#16
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Òðàíçèòîðíîå - â ñìûñëå, áåç ôîðìèðîâàíèÿ Q? Âåðíî ïîíÿë îòâåò?
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#17
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Ðå÷ü íå îá èíôàðêòå ìèîêàðäà (êàê èñõîäå), à î êëèíè÷åñêîì ñèíäðîìå (ÎÊÑ).
Ïîêàçàíèåì ê ÒËÒ ÿâëÿåòñÿ ñòîéêèé ïîäúåì ñåãìåíòà ST (ïðè ïðî÷èõ óñëîâèÿõ), ïîñêîëüêó èìåííî ýòîò ôàêòîð ÿâëÿåòñÿ íàèáîëåå äîñòîâåðíûì ïðèçíàêîì òðîìáîòè÷åñêîé îêêëþçèè êîðîíàðíîé àðòåðèè (èç ñêðèíèíãîâûõ íå èíâàçèâíûõ òåñòîâ). |
#18
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Âåðíóëñÿ ñîïðîâîäèòåëüíûé ëèñò. Ds: ÈÁÑ: ïåðåäíå-ïåðåãîðîäî÷íûé èíôàðêò ìèîêàðäà ñ ïîäúåìîì ST (îò 06.08.2012ã). Ðåïåðôóçèÿ ìèîêàðäà ïîñëå ââåäåíèÿ àêòèëèçå (50ìã).
Äëèòåëüíîñòü ïðåáûâàíèÿ â ñòàöèîíàðå 21 äåíü. Ïåðåâîäèòñÿ äëÿ äàëüíåéøåé ðåàáèëèòàöèè â ñàíàòîðèé êàðäèîëîãè÷åñêîãî ïðîôèëÿ. Çàìå÷àíèÿ ê ÑÌÏ: ââåäåíèå çàâåäîìî âûñîêèõ äîç ãåïàðèíà (50000ÅÄ). |
#19
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 îáùåì ñëó÷àå, ìíå ëè÷íî íåÿñíî íóæíî ëè ïðîâîäèòü ÒËÒ ó áîëüíîãî ñî ñïîíòàííûì ëèçèñîì è ñîõðàíÿþùèìèñÿ êðèòåðèÿìè, â òîì ÷èñëå ýëåêòðîêàðäèîãðàôè÷åñêèìè.
 êîíêðåòíîé ñèòóàöèè, äîêòîð Ñêîðîé áûë áåçóñëîâíî ïðàâ. |
#20
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Ó ðóêîâîäñòâà ÑÑè ÍÌÏ èì. Ïó÷êîâà íîâûé "âñïëåñê àêòèâíîñòè". Ðåøåíî íà êàæäîé ïîäñòàíöèè ñ 25.09.2012ã ñîçäàòü áðèãàäû â ñîñòàâå 2õ ôåëüäøåðîâ (áåçâðà÷åáíûå áðèãàäû), îñíàñòèòü èõ òðîìáîëèòèêîì, ÷òî áû îíè, íå äîæèäàÿñü âðà÷à, ñàìè ïðîâîäèëè ÒËÒ íà äîãîñïèòàëüíîì ýòàïå.
Ìîè ñîáîëåçíîâàíèÿ ðàáîòíèêàì ñòàöèîíàðîâ!(( |
#21
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À â ÷åì ïðîáëåìà? Òåì áîëåå, îíè, ïî-âèäèìîìó, áóäóò ïîäòâåðæäàòü äèàãíîç ÎÊÑ ñ ïîäúåìîì ST ñ ïîìîùüþ ÝÊà ïî òåëåôîíó?
Äàëüøå-òî âñå ïðîñòî: áåðåøü îïðîñíèê ñ ïåðå÷íåì "ïîêàçàíèÿ" è "ïðîòèâîïîêàçàíèÿ", ïðîñòàâëÿåøü ãàëî÷êè... Ïîêàçàíèÿ åñòü, ïðîòèâîïîêàçàíèé íåò - âñå, ïîåõàëè! Âî âñåì ìèðå, ãäå íåò âîçìîæíîñòè ýêñòðåííîé ×ÊÂ, òàê äåëàþò. |
#22
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Òåì áîëåå, ÷òî ôèçè÷åñêîå ïðèñóòñòâèå âðà÷à ïðè ïðîâåäåíèè òðîìáîëèòè÷åñêîé òåðàïèè ÍÅ îáÿçàòåëüíî - ïàðàìåäèêè íåïëîõî âûÿâëÿþò ÈÌ ïîñëå ñîîòâ. òðåíèðîâêè:
Analysis of the diagnostic ability of seven paramedics 12 months after a two day training course, using interpretation of a 12 lead ECG by two cardiologists as the criterion standard... Paramedics showed a median accuracy of 0.95 (95% CI 0.88 to 0.98), a specificity of 0.91 (95% CI 0.53 to 1.0), a sensitivity of 0.97 (95% CI 0.94 to 0.99), a NPV of 0.77 (95% CI 0.62 to 0.92) and a PPV of 0.99 (95% CI 0.92 to 1.0). Recognition of ST elevation by paramedics [Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ] è óñïåøíî ïðîâîäÿò òðîìáîëèòè÷åñêèþ òåðàïèþ: When compared with regular in-hospital thrombolysis, pre-hospital diagnosis and thrombolysis with trained paramedics in the ambulances are associated with reduced time to thrombolysis by almost 1 h and reduced adjusted 1-year mortality by 30% in real-life STEMI patients. [Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ]
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Èñêðåííå, Âàäèì Âàëåðüåâè÷. |
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#23
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Ïîïðàâêà íà Ðîññèþ - äîçâîí äî "êàðäèîïóëüòà" çàíèìàåò â ñðåäíåì 30-60 ìèíóò.
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#24
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ÈÌÕÎ, â íàøåé äåéñòâèòåëüíîñòè ëó÷øèì áûëî áû îñíàùåíèå òðîìáîëèòèêàìè ëèíåéíûõ áðèãàä ñ âðà÷îì - áûëà áû ýêîíîìèÿ âðåìåíè íà "äîçâîíàõ".
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#25
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îáî âñåì ýòîì ïèøóò â ïåðâîé ïóáëèêàöèè: ïàðàìåäèêîâ/ôåëüäøåðîâ ëó÷øå ñàìèõ íàó÷èòü ðàñïîçíàâàòü ÈÌ ïî ÝÊÃ, íåæåëè äîçâàíèâàòüñÿ âðà÷àì
There are two methods of recognising ECG criteria for thrombolysis before the patient arrives at the hospital. Either the 12 lead electrocardiogram (ECG) is transmitted to a doctor who makes a diagnosis (and may communicate this diagnosis back to the ambulance crew), or alternatively ambulance paramedics are trained to interpret the 12 lead ECG. Transmission of an ECG requires technology at both ends of the transmission, a fault free line, the immediate availability of a senior doctor to make the diagnosis, and a system for communicating the diagnosis back to the ambulance crew. This system has a one in five chance of problems with communication, may result in delay and requires expensive technology.2 These problems are avoided if the paramedic can recognise ST segment elevation.
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Èñêðåííå, Âàäèì Âàëåðüåâè÷. |
#26
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Äà-äà, ýòî ÿ ÷èòàë. Òîëüêî ïî÷åìó ó íàñ âñåãäà âñå "ïîëîâèí÷àòî" - íåïîíÿòíî. Ñ îäíîé ñòîðîíû - äàåì âîçìîæíîñòü. ñ äðóãîé - ñòðîãî îãðàíè÷èâàåì òåëåôîíîì, âìåñòî ïîëíîöåííîãî îáó÷åíèÿ.  ýòîé ñèòóàöèè, ÈÌÕÎ, óìåíüøåíèÿ âðåìåíè íàáëþäàòüñÿ íå áóäåò.
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Íó, ó íàñ, êàê âñåãäà, ñâîé ïóòü...
Íàñ÷åò êàðäèîïóëüòà - ìîæåò áûòü, ðóêîâîäñòâî ìîñêîâñêîé ÑÌÏ ïëàíèðóåò ââåäåíèå ñïåöèàëüíûõ òåëåôîíîâ òîëüêî äëÿ ïàöèåíòîâ ñ ïîäîçðåíèåì íà ÎÊÑ ÏÑÒ? |
#28
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Ïî çàâåðåíèÿì (èìåííî òàê!) çàì. ãë.âð. Äîïîëíèòåëüíûé íîìåð ñîçäàâàòü íå áóäåò (â áëèæàéøåå âðåìÿ. âî âñÿêîì ñëó÷àå). Êðîìå òîãî, â÷åðà ó ìåíÿ áûëî äåæóðñòâî, óçíàë ïîäðîáíîñòè. Ñõåìà òàêàÿ - Ôåëüäøåð ñíèìàåò ÝÊÃ, äîçâàíèâàåòñÿ äî êàðäèîïóëüòà (30-60 ìèí), ïåðåäàåò ÝÊÃ. Åñëè êîíñóëüòàíò êàðäèîïóëüòà ïîäòâåðæäàåò íåîáõîäèìîñòü ÒËÒ, òî ôåëüäøåð åå íà÷èíàåò. Çàòåì, äëÿ òðàíñïîðòèðîâêè áîëüíîãî âûçûâàåò "íà ñåáÿ" áðèãàäó ñ âðà÷îì. È óæå ýòà äðóãàÿ âðà÷åáíàÿ áðèãàäà, äîñòàâëÿåò áîëüíîãî â ñòàöèîíàð. Îò êàê!!!
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çà åòî âðåìÿ áûñòðåå äîâåçòè áîëüíîãî äî áîëüíèöû è òàì ïðîâåñòü ÒËÒ
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Èñêðåííå, Âàäèì Âàëåðüåâè÷. |
#30
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Âîò è ÿ î òîì æå, Âàäèì Âàëåðüåâè÷!
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