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Ñòàðûé 09.05.2008, 16:31
rosetta rosetta âíå ôîðóìà Ïîë æåíñêèé
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ÄÊÌÏ èëè äèôôóçíûé ìèîêàðäèò?

Óâàæàåìûå êîëëåãè! Ïîçâîëüòå ïðåäñòàâèòü âàì êëèíè÷åñêèé ñëó÷àé: ìóæ÷èíà, 70 ëåò, ñîïóòñòâóþùèå çàáîëåâàíèÿ - áðîíõèàëüíàÿ àñòìà (îáîñòðåíèÿ ðåäêèå íà èçâåñòíûé àëëåðãåí), ñàõàðíûé äèàáåò 2 òèïà, êîìïåíñèðîâàííûé, ðåäêèå ïîâûøåíèÿ ÀÄ äî 180/90 ìì ðò. ñò. (àäàïòèðîâàí ê 130-140/80ìì ðò. ñò. ), òèïè÷íûå ïðèñòóïû ñòåíîêàðäèè íå îïèñûâàåò. Çàáîëåë îñòðî 28 ÿíâàðÿ 2008ã ïîñëå êóïàíèÿ â ëåäÿíîì ïðîðóáå: â òå÷åíèå íåäåëè Ò 40Ñ, ÷åðåç íåêîòîðîå âðåìÿ ïðèñîåäèíèëèñü îòåêè íîã è îäûøêà, íå êóïèðóþùàÿñÿ ñàëüáóòàìîëîì (êàê îáû÷íî). Ñòàöèîíàðíî îáñëåäîâàí ïî ìåñòó æèòåëüñòâà, ïðèçíàêîâ îáîñòðåíèÿ ÁÀ íå íàáëþäàëîñü, âïåðâûå âûÿâëåíà äåêîìïåíñàöèÿ ÕÑÍ (Ô 41%, ÌÐ 3ñò) - äàííûå âûïèñêè íåäîñòàòî÷íûå, íàçíà÷åíà òåðàïèÿ - âåðàïàìèë, âåðîøïèðîí, òðîìáîàññ, ýíàëàïðèë. Ñ öåëüþ ðåøåíèÿ îáñëåäîâàíèÿ è ëå÷åíèÿ ãîñïèòàëèçèðîâàí â ñòàöèîíàð. Ïðè îñìîòðå êëèíè÷åñêèå ïðèçíàêè çàñòîÿ ïî ìàëîìó è áîëüøîìó êðóãó êðîâîîáðàùåíèÿ, ÀÄ 100-110/70 ìì ðò. ñò., ×ÑÑ 90-100 â ìèí (íà ôîíå ïðèåìà 240 ìã âåðàïàìèëà), ÝÕÎ-Êà - Ô 30% (ïî Ñèìïñîíó), ÊÄÐ 7,6ñì, ÊÑÐ 6,2ñì, ÊÄÎ 307 ìë, âûðàæåííàÿ äèëàòàöèÿ âñåõ ïîëîñòåé, ëåâûé æåëóäî÷åê "øàðîîáðàçíîé ôîðìû". ÕÌ ÝÊà - 1438 ÆÝ 5 ìîðôîëîãè÷åñêèõ êëàññîâ, 3 ýïèçîäà ÆÒ èç 4-õ êîìïëåêñîâ. Íà ÝÊà – ñèíóñîâàÿ òàõèêàðäèÿ, ÁÏÂËÍÏÃ, äèôôóçíûå èçìåíåíèÿ ìèîêàðäà. Îñòðîôàçîâûå ïîêàçàòåëè – ÑÐÁ, àíòè-Î-ñòðåïòîëèçèí, ÐÔ ëàòåêñ - îòðèöàòåëüíûå, èììóíîãëîáóëèíû À, Ì, G â ïðåäåëàõ íîðìû, ãîðìîíû ùèòîâèäíîé æåëåçû â ïðåäåëàõ íîðìû. ÑÎÝ – 9 ìì/÷àñ, ï/ÿ - 2%. Áèîïñèÿ ñî ñëèçèñòîé ùåêè íà àìèëîèäîç â ðàáîòå. Àíàëèç íà àíòèòåëà ê âèðóñó Ýïøòåéí-Áàðð, ÂÏÃ, ÀÒ ê ÄÍÊ, ÀÍÔ, ìèêîáàêòåðèÿì òóáåðêóëåçà îòðèöàòåëüíûå., ÊÒ ãðóäíîé êëåòêè - ãèïåðïëàçèÿ ëèìôàòè÷åñêèõ óçëîâ ñðåäîñòåíèÿ. Íà ôîíå ïðîâîäèìîé òåðàïèè (ñ ó÷åòîì òåíäåíöèè ê ãèïîòîíèè) óëó÷øèëîñü êëèíè÷åñêîå ñîñòîÿíèå: âåðàïàìèë 120 ìã/ñóò., ýíàëàïðèë 5ìã/ñóò., âåðîøïèðîí 75ìã/ñóò., ôóðîñåìèä 80ìã/íåä., ãèïîòèàçèä 25ìã/ñóò., àòîðèñ 20ìã/ñóò., òðîìáîàññ 100ìã/ñóò., ïðåäóêòàë. Íà ýòîì ôîíå ×ÑÑ 80-90 â ìèí., ÀÄ 90-100/70-80 ìì ðò. ñò.
Óâàæàåìûå êîëëåãè, âàøå ìíåíèå ïî äèàãíîçó: ÄÊÌÏ èëè îñòðûé ìèîêàðäèò? Ìîã ëè ìóæ÷èíà äîæèòü äî 70 ëåò, íå çíàÿ î ÄÊÌÏ èëè ýòî ïîñëåäñòâèÿ îñòðîãî ìèîêàðäèòà â 70 ëåò? Ñ ó÷åòîì âûÿâëåííûõ èçìåíåíèé íà ÕÌ, ãèïîòîíèè, áðîíõèàëüíîé àñòìû è òåíäåíöèåé ê òàõèêàðäèè ïðåïàðàòîì âûáîðà ÿâëÿåòñÿ êîðàêñàí èëè êîðäàðîí?
Ñïàñèáî çà âàøè îòâåòû!
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
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Ñòàðûé 09.05.2008, 16:46
Àâàòàð äëÿ Dr.
Dr. Dr. âíå ôîðóìà
Ïî÷åòíûé ó÷àñòíèê ôîðóìà
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 29.07.2004
Ãîðîä: Ìîñêâà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 10,123
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 446 ðàç(à) çà 427 ñîîáùåíèé
Dr. ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Ïðåïàðàòîì âûáîðà, ñ ó÷åòîì àñòìû, áóäåò ÿâëÿòüñÿ áèñîïðîëîë, ëå÷èòü ÕÑÍ ñ Ô 30% âåðàïàìèëîì - êàêîé-òî ñòðàííûé ïîäõîä, à êîðàêñàí äî âñåãî ýòîãî åùå å äîðîñ À ó ïàöèåíòà 70 ëåò, ãèïåðõîëåñòåðèíåìèåé, ñ àíàìíåçîì ñàõàðíîãî äèàáåòà è (ðåäêèìè?) ïîäúåìàìè ÀÄ, êóïàþùåãîñÿ â ïðîðóáè âïîëíå âîçìîæíà ïðîñòî èøåìè÷åñêàÿ êàðäèîìèîïàòèÿ...("Most patients with ischemic cardiomyopathy have known coronary heart disease. However, occult disease is a not uncommon cause of DCM"), ïðîñòî èìåëî ìåñòî äåêîìïåíñàöèÿ ÕÑÍ íà ôîíå áðîíõîëåãî÷íîé èíôåêöèè

Êîììåíòàðèè ê ñîîáùåíèþ:
riltsov îäîáðèë(à):
acha îäîáðèë(à):
birdname îäîáðèë(à):
Straus îäîáðèë(à): íàèáîëåå âåðîÿòíûé ñöåíàðèé.
Tarja îäîáðèë(à):
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
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Ñòàðûé 09.05.2008, 18:04
ozinvev ozinvev âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Âðà÷-ó÷àñòíèê ôîðóìà
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 22.01.2007
Ãîðîä: Ìîñêâà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 1,378
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 198 ðàç(à) çà 196 ñîîáùåíèé
ozinvev ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåozinvev ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåozinvev ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåozinvev ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåozinvev ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåozinvev ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåozinvev ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåozinvev ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåozinvev ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåozinvev ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåozinvev ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Áèñîïðîëîë - ñìåëî ïðè áðîíõèàëüíîé àñòìå. Ñèäåòü â òþðüìå ïðèä¸òñÿ ëå÷àùåìó âðà÷ó. Êàê ïðîêóðîðó îáúÿñíèøü, ÷òî â-áëîêåð â äàííîé ñèòóàöèè ìîã ïîìî÷ü, åñëè â àííîòàöèè ê ïðåïàðàòó íàïèñàíî, ÷òî ÁÀ - ïðîòèâîïîêàçàíèå?
Ìîé ëè÷íûé îïûò ïåðâîãî íàçíà÷åíèÿ âñåãäà áûë îòðèöàòåëüíûì - ïðîâîöèðîâàëàñü áðîíõîîáñòðóêöèÿ. Íî ïðèõîäèëîñü ïðîäîëæàòü òåðàïèþ â-áëîêåðîì íà ôîíå ïåðîðàëüíîé ÃÊÑ-òåðàïèè ïðè ÁÀ.
Ñ îñòàëüíûì ñîãëàñåí.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
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Ñòàðûé 09.05.2008, 18:11
acha acha âíå ôîðóìà
Âåòåðàí ôîðóìà
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 04.04.2006
Ãîðîä: Ðîññèÿ
Ñîîáùåíèé: 3,714
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 2
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 237 ðàç(à) çà 233 ñîîáùåíèé
acha ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåacha ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåacha ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåacha ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåacha ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåacha ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåacha ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåacha ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåacha ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåacha ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåacha ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
ïðè òèðîâàíèè äîçû ìîæíî èñêëþ÷èòü òåõ ó êîãî ëþáàÿ äîçà áëîêåðà âûçûâàåò áðîíõîîáñòðóêöèþ. ïðèìåíåíèå áèñî ïðè ÁÀ ýòî äàëåêî íå ðåäêîñòü.
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Ñòàðûé 09.05.2008, 18:24
Kira1975 Kira1975 âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Ïîñòîÿííûé ó÷àñòíèê
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 20.04.2007
Ãîðîä: ã.Ìûòèùè Ìîñê. îáë
Ñîîáùåíèé: 369
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 48 ðàç(à) çà 44 ñîîáùåíèé
Kira1975 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåKira1975 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåKira1975 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåKira1975 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåKira1975 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåKira1975 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåKira1975 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåKira1975 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåKira1975 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåKira1975 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåKira1975 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Ñîãëàñíà ñ áèñîïðîëîëîì, âïîëíå ìîæíî ñ ìàëåíüêîé äîçû ïîïðîáîâàòü. Îäíàêî, â äàííîì ñëó÷àå Ô - 30%, ÊÄÎ áîëüøå 300 ìë, íåóñòîé÷èâàÿ ÆÒ, ÿ áû ïîäóìàëà ïðî êîðäàðîí, ÷òî íå îòìåíÿåò áèñî, ðàçóìååòñÿ. Ïðî ÈÊÄ ìîë÷ó, íåðåàëüíî, ñêîðåå âñåãî. Ìàëûå äîçû ãëèêîçèäîâ, èìõî, òîæå èìåþò ïðàâî áûòü, ïðè óñëîâèè íîðìàëüíîãî êðåàòèíèíà è îòñóòñòâèè ãèïîêàëèåìèè. Ñõåìà íàçíà÷åíèÿ äèóðåòèêîâ ñòðàííàÿ, ìÿãêî ãîâîðÿ: ôóðîñåìèä 80 ìã â íåäåëþ , à âîò ãèïîòèàçèä ïàöèåíòó ñ ÑÄ áåç ãèïåðòîíèè êàæäûé äåíü.

Ñ óâàæåíèåì, Êèðà.

Êîììåíòàðèè ê ñîîáùåíèþ:
acha îäîáðèë(à):
riltsov îäîáðèë(à):
Hypericum îäîáðèë(à):
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
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Ñòàðûé 09.05.2008, 20:07
Àâàòàð äëÿ Dr.
Dr. Dr. âíå ôîðóìà
Ïî÷åòíûé ó÷àñòíèê ôîðóìà
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 29.07.2004
Ãîðîä: Ìîñêâà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 10,123
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 446 ðàç(à) çà 427 ñîîáùåíèé
Dr. ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Ìû íå áîèìñÿ íèêàêèõ ïðîêóðîðîâ, òåì áîëåå ÷òî àñòìà òàì êàêàÿ-òî êîïåå÷íàÿ. Áèñîïðîëîë ñ òàêîé ôðàêöèåé òèòðóåòñÿ ñ î÷åíü ìàëåíüêèõ äîç. Âîò áîìáèòü ïàöèåíòà ñ òÿæåëîé ÇÑÍ ïðîèçâîäíûìè ôåíèëàëêèëàìèíà - ýòî òî÷íî íåäîñòîéíî äæåäàÿ . 240 ìã - ýòî îíè åìó õîðîøî çàäàëè ïåðöó. Âñåãäà íàçíà÷àþ êîíêîð è íèêîãäà ïî ýòîìó ïîâîäó íå íàïðÿãàþñü. Áûâàåò, ïðîâîöèðóåò, ÷àùå - íåò.

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Ñòàðûé 09.05.2008, 20:10
Àâàòàð äëÿ Dr.
Dr. Dr. âíå ôîðóìà
Ïî÷åòíûé ó÷àñòíèê ôîðóìà
      
 
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Dr. ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Êñòàòè, 75 ìã â ñóòêè ñïèðîíîëàêòîíà - íå ìíîãî ëè? Îáû÷íî âñå æå 25-50 ìã, êîëëåãè çàìå÷àþò, ÷òî íà åæåäíåâíûé ïðèåì ëó÷øå îñòàâèòü íåáîëüøèå äîçû ôóðîñåìèäà, à íå ãèïîòèàçèäà - ââèäó ñàõàðíîãî äèàåòà

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Ñòàðûé 09.05.2008, 23:54
Àâàòàð äëÿ Hypericum
Hypericum Hypericum âíå ôîðóìà Ïîë ìóæñêîé
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Hypericum ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåHypericum ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåHypericum ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåHypericum ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåHypericum ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåHypericum ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåHypericum ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåHypericum ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåHypericum ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåHypericum ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåHypericum ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Êîëëåãè, ïîêàæèòå ïîæàëóéñòà, ãäå íàïèñàíî, ÷òî áèñîïðîëîë "ñ ó÷åòîì àñòìû" ÿâëÿåòñÿ ïðåïàðàòîì âûáîðà. ß â öåëîì ñîãëàñåí, ÷òî áèñîïðîëîë ìîæíî ïðîáîâàòü, íî Îëåã Âàëåíòèíîâè÷ âî ìíîãîì ïðàâ, âî âñÿêîì ñëó÷àå ôîðìóëèðîâêà äîëæíà áûòü äðóãîé. Ïèñàòü, ÷òî îí ÿâëÿåòñÿ ïðåïàðàòîì âûáîðà íå ñîâñåì êîððåêòíî. Ê ñëîâó, îêîëî ãîäà íàçàä ìíå ïðèøëîñü çàñòóïàòüñÿ çà êîëëåãó-òåðàïåâòà ïåðåä äåïàðòàìåíòîì çäðàâîîõðàíåíèÿ èìåííî èç-çà ïîäîáíîãî íàçíà÷åíèÿ. Îáúÿñíèòåëüíàÿ áûëà î÷åíü äëèííîé... À òåðàïåâòà ëèøèëè ïðåìèè. È ýòî åùå ëåãêî îòäåëàëèñü.

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Kira1975 îäîáðèë(à): Äóìàþ, òàêàÿ ôîðìóëèðîâêà îò÷àñòè áûëà ðåàêöèåé íà ëå÷åíèå ïàöèåíòà âåðàïàìèëîì 240 ìã â ñóòêè
ozinvev îäîáðèë(à): Ïðèÿòíî, ÷òî êòî-òî ïîíèìàåò ñóòü ñîîáùåíèé
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acha acha âíå ôîðóìà
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acha ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåacha ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåacha ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåacha ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåacha ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåacha ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåacha ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåacha ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåacha ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåacha ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåacha ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
âñå ïðîñòî, ôðàçó Dr ñëåäóåò ÷èòàòü òàê: ñ ó÷åòîì áðîíõèàëüíîé àñòìû ïðåïàðàòîì âûáîðà äëÿ ëå÷åíèÿ ÕÑÍ èç ãðóïïû áëîêåðîâ ÿâëÿåòñÿ áèñîïðîëîë

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Ñòàðûé 10.05.2008, 11:17
ozinvev ozinvev âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Âðà÷-ó÷àñòíèê ôîðóìà
      
 
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ozinvev ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåozinvev ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåozinvev ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåozinvev ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåozinvev ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåozinvev ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåozinvev ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåozinvev ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåozinvev ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåozinvev ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåozinvev ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Åñëè ðàññóæäàòü äàëåå êëèíè÷åñêè: ñòàòèíû ïðè ÕÑÍ (CORONA) óæå áåñïîëåçíû; àñïèðèí - ïîëüçà/ðèñê ïðè ÕÑÍ òî÷íî íåèçâåñòíû è îáùåé ïðàêòèêîé ÿâëÿòüñÿ íå äîëæåí (Ðîññèéñêèå ðåêîìåíäàöèè ïî ÕÑÍ); òðèìåòàçèäèí - òî÷íî äàíü ôàðì. êîìïàíèè; ïðî ìî÷åãîííûå óæå âûñêàçàëèñü.
Åñëè òî÷íî ñëåäîâàòü ðåêîìåíäàöèÿì - òî ïðè Ô ìåíåå 25% ãëèêîçèäû äàþò êëèíè÷åñêèé ýôôåêò (ò.å. ïðè îòìåíå èõ íàñòóïàåò äåêîìïåíñàöèÿ ó òàêèõ áîëüíûõ).
Êîðäàðîí ïðè ÕÑÍ âûæèâàåìîñòü íå óëó÷øàåò, à ïðè òÿæ¸ëîé óõóäøàåò. Ñåé÷àñ ïî íåìó îïðåäåë¸ííóþ ïîëüçó ïðèíîñèò êîìáèíàöèÿ ñ â-áëîêåðîì. Íî â äàííîì ñëó÷àå - ? Íó, è äîçà ÈÀÏÔ ìàëàÿ, âåðîÿòíî, îò òîãî, ÷òî ñòàðòîâàÿ. Ïîñëå îòìåíû âåðàïàìèëà - âîçìîæíî äàëüíåéøåå òèòðîâàíèå.
Òåîðåòè÷åñêèå ðàññóæäåíèÿ: ïî â-áëîêåðàì â Ðîññèè ïðè ÁÀ. Íàâåðíî, ÷àñòîòà íàçíà÷åíèÿ â ÐÔ àäåêâàòíîé áàçèñíîé òåðàïèè ïðè ÁÀ íèæå, ÷åì â Åâðîïå è ÑØÀ. Ñîîòâåòñòâåííî, ðèñê âîçíèêíîâåíèÿ áðîíõîîáñòðóêöèè ó íàøèõ áîëüíûõ ñ ÁÀ âûøå (òåîðåòè÷åñêè). Ïî êðàéíåé ìåðå, ýòîò ðèñê ó íàñ (â ÐÔ) íèêòî íå îöåíèâàë.
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acha ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåacha ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåacha ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåacha ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåacha ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåacha ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåacha ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåacha ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåacha ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåacha ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåacha ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
öèòàòû

Öèòàòà:
Lammers JW, Folgering HT, van Herwaarden CL.

The respiratory tolerance of the beta 1-adrenoceptor-selective blockers bisoprolol and metoprolol was investigated in eight male asthmatic patients. The interaction with the bronchodilatory effect of the beta 2-adrenoceptor-selective agonist terbutaline was studied to compare the beta 1-adrenoceptor selectivity of 10 and 20 mg bisoprolol and 100 mg metoprolol. The three beta-blocker doses caused a significant decrease in heart rate at rest. Systolic and diastolic blood pressure decreased significantly after administration of 20 mg bisoprolol and 100 mg metoprolol, but not after administration of 10 mg bisoprolol. Both beta-blockers caused an increase in bronchoconstriction, as measured by a significant fall in peak expiratory flow rate (PEFR). Only 10 mg bisoprolol caused a significant decrease in vital capacity (VC) and forced expiratory volume in 1 s (FEV1). Bronchoconstriction was rapidly reversed by inhalation of terbutaline in all patients. There were no differences between the responses of FEV1, VC, and PEFR to terbutaline with any of the beta-blockers, indicating a good degree of beta 1-adrenoceptor selectivity of 10 and 20 mg bisoprolol and 100 mg metoprolol in humans.

PMID: 2439802 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE
Öèòàòà:
Lammers JW, Folgering HT, van Herwaarden CL.

In a double blind, placebo-controlled study the ventilatory effects of the beta 1-selective receptor blockers bisoprolol (EMD 33512) and metoprolol and their interactions with the beta 2-adrenoceptor agonist terbutaline were investigated in 8 asthmatic patients. Both beta-blockers, in all the doses given, caused a significant decrease in peak expiratory flow rate (PEFR). Vital capacity (VC) and forced expiratory volume in one second (FEV1) were significantly decreased only after 10 mg bisoprolol. Terbutaline inhalation caused the same significant improvements in FEV1 and PEFR during placebo as during bisoprolol 10 mg, bisoprolol 20 mg and metoprolol 100 mg. Both beta-blockers caused equal changes in heart rate (HR) at rest. Systolic and diastolic blood pressure (BP) decreased significantly after bisoprolol 20 mg and metoprolol 100 mg, but not after bisoprolol 10 mg. Inhalation of terbutaline up to a dose of 3.5 mg had no influence on HR and BP. The results point to good beta 1-selectivity of bisoprolol 10 mg and 20 mg and metoprolol 100 mg in asthmatic patients. No correlation was found between the plasma levels of the beta-blockers and the changes in the ventilatory indices, HR or BP.

PMID: 6149939 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE
Öèòàòà:
Chatterjee SS.

The cardioselectivity and hypotensive properties of the beta 1-specific beta-blocker bisoprolol were investigated using a single-dose comparison of 10 and 20 mg bisoprolol, 100 mg atenolol, and placebo in 12 hypertensive asthmatic patients. The study was of a randomised four-way crossover design with 1 week's washout between each treatment. beta 1-Selectivity was determined by using lung function parameters--vital capacity (VC), airway resistance (AWR), peak expiratory flow rate (PEFR), forced expiratory volume (FEV1)--at baseline and at predetermined intervals following each medication and salbutamol challenge. Potency of beta-blockade was determined using heart rate (HR), systolic blood pressure (SBP), and diastolic blood pressure (DBP). 100 mg atenolol and 10 and 20 mg bisoprolol reduced HR, SBP, and DBP 2 h po*****ication. All active treatments produced only small nonsignificant reductions in PEFR, FEV1, and VC, compared with baseline, without any significant differences between the four groups. Bisoprolol at both dose levels had only a minor nonsignificant influence on AWR. 100 mg atenolol significantly increased AWR, compared with placebo. Following all treatments, salbutamol did not affect cardiovascular parameters, but significantly reduced AWR and increased PEFR, FEV1, and VC without any significant differences between groups. Bisoprolol, at both dose levels tested, was found to possess a strong beta 1-adrenoceptor-blocking activity without affecting bronchial beta 2-adrenoceptors. An equipotent beta 1-adrenoceptor-blocking dose of atenolol (100 mg), compared with 10 and 20 mg bisoprolol, was found to increase airway resistance in the population of asthmatic patients studied. Bisoprolol has been shown to exhibit a greater beta 1-selectivity than atenolol.

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Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 237 ðàç(à) çà 233 ñîîáùåíèé
acha ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåacha ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåacha ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåacha ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåacha ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåacha ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåacha ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåacha ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåacha ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåacha ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåacha ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
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Àâòîðû îòìå÷àþò, ÷òî ïàöèåíòû â èññëåäîâàíèè CORONA èìåëè ñëèøêîì äàëåêî çàøåäøóþ ÈÁÑ, ãäå ñòàòèíàì óæå íå÷åãî äåëàòü. Ñ íåòåðïåíèåì îæèäàþòñÿ ðåçóëüòàòû Gruppo Italiano per lo Studio della Sopravvivenza nell’Infarto Miocardico trial (GISSI heart failure trial), â êîòîðîå âêëþ÷åíî 6975 ïàöèåíòîâ êàê ñ ÕÑÍ íåèøåìè÷åñêîé ýòèîëîãèè, òàê è ñ ñîõðàí¸ííîé ôðàêöèåé âûáðîñà.
íà ñ÷åò êîðäàðîíà: òóò âàðèàíò ëèáî ÊÂÄ ëèáî êîðäàðîí, òóò íå èçîëèðîâàííàÿ ÕÑÍ à ÕÑÍ ñ ïðîáåæêàìè ÆÒ. ÊÂÄ îáåñïå÷èâàåì? íåò? òîãäà êîðäàðîí + áèñî

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Âðà÷-ó÷àñòíèê ôîðóìà
      
 
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ozinvev ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåozinvev ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåozinvev ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåozinvev ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåozinvev ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåozinvev ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåozinvev ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåozinvev ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåozinvev ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåozinvev ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåozinvev ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Îñòàëîñü äîæäàòüñÿ âêëþ÷åíèÿ â îôèöèàëüíûå ðåêîìåíäàöèè ïî ÕÑÍ íàçíà÷åíèÿ â-áëîêåðîâ ïðè ÁÀ íà îñíîâå ïðåäñòàâëåííûõ ðàáîò.

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acha ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåacha ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåacha ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåacha ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåacha ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåacha ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåacha ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåacha ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåacha ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåacha ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåacha ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
ýòó êàðòèíêó ÿ ñïèîíåðèë ó Ì.Þ.
[Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ]

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