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Îïöèè òåìû Ïîèñê â ýòîé òåìå Îïöèè ïðîñìîòðà
  #16  
Ñòàðûé 13.03.2013, 22:05
BukinaOV BukinaOV âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Ó÷àñòíèê ôîðóìà
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 11.07.2010
Ãîðîä: Òàìáîâ
Ñîîáùåíèé: 150
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 4
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 26 ðàç(à) çà 26 ñîîáùåíèé
BukinaOV ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåBukinaOV ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò Regvas Ïîñìîòðåòü ñîîáùåíèå
È âñå òàêè, îò ïðèåìà âà ðô àðèíà õóæå æå íå áóäåò?
Îò ïðèåìà ëþáîãî ïðåïàðàòà ìîæåò áûòü õóæå. Ïîëüçà è âðåä îöåíèâàþòñÿ èíäèâèäóàëüíî.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #17  
Ñòàðûé 13.03.2013, 22:15
Àâàòàð äëÿ Iluhin
Iluhin Iluhin âíå ôîðóìà
ÂÐÀ×
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 24.03.2006
Ãîðîä: Ñàíêò-Ïåòåðáóðã
Ñîîáùåíèé: 5,879
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 9
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 1,327 ðàç(à) çà 1,195 ñîîáùåíèé
Iluhin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåIluhin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåIluhin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåIluhin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåIluhin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåIluhin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåIluhin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåIluhin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåIluhin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåIluhin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåIluhin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Îêñàíà Âëàäèìèðîâíà, íó ïîíÿòíî æå, ÷òî îòñòóòñòâèå îòåêà íå ìîæåò ãàðàíòèðîâàòü íàëè÷èå ïîëíîé ðåêàíàëèçàöèè. Õî÷ó íàïîìíèòü, ÷òî êàñàòåëüíî ãëóáîêèõ âåí íåò äàæå ïðèìåðíîãî îðèåíòèðà - êàêàÿ ñòåïåíü ñòåíîçà ÿâëÿåòñÿ ãåìîäèíàìè÷åñêè çíà÷èìîé. Ýòî, êñòàòè, ñîçäàåò ïðîáëåìû â îöåíêå ðåçóëüòàòîâ ëþáîãî ìåòîäà âèçóàëèçàöèè, â òîì ÷èñëå è IVUS.
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Èëþõèí Åâãåíèé Àðêàäüåâè÷
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #18  
Ñòàðûé 13.03.2013, 22:35
Àâàòàð äëÿ Iluhin
Iluhin Iluhin âíå ôîðóìà
ÂÐÀ×
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 24.03.2006
Ãîðîä: Ñàíêò-Ïåòåðáóðã
Ñîîáùåíèé: 5,879
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 9
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 1,327 ðàç(à) çà 1,195 ñîîáùåíèé
Iluhin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåIluhin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåIluhin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåIluhin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåIluhin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåIluhin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåIluhin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåIluhin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåIluhin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåIluhin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåIluhin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Öèòàòà:
Íà ñ÷åò äðóãèõ ñèòóàöèé: òðîìáîç â àíàìíåçå ñàì ïî ñåáå âêëþ÷àåò ïàöèåíòêó â ãðóïïó âûñîêîãî ðèñêà ÂÒÝÎ
ÀÔÑ è, ê ïðèìåðó, ïîëèìîðôèçì Ëåéäåí òðåáóþò íåìíîãî ðàçíîãî âåäåíèÿ, íå òàê ëè?
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Èëþõèí Åâãåíèé Àðêàäüåâè÷
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #19  
Ñòàðûé 14.03.2013, 00:55
Àâàòàð äëÿ Iluhin
Iluhin Iluhin âíå ôîðóìà
ÂÐÀ×
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 24.03.2006
Ãîðîä: Ñàíêò-Ïåòåðáóðã
Ñîîáùåíèé: 5,879
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 9
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 1,327 ðàç(à) çà 1,195 ñîîáùåíèé
Iluhin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåIluhin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåIluhin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåIluhin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåIluhin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåIluhin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåIluhin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåIluhin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåIluhin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåIluhin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåIluhin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Handbook of Venous Disorders Guidelines of the American Venous Forum, Third Edition. 2009. Peter Gloviczki
Öèòàòà:
VTE occurring at < 50 years of age, even in the presence
of transient risk factors
VTE occurring during pregnancy or oral contraceptive/
hormone replacement therapy
Äëÿ ÷åãî ìîæåò áûòü ïîëåçíî? Íàïðèìåð, ïðè ïëàíèðîâàíèè ñëåäóþùåé áåðåìåííîñòè. Êàê ðàñöåíèâàòü ðèñê ðåöèäèâà - óìåðåííûé, âûñîêèé, î÷åíü âûñîêèé? Âåñòè ëè áåðåìåííîñòü íà ÍÌÃ? Âûÿâëåíèå êîìïàóäíîé "òÿæåëîé" òðîìáîôèëèè âïîëíå ìîæåò ñêëîíèòü ÷àøó â ñòîðîíó àíòèêîàãóëÿöèè â òå÷åíèå âñåé áåðåìåííîñòè.
Èç ACCP 9:
Öèòàòà:
women who had their first VTE associated with pregnancy or
the postpartum period had a higher risk of recurrence during a subsequent pregnancy than women with an unprovoked first VTE (ie, 4.5% vs 2.7%; RR, 1.71; 95% CI, 1.0-2.8)
Õî÷ó çàìåòèòü, ÷òî óðîâåíü äîêàçàòåëüíîñòè â ïîäîáíûõ ðàçäåëàõ äîñòàòî÷íî íèçêèé - ìàêñèìóì - 2B.
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Èëþõèí Åâãåíèé Àðêàäüåâè÷
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #20  
Ñòàðûé 14.03.2013, 10:46
BukinaOV BukinaOV âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Ó÷àñòíèê ôîðóìà
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 11.07.2010
Ãîðîä: Òàìáîâ
Ñîîáùåíèé: 150
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 4
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 26 ðàç(à) çà 26 ñîîáùåíèé
BukinaOV ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåBukinaOV ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò Iluhin Ïîñìîòðåòü ñîîáùåíèå
Õî÷ó íàïîìíèòü, ÷òî êàñàòåëüíî ãëóáîêèõ âåí íåò äàæå ïðèìåðíîãî îðèåíòèðà - êàêàÿ ñòåïåíü ñòåíîçà ÿâëÿåòñÿ ãåìîäèíàìè÷åñêè çíà÷èìîé. Ýòî, êñòàòè, ñîçäàåò ïðîáëåìû â îöåíêå ðåçóëüòàòîâ ëþáîãî ìåòîäà âèçóàëèçàöèè, â òîì ÷èñëå è IVUS.
Íå âèæó ïîêàçàíèé ó äàííîé ïàöèåíòêè òàê óãëóáëÿòüñÿ â âèçóàëèçàöèþ âåí. Êàêîé áû ó íåå ïðîöåíò ñòåíîçà íå áûë, íà ÷òî ýòî ìîæåò ïîâëèÿòü?
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #21  
Ñòàðûé 14.03.2013, 10:59
BukinaOV BukinaOV âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Ó÷àñòíèê ôîðóìà
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 11.07.2010
Ãîðîä: Òàìáîâ
Ñîîáùåíèé: 150
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 4
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 26 ðàç(à) çà 26 ñîîáùåíèé
BukinaOV ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåBukinaOV ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò Iluhin Ïîñìîòðåòü ñîîáùåíèå
Èç ACCP 9:women who had their first VTE associated with pregnancy or
the postpartum period had a higher risk of recurrence during a subsequent pregnancy than women with an unprovoked first VTE (ie, 4.5% vs 2.7%; RR, 1.71; 95% CI, 1.0-2.8)
Èç Âàøåé ññûëêè ñëåäóåò, ÷òî ó æåíùèí, ó êîòîðûõ Òàâîçíèê âî âðåìÿ áåðåìåííîñòè èëè ïîñëå ðîäîâ, âî âðåìÿ ñëåäóþùåé áåðåìåííîñòè íåîáõîäèìà àíòèêîàãóëÿöèÿ. Çà÷åì òîãäà èñêàòü òðîìáîôèëèþ, åñëè â ëþáîì ñëó÷àå íà âåñü ïåðèîä áåðåìåííîñòè áóäåò íàçíà÷åí ÍÌÃ?
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #22  
Ñòàðûé 14.03.2013, 16:16
Àâàòàð äëÿ Dr.Vad
Dr.Vad Dr.Vad íà ôîðóìå
Ìîäåðàòîð ôîðóìà ïî ãåìàòîëîãèè
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 16.01.2003
Ãîðîä: Õüþñòîí, Òåõàñ
Ñîîáùåíèé: 80,470
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 33,268 ðàç(à) çà 31,616 ñîîáùåíèé
Dr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
 ïîðÿäêå äèñêóññèè ïðèâåäó ôðàãìåíò íåäàâíî îïóáëèêîâàííîãî ýêñïåðòíîãî (àâòîð, íàïðèìåð, íåäàâíî îïóáëèêîâàë(à) â Áëàäå "Êàê ÿ ëå÷ó ÒÃÂ, âîçíèêøèé â ïåðèîä áåðåìåííîñòè") îáçîðà, êîòîðûé ñ ïîçèöèè äîêàçàòåëüíîé ìåäèöèíû ñòàâèò ïîä ñîìíåíèå òàêîå òåñòèðîâàíèå íà òðîìáîôèëèþ â ðóòèííîì ïîðÿäêå, ïîêà íå áóäóò ïîëó÷åíû óáåäèòåëüíûå äàííûå, ÷òî ïðîäëåííîå íàçíà÷åíèå ÀÊ ïàöèåíòàì ñ òðîìáîôèëèåé äåéñòâèòåëüíî äàåò ýêñöåññ áåíåôèòîâ íàä îñëîæíåíèÿìè:

In general, after a first episode of venous thrombosis, 3–6 months of anticoagulant therapy is considered to have the optimal balance between the risk of treatment (bleeding) and the benefit (prevention of an extension or recurrence of venous thrombosis) [20]. In the absence of trials that compared routine and prolonged anticoagulant treatment in patients testing positive for thrombophilia, prolonged anticoagulant therapy cannot be justified as it may cause more harm than benefit.
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Evidence-based approach to thrombophilia testing
[Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ]
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Èñêðåííå,
Âàäèì Âàëåðüåâè÷.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #23  
Ñòàðûé 14.03.2013, 17:47
Àâàòàð äëÿ Iluhin
Iluhin Iluhin âíå ôîðóìà
ÂÐÀ×
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 24.03.2006
Ãîðîä: Ñàíêò-Ïåòåðáóðã
Ñîîáùåíèé: 5,879
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 9
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 1,327 ðàç(à) çà 1,195 ñîîáùåíèé
Iluhin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåIluhin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåIluhin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåIluhin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåIluhin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåIluhin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåIluhin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåIluhin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåIluhin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåIluhin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåIluhin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò BukinaOV Ïîñìîòðåòü ñîîáùåíèå
Íå âèæó ïîêàçàíèé ó äàííîé ïàöèåíòêè òàê óãëóáëÿòüñÿ â âèçóàëèçàöèþ âåí. Êàêîé áû ó íåå ïðîöåíò ñòåíîçà íå áûë, íà ÷òî ýòî ìîæåò ïîâëèÿòü?
Îêñàíà Âëàäèìèðîâíà, Âû êàê-áóäòî íå õîòèòå ïîíÿòü, ÷òî ÿ ãîâîðþ, õîòÿ ìíå êàçàëîñü ÷òî ÿ äîñòàòî÷íî ÿñíî âûðàæàþñü.
Ïðè ÷åì òóò ïðîöåíò ñòåíîçà? ß èìåë ââèäó, ÷òî äàæå âûðàæåííûé ñòåíîç ìîæåò áûòü ãåìîäèíàìè÷åñêè íåçíà÷èìûì - çíà÷èò íå ïðèâîäèòü ê îòåêàì. Çíà÷èò ïî îòñóòñòâèþ îòåêà íåëüçÿ ñóäèòü î íàëè÷èè èëè îòñóòñòâèè òðîìáîòè÷åñêèõ ìàññ â âåíå, à îíè ÿâëÿþòñÿ ôàêòîðàìè ðèñêà ðåöèäèâà ÒÃÂ. Ïîýòîìó áîëåå "ïðîçðà÷íîå" îïèñàíèå ñîñòîÿíèÿ âåí áûëî áû óìåñòíî, íà ìîé âçãëÿä.
Ïî òðîìáîôèëèè. Ôàêò ïåðåíåñåííîãî òðîìáîçà, àññîöèèðîâàííîãî ñ áåðåìåííîñòüþ, íå ÿâëÿåòñÿ áåçóñëîâíûì ïîêàçàíèåì ê àíòèêîàãóëÿöèè â òå÷åíèå âñåé ñëåäóþùåé áåðåìåííîñòè. Îíà öåëåñîîáðàçíà (we suggest), íî, êàê ÿ ïîíèìàþ, ýòî òî ïîëîæåíèå, íà ðàâíîâåñèå êîòîðîãî ìîãóò ïîâëèÿòü äîïîëíèòåëüíûå ôàêòîðû. Ïîñåìó òàêè ñ÷èòàþ, ÷òî îáñëåäîâàíèå íà òðîìáîôèëèþ ïîêàçàíî. Ïðè÷åì, â ýòîì âîïðîñå ïðîñòî íå ìîæåò áûòü îäíîçíà÷íîãî êàòåãîðè÷íîãî îòâåòà è ðåêîìåíäàöèè - âñå áóäåò îêîí÷àòåëüíî ðåøàòüñÿ êîíêðåòíûì ñïåöèàëèñòîì íà ìåñòàõ.
Öèòàòà:
For pregnant women at moderate to high risk of recurrent VTE (single unprovoked VTE, pregnancy- or estrogen-related VTE, or multiple prior unprovoked VTE not receiving long-term anticoagulation), we suggest antepartum prophylaxis with prophylactic- or intermediate dose LMWH rather than clinical vigilance or routine care (Grade 2C).
Áåðåìåííûì ñ óìåðåííûì/âûñîêèì ðèñêîì ðåöèäèâà ÂÒÝÎ (îäíîêðàòíûé íåñïðîâîöèðîâàííûé ýïèçîä ÂÒÝÎ, ýïèçîä ÂÒÝÎ àññîöèèðîâàííûé ñ áåðåìåííîñòüþ èëè ïðèåìîì ýñòðîãåíîâ, ìíîæåñòâåííûå íåñïðîâîöèðîâàííûå ýïèçîäû ÂÒÝÎ) íå ïîëó÷àþùèì àíòèêîàãóëÿíòû öåëåñîîáðàçíà äîðîäîâàÿ àíòèêîàãóëÿöèÿ ïðîôèëàêòè÷åñêèìè/ñðåäíèìè äîçàìè ÍÌÃ.
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Èëþõèí Åâãåíèé Àðêàäüåâè÷
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #24  
Ñòàðûé 14.03.2013, 18:32
Àâàòàð äëÿ Dr.Vad
Dr.Vad Dr.Vad íà ôîðóìå
Ìîäåðàòîð ôîðóìà ïî ãåìàòîëîãèè
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 16.01.2003
Ãîðîä: Õüþñòîí, Òåõàñ
Ñîîáùåíèé: 80,470
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 33,268 ðàç(à) çà 31,616 ñîîáùåíèé
Dr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Èíòåðåñíûé ìîìåíò: ïðè ñðàâíåíèè ðåêîìåíäàöèé ACCP (ãäå àâòîð ó÷àñòâîâàëà êàê îäèí èç ýêñïåðòîâ):

9.2.1. For pregnant women with no prior history of VTE who are known to be homozygous for factor V Leiden or the prothrombin 20210A mutation and have a positive family history for VTE, we suggest antepartum prophylaxis with prophylactic- or intermediate-dose LMWH and postpartum prophylaxis for 6 weeks with prophylactic- or intermediate-dose LMWH or vitamin K antagonists targeted at INR 2.0 to 3.0 rather than no prophylaxis (Grade 2B).

òîãäà êàê äëÿ âñåõ îñòàëüíûõ òðîìáîôèëèé (à çíà÷èò è äåôèöèò íàòóðàëüíûõ àíòèêîàãóëÿíòîâ) -

9.2.2. For pregnant women with all other thrombophilias and no prior VTE who have a positive family history for VTE, we suggest antepartum clinical vigilance...

è ôðàãìåíò èç åå ïóáëèêàöèè Evidence-based approach to thrombophilia testing

Only for women with antithrombin, protein C or protein S deficiency, or those who are homozygous for factor V Leiden, the risks during pregnancy may outweigh the nuisance of daily subcutaneous low-molecular-weight heparin injections and skin reactions, and the very small risk for severe complications of anticoagulant therapy during pregnancy [40–42].
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Èñêðåííå,
Âàäèì Âàëåðüåâè÷.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #25  
Ñòàðûé 14.03.2013, 18:59
Àâàòàð äëÿ Dr.Vad
Dr.Vad Dr.Vad íà ôîðóìå
Ìîäåðàòîð ôîðóìà ïî ãåìàòîëîãèè
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 16.01.2003
Ãîðîä: Õüþñòîí, Òåõàñ
Ñîîáùåíèé: 80,470
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 33,268 ðàç(à) çà 31,616 ñîîáùåíèé
Dr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Åùå äåòàëü: â çíàìåíèòîì èññëåäîâàíèè

Blood. 2011 Aug 25;118(8):2055-61
Thrombotic risk during oral contraceptive use and pregnancy in women with factor V Leiden or prothrombin mutation: a rational approach to contraception.

ãäå îöåíèâàëàñü ÷àñòîòà âîçíèêíîâåíèÿ ïåðâîãî òðîìáîçà ó æåíùèí-ðîäñòâåííèêîâ òðîìáîôèëèêîâ âî âðåìÿ áåðåìåííîñòè (÷àñòîòà òðîìáîçà 7.65% â ãîä ïðè íàëè÷èè êîìáèíèðîâàííîãî äåôåêòà) áûëî ïðîñëåæåíî 50 æåíùèí â òå÷åíèå 24 ëåò â ñðåäíåì, èç êîòîðûõ:

14 homozygote carriers of factor V Leiden, of whom 3 were also heterozygous for prothrombin G20210A, and 4 homozygote carriers of the prothrombin G20210A mutation...

à çíà÷èò îñòàëüíûå 50 - 14 - 4 = 32 (64%) áûëè äâîéíûå ãåòåðîçèãîòû ïî ýòèì ìóòàöèÿì...

òî åñòü åñëè ãîâîðèòü î ðåêîìåíäàöèÿõ ACCP, èçëîæåííûõ âûøå: "be homozygous for factor V Leiden or the prothrombin 20210A mutation", òî îíè äîëæíû íà÷èíàòüñÿ ñ äâîéíûõ ãåòåðîçèãîò, à ïîòîì òîëüêî ãîìîçîãîòû ïî äð. ìóòàöèÿì, òàê êàê ãîìîçèãîòíûå ìóòàöèè êðàéíå ðåäêè (îñîáåííî ïðîòðîìáèíîâàÿ) è áîëüøèíñòâîì ìàòåðèàëà äëÿ îöåíêè ðèñêà òðîìáîçà ïîñëóæèëè èìåííî äâîéíûå ãåòåðîçèãîòû...
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Èñêðåííå,
Âàäèì Âàëåðüåâè÷.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #26  
Ñòàðûé 14.03.2013, 19:48
BukinaOV BukinaOV âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Ó÷àñòíèê ôîðóìà
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 11.07.2010
Ãîðîä: Òàìáîâ
Ñîîáùåíèé: 150
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 4
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 26 ðàç(à) çà 26 ñîîáùåíèé
BukinaOV ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåBukinaOV ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò Iluhin Ïîñìîòðåòü ñîîáùåíèå
òðîìáîòè÷åñêèå ìàññû â âåíå ÿâëÿþòñÿ ôàêòîðàìè ðèñêà ðåöèäèâà ÒÃÂ
Åâãåíèé Àðêàäüåâè÷, ÿ áûëà áû Âàì î÷åíü áëàãîäàðíà, åñëè áû Âû ïîäòâåðäèëè ýòî âûñêàçûâàíèå ðåçóëüòàòàìè êàêèõ-ëèáî èññëåäîâàíèé.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #27  
Ñòàðûé 14.03.2013, 20:07
Àâàòàð äëÿ Iluhin
Iluhin Iluhin âíå ôîðóìà
ÂÐÀ×
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 24.03.2006
Ãîðîä: Ñàíêò-Ïåòåðáóðã
Ñîîáùåíèé: 5,879
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 9
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 1,327 ðàç(à) çà 1,195 ñîîáùåíèé
Iluhin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåIluhin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåIluhin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåIluhin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåIluhin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåIluhin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåIluhin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåIluhin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåIluhin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåIluhin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåIluhin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Ïðåäëàãàþ ïîñìîòðåòü â Ïàáìåäå.
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Èëþõèí Åâãåíèé Àðêàäüåâè÷
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #28  
Ñòàðûé 14.03.2013, 20:53
BukinaOV BukinaOV âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Ó÷àñòíèê ôîðóìà
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 11.07.2010
Ãîðîä: Òàìáîâ
Ñîîáùåíèé: 150
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 4
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 26 ðàç(à) çà 26 ñîîáùåíèé
BukinaOV ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåBukinaOV ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò Iluhin Ïîñìîòðåòü ñîîáùåíèå
Ïðåäëàãàþ ïîñìîòðåòü â Ïàáìåäå.
×òî ñìîòðåòü?
Âû óâåðåííî çàÿâëÿåòå, ÷òî íåïîëíàÿ ðåêàíàëèçàöèÿ ÿâëÿåòñÿ ôàêòîðîì ðèñêà ïîâòîðíîãî òðîìáîçà. ß ñïðàøèâàþ, íà îñíîâàíèè ÷åãî ñäåëàíî òàêîå çàêëþ÷åíèå. À Âû ìåíÿ â Ïàáìåä ïîñûëàåòå.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #29  
Ñòàðûé 14.03.2013, 21:39
Àâàòàð äëÿ Dr.Vad
Dr.Vad Dr.Vad íà ôîðóìå
Ìîäåðàòîð ôîðóìà ïî ãåìàòîëîãèè
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 16.01.2003
Ãîðîä: Õüþñòîí, Òåõàñ
Ñîîáùåíèé: 80,470
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 33,268 ðàç(à) çà 31,616 ñîîáùåíèé
Dr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Óâàæàåìàÿ Îêñàíà Âëàäèìèðîâíà,

 ñâîåì îáçîðå "Natural History of Venous Thromboembolism" Clive Kearon äàåò 2 ññûëêè íà ïîäîáíûå èññëåäîâàíèÿ:

The cumulative incidence of normal results on ultrasonography was 38.8% at 6 months, 58.1% at 12 months, 69.3% at 24 months, and 73.8% at 36 months. Of 58 recurrent episodes, 41 occurred while the patient had residual thrombosis. The hazard ratio for recurrent thromboembolism was 2.4 (95% CI, 1.3 to 4.4; P = 0.004) for patients with persistent residual thrombosis versus those with early vein recanalization.
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Ann Intern Med. 2002 Dec 17;137(12):955-60.
Residual venous thrombosis as a predictive factor of recurrent venous thromboembolism.

ïëþñ

The absence of previous C-US normalization was the only predictor of recurrence or new thrombosis occurring after 3 and 6 months from the index DVT (OR 5.26, p 0.027). INTERPRETATION AND CONCLUSIONS: Absence of C-US normalization after a first episode of DVT appears to be a factor favoring recurrence or new thrombosis and may be relevant to the optimal duration of oral anticoagulant treatment.

Normalization rates of compression ultrasonography in patients with a first episode of deep vein thrombosis of the lower limbs: association with recurrence and new thrombosis
[Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ]

âî âòîðîé ïóáëèêàöèè åñòü ñïèñîê ðàáîò, ãäå ïðîöèòèðîâàíà äàííàÿ ðàáîòà ïî ïîõîæåé òåìàòèêå, íàïð.:

Residual vein thrombosis to establish duration of anticoagulation after a first episode of deep vein thrombosis: the Duration of Anticoagulation based on Compression UltraSonography (DACUS) study

Residual thrombosis was detected in 180 (69.8%) of 258 patients; recurrent events occurred in 27.2% of those who discontinued (25/92; 15.2% person-years) and 19.3% of those who continued OAT (17/88; 10.1% person-years). The relative adjusted hazard ratio (HR) was 1.58 (95% confidence interval [CI], 0.85-2.93; P = .145). Of the 78 (30.2%) patients without RVT, only 1 (1.3%; 0.63% person-years) had a recurrence. The adjusted HR of patients with RVT versus those without was 24.9 (95% CI, 3.4-183.6; P = .002).

[Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ]
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Ñòàðûé 14.03.2013, 21:47
Àâàòàð äëÿ Dr.Vad
Dr.Vad Dr.Vad íà ôîðóìå
Ìîäåðàòîð ôîðóìà ïî ãåìàòîëîãèè
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 16.01.2003
Ãîðîä: Õüþñòîí, Òåõàñ
Ñîîáùåíèé: 80,470
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 33,268 ðàç(à) çà 31,616 ñîîáùåíèé
Dr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Ýòè è äð. ïóáëèêàöèè ñóììèðîâàíû â îáçîðå, îïóáëèêîâàííîì â ATVB 2009 â ãëàâå Residual Venous Thrombosis (ñòð. 11)
Venous Thromboembolism: Risk Factors for Recurrence
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