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Îïöèè òåìû Ïîèñê â ýòîé òåìå Îïöèè ïðîñìîòðà
  #106  
Ñòàðûé 27.02.2009, 12:21
Àâàòàð äëÿ Maltsev
Maltsev Maltsev âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Ïîñòîÿííûé ó÷àñòíèê
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 28.12.2007
Ãîðîä: Ìîñêâà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 345
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 11
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 15 ðàç(à) çà 15 ñîîáùåíèé
Maltsev ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMaltsev ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMaltsev ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMaltsev ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Èíòåðåñíåíüêî ;).

[Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ]

1. Ðåãèñòðèðóåìñÿ íà ôîðóìå;
2. Âûáèðàåì èíòåðåñóþùåå (êíèãà, æóðíàë è ò.ï.);
3. Ïîñòèì â ôîðóìå îòâåò (îáû÷íî ýòî áàíàëüíîå thank you);
4.  ïåðâîì ïîñòå ïîñëå îòâåòà ïîÿâëÿåòñÿ ññûëêà íà ôàéëèê íà ðàïèäå, êîòîðûé, ñîáñòâåííî è êà÷àåì. Âîò, ñîáññíî, è âñå.


Îðèåíòèðîâàíî áîëüøåé ÷àñòüþ íà áóðæóéñêèõ ñòóäåíòîâ è ðåçèäåíòîâ, íî ìîæíî íàéòè ÷òî íèáóäü ñòîÿùåå . Íàïðèìåð - ïîñëåäíèå 4 íîìåðà European Heart.

Âûÿñíåíî ïðè ðàññëåäîâàíèè ìàòåðèàëîâ ïîñòà Vlad34 (ñì. âûøå).

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Ñ Óâàæåíèåì,
Ìàëüöåâ À.À.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #107  
Ñòàðûé 27.02.2009, 13:32
Àâàòàð äëÿ Gilarov
Gilarov Gilarov âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Âðà÷-ó÷àñòíèê ôîðóìà
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 26.07.2001
Ãîðîä: Ìîñêâà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 7,196
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 713 ðàç(à) çà 691 ñîîáùåíèé
Gilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
ßðêèé ïðèìåð - ðåêîìåíäàöèè ïî êëàïàííûì ïîðîêàì. Ñïëîøíîé óðîâåíü Ñ.
Åùå íà òó æå òåìó:
ACC/AHA guidelines largely based on weak evidence and expert opinion
February 24, 2009 | Michael O'Riordan
Durham, NC - The number of recommendations in the American Heart Association/American College of Cardiology (AHA/ACC) clinical-practice guidelines have progressively increased over time, but these recommendations are often based on weak evidence and expert opinion, a new study, published in the February 25, 2009 issue of the Journal of the American Medical Association, has shown.

Among guidelines reporting an update in recent years, the number of recommendations has increased 48% from the first to the current version, with the largest increase in recommendations for which there is conflicting evidence and/or a divergence of opinion about the efficacy of a procedure or treatment (class 2). In addition, roughly half of all recommendations are based on expert opinion, case studies, or standard of care rather than on data from multiple clinical trials or meta-analyses.

"It's a sobering result," lead investigator Dr Pierluigi Tricoci (Duke Clinical Research Institute, Durham, NC) told heartwire. "Almost half of the recommendations have a level of evidence C, meaning they have no supporting evidence or just a little supporting evidence. This means that situations where we are sure of what to do are small in number, while the situations where we are not so sure of what to do are the majority."



Guidelines changing over the years


In this study, the investigators wanted to assess how the guidelines changed since the AHA/ACC began publishing clinical-practice guidelines more than 20 years ago. The guidelines currently use a grading system based on the level of evidence and class of recommendation. The level of evidence—A, B, or C—includes a description of the existence and types of studies available supporting the recommendation and expert consensus. The class of recommendation—1, 2, 2a, 2b, and 3—indicates the strength of the recommendation based on an objective judgment about the relative merits of the data.

This means that situations where we are sure of what to do are small in number, while the situations where we are not so sure of what to do are the majority. From 1984 to 2008, the ACC/AHA issued 53 guidelines on 22 topics for a total of 7196 recommendations. Among these guidelines, 24 were disease-based, 15 were for interventional procedures, and 14 were for diagnostics. The disease-based and interventional-based guidelines were updated approximately every five years, while the diagnostic-procedure-based guidelines were updated eight years after the last publication.

Among guidelines with at least one revision, the number of recommendations increased 48% from the first guidelines to the most recent version. The increase in recommendations was driven primarily by increases in the number of class 2 recommendations—those with conflicting evidence and/or divergent opinions. Of the 16 current guidelines reporting levels of evidence, just 11% of recommendations were classified as evidence A, those based on data from multiple clinical trials or meta-analyses. Just under half of the recommendations, 48%, were based on expert opinion, case studies, or standards of care (level of evidence C).

Among the class 1 recommendations of guidelines reporting level of evidence, just 19% had a level of evidence A. There was also wide variation across the different specialties, with the disease-based and interventional-based guidelines having slightly better levels of evidence than the diagnostic-procedure guidelines. Roughly 70% of the recommendations within the valvular-heart-disease guidelines are evidence level C, with just one recommendation with evidence based on clinical trials. Heart-failure, secondary-prevention, and unstable-angina guidelines had the most recommendations based on clinical trial data or meta-analyses, or evidence level A.

"Some fields are in better shape than others, but this is a general problem afflicting all the fields of cardiology," said Tricoci.



Ignore the guidelines altogether


In an editorial accompanying the published study [2], Drs Terrence Shaneyfelt and Robert Centor (University of Alabama School of Medicine, Birmingham) write that the "overreliance on expert opinion in guidelines is problematic," particularly since the guideline committees come to the table with implicit biases, values, and goals that aren't typically disclosed. Moreover, too many current guidelines are marketing- and opinion-based pieces, "delivering directive rather than assistive statements," they add.

In addition, they argue that guidelines are not patient-specific enough to be useful and do not allow for individualization of care, instead adopting a one-size-fits-all mentality. Moreover, there are simply too many guidelines on the same topic. The editorialists write that if the guidelines continue to exist, they need to undergo major changes, including limiting committee members with financial ties to industry or other potential conflicts of interest. Guideline development should also be centralized under a governing body to reduce bias and redundancy, something that might be achieved by allowing the US Department of Health and Human Services to oversee their drafting.

"However, it seems unlikely that substantial change will occur because many guideline developers seem set in their ways," write Shaneyfelt and Centor. "If all that can be produced are biased, minimally applicable consensus statements, perhaps guidelines should be avoided completely. Unless there is evidence of appropriate changes in the guideline process, clinicians and policy makers must reject calls for adherence to guidelines."

Speaking with heartwire, Tricoci, rather than fault the guideline committees, said the findings represent a failure of the current research system. With clinical trials performed predominantly by industry, unaddressed clinical questions are overlooked, as these companies are interested primarily in bringing new products to market.

"While it's certainly great to have newer and newer products, there are a lot of things that we don't know about the products that we currently use or even decisions that do not necessarily involve products, such as treatment strategies or timing issues," said Tricoci. "There is not a lot of funding supporting this type of research."

In addition, clinical trials are costly and complex and require long periods of time to complete, said Tricoci. This limits the funding available for the study, as well as the number of questions that can be answered by the trialists. Streamlining clinical trials that focus on areas with deficient research would partly alleviate the knowledge gaps in the clinical guidelines.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #108  
Ñòàðûé 27.02.2009, 13:38
Àâàòàð äëÿ Maltsev
Maltsev Maltsev âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Ïîñòîÿííûé ó÷àñòíèê
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 28.12.2007
Ãîðîä: Ìîñêâà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 345
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 11
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 15 ðàç(à) çà 15 ñîîáùåíèé
Maltsev ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMaltsev ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMaltsev ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMaltsev ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
È â ñàìîì äåëå: â íàø öèíè÷íûé âåê,
êîãäà ðàçúåäåí ñêåïñèñîì ðàññóäîê,
êîãäà ìàìîíîé äóøè ñìóùåíû,
ïîòåðÿí ñìûñë, è ëãóò îðèåíòèðû -
äîëæíî æå áûòü õîòü ÷òî-òî, íàêîíåö,
íå òðîíóòîå âàðâàðñêîé óöåíêîé?!


(Ñ) - Âèêòîð Øåíäåðîâè÷.

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Ñ Óâàæåíèåì,
Ìàëüöåâ À.À.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #109  
Ñòàðûé 27.02.2009, 13:42
Igor73 Igor73 âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Âðà÷-ó÷àñòíèê ôîðóìà
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 17.03.2005
Ãîðîä: Ìîñêâà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 1,195
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 69 ðàç(à) çà 53 ñîîáùåíèé
Igor73 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåIgor73 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåIgor73 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåIgor73 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåIgor73 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåIgor73 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåIgor73 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåIgor73 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåIgor73 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåIgor73 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåIgor73 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò Gilarov Ïîñìîòðåòü ñîîáùåíèå
ßðêèé ïðèìåð - ðåêîìåíäàöèè ïî êëàïàííûì ïîðîêàì. Ñïëîøíîé óðîâåíü Ñ.
È ìîÿ áàíî÷êà äåãòÿ:
1. Î÷åíü ïîíðàâèëèñü ïîñëåäíèå ðåêîìåíäàöèè ïî ðåâàñêóëÿðèçàöèè ñâîèì íîâûì (áàëüíûì) ïîäõîäîì, òùàòåëüíûì îòáîðîì ýêñïåðòîâ (õèðóðãè, àíãèîãðàôèñòû è êàðäèîëîãè-òåðàïåâòû) è ó÷àñòèåì ñòàòèñòèêà ïðè îöåíêè ðàçáðîñà îòâåòîâ ýêñïåðòîâ.
2. È êîíå÷íî æå áûëî èíòåðåñíî ïîçíàêîìèòüñÿ ñî ñòàòüåé â JAMA, ïîòîìó ÷òî 11% ðåêîìåíäàöèé êëàññà IÀ ýòî, êîíå÷íî, âíóøàåò.
 èòîãå, òàì óæå çàäóìûâàþòñÿ íàä èçìåíåíèÿì ñòðàòåãèè íàïèñàíèÿ/âûðàáîòêè ðåêîìåíäàöèé, ê êîòîðûì ìû äàæå åùå íå äîøëè.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #110  
Ñòàðûé 28.02.2009, 19:40
Àâàòàð äëÿ dmblok
dmblok dmblok âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Êàíäèäàò â âåòåðàíû ôîðóìà
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 05.11.2006
Ãîðîä: Msk
Ñîîáùåíèé: 1,827
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 6
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 67 ðàç(à) çà 62 ñîîáùåíèé
dmblok ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådmblok ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådmblok ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådmblok ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådmblok ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådmblok ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådmblok ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådmblok ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådmblok ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådmblok ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådmblok ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Õî÷åòñÿ âûñêàçàòü äâå êðàìîëüíûå ìûñëè ïî âûøåñêàçàííîìó. Ñîáñòâåííî ãîâîðÿ îíè óæå îáñóæäàëèñü.
1)Ìíåíèå ýêñïåðòîâ ïîä÷àñ èìååò áîëüøåå çíà÷åíèå, ÷åì ÐÊÈ, ïîòîìó ÷òî îíî ó÷èòûâàåò íàöèîíàëüíûå è ìåñòíûå îñîáåííîñòè. Åñëè íóæíû ïðèìåðû, ìîãó ïðèâåñòè. Îñîáåííî ýòî êàñàåòñÿ êëèíè÷åñêèõ ñèòóàöèé, êîãäà çàäåéñòâîâàíà âûñîêîòåõíîëîãè÷íàÿ ìåäèöèíñêàÿ ïîìîùü, ñ áîëüøèì êîëè÷åñòâîì îáîðóäîâàíèÿ è òðåáóþùàÿ îäíîâðåìåííîé ðàáîòû ìíîãèõ ñïåöèàëèñòîâ.
2)Âûçûâàåò ñîìíåíèå æèçíåñïîñîáíîñòü àêêóðàòíîãî îáñ÷åòà ñòåíîçîâ ÊÀ â ðåàëüíîé êëèíè÷åñêîé ïðàêòèêå. Ñåðãåé Àëåêñàíäðîâè÷ ýíä êîìïàíè, ñêîëüêî íóæíî âðåìåíè, ÷òî áû äàòü îöåíêó ñîñòîÿíèÿ êîðîíàðíîãî ðóñëà ïî Syntax score ó ìíîãîñîñóäèñòîãî áîëüíîãî?
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #111  
Ñòàðûé 28.02.2009, 21:22
rsp rsp âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Âðà÷-ó÷àñòíèê ôîðóìà
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 17.12.2006
Ãîðîä: Ìîñêâà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 686
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 58 ðàç(à) çà 51 ñîîáùåíèé
rsp ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìårsp ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìårsp ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìårsp ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìårsp ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìårsp ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìårsp ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìårsp ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìårsp ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò dmblok Ïîñìîòðåòü ñîîáùåíèå
2)Âûçûâàåò ñîìíåíèå æèçíåñïîñîáíîñòü àêêóðàòíîãî îáñ÷åòà ñòåíîçîâ ÊÀ â ðåàëüíîé êëèíè÷åñêîé ïðàêòèêå. Ñåðãåé Àëåêñàíäðîâè÷ ýíä êîìïàíè, ñêîëüêî íóæíî âðåìåíè, ÷òî áû äàòü îöåíêó ñîñòîÿíèÿ êîðîíàðíîãî ðóñëà ïî Syntax score ó ìíîãîñîñóäèñòîãî áîëüíîãî?
ìèíóòû 2-3....âìåñòå ñ ïèñüìåííûì çàêëþ÷åíèåì. êñòàòè âèäåë àíîíñ, ÷òî Ïàòðèê Ñåðîéñ ïðåäñòàâèò íà áëèæàéøåì PCR ýëåêòðîííûé è âåá-âàðèàíò ýòîãî êàëüêóëÿòîðà.

Êîììåíòàðèè ê ñîîáùåíèþ:
dmblok îäîáðèë(à): Õîòåëîñü áû ïîñìîòðåòü, êàê ýòî âûãëÿäèò.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #112  
Ñòàðûé 28.02.2009, 21:25
Àâàòàð äëÿ dmblok
dmblok dmblok âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Êàíäèäàò â âåòåðàíû ôîðóìà
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 05.11.2006
Ãîðîä: Msk
Ñîîáùåíèé: 1,827
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 6
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 67 ðàç(à) çà 62 ñîîáùåíèé
dmblok ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådmblok ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådmblok ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådmblok ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådmblok ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådmblok ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådmblok ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådmblok ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådmblok ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådmblok ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådmblok ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò rsp Ïîñìîòðåòü ñîîáùåíèå
ìèíóòû 2-3....âìåñòå ñ ïèñüìåííûì çàêëþ÷åíèåì. êñòàòè âèäåë àíîíñ, ÷òî Ïàòðèê Ñåðîéñ ïðåäñòàâèò íà áëèæàéøåì PCR ýëåêòðîííûé è âåá-âàðèàíò ýòîãî êàëüêóëÿòîðà.
À ñêîëüêî ëè÷íî Âàì òðåáóåòñÿ äëÿ ýòîãî âðåìåíè? Íà ñåãîäíÿøíèé ìîìåíò. Îòêóäà äàííûå ïðî òàêîå êîðîòêîå âðåìÿ?
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #113  
Ñòàðûé 28.02.2009, 22:52
rsp rsp âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Âðà÷-ó÷àñòíèê ôîðóìà
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 17.12.2006
Ãîðîä: Ìîñêâà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 686
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 58 ðàç(à) çà 51 ñîîáùåíèé
rsp ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìårsp ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìårsp ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìårsp ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìårsp ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìårsp ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìårsp ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìårsp ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìårsp ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò dmblok Ïîñìîòðåòü ñîîáùåíèå
À ñêîëüêî ëè÷íî Âàì òðåáóåòñÿ äëÿ ýòîãî âðåìåíè? Íà ñåãîäíÿøíèé ìîìåíò. Îòêóäà äàííûå ïðî òàêîå êîðîòêîå âðåìÿ?
Èç ëè÷íîãî îïûòà. Âíà÷àëå îñâîåíèÿ, áåçóñëîâíî, âðåìåíè òðåáóåòñÿ áîëüøå, íî ïîñëå îñîçíàíèÿ ïðèíöèïîâ îñîáî âðåìåíè, èìõî, íå çàíèìàåò. Îñíîâíîé âîïðîñ, ñîáñòâåííî, íå â ïîòðà÷åííîì âðåìåíè,à â êëèíè÷åñêîé çíà÷èìîñòè è íåîáõîäèìîñòè.
Íàïðàøèâàåòñÿ âñòðå÷íûé âîïðîñ: íàñêîëüêî ÷àñòî Âû èñïîëüçóåòå îöåíêó ðèñêîâ ïî TIMI èëè GRACE ó áîëüíûõ ñ ÎÊÑ è ÎÈÌ? çâó÷àò ëè ýòè áàëüíûå ñèñòåìû â Âàøèõ äîêëàäàõ î ñîñòîÿíèè ïîñòóïèâøèõ ïàöèåíòîâ?
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #114  
Ñòàðûé 28.02.2009, 23:45
Àâàòàð äëÿ dmblok
dmblok dmblok âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Êàíäèäàò â âåòåðàíû ôîðóìà
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 05.11.2006
Ãîðîä: Msk
Ñîîáùåíèé: 1,827
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 6
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 67 ðàç(à) çà 62 ñîîáùåíèé
dmblok ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådmblok ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådmblok ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådmblok ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådmblok ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådmblok ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådmblok ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådmblok ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådmblok ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådmblok ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådmblok ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò rsp Ïîñìîòðåòü ñîîáùåíèå
Íàïðàøèâàåòñÿ âñòðå÷íûé âîïðîñ: íàñêîëüêî ÷àñòî Âû èñïîëüçóåòå îöåíêó ðèñêîâ ïî TIMI èëè GRACE ó áîëüíûõ ñ ÎÊÑ è ÎÈÌ? çâó÷àò ëè ýòè áàëüíûå ñèñòåìû â Âàøèõ äîêëàäàõ î ñîñòîÿíèè ïîñòóïèâøèõ ïàöèåíòîâ?
Íå èñïîëüçóåì íàïðÿìóþ. Âûñîêèé ðèñê îöåíèâàåì èíäèâèäóàëüíî, áåç êàëüêóëÿòîðîâ. È ÿ íå çíàþ, ïðàâèëüíî ýòî èëè íåò.
Îáñ÷åò àíãèîãðàôè÷åñêîé êàðòèíêè, åñëè ïîäõîäèòü ê íåìó íåôîðìàëüíî, èìõî äåëî êóäà áîëåå òðóäîåìêîå. Âïðî÷åì Âàì, êîíå÷íî, âèäíåå.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #115  
Ñòàðûé 03.03.2009, 19:54
Àâàòàð äëÿ Abugov
Abugov Abugov âíå ôîðóìà
Ðåíòãåíîõèðóðã
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 20.02.2007
Ãîðîä: Ìîñêâà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 2,179
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 202 ðàç(à) çà 197 ñîîáùåíèé
Çàïèñåé â äíåâíèêå: 2
Abugov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAbugov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAbugov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAbugov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAbugov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAbugov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAbugov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAbugov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAbugov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAbugov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAbugov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Ïóáëè÷íîñòü âðåäíà:
Öèòàòà:
Public Reporting of State PCI Results May Backfire

By Jason Kahn
Monday, March 02, 2009

Rather than fostering more informed patient decisions about the quality of a hospital’s interventional care, public reporting of in-hospital mortality figures for percutaneous coronary intervention (PCI) procedures may have an unintended consequence. Physicians may shy away from offering PCI to the patients at highest risk, instead performing PCI more liberally in low-risk patients whose potential benefits are marginal at best, according to a review article in the March 10, 2009, issue of the Journal of the American College of Cardiology.
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Àáóãîâ Ñåðãåé Àëåêñàíäðîâè÷.
Ðîññèéñêèé Íàó÷íûé Öåíòð Õèðóðãèè èì. àêàäåìèêà Á.Â. Ïåòðîâñêîãî.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #116  
Ñòàðûé 04.03.2009, 20:44
Àâàòàð äëÿ Gilarov
Gilarov Gilarov âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Âðà÷-ó÷àñòíèê ôîðóìà
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 26.07.2001
Ãîðîä: Ìîñêâà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 7,196
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 713 ðàç(à) çà 691 ñîîáùåíèé
Gilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Íàêîíåö-òî ïîÿâèëñÿ êîíñåíñóñ.
Ìíå ïîíðàâèëîñü ââåäåíèå ïîíÿòèé êëèíè÷åñêîé è ëàáîðàòîðíîé ðåçèñòåíòíîñòè.
Ññûëêà: [Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ]

Êîììåíòàðèè ê ñîîáùåíèþ:
Yariko îäîáðèë(à):
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #117  
Ñòàðûé 05.03.2009, 10:30
Igor73 Igor73 âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Âðà÷-ó÷àñòíèê ôîðóìà
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 17.03.2005
Ãîðîä: Ìîñêâà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 1,195
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 69 ðàç(à) çà 53 ñîîáùåíèé
Igor73 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåIgor73 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåIgor73 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåIgor73 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåIgor73 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåIgor73 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåIgor73 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåIgor73 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåIgor73 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåIgor73 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåIgor73 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Ïëàâèêñ è èíãèáèòîðû ïðîòîííîé ïîìïû

Risk of Adverse Outcomes Associated With Concomitant Use of Clopidogrel and Proton Pump Inhibitors Following Acute Coronary Syndrome
Context Prior mechanistic studies reported that omeprazole decreases the platelet inhibitory effects of clopidogrel, yet the clinical significance of these findings is not clear.
Objective To assess outcomes of patients taking clopidogrel with or without a proton pump inhibitor (PPI) after hospitalization for acute coronary syndrome (ACS).
Design, Setting, and Patients Retrospective cohort study of 8205 patients with ACS taking clopidogrel after discharge from 127 Veterans Affairs hospitals between
October 1, 2003, and January 31, 2006. Vital status information was available for all patients through September 30, 2006.
Main Outcome Measures All-cause mortality or rehospitalization for ACS.
Results Of 8205 patients taking clopidogrel after discharge, 63.9%(n=5244) were prescribed PPI at discharge, during follow-up, or both and 36.1%(n=2961) were not prescribed PPI. Death or rehospitalization for ACS occurred in 20.8%(n=615) of patients taking clopidogrel without PPI and 29.8% (n=1561) of patients taking clopidogrel plus PPI. In multivariable analyses, use of clopidogrel plus PPI was associated with an increased risk of death or rehospitalization for ACS compared with use of clopidogrel without PPI (adjusted odds ratio [AOR], 1.25; 95%confidence interval [CI],
1.11-1.41). Among patients taking clopidogrel after hospital discharge and prescribed PPI at any point during follow-up (n=5244), periods of use of clopidogrel plus PPI (compared with periods of use of clopidogrel without PPI) were associated with a higher risk of death or rehospitalization for ACS (adjusted hazard ratio, 1.27; 95%CI, 1.10-1.46). In analyses of secondary outcomes, patients taking clopidogrel plus PPI had a higher risk of hospitalizations for recurrent ACS compared with patients taking clopidogrel without PPI (14.6% vs 6.9%; AOR, 1.86 [95% CI, 1.57-2.20]) and revascularization procedures (15.5% vs 11.9%; AOR, 1.49 [95% CI, 1.30-1.71]), but not for all-cause mortality (19.9% vs 16.6%; AOR, 0.91 [95% CI, 0.80-1.05]). The association between use of clopidogrel plus PPI and increased risk of adverse outcomes also was consistent using a nested case-control study design (AOR, 1.32; 95% CI, 1.14-1.54). In addition, use of PPI without clopidogrel was not associated with death or rehospitalization for ACS among patients not taking clopidogrel after hospi-
tal discharge (n=6450) (AOR, 0.98; 95% CI, 0.85-1.13).
Conclusion Concomitant use of clopidogrel and PPI after hospital discharge for ACS was associated with an increased risk of adverse outcomes than use of clopidogrel without PPI, suggesting that use of PPI may be associated with attenuation of benefits of clopidogrel after ACS.
JAMA. 2009;301(9):937-944
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #118  
Ñòàðûé 10.03.2009, 21:42
Àâàòàð äëÿ dmblok
dmblok dmblok âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Êàíäèäàò â âåòåðàíû ôîðóìà
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 05.11.2006
Ãîðîä: Msk
Ñîîáùåíèé: 1,827
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Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #119  
Ñòàðûé 10.03.2009, 23:50
Àâàòàð äëÿ Gilarov
Gilarov Gilarov âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Âðà÷-ó÷àñòíèê ôîðóìà
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 26.07.2001
Ãîðîä: Ìîñêâà
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Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 713 ðàç(à) çà 691 ñîîáùåíèé
Gilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Äëÿ ëþáèòåëåé ïàìïèíãà:A systematic review and meta-analysis of intra-aortic balloon pump therapy in ST-elevation myocardial infarction: should we change the guidelines?
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Ó ìåíÿ ïî ïðî÷òåíèè âîçíèêëà ìûñëü, ÷òî áåç PCI ÂÀÁÊ íå ñëèøêîì ïîìîãàåò. À ÷òî ñêàæåò óâàæàåìûé dmblok?
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #120  
Ñòàðûé 12.03.2009, 12:26
Àâàòàð äëÿ dmblok
dmblok dmblok âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Êàíäèäàò â âåòåðàíû ôîðóìà
      
 
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Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 67 ðàç(à) çà 62 ñîîáùåíèé
dmblok ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådmblok ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådmblok ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådmblok ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådmblok ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådmblok ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådmblok ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådmblok ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådmblok ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådmblok ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådmblok ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò Gilarov Ïîñìîòðåòü ñîîáùåíèå
Ó ìåíÿ ïî ïðî÷òåíèè âîçíèêëà ìûñëü, ÷òî áåç PCI ÂÀÁÊ íå ñëèøêîì ïîìîãàåò. À ÷òî ñêàæåò óâàæàåìûé dmblok?
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Öèòàòà:
The meta-analysis of cohort studies in the setting of STEMI complicated by cardiogenic shock supported IABP therapy adjunctive to thrombolysis. In contrast, the observational data did not support IABP therapy adjunctive to primary PCI.
Äèçàéí èññëåäîâàíèé êîòîðûå ìíå èçâåñòíû ïî ýòîé òåìå, â òîì ÷èñëå âîøåäøèå â ýòîò ìåòà-àíàëèç, âûçûâàþò ñîìíåíèÿ. Âîîáùå, êîãäà ÷èòàåøü ïîäîáíûå ðåçóëüòàòû, ó ìåíÿ âîçíèêàåò îùóùåíèå - "íå âåðü ãëàçàì ñâîèì".  òîé æå ñòåïåíè ýòî êàñàåòñÿ ïðèìåíèÿ èíîòðîïîâ ïðè ëåâîæåëóäî÷êîâîé íåäîñòàòî÷íîñòè.
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