
 epocrat online åñòü îïöèÿ âçàèìîäåéñòâèå ëåêàðñòâ. Íàïðèìåð, ïî çàïðîñó ïàðîêñåòèí/òàìîêñèôåí - caution advised: combo may decr. active tamoxifen metabolite levels, efficacy (hepatic metab. inhibited)
Ïî çàïðîñó âåíëàôàêñèí/äîêñîðóáèöèí - No significant interactions known or found for selected drugs. Caution always advised with multiple medications.
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