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Ôîðóì äëÿ îáùåíèÿ âðà÷åé íåâðîëîãîâ è íåéðîõèðóðãîâ Ôîðóì ïðåäíàçíà÷åí äëÿ îáùåíèÿ âðà÷åé ìåæäó ñîáîé.

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Îïöèè òåìû Ïîèñê â ýòîé òåìå Îïöèè ïðîñìîòðà
  #46  
Ñòàðûé 09.05.2012, 23:23
Àâàòàð äëÿ Dr.Vad
Dr.Vad Dr.Vad âíå ôîðóìà
Ìîäåðàòîð ôîðóìà ïî ãåìàòîëîãèè
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 16.01.2003
Ãîðîä: Õüþñòîí, Òåõàñ
Ñîîáùåíèé: 80,603
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 33,347 ðàç(à) çà 31,694 ñîîáùåíèé
Dr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Óâàæàåìûé êîëëåãà,

íå äîëæíî áûòü íèêàêîãî ïîðàæåíèÿ - ïðèâåë Âàì ÂÑÅ âàðèàíòû èíòåðïðåòàöèè äàííîãî òåðìèíà, ïî âàðèàíòó 2: dropîut = lost to follow up.

Åñëè íå ïðèäèðàòüñÿ ê òåðìèíàì (ëè÷íî ìíå êàæåòñÿ íàèáîëåå ïðèåìëåìîé ðàñøèôðîâêîé òðåòüÿ èíòåðïðåòàöèÿ), òî áîëåå 450 ÷åëîâåê ïðåêðàòèëî ïðèåì äàáèãàòðàíà ïî ñâîåé âîëå (375 íà âàðôàðèíå), 130 ïðåêðàòèëî ïðèåì èç-çà ÆÊÒ ïðîáëåì (âñåãî 38 íà âàðôàðèíå), èíôàðêòîâ áûëî 85-90 íà äàáè è 60 íà âàðôàðèíå... îòñþäà âûáûâøèõ èç-çà ÆÊÒ (àáñ. ðàçíèöà 90 ÷åëîâåê) èëè ïî ñîáñòâ. æåëàíèþ (àáñ. ðàçíèöà 70-80) ãîðàçäî áîëüøå, ÷åì èç-çà èíôàðêòîâ (30)
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Èñêðåííå,
Âàäèì Âàëåðüåâè÷.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #47  
Ñòàðûé 10.05.2012, 00:26
carel carel âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Íà÷èíàþùèé ó÷àñòíèê
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 05.12.2008
Ãîðîä: ÑÏÁ
Ñîîáùåíèé: 54
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 2
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 3 ðàç(à) çà 2 ñîîáùåíèé
carel ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò õîðîøóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Drop out > lost to follow up.
Drop out = lost to follow up + early discontinuation
lost to follow up ≠ early discontinuation


Äîáðîâîëüíî ïðåêðàòèâøèå ïðèåì äàáèãàòðàíà áûëè òÿæåëåå.
Öèòàòà:
I want to highlight is, if you had a stroke you tended to discontinue more so in the dabigatran arm. If you had a TIA, again, true. And if you had a minor bleed, again we see the same pattern. What does this mean? What do we make of it? I think, sort of, there’s two key messages to take home from this. One has to do with the way that we do analyses on RE-LY, though there were some questions raised by the committee about looking at on-treatment or as-treated analyses. I think that this fact or this observation that patients who were sicker tended to discontinue from study drug preferentially in the dabigatran arm raises some concerns about looking at as-treated or on-treatmen analyses.
The FDA transcript

Êðîìå òîãî, ìíå êàæåòñÿ, íåðàâíîìåðíîå âûáûâàíèå èç-çà ÆÊÒ ïðîáëåì ïðèâîäèò ê íåäîîöåíêè ðèñêà GI êðîâîòå÷åíèé íà äàáèãàòðàíå â èññëåäîâàíèè.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #48  
Ñòàðûé 10.05.2012, 00:48
Àâàòàð äëÿ Dr.Vad
Dr.Vad Dr.Vad âíå ôîðóìà
Ìîäåðàòîð ôîðóìà ïî ãåìàòîëîãèè
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 16.01.2003
Ãîðîä: Õüþñòîí, Òåõàñ
Ñîîáùåíèé: 80,603
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 33,347 ðàç(à) çà 31,694 ñîîáùåíèé
Dr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Õîðîøàÿ òî÷êà çðåíèÿ, ñîãëàñåí ñ íåé, òåì áîëåå, ÷òî îáùåå ÷èñëî èñõîäîâ /outcome events/ (áåç ïîáî÷íîãî äåéñòâèÿ è ïðî÷.), ïîâëåêøèõ ê ïðåêðàùåíèþ ïðèåìà ëåêàðñòâà áûëî 192 íà äàáèãàòðàíå 110, 163 - ñëó÷àÿ íà äàáè-150, è âñåãî 130 íà âàðôàðèíå. Òîãäà êàê êîíå÷íûõ òî÷åê (íàïðèìåð òîãî æå èøåìè÷. èíñóëüòà) áûëî ñîîòâåòñòâåííî 159, 121 è 142, ýòî ìîæåò ãîâîðèòü î òîì, ÷òî ïàöèåíòû, ïðåêðàòèâøèå òðàéë íà äàáèãàòðàíå, ÷àùå èñêëþ÷àëèñü ñðàçó æå ïîñëå ïåðâîãî ýïèçîäà, òîãäà êàê íà âàðôàðèíå îíè ïðîäîëæàëè áûòü íà âàðôàðèíå è ñîîòâåòñòâåííî ó íèõ ÷àùå áûë ðèñê ïîâòîðíîãî ýïèçîäà, ïðèâîäÿ ê óâåëè÷åíèþ ÷èñëà ëþáûõ ñëó÷àåâ â ýòîé ïîäãðóïïå...

PS. ÆÊÒ êðîâîòå÷åíèÿ, ïîâëåêøèå ê âûáûâàíèþ èç òðàéëà, íåñìîòðÿ íà ýòî âñå ðàâíî ïðåîáëàäàëè â ãðóïïå äàáè-150 (80 ñëó÷àåâ) è áûëè ñîïîñòàâèìû â Äàáè-110 è âàðôàðèíå (58 è 54)
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Èñêðåííå,
Âàäèì Âàëåðüåâè÷.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #49  
Ñòàðûé 10.05.2012, 00:56
carel carel âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Íà÷èíàþùèé ó÷àñòíèê
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 05.12.2008
Ãîðîä: ÑÏÁ
Ñîîáùåíèé: 54
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 2
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 3 ðàç(à) çà 2 ñîîáùåíèé
carel ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò õîðîøóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
ß è ãîâîðþ, òàì ñïëîøíûå bias. Îñëîæíåíèÿ íà âàðôàðèíå âðà÷àì õîðîøî èçâåñòíû è ýòè ïàöèåíòû ëå÷èëèñü è íàáëþäàëèñü èíà÷å, ÷åì íà äàáèãàòðàíå.
À åñëè èñêëþ÷èòü Èíäèþ èç ðåçóëüòàòîâ èññëåäîâàíèÿ, òî î ïðåâîñõîäñòâå íàä âàðôàðèíîì ãîâîðèòü íå ïðèõîäèòñÿ.
[Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ]
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #50  
Ñòàðûé 10.05.2012, 01:06
Àâàòàð äëÿ Dr.Vad
Dr.Vad Dr.Vad âíå ôîðóìà
Ìîäåðàòîð ôîðóìà ïî ãåìàòîëîãèè
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 16.01.2003
Ãîðîä: Õüþñòîí, Òåõàñ
Ñîîáùåíèé: 80,603
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 33,347 ðàç(à) çà 31,694 ñîîáùåíèé
Dr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
â ñóõîì îñòàòêå: ñðåäû 6 òûù. ïàöèåíòîâ ñ ÔÏ äàáè-150 ïðåäóïðåæäàåò 30 èøåìè÷åñêèõ èíñóëüòîâ çà ñ÷åò óâåëè÷åíèÿ 26 ÈÌ è 7 ÒÝËÀ â ñðàâíåíèè ñ âàðôàðèíîì, åñëè ýêñöåññ áîëüøèõ êðîâîòå÷åíèé âêëþ÷àÿ âíóòðè÷åðåïíûå áûë èç-çà îòðèöàòåëüíîãî âçàèìîäåéñòâèÿ àñïèðèí-âàðôàðèí (ïî äàííûì òðàéëîâ ðèñê êðîâîòå÷åíèÿ íà êîìáèíàöèè âîçðàñòàåò âäâîå), òî âàðôàðèí íå îïàñíåå äàáè-150 â ýòîì ñìûñëå, íî äàáè-150 ìîæåò íåñòü ïîâûøåííûé ðèñê äèñïåïñèé è ÆÊ-êðîâîòå÷åíèé
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Èñêðåííå,
Âàäèì Âàëåðüåâè÷.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #51  
Ñòàðûé 10.05.2012, 01:20
carel carel âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Íà÷èíàþùèé ó÷àñòíèê
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 05.12.2008
Ãîðîä: ÑÏÁ
Ñîîáùåíèé: 54
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 2
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 3 ðàç(à) çà 2 ñîîáùåíèé
carel ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò õîðîøóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Íî â ðåàëüíîì ìèðå âñå íàìíîãî õóæå.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #52  
Ñòàðûé 24.06.2012, 17:49
Tim Hunter Tim Hunter âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
çàáàíåí
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 09.02.2006
Ãîðîä: Òàðóñà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 279
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 25
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 19 ðàç(à) çà 14 ñîîáùåíèé
Tim Hunter ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåTim Hunter ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåTim Hunter ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåTim Hunter ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåTim Hunter ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåTim Hunter ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåTim Hunter ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåTim Hunter ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
×àñòî íåäîñòàòêîì äàáèãàòðàíà íàçûâàåòñÿ îòñóòñòâèå àíòèäîòà. À ðàçâå ó âàðôàðèíà îí åñòü?

Ïî ïîâîäó ðåàëüíîãî ìèðà:
Öèòàòà:
25/05/2012. European Medicines Agency updates patient and prescriber information for Pradaxa ([Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ])

The Committee found that the frequency of occurrence of fatal bleedings with Pradaxa seen in post-marketing data was significantly lower than what was observed in the clinical trials that supported the authorisation of the medicine, but considered that this issue should nonetheless be kept under close surveillance.
È "îñòîðîæíûõ êàíàäöåâ":
Latest Canadian AF guidelines encourage new oral anticoagulants ([Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ])

p.s. Åùå ìíå êàæåòñÿ, î÷åíü âàæíûì ìîìåíòîì ïðè âûáîðå ìåæäó Ïðàäàêñîé è âàðôàðèíîì äîëæíî áûòü æåëàíèå áîëüíîãî. Ïåðñïåêòèâà åæåìåñÿ÷íûõ âèçèòîâ â ïîëèêëèíèêó ìíîãèõ áîëüíûõ ñêëîíÿåò â ñòîðîíó Ïðàäàêñû.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #53  
Ñòàðûé 24.06.2012, 18:17
Àâàòàð äëÿ Dr.Vad
Dr.Vad Dr.Vad âíå ôîðóìà
Ìîäåðàòîð ôîðóìà ïî ãåìàòîëîãèè
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 16.01.2003
Ãîðîä: Õüþñòîí, Òåõàñ
Ñîîáùåíèé: 80,603
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 33,347 ðàç(à) çà 31,694 ñîîáùåíèé
Dr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
îôèöèàëüíî íåò - ôèòîìåíàäèîí â ÐÔ íå çàðåãèñòðèðîâàí, à ó âèêàñîëà íåèçâåñòíàÿ ïðîòèâîâàðôàðèíîâàÿ àêòèâíîñòü... ÑÌÏ ìîæåò áûòü ïðèìåíåíà äëÿ áûñòðîãî ðåâåðñèðîâàíèÿ äåéñòâèÿ âàðôàðèíà, òîãäà êàê íà äàáè îíà íå ðàáîòàåò
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Âàäèì Âàëåðüåâè÷.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #54  
Ñòàðûé 06.07.2012, 08:54
carel carel âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Íà÷èíàþùèé ó÷àñòíèê
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 05.12.2008
Ãîðîä: ÑÏÁ
Ñîîáùåíèé: 54
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 2
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 3 ðàç(à) çà 2 ñîîáùåíèé
carel ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò õîðîøóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Öèòàòà:
25/05/2012. European Medicines Agency updates patient and prescriber information for Pradaxa The Committee found that the frequency of occurrence of fatal bleedings with Pradaxa seen in post-marketing data was significantly lower than what was observed in the clinical trials that supported the authorisation of the medicine, but considered that this issue should nonetheless be kept under close surveillance.
([Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ])

Íåñêîëüêî ÷åëîâåê â êîìèòåòå çàÿâèëè, ÷òî äàáèãàòðàí áåçîïàñíåé, ÷åì áûëî â èññëåäîâàíèè, íî íå ïðåäúÿâèëè íèêàêèõ öèôð è çà÷åì òî ïîòðåáîâàëè óæåñòî÷èòü èíñòðóêöèþ. Ãäå ëîãèêà?


Dabigatran topped the list of direct reports to the FDA of serious adverse drug events in 2011, according to an analysis by the Institute for Safe Medication Practices. Dabigatran (Pradaxa, Boehringer Ingelheim) had the largest number of direct reports, at 817, followed by warfarin, at 490.

Reports from both the manufacturer and direct reports pointed to 3,781 serious adverse events associated with dabigatran in the U.S. in 2011, according to the analysis. Analysts identified 542 patient deaths, 2,367 cases of hemorrhage, 291 cases of acute renal failure, 644 cases of stroke and 15 cases of suspected liver failure. The FDA approved the use of dabigatran for the prevention of stroke and systemic embolism in non-valvular AF patients in 2010.

Warfarin had 1,106 cases overall in 2011, including 72 deaths. The authors noted that in past analyses, warfarin consistently ranked near the top for direct reports to the FDA. [Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ]

Öèòàòà:
Åùå ìíå êàæåòñÿ, î÷åíü âàæíûì ìîìåíòîì ïðè âûáîðå ìåæäó Ïðàäàêñîé è âàðôàðèíîì äîëæíî áûòü æåëàíèå áîëüíîãî. Ïåðñïåêòèâà åæåìåñÿ÷íûõ âèçèòîâ â ïîëèêëèíèêó ìíîãèõ áîëüíûõ ñêëîíÿåò â ñòîðîíó Ïðàäàêñû.
Ðèâàðîêñàáàí êàê îáåùàëè, áóäåò äîñòóïåí â Ðîññèè â àâãóñòå.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #55  
Ñòàðûé 18.12.2013, 21:07
Àâàòàð äëÿ investigator
investigator investigator âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Çàñëóæåííûé ó÷àñòíèê
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 28.09.2010
Ãîðîä: Êèåâ
Ñîîáùåíèé: 713
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 48
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 83 ðàç(à) çà 83 ñîîáùåíèé
investigator ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò îòëè÷íóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Âñ¸ òàêè àïèêñàáàí, ðèâàðîêñàáàí è äàáèãàòðàí ïðåäïî÷òèòåëüíåå â íàøèõ ðåàëèÿõ. Äàëåêî íå êàæäîãî áîëüíîãî ìîæíî îïåðàòèâíî îòâåçòè â ÷àñòíóþ ëàáîðàòîðèþ äëÿ îïðåäåëåíèÿ ÌÍÎ. Êðîìå òîãî äàæå â ñàìûõ ëó÷øèõ ëàáîðàòîðèÿõ ðåçóëüòàò ìîæíî ïîëó÷èòü íå ðàíåå, ÷åì ÷åðåç ÷åòûðå ÷àñà.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #56  
Ñòàðûé 18.12.2013, 23:31
Àâàòàð äëÿ Dr.Vad
Dr.Vad Dr.Vad âíå ôîðóìà
Ìîäåðàòîð ôîðóìà ïî ãåìàòîëîãèè
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 16.01.2003
Ãîðîä: Õüþñòîí, Òåõàñ
Ñîîáùåíèé: 80,603
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 33,347 ðàç(à) çà 31,694 ñîîáùåíèé
Dr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
åñëè ïàöèåíò â ñîñòîÿíèè îïëàòèòü êóðñ äàííîãî ïðåïàðàòà ñêàæåì íà ãîä, òî ó íåãî õâàòèò ñðåäñòâ è íà ïîêóïêó ïîðòàòèâíîãî àïïàðàòà äëÿ ñàìîîïðåäåëåíèÿ ÌÍÎ èç êàïèëëÿðíîé êðîâè, ïîñëåäíÿÿ îïöèÿ ìîæåò îêàçàòüñÿ è äåøåâëå...
ps ÷òîá íå áûòü ãîëîñëîâíûì: ãîäîâàÿ ñòîèìîñòü âàðôàðèíà 90 ÓÅ ïëþñ 117 ÓÅ íà ìîíèòîðèíã = èòîãî 207 ÓÅ, ãîäîâàÿ ñòîèìîñòü äàáè 1573 ÓÅ èëè ÷òîáû ïðåäóïðåäèòü îäèí èíñóëüò ñëåäóåò èñòðàòèòü 6.6 øòóê è 25-28 øòóê ÓÅ íà òî è äðóãîå ëå÷åíèå. [Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ]
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