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Îïöèè òåìû Ïîèñê â ýòîé òåìå Îïöèè ïðîñìîòðà
  #31  
Ñòàðûé 27.07.2008, 22:04
Àâàòàð äëÿ alexa_smith
alexa_smith alexa_smith âíå ôîðóìà Ïîë æåíñêèé
Íà÷èíàþùèé ó÷àñòíèê
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 17.06.2008
Ãîðîä: Ìîñêâà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 81
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 3
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 9 ðàç(à) çà 7 ñîîáùåíèé
alexa_smith ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåalexa_smith ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåalexa_smith ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Âîïðîñ ê Dtver è Gilarov

Íàñêîëüêî ó Âàñ ïðàêòèêóåòñÿ âîññòàíîâëåíèå ÝÈÒ â àìáóëàòîðíûõ óñëîâèÿõ?
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #32  
Ñòàðûé 27.07.2008, 22:58
Àâàòàð äëÿ Gilarov
Gilarov Gilarov âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Âðà÷-ó÷àñòíèê ôîðóìà
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 26.07.2001
Ãîðîä: Ìîñêâà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 7,196
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 713 ðàç(à) çà 691 ñîîáùåíèé
Gilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò alexa_smith Ïîñìîòðåòü ñîîáùåíèå
Íàñêîëüêî ó Âàñ ïðàêòèêóåòñÿ âîññòàíîâëåíèå ÝÈÒ â àìáóëàòîðíûõ óñëîâèÿõ?
Íèíàñêîëüêî. Ôîðìàëüíî - ýòî âñåãäà ãîñïèòàëèçàöèÿ, äàæå åñëè ïàöèåíò óéäåò â òîò æå äåíü.

Êîììåíòàðèè ê ñîîáùåíèþ:
Dtver îäîáðèë(à): Åñ-íî ïðèñîåäèíÿþñü!
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #33  
Ñòàðûé 28.07.2008, 11:41
Àâàòàð äëÿ thorn
thorn thorn âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Çàñëóæåííûé ó÷àñòíèê
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 10.04.2003
Ãîðîä: Ìîñêâà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 782
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 15 ðàç(à) çà 15 ñîîáùåíèé
thorn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåthorn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåthorn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåthorn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåthorn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåthorn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåthorn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåthorn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåthorn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåthorn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåthorn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò alexa_smith Ïîñìîòðåòü ñîîáùåíèå
Íàñêîëüêî ó Âàñ ïðàêòèêóåòñÿ âîññòàíîâëåíèå ÝÈÒ â àìáóëàòîðíûõ óñëîâèÿõ?
À ýòî ãäå-òî â Ðîññèè ïðàêòèêóåòñÿ? Êàê ñïèñàòü ïðîïîôîë (èëè ìèäàçîëàì èëè åùå ÷òî)?

Êîììåíòàðèè ê ñîîáùåíèþ:
Gilarov îäîáðèë(à): Õîðîøî çàôèêñèðîâàííûé ïàöèåíò â àíåñòåçèè íå íóæäàåòñÿ
alexa_smith îäîáðèë(à):
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #34  
Ñòàðûé 13.08.2008, 18:37
Fro Fro âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Íà÷èíàþùèé ó÷àñòíèê
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 07.01.2008
Ãîðîä: Ìîñêâà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 95
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 6
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 3 ðàç(à) çà 3 ñîîáùåíèé
Fro ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFro ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFro ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò thorn Ïîñìîòðåòü ñîîáùåíèå
À ýòî ãäå-òî â Ðîññèè ïðàêòèêóåòñÿ? Êàê ñïèñàòü ïðîïîôîë (èëè ìèäàçîëàì èëè åùå ÷òî)?
Ýòî ïðàêòèêóåòñÿ â Êàðäèîöåíòðå. Ñèëüíîäåéñòâóþùèå ïðåïàðàòû ñïèñûâàþòñÿ â àìáóëàòîðíóþ êàðòó.

Êîììåíòàðèè ê ñîîáùåíèþ:
Gilarov îäîáðèë(à): Ìîðôèí òîæå?
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #35  
Ñòàðûé 13.08.2008, 19:55
Àâàòàð äëÿ thorn
thorn thorn âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Çàñëóæåííûé ó÷àñòíèê
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 10.04.2003
Ãîðîä: Ìîñêâà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 782
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 15 ðàç(à) çà 15 ñîîáùåíèé
thorn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåthorn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåthorn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåthorn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåthorn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåthorn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåthorn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåthorn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåthorn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåthorn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåthorn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò Fro Ïîñìîòðåòü ñîîáùåíèå
Ýòî ïðàêòèêóåòñÿ â Êàðäèîöåíòðå. Ñèëüíîäåéñòâóþùèå ïðåïàðàòû ñïèñûâàþòñÿ â àìáóëàòîðíóþ êàðòó.
õì...íå çíàë, ÷òî òàê ìîæíî...
íî, ÷åñòíî ãîâîðÿ, íå ïîíèìàþ çà÷åì ýòî íóæíî, íåóæåëè ñëîæíî ãîñïèòàëèçèðîâàòü íà ñóòêè? òàê äîðîæå? ìíå êàê-òî ñïîêîéíåå áûëî áû îòïðàâèòü ïàöèåíòà â îòäåëåíèå ïîñïàòü, ÷åì íà óëèöó...
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #36  
Ñòàðûé 13.08.2008, 20:09
Fro Fro âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Íà÷èíàþùèé ó÷àñòíèê
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 07.01.2008
Ãîðîä: Ìîñêâà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 95
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 6
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 3 ðàç(à) çà 3 ñîîáùåíèé
Fro ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFro ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFro ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò thorn Ïîñìîòðåòü ñîîáùåíèå
õì...íå çíàë, ÷òî òàê ìîæíî...
íî, ÷åñòíî ãîâîðÿ, íå ïîíèìàþ çà÷åì ýòî íóæíî, íåóæåëè ñëîæíî ãîñïèòàëèçèðîâàòü íà ñóòêè? òàê äîðîæå? ìíå êàê-òî ñïîêîéíåå áûëî áû îòïðàâèòü ïàöèåíòà â îòäåëåíèå ïîñïàòü, ÷åì íà óëèöó...
À ñìûñë çàäåðæèâàòü áîëüíîãî? Ñóììàðíî âìåñòå ñ ×Ï-ÝÕÎ, êîððåêöèåé êàëèÿ, âîññòàíîâëåíèå ðèòìà çàíèìàåò ìàêñèìóì 2-3 ÷àñà. Êàêèõ îñëîæíåíèé ñëåäóåò îïàñàòüñÿ â îòäàëåííîì ïåðèîäå?

Öèòàòà:
Gilarov îäîáðèë(à): Ìîðôèí òîæå?
Ìîðôèí ïðè âîññòàíîâëåíèè ðèòìà ìû íå ââîäèì
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #37  
Ñòàðûé 13.08.2008, 20:24
Àâàòàð äëÿ thorn
thorn thorn âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Çàñëóæåííûé ó÷àñòíèê
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 10.04.2003
Ãîðîä: Ìîñêâà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 782
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 15 ðàç(à) çà 15 ñîîáùåíèé
thorn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåthorn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåthorn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåthorn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåthorn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåthorn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåthorn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåthorn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåthorn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåthorn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåthorn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò Fro Ïîñìîòðåòü ñîîáùåíèå
À ñìûñë çàäåðæèâàòü áîëüíîãî? Ñóììàðíî âìåñòå ñ ×Ï-ÝÕÎ, êîððåêöèåé êàëèÿ, âîññòàíîâëåíèå ðèòìà çàíèìàåò ìàêñèìóì 2-3 ÷àñà. Êàêèõ îñëîæíåíèé ñëåäóåò îïàñàòüñÿ â îòäàëåííîì ïåðèîäå?
Çàäåðæèâàòü áîëüíîãî ñìûñëà íåò. Íàâåðíî Âû ïðàâû. Ó íàñ òîæå óõîäèò ÷àñà äâà, äàæå ìåíüøå (åñëè íà ïðîïîôîëå)...åñëè íà ìèäàçîëàìå, òî íåêîòîðûå ñïÿò ÷àñà 4, òàêîãî íà óëèöó ñòðåìíî êàê-òî. À ÷òî çà êîððåêöèÿ êàëèÿ çà äâà ÷àñà?
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #38  
Ñòàðûé 13.08.2008, 20:35
Fro Fro âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Íà÷èíàþùèé ó÷àñòíèê
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 07.01.2008
Ãîðîä: Ìîñêâà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 95
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 6
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 3 ðàç(à) çà 3 ñîîáùåíèé
Fro ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFro ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFro ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò thorn Ïîñìîòðåòü ñîîáùåíèå
À ÷òî çà êîððåêöèÿ êàëèÿ çà äâà ÷àñà?
Ó íàñ ìîäóñ, â áîëüøèíñòâå ñëó÷àåâ ïåðåä êàðäèîâåðñèåé ââîäèòü ïðåïàðàòû êàëèÿ â/â. Íå çíàþ íàñêîëüêî ýòî îáîñíîâàííî â ïðèíöèïå, íî èíîãäà ïîëüçà âðîäå áû ïðîñëåæèâàåòñÿ.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #39  
Ñòàðûé 13.08.2008, 21:01
Àâàòàð äëÿ thorn
thorn thorn âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Çàñëóæåííûé ó÷àñòíèê
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 10.04.2003
Ãîðîä: Ìîñêâà
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  #40  
Ñòàðûé 13.08.2008, 22:07
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Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
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Ñòàðûé 15.08.2008, 00:30
Dtver Dtver âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
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Dtver ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDtver ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDtver ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDtver ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDtver ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDtver ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDtver ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDtver ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDtver ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDtver ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDtver ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
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Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
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Ñòàðûé 15.08.2008, 17:55
Àâàòàð äëÿ Gilarov
Gilarov Gilarov âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Âðà÷-ó÷àñòíèê ôîðóìà
      
 
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Gilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
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Ñïåöèàëüíûõ èññëåäîâàíèé ìû ïî ýòîìó ïîâîäó íå ïðîâîäèëè.
Ñïåöèàëüíûå èññëåäîâàíèÿ ãîâîðÿò, ÷òî äî 30% ïàðîêñèçìîâ êóïèðóþòñÿ ñàìîñòîÿòåëüíî â òå÷åíèå ñóòîê.

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  #43  
Ñòàðûé 13.02.2009, 16:04
Àâàòàð äëÿ thorn
thorn thorn âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Çàñëóæåííûé ó÷àñòíèê
 
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Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 15 ðàç(à) çà 15 ñîîáùåíèé
thorn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåthorn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåthorn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåthorn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåthorn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåthorn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåthorn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåthorn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåthorn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåthorn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåthorn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
ATHENA: îïÿòü rhythm?

íàêîíåö îïóáëèêîâàëè [Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ]
Stefan H. Hohnloser, M.D., Harry J.G.M. Crijns, M.D., Martin van Eickels, M.D., Christophe Gaudin, M.D., Richard L. Page, M.D., Christian Torp-Pedersen, M.D., Stuart J. Connolly, M.D., for the ATHENA Investigators NEJM Volume 360:668-678 February 12, 2009 Number 7
Öèòàòà:
ABSTRACT

Background
Dronedarone is a new antiarrhythmic drug that is being developed for the treatment of patients with atrial fibrillation.

Methods We conducted a multicenter trial to evaluate the use of dronedarone in 4628 patients with atrial fibrillation who had additional risk factors for death. Patients were randomly assigned to receive dronedarone, 400 mg twice a day, or placebo. The primary outcome was the first hospitalization due to cardiovascular events or death. Secondary outcomes were death from any cause, death from cardiovascular causes, and hospitalization due to cardiovascular events.

Results The mean follow-up period was 21±5 months, with the study drug discontinued prematurely in 696 of the 2301 patients (30.2%) receiving dronedarone and in 716 of the 2327 patients (30.8%) receiving placebo, mostly because of adverse events. The primary outcome occurred in 734 patients (31.9%) in the dronedarone group and in 917 patients (39.4%) in the placebo group, with a hazard ratio for dronedarone of 0.76 (95% confidence interval [CI], 0.69 to 0.84; P<0.001). There were 116 deaths (5.0%) in the dronedarone group and 139 (6.0%) in the placebo group (hazard ratio, 0.84; 95% CI, 0.66 to 1.08; P=0.18). There were 63 deaths from cardiovascular causes (2.7%) in the dronedarone group and 90 (3.9%) in the placebo group (hazard ratio, 0.71; 95% CI, 0.51 to 0.98; P=0.03), largely due to a reduction in the rate of death from arrhythmia with dronedarone. The dronedarone group had higher rates of bradycardia, QT-interval prolongation, nausea, diarrhea, rash, and an increased serum creatinine level than the placebo group. Rates of thyroid- and pulmonary-related adverse events were not significantly different between the two groups.
Conclusions Dronedarone reduced the incidence of hospitalization due to cardiovascular events or death in patients with atrial fibrillation. (ClinicalTrials.gov number, NCT00174785
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Ñòàðûé 13.02.2009, 16:52
Àâàòàð äëÿ dav1972
dav1972 dav1972 âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Çàñëóæåííûé ó÷àñòíèê
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 07.10.2007
Ãîðîä: Èðêóòñê
Ñîîáùåíèé: 637
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 84 ðàç(à) çà 82 ñîîáùåíèé
dav1972 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådav1972 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådav1972 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådav1972 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådav1972 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådav1972 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådav1972 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådav1972 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådav1972 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådav1972 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådav1972 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Öèòàòà:
Data collection and management and
statistical analysis were performed by the sponsor.

Ðåñïåêò Ñàíîôè çà òî, ÷òî äîâîëüíî íåóáåäèòåëüíûå äàííûå íå âûãëÿäÿò óáåäèòåëüíî.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
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Ñòàðûé 13.02.2009, 17:21
Àâàòàð äëÿ thorn
thorn thorn âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Çàñëóæåííûé ó÷àñòíèê
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 10.04.2003
Ãîðîä: Ìîñêâà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 782
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 15 ðàç(à) çà 15 ñîîáùåíèé
thorn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåthorn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåthorn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåthorn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåthorn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåthorn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåthorn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåthorn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåthorn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåthorn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåthorn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò dav1972 Ïîñìîòðåòü ñîîáùåíèå
Ðåñïåêò Ñàíîôè çà òî, ÷òî äîâîëüíî íåóáåäèòåëüíûå äàííûå íå âûãëÿäÿò óáåäèòåëüíî.
Ìåíÿ áîëüøå âñåãî óáèëî ýòî
Öèòàòà:
The study drug was prematurely discontinued in 696 (30.2%) of patients receiving dronedarone, as compared with 716 (30.8%) of those receiving placebo.
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