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Ëå÷åíèå ñàëüìîíåëëåçà
Ëåâîìèöåòèí íå áûëî íåîáõîäèìîñòè ïðèíèìàòü, è ,âîîáùå, îí íå ðàçðåøåí â äåòñêîé ïðàêòèêå ,çà èñêëþ÷åíèåì ìåíèíãîêîêêîâîé èíôåêöèè è èåðñèíèîçà.
Åñëè ó âàñ áûëè ïðèçíàêè êèøå÷íîé èíôåêöèè ( ðâîòû, æèäêèé ñòóë ñî ñëèçüþ è ëèõîðàäêà), òî àíòèáèîòèê èëè ïðîòèâîìèêðîáíîå ñðåäñòâî íóæíî èñïîëüçîâàòü. Åñëè ñàëüìîíåëëà áûëà îáíàðóæåíà ïðè îáñëåäîâàíèè êàëà íà êèø. ãðóïïó äëÿ îôîðìëåíèÿ â äåò.ñàä, òî ìîæíî ïðèíèìàòü ñàëüìîíåëëåçíûé áàêòåðèîôàã. |
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Áèñåïòîë íå ÿâëÿåòñÿ àíòèáèîòèêîì, ýòî ñóëüôàíèëàìèäíîå ñðåäñòâî.
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Ñàëüìîíåëëåç äîñòàòî÷íî ñåðüåçíîå çàáîëåâàíèå ñ âîçìîæíîé ãåíåðàëèçàöèåé è òÿæåëûìè ïîñëåäñòâèÿìè. Íåëîòîðûå âèäû ñàëüìîíåëëû âûçûâàþò ïàðàòèô è áðþøíîé òèô.
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Öèòàòà:
Àíòèáèîòèê ïîêàçàí òîëüêî ó äåòåé äî 3 ìåñÿöåâ, èëè ó äåòåé äî ãîäà ñ òåìïåðàòóðîé îò 39 è âûøå, è òàêæå ó ëþäåé ñ ãåìîãëîáèíîïàòèÿìè, è ÂÈ× èíôåêöèåé è ïîëó÷àþùèõ èììóíîñóïðåññèâíóþ òåðàïèþ. Òàêæå ïðè áîëåçíè ñ áàêòåðèåìèåé è âíåêèøå÷íûìè ïðîÿâëÿåíèÿìè, S. Typhi òàêæå òðåáóåò íàçíà÷åíèÿ àíòèáèîòèêà, íî ïî-ìîåìó ó ðåáåíêà âñå ýòîãî íåò. Öèòàòà:
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 íàøåé êëèíèêå ïðèíÿòî ëå÷èòü íåñêîëüêî ïî-äðóãîìó ñèþ õâîðü. Âû ïðàâû, ñ ïîìîùüþ èíôóçèîííîé òåðàïèè ìû ïðîâîäèì äåçèíòîêñèêàöèþ è ðåãèäðàòàöèþ ñ âîññòàíîâëåíèåì îáìåííûõ íàðóøåíèé, íî äëÿ äåêîíòàìèíàöèè ñàëüìîíåëëû ìû èñïîëüçóåì àíòèáèîòèê, ïðàêòè÷åñêè, â ëþáîì âîçðàñòå.
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Öèòàòà:
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Åñëè ÿ Âàñ ïðàâèëüíî ïîíÿëà, òî Âû ïðåäëîæèëè òîëüêî èíôóçèîííóþ òåðàïèþ, êîòîðàÿ, åñëè ÿ íå îøèáàþñü, ÿâëÿåòñÿ ïàòîãåíåòè÷åñêîé è ñèìïòîìàòè÷åñêîé, à êóäà æå ýòèîòðîïíàÿ òåðàïèÿ äåëàñü? Èëè ýòî óæå íå ïðàâèëüíî?
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Äîêòîð, íà ñëó÷àé, åñëè Âàì åùå íå äàâàëè ýòó ññûëêó, ïðî÷òèòå, ïîæàëóéñòà ïåðåä ñëåäóþùèìè êîíñóëüòàöèÿìè http://forums.rusmedserv.com/showthread.php?t=29458
Îíà îòâåòèò íà âîïðîñ, ïî÷åìó ôîðìàò "â íàøåé êëèíèêå" íà ÐÌÑ íåïðèåìëåì. Ïðî÷òåíèå òîé æå ññûëêè àâòîðîì òîïèêà ïîëåçíî è ïîìîæåò åìó ïîíÿòü, ÷òî àðãóìåíòû íàøåãî ãîñòÿ ïîêà êðàéíå íåóáåäèòåëüíû.
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Ñ óâàæåíèåì, Âàëåðèé Âàëåðüåâè÷ Ñàìîéëåíêî |
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Ïðîøó ïðîùåíèÿ, ïðèìó ê ñâåäåíèþ...
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Òåìà âûäåëåíà îòñþäà - http://forums.rusmedserv.com/showthread.php?t=66484
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Öèòàòà:
"TREATMENT (Salmonella Infections): Antimicrobial therapy usually is not indicated for patients with either asymptomatic infection or uncomplicated (noninvasive) gastroenteritis caused by nontyphoidal Salmonella species, because therapy does not shorten the duration of disease and can prolong the duration of fecal excretion. Although of unproven benefit, antimicrobial therapy is recommended for gastroenteritis caused by Salmonella species in people at increased risk of invasive disease, including infants younger than 3 months of age and people with chronic gastrointestinal tract disease, malignant neoplasms, hemoglobinopathies, HIV infection, or other immunosuppressive illnesses or therapies." (Red Book, 27-th edition, 2006, p. 581) Òàì äàëüøå åùå ÷åòûðå àáçàöà îá îñîáåííîñòÿõ ïðèìåíåíèÿ àíòèìèêðîáíûõ ïðåïàðàòîâ ïðè äàííîé áîëåçíè, íî ïîêà èõ îïóñòèì, îñòàíîâèìñÿ íà ýòîì, ïðîöèòèðîâàííîì è Âàìè â ïåðåâîäå íà ðóññêèé. Ñ àñèìïòîìàòè÷åñêèìè (ïî-íàøåìó - ñóáêëèíè÷åñêèìè) ôîðìàìè ñàëüìîíåëëåçà âñå ÿñíî, àíòèìèêðîáíûå ïðåïàðàòû çäåñü íå ïîêàçàíû. À âîò ñ ìàíèôåñòíûìè ôîðìàìè âñå íå òàê ïðîñòî.  ïðîöèòèðîâàííîì òåêñòå åñòü òîíêîñòü, êîòîðàÿ íå ñðàçó áðîñàåòñÿ â ãëàçà, âîò ýòà - "uncomplicated (noninvasive) gastroenteritis". Êàêîâ æå êðèòåðèé èíâàçèâíîé äèàðåè äëÿ ëå÷àùåãî âðà÷à?  ïðèíöèïå îí îäèí - íàëè÷èå ãåìîêîëèòà. À âîò ãåìîêîëèò-òî (äàæå ãëàçîì âèäèìûé, íå ãîâîðÿ óæ î êîïðîãðàììå) - âåùü ïðè äåòñêîì ñàëüìîíåëëåçå ñîâåðøåííî îáû÷íàÿ, ó áîëüøèíñòâà áîëüíûõ îí èìååòñÿ, åñëè íå ó âñåõ. À â òàêîì ñëó÷àå ïîëó÷àåòñÿ, ÷òî àíòèìèêðîáíàÿ òåðàïèÿ âñå æå ïîêàçàíà. |
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Öèòàòà:
Âîò ïðèìåð "âêëþ÷åíèÿ" ïàöèåíòîâ â ãðóïïó "èíâàçèâíîãî ñàëüìîíåëëåçà": "We defined “invasive” cases as those in which Salmonella had been isolated from normally sterile sites–specifically from blood, CSF, peritoneal fluid, and bone or joint. We did not define isolation of Salmonella from urine or wounds as invasive because we lacked the necessary clinical data to distinguish between invasive infection and colonization or contamination of urine and wounds" ([Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ]) |
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Öèòàòà:
Çàáàâíî, ÷òî èìåííî ýòè òåðìèíû ëåãëè â îñíîâó äåéñòâóþùèõ íûíå íîðìàòèâíûõ äîêóìåíòîâ, êîòîðûìè ìû îáÿçàíû ðóêîâîäñòâîâàòüñÿ. Íó, âîò, íàïðèìåð, îñíîâà îäíèõ èç äåéñòâóþùèõ íûíå ìåòîäè÷åñêèõ ðåêîìåíäàöèé - [Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ] P.S. Íå î÷åíü ïîíÿë, ïðàâäà, ðàâíûé âåñ òàêèõ ïðèçíàêîâ êàê íàëè÷èå âíåêèøå÷íîãî î÷àãà (ãåíåðàëèçîâàííûå ôîðìû,ñàëüìîíåëëåçíûé ñåñïèñ) è ïîëîæèòåëüíàÿ ñåðîëîãèÿ. Ïîëîæèòåëüíàÿ ñåðîëîãèÿ áûâàåò è ïðè ñóáêëèíè÷åñêèõ ôîðìàõ ñàëüìîíåëëåçà è, íà ìîé âçãëÿä, ìàëî õàðàêòåðèçóåò òÿæåñòü ïðîöåññà. Èëè Âû î äðóãîé ñåðîëîãèè? UPD. Åñëè ýòî Âàñ íå î÷åíü çàòðóäíèò, òî õîòåë áû óçíàòü Âàøå ìíåíèå ïî ïîâîäó èñïîëüçîâàíèÿ òåðìèíà "èíâàçèâíàÿ äèàðåÿ" (êàê êðèòåðèÿ äëÿ âûáîðà\îòêàçà îò àíòèáèîòèêîâ) âîò â ýòèõ (íå ñîâñåì óæ "ñëåíãîâûõ" èñòî÷íèêàõ - http://www.rusmedserver.ru/med/haris/77.html [Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ] [Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ] |
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Öèòàòà:
 îòëè÷èå îò ñîâåòñêî-ðîññèéñêîé èíôåêòîëîãèè, ãäå ÷åòêî ðàçäåëåíû òèô è ñàëüìîíåëëåçíûå ãàñòðîýíòåðèòû, âî âñåì ìèðå èñïîëüçóåòñÿ ýòèîëîãè÷åñêàÿ êëàññèôèêàöèÿ - ñàëüìîíåëëåçû (À01+À02). Ïðè òàêîé òî÷êå çðåíèÿ è âûäåëÿþòñÿ "èíâàçèâíûå ñàëüìîíåëëåçû" ñ ãåìîêóëüòóðîé ëèáî êëàññè÷åñêèì Âèäàëåì (èëè äðóãîé "òèôîçíîé" ñåðîëîãèåé ), êîòîðûå, áåçóñëîâíî, òðåáóþò àíòèáàêòåðèàëüíîé òåðàïèè. Îñîáíèêîì ñòîÿò óæå íàçâàííûå ãðóïïû ïàöèåíòîâ, äëÿ êîòîðûõ ðèñê ãåíåðàëèçàöèè ñàëüìîíåëë âûøå, êîèì è ðåêîìåíäóåòñÿ àíòèáèîòèêîòåðàïèÿ. Äëÿ îñòàëüíûõ ïàöèåíòîâ äèàãíîç èíâàçèâíûé ñàëüìîíåëëåç (À02.1) áóäåò ïðàâîìî÷åí òîëüêî ïðè âíåêèøå÷íîì î÷àãå è ñåðîëîãèè, ëèáî äîêóìåíòèðîâàííîé áàêòåðèåìèè (ëèáî âûñåâ èç äðóãîé îáû÷íî ñòåðèëüíîé ñðåäû îðãàíèçìà). "Áîæå âàñ ñîõðàíè, íå ÷èòàéòå äî îáåäà ñîâåòñêèõ ãàçåò..."(Ñ). ×òî êàñàåòñÿ ïåðåâîäà, òî, íà ìîé âçãëÿä, áîëåå òî÷íî ïåðåâåäåí Õàððèñîí ñ ðàçäåëåíèåì âîçáóäèòåëåé "èíôåêöèîííîé äèàðåè" (ãëàâà 45) íà "âîñïàëèòåëüíûå" è "íå âîñïàëèòåëüíûå", à íå èíâàçèâíûå - íå èíâàçèâíûå. |