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Îïöèè òåìû Ïîèñê â ýòîé òåìå Îïöèè ïðîñìîòðà
  #1  
Ñòàðûé 29.06.2009, 15:45
Àâàòàð äëÿ dmblok
dmblok dmblok âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Êàíäèäàò â âåòåðàíû ôîðóìà
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 05.11.2006
Ãîðîä: Msk
Ñîîáùåíèé: 1,827
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 6
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 67 ðàç(à) çà 62 ñîîáùåíèé
dmblok ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådmblok ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådmblok ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådmblok ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådmblok ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådmblok ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådmblok ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådmblok ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådmblok ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådmblok ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådmblok ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Ñîñòîÿíèå íàòèâíûõ àðòåðèè ïîñëå øóíòèðîâàíèÿ

Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò audovichenko Ïîñìîòðåòü ñîîáùåíèå
Ïî ñóòè âîïðîñà: ïðåæíèå ñîñóäû äîëæíû ïðîäîëæàòü ðàáîòàòü.
Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò cerebellum Ïîñìîòðåòü ñîîáùåíèå
Ïðè êëàññè÷åñêîì âûïîëíåíèè ÀÊØ ïðîõîäèìîñòü ðîäíûõ ñîñóäîâ ñîõðàíÿåòñÿ íà èñõîäíîì óðîâíå. Ðàçóìååòñÿ, îò ïðîãðåññèðîâàíèÿ àòåðîñêëåðîçà îíè íå çàñòðàõîâàíû.
Ìíå êàæåòñÿ ïîäíÿòàÿ òåìà î÷åíü èíòåðåñíàÿ è íå òàêàÿ îäíîçíà÷íàÿ, êàê íà ïåðâûé âçãëÿä êàæåòñÿ. Áóäåò çäîðîâî, åñëè ìîäåðàòîðû ïåðåíåñóò åå â ñïåöèàëèçèðîâàííûé ðàçäåë è íàéäóòñÿ æåëàþùèå âûñêàçàòü ñâîå ìíåíèå.

Êîììåíòàðèè ê ñîîáùåíèþ:
dav1972 îäîáðèë(à):
Maltsev îäîáðèë(à):
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #2  
Ñòàðûé 29.06.2009, 21:44
Àâàòàð äëÿ audovichenko
audovichenko audovichenko âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Âðà÷-ó÷àñòíèê ôîðóìà
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 26.01.2006
Ãîðîä: Ìîñêâà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 7,477
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 1,531 ðàç(à) çà 1,497 ñîîáùåíèé
audovichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåaudovichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåaudovichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåaudovichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåaudovichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåaudovichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåaudovichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåaudovichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåaudovichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåaudovichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåaudovichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Äàâàéòå îáñóäèì
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #3  
Ñòàðûé 30.06.2009, 07:01
Àâàòàð äëÿ Abugov
Abugov Abugov âíå ôîðóìà
Ðåíòãåíîõèðóðã
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 20.02.2007
Ãîðîä: Ìîñêâà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 2,179
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 202 ðàç(à) çà 197 ñîîáùåíèé
Çàïèñåé â äíåâíèêå: 2
Abugov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAbugov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAbugov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAbugov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAbugov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAbugov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAbugov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAbugov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAbugov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAbugov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAbugov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
×åñòíî ãîâîðÿ, â êíèæêó íå çàãëÿäûâàë, íî îáùåå âïå÷àòëåíèå:
Ïðè øóíòèðîâàíèè ñóáòîòàëüíî ñòåíîçèðîâàííîãî ñîñóäà ÷àùå ïðîèñõîäèò îêêëþçèÿ íàòèâíîãî ðóñëà. Ïðè øóíòèðîâàíèè ìàëîçíà÷èìûõ ñòåíîçîâ, ñîñóä êîíêóðèðóåò ñ øóíòîì, ÷àñòî íå â ïîëüçó ïîñëåäíåãî. Åñòåñòâåííàÿ ïðîãðåññèÿ àòåðîñêëåðîòè÷åñêîãî ïîðàæåíèÿ, ïî-âèäèìîìó, çà ðàìêàìè äèñêóññèè.
Äèìà, òû îá ýòîì õîòåë ïîãîâîðèòü?
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Àáóãîâ Ñåðãåé Àëåêñàíäðîâè÷.
Ðîññèéñêèé Íàó÷íûé Öåíòð Õèðóðãèè èì. àêàäåìèêà Á.Â. Ïåòðîâñêîãî.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #4  
Ñòàðûé 30.06.2009, 09:56
Àâàòàð äëÿ dmblok
dmblok dmblok âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Êàíäèäàò â âåòåðàíû ôîðóìà
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 05.11.2006
Ãîðîä: Msk
Ñîîáùåíèé: 1,827
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 6
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 67 ðàç(à) çà 62 ñîîáùåíèé
dmblok ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådmblok ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådmblok ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådmblok ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådmblok ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådmblok ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådmblok ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådmblok ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådmblok ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådmblok ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådmblok ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò Abugov Ïîñìîòðåòü ñîîáùåíèå
×åñòíî ãîâîðÿ, â êíèæêó íå çàãëÿäûâàë, íî îáùåå âïå÷àòëåíèå:
Ïðè øóíòèðîâàíèè ñóáòîòàëüíî ñòåíîçèðîâàííîãî ñîñóäà ÷àùå ïðîèñõîäèò îêêëþçèÿ íàòèâíîãî ðóñëà. Ïðè øóíòèðîâàíèè ìàëîçíà÷èìûõ ñòåíîçîâ, ñîñóä êîíêóðèðóåò ñ øóíòîì, ÷àñòî íå â ïîëüçó ïîñëåäíåãî. Åñòåñòâåííàÿ ïðîãðåññèÿ àòåðîñêëåðîòè÷åñêîãî ïîðàæåíèÿ, ïî-âèäèìîìó, çà ðàìêàìè äèñêóññèè.
Äèìà, òû îá ýòîì õîòåë ïîãîâîðèòü?
Íåëüçÿ ñêàçàòü, ÷òî ñóùåñòâåò òîííà ëèòåðàòóðû ïî ýòîìó âîïðîñó. Îäíàêî, êîå-÷òî èìååòñÿ â ïðèíöèïå ñîâïàäàþùåå ñ Âàøèìè âïå÷àòëåíèÿìè. Äëÿ ìåíÿ
íå ñîâñåì ïîíÿòíî ïî÷åìó ïðîèñõîäèò ïðîãðåññèÿ ïðîêñèìàëüíûõ ñòåíîçîâ, îñîáåííî â ñîñóäàõ øóíòèðîâàíûõ âåíàìè.

Predictors of Progression of Native Coronary Narrowing to Total Occlusion After Coronary Artery Bypass Grafting


[Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ]



Öèòàòà:
Evaluation of the proximal stenosis of native coronary vessels after coronary artery bypass grafting
This study was designed to evaluate proximal native coronary stenosis (PNCS) after coronary artery bypass grafting (CABG). In 36 patients undergoing postoperative coronary arteriography, the PNCS bypassed with internal thoracic artery (ITA), saphenous vein graft (SVG) and right gastroepiploic artery (RGEA) progressed in 9 of 23 vessels (39%), in 15 of 28 vessels (53%), in 4 of 11 vessels (36%), respectively. Stenosis of no grafted coronary vessels progressed in 3 of 26 vessels (11%). Twelve native coronary vessels (9: 99% and 3: 90% stenosis vessels) bypassed with grafts were obstructed. This study confirms that the PNCS progresses significantly by CABG just after the operation and that it tends to progress highly with SVG in comparison with arterial grafts such as ITA or RGEA. Because operative mortality for repeated CABG is approximately twice as high as that for primary CABG, it is important to decide whether early postoperative percutaneous transluminal angioplasty is needed or not, in considering of future graft failure and stenosis progression of the native coronary vessels by CABG.
Authors S Hirai, Y Hamanaka, N Mitsui, K Morifuji, M Sutoh (Affiliation: Department of Thoracic and Cardiovascular Surgery, Hiroshima Prefectural Hospital, Hiroshima, Japan.)
Journal Kyobu geka. The Japanese journal of thoracic surgery (Kyobu Geka) Vol. 58 Issue 9 Pg. 795-8 (Aug 2005) ISSN: 0021-5252 Japan
Öèòàòà:
Effect of coronary artery bypass grafting on native coronary artery stenosis. Comparison of internal thoracic artery and saphenous vein grafts.
Hamada Y, Kawachi K, Yamamoto T, Nakata T, Kashu Y, Watanabe Y, Sato M.
Department of Surgery II, Ehime University School of Medicine, Sigenobu, Ehime, Japan.

J Cardiovasc Surg (Torino). 2001 Apr;42(2):159-64.

BACKGROUND: The purpose of this study was to investigate the influence of coronary artery bypass grafting on the degree of stenosis of the native coronary artery. METHODS: Experimental design: retrospective data analysis. Setting: University hospital. Patients: consecutive patients undergoing coronary artery bypass grafting (n=52). Bypasses using internal thoracic artery grafts (n=26) and saphenous vein grafts (n=37) to incompletely occluded coronary arteries were studied. Interventions: coronary artery bypass grafting using internal thoracic artery or saphenous vein grafts. Measures: stenosis of the native coronary artery on angiography. RESULTS: Three recipient coronary arteries bypassed with internal thoracic artery grafts (12%) and 14 recipient coronary arteries bypassed with saphenous vein grafts (38%) showed progression of narrowing (p=0.024). Two recipient coronary arteries bypassed with internal thoracic artery grafts (8%) and 13 recipient coronary arteries bypassed with saphenous vein grafts (35%) showed total occlusion (p=0.016). Hypertension, hyperlipidemia, diabetes mellitus, and smoking history did not correlate with progression of stenosis of the native coronary arteries. Graft flow measured during surgery in the saphenous vein grafts was not significantly different between the group that exhibited progression of the native stenosis and the group that did not. CONCLUSIONS: Coronary artery bypass grafting with saphenous vein grafts may result in progression of stenosis of the recipient coronary artery. This is less likely after coronary artery bypass grafting with internal thoracic artery grafts. This difference may be due to the ability of the pedicled internal thoracic artery graft to regulate flow. Thus competitive flow in the native coronary artery is minimized. This has significant clinical implications.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #5  
Ñòàðûé 30.06.2009, 10:55
rsp rsp âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Âðà÷-ó÷àñòíèê ôîðóìà
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 17.12.2006
Ãîðîä: Ìîñêâà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 686
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 58 ðàç(à) çà 51 ñîîáùåíèé
rsp ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìårsp ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìårsp ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìårsp ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìårsp ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìårsp ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìårsp ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìårsp ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìårsp ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
êàðäèîõèðóðãîâ áû ïðèâëå÷ü ê îòâåòó...íî îíè ðàçóìíî èãíîðèðóþò ïîäîáíûå äèñêóññèè.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
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Ñòàðûé 30.06.2009, 17:50
Àâàòàð äëÿ Maltsev
Maltsev Maltsev âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Ïîñòîÿííûé ó÷àñòíèê
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 28.12.2007
Ãîðîä: Ìîñêâà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 345
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 11
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 15 ðàç(à) çà 15 ñîîáùåíèé
Maltsev ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMaltsev ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMaltsev ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMaltsev ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Êàê òî ìíå ïîïàäàëàñü íà ãëàçà îäíà ñòàòüÿ ïðî shear stress ïîòîêîì êðîâè èç øóíòà, àíàñòîìîçèðîâàííîãî ñ íàòèâíîé àðòåðèåé "êîíåö â áîê" (êàê, ñîáñòâåííî, ïî÷òè âñåãäà è áûâàåò). Òàì ýòîò ãèäðîäèíàìè÷åñêèé óäàð ðàññìàòðèâàëñÿ êàê ïðè÷èíà ôîðìèðîâàíèÿ ñòåíîçà ÷óòü ïðîêñèìàëüíåå àíàñòîìîçà.

Âåðíóñü äîìîé - ïîèùó â çàâàëàõ. Åñëè íàéäó - âûëîæó.

Èç èñêëþ÷èòåëüíî ñîáñòâåííûõ ðàçìûøëåíèé - ðàáîòàþùèé øóíò ïðèâîäèò ê óâåëè÷åíèþ äàâëåíèÿ äèñòàëüíåå ñòåíîçà, ò.å. ñíèæàåòñÿ òðàíññòåíîòè÷åñêèé ãðàäèåíò äàâëåíèÿ. Ýòî ïðèâîäèò ê ñíèæåíèþ êàê îáúåìíîé, òàê è ëèíåéíîé ñêîðîñòè êðîâîòîêà ÷åðåç ñòåíîçèðîâàííûé ñåãìåíò, ÷òî, â ñâîþ î÷åðåäü, ìîæåò ÿâëÿòüñÿ ïðè÷èíîé òðîìáîîáðàçîâàíèÿ â ñòåíîçèðîâàííîì ñåãìåíòå (îäèí èç ïóíêòîâ òðèàäû Âèðõîâà).

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Êîììåíòàðèè ê ñîîáùåíèþ:
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Ñòàðûé 30.06.2009, 18:20
KMN KMN âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Çàñëóæåííûé ó÷àñòíèê
 
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KMN ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåKMN ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåKMN ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåKMN ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåKMN ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåKMN ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåKMN ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåKMN ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåKMN ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåKMN ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
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Ñîîáùåíèå îò Maltsev Ïîñìîòðåòü ñîîáùåíèå
Ýòî ïðèâîäèò ê ñíèæåíèþ êàê îáúåìíîé, òàê è ëèíåéíîé ñêîðîñòè êðîâîòîêà ÷åðåç ñòåíîçèðîâàííûé ñåãìåíò, ÷òî, â ñâîþ î÷åðåäü, ìîæåò ÿâëÿòüñÿ ïðè÷èíîé òðîìáîîáðàçîâàíèÿ â ñòåíîçèðîâàííîì ñåãìåíòå (îäèí èç ïóíêòîâ òðèàäû Âèðõîâà).
Âðîäå áû, ÷åì âûøå ñêîðîñòü â àðòåðèè, òåì áîëüøå âåðîÿòíîñòü ïîâðåæäåíèÿ ñòåíêè ñîñóäà è ñîîòâåòñòâåííî òðîìáîçà...
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