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Ôîðóì äëÿ îáùåíèÿ âðà÷åé àêóøåðîâ-ãèíåêîëîãîâ Ôîðóì ïðåäíàçíà÷åí äëÿ îáùåíèÿ ìåæäó âðà÷àìè àêóøåðàìè-ãèíåêîëîãàìè.

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Îïöèè òåìû Ïîèñê â ýòîé òåìå Îïöèè ïðîñìîòðà
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Ñòàðûé 13.06.2007, 20:35
Àâàòàð äëÿ FRSM
 FRSM  FRSM âíå ôîðóìà
ÂÐÀ×
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 12.06.2007
Ãîðîä: Airstrip One
Ñîîáùåíèé: 4,766
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 697 ðàç(à) çà 672 ñîîáùåíèé
FRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Íà÷àëî òóò: http://forums.rusmedserv.com/showthread.php?t=34610

Ñïàñèáî.  ëèòåðàòóðå, äà è â ìîåû ïðàêòèêå, ñëó÷àåâ áåñïëîäèÿ ïðè äâóðîãîé ìàòêå - ìàññà. Àáñîëóòíî ñîãëàñåí, ÷òî íàäî äåèñòâîâàòü ïî äèàãíîñòè÷åñêîìó "äåðåâó",
àëãîðèòìó, êîòîðûå ðàçëè÷íû â áîëüíèöàõ ðàçíûõ ñòðàí.

Ëè÷íî ïðèäåðæèâàóñü ìíåíèÿ, ÷òî ïðè îäíîû ïîëîæèòåëüíîé, íî ïîëíîñòüþ àíàòîìè÷åñêè íåðàñêðèòîé íàõîäêå (êàê â ñëó÷àå Èâàííèê), äåëî íàäî äîâåñòè äî êîíòñà, ïàðàëëåëüíî ñ ïðèíÿòûì ìåñòíî ïðîòîêîëîì êîìïëåêñíèõ èññëåäîâàíèé.

Âîïðîñ íàì áûë çàäàí êîíêðåòíûé.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
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Ñòàðûé 13.06.2007, 21:51
Dr. Nika Dr. Nika âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Âåòåðàí ôîðóìà
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 19.01.2007
Ãîðîä: Ýôèîïèÿ
Ñîîáùåíèé: 2,221
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 423 ðàç(à) çà 411 ñîîáùåíèé
Dr. Nika ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. Nika ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. Nika ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. Nika ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. Nika ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. Nika ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. Nika ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. Nika ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. Nika ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. Nika ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. Nika ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
1) ß íå íàøëà èññëåäîâàíèé, äîêàçûâàþùèõ ðîëü äâóðîãîé ìàòêè â æåíñêîì áåñïëîäèè (åñòü èññëåäîâàíèÿ ïî ìàòêå ñ ïîëíîñòüþ ðàçäåëåííîé ïîëîñòüþ, íî íå ïî äâóðîãîé). Çàòî åñòü èññëåäîâàíèå, äîêàçûâàþùåå îáðàòíîå.
"However, in a subpopulation of infertile subjects (n = 1024), the incidence of bicornuate uterus was not different from that in fertile controls (n = 1289), 0.5% vs. 0.4%, respectively.[2] This suggests that the bicornuate uterus probably does not affect infertility unless recurrent miscarriages are diagnosed or other infertility factors cannot be ruled out."
[Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ]
(êðàòêèé ïåðåâîä - íåò ñóùåñòâåííîé ðàçíèöû â ÷àñòîòå ðàñïðîñòðàíåíèÿ äâóðîãîé ìàòêè ìåæäó ãðóïïîé æåíùèí ñ áåñïëîäèåì è êîíòðîëüíîé (ôåðòèëüíîé) ãðóïïîé. )


2) Íå ñîâñåì ñîãëàñíà ñ ìåòîäîì èçìåðåíèÿ áàçàëüíîé òåìïåðàòóðû äëÿ îïðåäåëåíèÿ îâóëÿöèè. Âñå æå ýòîò ìåòîä î÷åíü íåíàäåæíûé è ïðè äîñòóïíîñòè ÓÇÈ ìîíèòîðèíãà òåðÿåò ñìûñë.

3) Íà ýòîì ôîðóìå åñòü àëãîðèòìû îáñëåäîâàíèÿ ïðè áåñïëîäèè, ðàñïèñàíû î÷åíü äåòàëüíî.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
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Ñòàðûé 14.06.2007, 00:21
Àâàòàð äëÿ FRSM
 FRSM  FRSM âíå ôîðóìà
ÂÐÀ×
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 12.06.2007
Ãîðîä: Airstrip One
Ñîîáùåíèé: 4,766
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 697 ðàç(à) çà 672 ñîîáùåíèé
FRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Äîðîãàÿ êîëëåãà! Ñëûøàëè Âû î Ñòðàññìàí èëè Äæîíåñ ïðàöåäóðàõ?

Ñ óâàæåíèåì -
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
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Ñòàðûé 14.06.2007, 02:47
Dr. Nika Dr. Nika âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Âåòåðàí ôîðóìà
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 19.01.2007
Ãîðîä: Ýôèîïèÿ
Ñîîáùåíèé: 2,221
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 423 ðàç(à) çà 411 ñîîáùåíèé
Dr. Nika ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. Nika ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. Nika ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. Nika ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. Nika ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. Nika ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. Nika ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. Nika ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. Nika ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. Nika ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. Nika ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Óâàæàåìûé êîëëåãà!
Ó Âàñ íåñêîëüêî ñòðàííûé ñòèëü îáùåíèÿ, íó äà ëàäíî.
Áóäåòå óäèâëåíû, íî îá îïåðàöèÿõ ïî ìåòðîïëàñòèêå ïðè àíîìàëèÿõ ðàçâèòèÿ/ñòðîåíèÿ ìàòêè ñëûøàëà. Ïðàâäà ïîêàçàíèåì ïî òîé ëèòåðàòóðå, ÷òî ìíå äîâîäèëîñü ÷èòàòü, ÿâëÿåòñÿ ïðèâû÷íîå íåâûíàøèâàíèå áåðåìåííîñòè. Åñëè ó âàñ åñòü ññûëêè, óêàçûâàþùèå ñðåäè ïîêàçàíèé áåñïëîäèå ñ ìàòî÷íûì ôàêòîðîì, áóäó ðàäà îáíîâèòü ñâîè çíàíèÿ.
 ñâîþ î÷åðåäü ïîäåëþñü òàêèìè ññûëêàìè

[Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ]
«While the majority of women with müllerian duct anomalies have little problem conceiving, they have higher associated rates of spontaneous abortion, premature delivery, and abnormal fetal lie and dystocia at delivery. Primary infertility in these women usually has an extrauterine cause and is not generally attributable to müllerian duct anomalies alone (18,21). In addition, cervical incompetence has been reported to be associated with these anomalies (3,14,22). »


[Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ]
INDICATIONS — Surgical repair of congenital uterine anomalies is primarily directed toward women with uterine septa, bicornuate uteri, and obstructed hemi-uteri. Women with unicornuate or arcuate uteri are generally not candidates for reconstructive procedures because surgery does not improve pregnancy outcome [1].
The most common indications for repair of congenital uterine anomalies are pelvic pain and repetitive pregnancy loss. Prior to surgical intervention, however, other causes of these problems should be excluded. (See "Evaluation and management of couples with recurrent pregnancy loss").
Dysmenorrhea in women with septate uteri may be considered an indication for hysteroscopic metroplasty if medical therapy is not effective. Laparoscopic evaluation for coexistent endometriosis (common in women with structural abnormalities of the reproductive tract) should be undertaken.
We, and others [2,3], do not believe abdominal repair of the didelphic uterus to improve pregnancy outcome is sufficiently supported by existing data. Pregnancy outcomes in women with bicornuate uteri have been reported to be close to those of the general population. However, since some of these women have recurrent pregnancy loss, surgical treatment with uterine reunification via laparotomy may be indicated after other possible causes of recurrent pregnancy loss have been addressed.


http://www.co-obgyn.com/pt/re/coobgyn/abstract.00001703-200706000-00005.htm;jsessionid=GwQWQThx7PH2V5Mfhsv0jvVZwvQV7 LppnHlvQpDXhtFrQR3GpVFm!-1804036389!-949856145!8091!-1

Uterine anomalies are associated with normal and adverse reproductive outcomes such as recurrent pregnancy loss and preterm delivery, but not infertility.

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Ñòàðûé 14.06.2007, 20:13
Voluson Voluson âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Êàíäèäàò â âåòåðàíû ôîðóìà
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 17.12.2006
Ãîðîä: Óêðàèíà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 1,793
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 563 ðàç(à) çà 545 ñîîáùåíèé
Voluson ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåVoluson ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåVoluson ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåVoluson ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåVoluson ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåVoluson ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåVoluson ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåVoluson ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåVoluson ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò Dr. Nika
1) ß íå íàøëà èññëåäîâàíèé, äîêàçûâàþùèõ ðîëü äâóðîãîé ìàòêè â æåíñêîì áåñïëîäèè (åñòü èññëåäîâàíèÿ ïî ìàòêå ñ ïîëíîñòüþ ðàçäåëåííîé ïîëîñòüþ, íî íå ïî äâóðîãîé)
Óâàæàåìûå êîëëåãè!
 ýòîé òåìå åñòü îäèí íüþàíñ. Äåëî â òîì, ÷òî çàêëþ÷åíèå ÓÇÈ î íàëè÷èè äâóðîãîé ìàòêè ÷àñòî ÿâëÿåòñÿ îøèáî÷íûì. Ãîðàçäî ÷àùå äâóðîãîé ìàòêè âñòðå÷àåòñÿ ìàòêà ñ ïîëíîé (èëè íåïîëíîé) âíóòðèìàòî÷íîé ïåðåãîðîäêîé (septate/subseptate uterus). Îäíàêî ïðè ÓÇÈ òî÷íàÿ äèàãíîñòèêà àíîìàëèé ðàçâèòèÿ ìàòêè âîçìîæíà òîëüêî ïðè 3Ä-ðåêîíñòðóêöèè ìàòêè ñ ïîñëåäóþùåé îöåíêîé êîðîíàðíîãî ñå÷åíèÿ ìàòêè (àíàëîãè÷íî ÃÑÃ), ÷òî, ê ñîæàëåíèþ, íå ïðîâîäèòñÿ ðóòèííî. Âîò è ïîëó÷àåòñÿ, ÷òî àíîìàëèè ðàçâèòèÿ ìàòêè ïî çàêëþ÷åíèÿì ÓÇÈ ÷àñòî îãðàíè÷èâàþòñÿ äâóðîãîé ìàòêîé.

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Ñòàðûé 15.06.2007, 00:30
Dr. Nika Dr. Nika âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Âåòåðàí ôîðóìà
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 19.01.2007
Ãîðîä: Ýôèîïèÿ
Ñîîáùåíèé: 2,221
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 423 ðàç(à) çà 411 ñîîáùåíèé
Dr. Nika ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. Nika ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. Nika ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. Nika ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. Nika ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. Nika ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. Nika ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. Nika ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. Nika ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. Nika ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. Nika ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Ñîãëàñíà ñ Âàìè, Âîëþñîí, àáñîëþòíî. Íî âñå-òàêè ìû äîëæíû áûòü êîððåêòíû â íàøèõ îöåíêàõ è çàêëþ÷åíèÿõ.  ÷åì ñîñòîÿë âîïðîñ - áåñïëîäèå+äâóðîãàÿ ìàòêà, ìîæåò ëè ýòî áûòü ïðè÷èíîé áåñïëîäèÿ?
Àíîìàëèè ðàçâèòèÿ ìàòêè êàê äâóðîãàÿ è äàæå ñ ïåðåãîðîäêîé âñå æå ÷àùå âñåãî ÿâëÿþòñÿ ïðè÷èíîé íå áåñïëîäèÿ, à íåâûíàøèâàíèÿ. Åñëè ó ïàöèåíòêè íå ïîëó÷àåòñÿ çà÷àòü ðåáåíêà, åé ñëåäóåò âûÿñíèòü ïðè÷èíó ýòîãî äëÿ íà÷àëà, ÷òîáû èñêëþ÷èòü âñå îñòàëüíûå ôàêòîðû áåñïëîäèÿ. Ñëåäóþùèì øàãîì áûëî áû ïîðåêîìåíäîâàòü åé áîëåå òùàòåëüíîå èññëåäîâàíèå ïîëîñòè è ìàòêè ñ ïîñëåäóþùèì ðåøåíèåì âîçìîæíîé ðåêîíñòðóêöèè äëÿ ñíèæåíèÿ ðèñêà íåâûíàøèâàíèÿ. Åñëè åé ñåé÷àñ ðåêîìåíäîâàòü ðåêîíñòðóêöèþ áåç âûÿñíåíèÿ èñòèííîé ïðè÷èíû áåñïëîäèÿ ( à îíà ïîêà ñ÷èòàåò ÷òî çíàåò òîëüêî îäíó âîçìîæíóþ, íî, êàê âûõîäèò, íå ñàìóþ âåðîÿòíóþ ïðè÷èíó), òî îíà ìîæåò îêàçàòüñÿ â ñèòóàöèè óíèôèöèðîâàííîé ìàòêè è âñå ðàâíî ñòðàäàòü áåñïëîäèåì. Ïîòåðÿåò âðåìÿ.

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R_Askerov îäîáðèë(à):
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
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Ñòàðûé 15.06.2007, 17:47
DrTodua DrTodua âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Ïîñòîÿííûé ó÷àñòíèê
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 18.04.2007
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Ñîîáùåíèé: 208
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 1 ðàç çà 1 ñîîáùåíèå
DrTodua ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDrTodua ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDrTodua ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDrTodua ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDrTodua ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDrTodua ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDrTodua ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDrTodua ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDrTodua ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDrTodua ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDrTodua ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Ñêàæèòå, óâàæàåìûå êîëëåãè, à âñòðå÷àëàñü ëè â âàøåé ïðàêòèêå uterus arquatus ? Íà÷èíàþò ïîÿâëÿòüñÿ èíòåðåñíûå ìàòåðèàëû ïî ýòîé òåìå.Îñîáåííî î ðîëè ãèñòåðîñêîïè÷åñêîãî ëå÷åíèÿ.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #8  
Ñòàðûé 15.06.2007, 23:22
Àâàòàð äëÿ R_Askerov
R_Askerov R_Askerov âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Çàñëóæåííûé ó÷àñòíèê
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 24.05.2007
Ãîðîä: Åêàòåðèíáóðã
Ñîîáùåíèé: 601
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 95 ðàç(à) çà 95 ñîîáùåíèé
R_Askerov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåR_Askerov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåR_Askerov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåR_Askerov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåR_Askerov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåR_Askerov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò DrTodua
Ñêàæèòå, óâàæàåìûå êîëëåãè, à âñòðå÷àëàñü ëè â âàøåé ïðàêòèêå uterus arquatus ? Íà÷èíàþò ïîÿâëÿòüñÿ èíòåðåñíûå ìàòåðèàëû ïî ýòîé òåìå.Îñîáåííî î ðîëè ãèñòåðîñêîïè÷åñêîãî ëå÷åíèÿ.
Âåðîÿòíî, èìååòñÿ â âèäó ñåäëîâèäíàÿ ìàòêà.  ýòîì ñëó÷àå ïðè îòñóòñòâèè âíóòðèìàòî÷íîé ïåðåãîðîäêè ðå÷ü î ðåêîíñòðóêöèè íå èäåò. À ïðè íàëè÷èè - çàâèñèò îò âåëè÷èíû ïîëîñòè.

Êñòàòè, ïðî ãèñòåðîñêîïè÷åñêèå îïåðàöèè. Ïðè ìàëåíüêîé ïîëîñòè ìàòêè ä-ð Æàê Àìó ðåêîìåíäóåò ãèñòåðîðåçåêòîñêîïè÷åñêîå ðàññå÷åíèå ñòåíîê ìàòêè (÷àñòè÷íîå) â áîêîâûõ íàïðàâëåíèÿõ, ñ÷èòàÿ ìàëåíüêóþ (ïî øèðèíå) ïîëîñòü ìàòêè ôàêòîðîì ðèñêà íåâûíàøèâàíèÿ áåðåìåííîñòè è íèçêîãî ïðèêðåïëåíèÿ ïëîäíîãî ÿéöà. Îïåðàöèÿ íåñëîæíàÿ è íåïðîäîëæèòåëüíàÿ.

Ñ óâàæåíèåì, Ðîìàí Àñêåðîâ
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #9  
Ñòàðûé 15.06.2007, 23:46
Voluson Voluson âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Êàíäèäàò â âåòåðàíû ôîðóìà
      
 
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Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 563 ðàç(à) çà 545 ñîîáùåíèé
Voluson ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåVoluson ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåVoluson ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåVoluson ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåVoluson ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåVoluson ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåVoluson ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåVoluson ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåVoluson ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò R_Askerov
Âåðîÿòíî, èìååòñÿ â âèäó ñåäëîâèäíàÿ ìàòêà.
Äåéñòâèòåëüíî, ýòî îäíî è òî æå - uterus arquatus, arcuate uterus, àðêóàòíàÿ (äóãîîáðàçíàÿ) ìàòêà, ñåäëîâèäíàÿ ìàòêà.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #10  
Ñòàðûé 16.06.2007, 00:03
Àâàòàð äëÿ R_Askerov
R_Askerov R_Askerov âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Çàñëóæåííûé ó÷àñòíèê
 
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Ãîðîä: Åêàòåðèíáóðã
Ñîîáùåíèé: 601
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 95 ðàç(à) çà 95 ñîîáùåíèé
R_Askerov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåR_Askerov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåR_Askerov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåR_Askerov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåR_Askerov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåR_Askerov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò Voluson
Óâàæàåìûå êîëëåãè!
 ýòîé òåìå åñòü îäèí íüþàíñ. Äåëî â òîì, ÷òî çàêëþ÷åíèå ÓÇÈ î íàëè÷èè äâóðîãîé ìàòêè ÷àñòî ÿâëÿåòñÿ îøèáî÷íûì. Ãîðàçäî ÷àùå äâóðîãîé ìàòêè âñòðå÷àåòñÿ ìàòêà ñ ïîëíîé (èëè íåïîëíîé) âíóòðèìàòî÷íîé ïåðåãîðîäêîé (septate/subseptate uterus). Îäíàêî ïðè ÓÇÈ òî÷íàÿ äèàãíîñòèêà àíîìàëèé ðàçâèòèÿ ìàòêè âîçìîæíà òîëüêî ïðè 3Ä-ðåêîíñòðóêöèè ìàòêè ñ ïîñëåäóþùåé îöåíêîé êîðîíàðíîãî ñå÷åíèÿ ìàòêè (àíàëîãè÷íî ÃÑÃ), ÷òî, ê ñîæàëåíèþ, íå ïðîâîäèòñÿ ðóòèííî. Âîò è ïîëó÷àåòñÿ, ÷òî àíîìàëèè ðàçâèòèÿ ìàòêè ïî çàêëþ÷åíèÿì ÓÇÈ ÷àñòî îãðàíè÷èâàþòñÿ äâóðîãîé ìàòêîé.
Ïðè ãèñòåðîñêîïèè òî÷íî òàêæå íåëüçÿ ïîñòàâèòü äèàãíîç äâóðîãàÿ, ñåäëîâèäíàÿ ìàòêà, òàê êàê âèäíà òîëüêî ïîëîñòü. Ñîîòâåòñòâåííî, âèäíî åñòü èëè íåò ïåðåãîðîäêà è êàêóþ ÷àñòü ïîëîñòè îíà ñîñòàâëÿåò. Äëÿ âûáîðà ìåòîäà îïåðàòèâíîé êîððåêöèè èñïîëüçóþòñÿ äîïîëíèòåëüíûå èññëåäîâàíèÿ.

Ñ óâàæåíèåì, Ðîìàí Àñêåðîâ
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
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