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Îïöèè òåìû Ïîèñê â ýòîé òåìå Îïöèè ïðîñìîòðà
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Ñòàðûé 07.10.2012, 10:56
Àâàòàð äëÿ audovichenko
audovichenko audovichenko âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Âðà÷-ó÷àñòíèê ôîðóìà
      
 
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audovichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåaudovichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåaudovichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåaudovichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåaudovichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåaudovichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåaudovichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåaudovichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåaudovichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåaudovichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåaudovichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Àëåêñàíäð Èâàíîâè÷, ýòî íå ãëóáîêèé êîíñåðâàòèçì, à íåäîïîíèìàíèå òîãî, ÷òî îçíà÷àåò ôîðìóëèðîâêà IIb.

Åñòü ìàññà ñèòóàöèé, êîãäà ÍÅÎÒÊÓÄÀ âçÿòü ðåêîìåíäàöèè êëàññîì âûøå. Âîçüìèòå, ïî÷èòàéòå, íàïðèìåð, ãàéäëàéíû ïî ëå÷åíèþ èíôåêöèîííîãî ýíäîêàðäèòà. Òàì äëÿ ýìïèðè÷åñêîé òåðàïèè êðîìå êàê IIb îñîáî è âàðèàíòîâ-òî íåò äîêàçàòåëüíîñòè. È íå ïîòîìó, ÷òî "âñå ïëîõî, íå ðåêîìåíäóåòñÿ", à ïîòîìó ÷òî áîëåçíü òÿæåëàÿ è ðåçóëüòàòû ëå÷åíèÿ àïðèîðè íå áûâàþò ñóïåðçàìå÷àòåëüíûìè äî ïîëó÷åíèÿ ïîñåâîâ.
È ÷òî òåïåðü, íå íà÷èíàòü òåðàïèþ äî ïîëó÷åíèÿ ãåìîêóëüòóðû? À îíà âåäü åùå è íå âñåãäà îêàçûâàåòñÿ ïîëîæèòåëüíîé, äàæå ïðè íàëè÷èè âñåõ îñòàëüíûõ íåñîìíåííûõ ïðèçíàêîâ ÈÝ.

 îáùåì, ýòî ÿ òàê, ïðîñòî â êà÷åñòâå ïðèìåðà. Íà ñàìîì äåëå, èõ íåñòü ÷èñëà.

Êîììåíòàðèè ê ñîîáùåíèþ:
Tihoma îäîáðèë(à): Õîðîøèé ïðèìåð.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #572  
Ñòàðûé 07.10.2012, 12:03
Àâàòàð äëÿ Gilarov
Gilarov Gilarov âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Âðà÷-ó÷àñòíèê ôîðóìà
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 26.07.2001
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Gilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Èíòåðåñíîå êèíî....
[Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ]
Ïîíÿòíî, ÷òî íóæíû ÐÊÈ, íî òåíäåíöèÿ, îäíàêî.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #573  
Ñòàðûé 07.10.2012, 13:36
Àâàòàð äëÿ Korzun
Korzun Korzun âíå ôîðóìà
ÂÐÀ×
      
 
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Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 10,546 ðàç(à) çà 9,712 ñîîáùåíèé
Korzun ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåKorzun ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåKorzun ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåKorzun ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåKorzun ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåKorzun ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåKorzun ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåKorzun ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåKorzun ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåKorzun ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåKorzun ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò audovichenko Ïîñìîòðåòü ñîîáùåíèå
Àëåêñàíäð Èâàíîâè÷, ýòî íå ãëóáîêèé êîíñåðâàòèçì, à íåäîïîíèìàíèå òîãî, ÷òî îçíà÷àåò ôîðìóëèðîâêà IIb.
Àííà Åâãåíüåâíà, ÿ æå òâåðäî óâåðåí, ÷òî íåäîïîíèìàíèå ó Âàñ
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Àëåêñàíäð Èâàíîâè÷
ñ ïîæåëàíèÿìè êðåïêîãî çäîðîâüÿ
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #574  
Ñòàðûé 07.10.2012, 15:21
Àâàòàð äëÿ audovichenko
audovichenko audovichenko âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Âðà÷-ó÷àñòíèê ôîðóìà
      
 
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audovichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåaudovichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåaudovichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåaudovichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåaudovichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåaudovichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåaudovichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåaudovichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåaudovichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåaudovichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåaudovichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò Korzun Ïîñìîòðåòü ñîîáùåíèå
Àííà Åâãåíüåâíà, ÿ æå òâåðäî óâåðåí, ÷òî íåäîïîíèìàíèå ó Âàñ
 òàêîì ñëó÷àå, äàâàéòå îñòàíåìñÿ êàæäûé ïðè ñâîåì ìíåíèè, íî ñ óñëîâèåì - Âû áîëüøå íå áóäåòå ïîäíèìàòü ýòó òåìó.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
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Àâàòàð äëÿ angio
angio angio âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Âðà÷-ó÷àñòíèê ôîðóìà
 
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Çàïèñåé â äíåâíèêå: 1
angio ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåangio ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåangio ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåangio ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåangio ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåangio ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåangio ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåangio ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåangio ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Ê âîïðîñó î ðàííåé îòìåíå ÄÀÀÒ.
[Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ]

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Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
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Ñòàðûé 23.10.2012, 09:54
GIZA GIZA âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Çàñëóæåííûé ó÷àñòíèê
 
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GIZA ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGIZA ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGIZA ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGIZA ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGIZA ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGIZA ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGIZA ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGIZA ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
The effects of lowering LDL cholesterol with statin therapy in people at low risk of vascular disease: meta-analysis of individual data from 27 randomised trials.
[Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ]
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
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Ñòàðûé 23.10.2012, 15:06
GIZA GIZA âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Çàñëóæåííûé ó÷àñòíèê
 
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FDA ïðåäóïðåæäàåò: äåéñòâóéòå îñòîðîæíî!
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Focus on lipids: Risks and benefits of statin therapy

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Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
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Gilarov Gilarov âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Âðà÷-ó÷àñòíèê ôîðóìà
      
 
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Gilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Íåò õóäà áåç äîáðà. Òðîìáîçîâ áîëüøå, çàòî êðîâîòå÷åíèé - ìåíüøå.
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MIAMI — New data from the Assessment of Dual Antiplatelet Therapy with Drug Eluting Stents (ADAPT-DES) shows that clopidogrel hyporesponsiveness does not predict one-year mortality in drug-eluting-stent recipients because the increased risk of thrombosis is offset by a lower risk of bleeding [1,2].

In light of this result, "overcoming clopidogrel hyporesponsiveness with more potent antiplatelet agents is therefore unlikely to improve survival unless the beneficial effects of reducing stent thrombosis and myocardial infarction can be uncoupled from the likely increase in bleeding with greater platelet inhibition," ADAPT-DES investigator Dr Thomas Stuckey (Moses Cone Heart and Vascular Center, Greensboro, NC) said at TCT 2012, where he and Dr Gregg Stone (Columbia University, NY) presented an analysis of the relationship between clopidogrel hyporesponsiveness and subsequent adverse events in the ADAPT-DES patients.

Commenting on the study, Dr Ajay Kirtane (New York-Presbyterian Hospital, NY) said, "We know that hyporesponsiveness is a risk factor for ischemic events, but the therapies we have to treat those ischemic events--more potent antiplatelet therapies--increase the risk of bleeding, so we do have figure out in whom should we use those therapies."

Unfortunately, these data do not identify that patient population. Commenting on the analysis, Dr Alice Jacobs (Boston Medical Center, MA) said, "This is a testament to the conundrum that we're seeing with these newer [antiplatelet] agents. We haven't gotten to that sweet spot of matching the increased efficacy and the problem of bleeding. So I don't think these data will change anything now."

Stuckey said: "We're trying to gain the advantage of newer and better agents but uncoupling them from the bleeding. There are a lot of issues related to that--the timing of the bleeding, the type of bleeding, procedure-related vs later. But if you tackle those things as separate issues, there may be a sweet spot where you can define people who are or are not at risk for bleeding and target the therapy like we have in many other areas," he predicted.

Protection From Bleeding Balances Thrombosis Risk

As reported by heartwire , the 8575-patient ADAPT-DES registry showed that absolute and relative levels of platelet inhibition independently predict stent thrombosis in patients with a DES, although the test used to measure platelet reactivity in the study, the VerifyNow (Accumetrics) assay, is not specific or sensitive enough to predict one-month stent-thrombosis risk in individual patients.

The new ADAPT-DES data released at TCT 2012 show that, at one-year postprocedure, 70 patients (0.84%) had a stent thrombosis, 224 had an MI (2.7%), 531 suffered a major bleed (6.2%), and 161 died (1.9%).

Clopidogrel hyporesponsiveness, defined as a VerifyNow score of 208 platelet reactivity units (PRU) or greater, was found in 42.7% of patients in the study. This clopidogrel hyporesponsiveness was significantly associated with stent thrombosis, as 1.3% of clopidogrel hyporesponsive patients suffered thrombosis vs only 0.5% of nonhyporesponsive patients. It was also associated with more MI, 3.9% vs 2.7%. However, clopidogrel hyporesponsiveness also predicted a lower risk of major bleeding in the study, 5.6% vs 6.7%.

Clopidogrel hyporesponsive patients had a higher one-year mortality rate than nonhyporesponsive patients in the trial, 2.4% vs 1.5%, but multivariable modeling demonstrated no independent association between clopidogrel hyporesponsiveness and mortality.

Aspirin hyporesponsiveness was defined as a score of over 550 aspirin reactive units on the VerifyNow assay. In these patients, hyporesponsiveness to aspirin predicted a slightly lower risk of bleeding but did not predict a difference in stent thrombosis, heart attack, or death. This calls into question the value of aspirin in patients treated with DES, since stent thrombosis is the most important risk associated with DES, Stuckey and Stone said.

Dr Ted Feldman (Evanston Hospital, IL) agreed that the analysis leaves clinicians with no more clarity on how to balance bleeding and thrombosis risk in DES patients. "These are more data in the pool, but definitely only a glimmer and not a big blast of light. . . . I've been waiting to buy a bedside platelet assay testing machine, and I won't feel guilty about waiting a little longer."
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Ñòàðûé 02.11.2012, 08:41
rsp rsp âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
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rsp ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìårsp ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìårsp ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìårsp ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìårsp ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìårsp ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìårsp ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìårsp ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìårsp ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Beta blockers of no use in stable CAD patients

Î÷åðåäíîé âèòîê â äèñêóññèè: òàê ëè ïîëåçíû [Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ]:
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...New York, NY - New registry data indicate that beta blockers do not appear to be of any benefit in three distinct groups of stable outpatients: those with coronary artery disease (CAD) but no history of MI; those with a remote history of MI (one year or more); and those with coronary risk factors only [1].

Lead author Dr Sripal Bangalore (New York University School of Medicine, NY) told heartwire that the evidence for beta-blocker use has mainly been based on old post-MI trials that antedate modern reperfusion or medical therapy and heart-failure trials. People have extrapolated from these trials and assumed that the drugs are also beneficial in those with CAD and even those with just risk factors for CAD, he says, but it is not known if this is justified. Bangalore and colleagues decided to investigate further; they report their findings in the Journal of the American Medical Association, published online October 2, 2012...

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  #580  
Ñòàðûé 03.11.2012, 13:16
Àâàòàð äëÿ Chevychelov
Chevychelov Chevychelov âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
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Chevychelov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåChevychelov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåChevychelov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåChevychelov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåChevychelov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåChevychelov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåChevychelov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåChevychelov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåChevychelov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåChevychelov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåChevychelov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Sexual Activity and Cardiovascular Disease
A Scientific Statement From the American Heart Association
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Êîììåíòàðèè íà ðóññêîì ÿçûêå
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  #581  
Ñòàðûé 03.11.2012, 13:24
Àâàòàð äëÿ Chevychelov
Chevychelov Chevychelov âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
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Chevychelov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåChevychelov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåChevychelov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåChevychelov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåChevychelov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåChevychelov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåChevychelov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåChevychelov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåChevychelov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåChevychelov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåChevychelov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Sodium, Blood Pressure, and Cardiovascular Disease Further Evidence Supporting the American Heart Association Sodium Reduction Recommendations 2012
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  #582  
Ñòàðûé 03.11.2012, 14:24
Àâàòàð äëÿ Chevychelov
Chevychelov Chevychelov âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Âåòåðàí ôîðóìà
      
 
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Chevychelov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåChevychelov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåChevychelov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåChevychelov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåChevychelov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåChevychelov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåChevychelov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåChevychelov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåChevychelov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåChevychelov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåChevychelov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Óìåðåííîå óïîòðåáëåíèå êîôå àññîöèèðóåòñÿ ñ áîëåå íèçêèì ðèñêîì èíñóëüòà:
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Ñòàðûé 09.11.2012, 11:07
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ß óâåðåí, ÷òî áîëüøèíñòâî â êóðñå. Íî ìîæåò áûòü êòî-òî åùå íå çíàåò ïðî ëþáîïûòíûé ñàéò [Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ]

Ê ñëîâó, èìåííî òàì áóäåò ïðîõîäèòü òðàíñëÿöèÿ ÀÍÎèÑÇÐ 16.11.2012.

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  #584  
Ñòàðûé 09.11.2012, 18:46
Àâàòàð äëÿ Dr.Vad
Dr.Vad Dr.Vad íà ôîðóìå
Ìîäåðàòîð ôîðóìà ïî ãåìàòîëîãèè
      
 
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Dr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
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Óìåðåííîå óïîòðåáëåíèå êîôå àññîöèèðóåòñÿ ñ áîëåå íèçêèì ðèñêîì èíñóëüòà
Êîôå òàêæå ñíèæàåò ðèñê âåíîçíîãî òðîìáîçà è ïîõîæå èñêëþ÷èòåëüíî çà ñ÷åò ñíèæåíèÿ ôàêòîðîâ 8 è ôîí Âèëëåáðàíäà.

J Thromb Haemost. 2012 Oct 20.
Coffee consumption is associated with a lower risk of venous thrombosis which is mediated through haemostatic factor levels.
Roach R, Siegerink B, le Cessie S, Rosendaal F, Cannegieter S, Lijfering W.

Background: Coffee consumption is associated with a lower risk of venous thrombosis, but the role of confounding and the pathophysiology behind these findings are unclear. Objective: To assess the role of haemostatic factors in the relation between coffee consumption and venous thrombosis. Methods: From a large case-control study, 1803 patients with a first venous thrombosis and 1803 partner controls were included. With conditional logistic regression, odds ratios (OR) and 95% confidence intervals for venous thrombosis were calculated for coffee consumption versus no coffee consumption. In addition, mean differences in haemostatic factor levels between these groups were calculated in the controls. Results: Coffee consumption yielded a 30% lower risk of venous thrombosis compared with no coffee consumption (OR 0.7, 0.5-0.9). Adjustment for several putative confounders (age, sex, BMI, smoking, hormonal factors, statin, aspirin, alcohol, malignancy and chronic disease) yielded an OR of 0.8 (0.6-1.1). Results were similar for provoked and unprovoked events, and for deep vein thrombosis and pulmonary embolism. In controls, von Willebrand factor was 11 (3 to 19) IU/dL lower and factor VIII levels were 11 (1 to 21) IU/dL lower in coffee consumers than in non consumers. After adjusting the risk estimates for these haemostatic factors, the inverse association between coffee consumption and venous thrombosis diminished: OR 1.0 (0.7-1.4). There was no association between coffee consumption and anticoagulant proteins, fibrinogen levels or fibrinolytic markers. Conclusions: Coffee consumption is associated with a lower risk of venous thrombosis, which seems to be mediated through von Willebrand factor and factor VIII.
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...looked for new Q waves (silent MIs) in patients who were not reported to have had a MI. They found 28 further cases.
Now the total number of MIs were distributed as roughly 98 and 97 in the dabigatran arms vs 75 in the warfarin group. There was no longer a significant trend pointing to a signal of concern with dabigatran.
....We went further and said MI is not the only myocardial ischemic event that can happen and we therefore included acute coronary syndrome. We included coronary vascularization by coronary artery bypass graft or percutaneous coronary intervention. We included cardiac arrest, which is oftentimes caused by ischemia. We included cardiovascular death. If we enrich our endpoints by combining this then we can see that there is absolutely no difference in terms of outcomes between the 3 groups. If anything, the dabigatran groups tended to have lower event rates than the warfarin group.
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